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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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Supafreak Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:06am

Considering Billy gives away a lot of his money , his overall wealth continues to increase. Is it just good investment or a strategic plan ? A friend of mine who Ive worked on various projects in the past set up a non profit charity that builds schools and wells for clean drinking water in Tanzania . A big effort to try and raise 3 million and it’s still running today . I’ve always been weary of donating to charities as most money doesn’t end up where you think . This was an annual event until covid put a hold on it No grants from Billy though , maybe because Adrian is an antivaxer .https://www.wingsofkilimanjaro.com/. Video is worth watching

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linez Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 1:55pm

Haven't heard that name for a while Udo

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blackers Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:37pm

Yup long time. Was pretty funny, thanks Udo.

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udo Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 4:41pm

Does anyone have a copy of this ? im looking for a Pic that may be in there of a natural footer doing a cutty riding a rounded off or squared off nosed board ..
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/tweed-heads/surfing/rare-surfing-world-m...

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stunet Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:52pm

Just took a squiz at my copy. All pointy noses.

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Cockee Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 7:47pm

I cut the nose off a board a few years back (7.0 down to 6.4) and the thing now turns on a dime, but no pics only memories to back it up.

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udo Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:29pm
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Supafreak Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 9:47am

THE ILLUSION OF EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE: DISTORTED SCIENCE IN THE AGE OF BIG PHARMA https://odysee.com/@Outersite.org:7/TheIllusionOfEvidenceBasedMedicine:a

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blindboy Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:16am

If it is all a fraud how do you explain the incredible advances in cancer treatment and the effectiveness of the covid vaccines? There are concerns that some results are hard to replicate and in all probability some of the drugs may be no better (and possibly worse) than placebo but the big picture is pretty damn good. There are a lot of people out there today who would not be here without evidence based medicine. If it is an illusion it is a bloody good one.

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bonza Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:39am

Agreed BB... I haven't read the book or watched the vid I think the author makes legitimate observations and offers practical solutions.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01911-7

Has there ever been a more important time for the pharmaceutical industry to be going above and beyond to improve their standards and reputation?
The rapid polarisation in society occurring right now is heavy. The drug companies need to act on such claims and be seen to be doing it. One way of doing that is by taking on the authors suggestion e.g.
" The only way to ensure that, they conclude, is to have trials conducted in a public-health system or by an independent institution funded by a tax on the industry. This would work only with government support, which has been lacking."
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"Companies hand over raw trial data only if forced, usually in the course of litigation (which they budget for)."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01911-7

"Second, the remarkable speed of research and innovation achieved during COVID-19 vaccine development is mainly due to intensive government funding support and concerted collaborations across multiple sectors. It’s uncertain whether these special measures herald the arrival of a new model in which governments have better regulation over Big Pharma issues like patent control, advertising, clinical data transparency and spending on lobbying."

https://theconversation.com/big-pharmas-covid-19-reputation-boost-may-no...

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blindboy Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 11:15am

bonza, we know that some trials are manipulated by drug companies and that they can very easily get away with it because of the low level of supervision by government authorities (FDA in the US). Not sure moving the whole system over to the government is the best solution. As consumers I think all we can do is minimise our use of medications as I think over prescription is a much larger problem and it is often not the fault of the doctor but caused by the expectations of patients who believe that there is a presciption (or multiple prescriptions) for every ailment.

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gsco Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 11:29am

@bonza I think the links you provide are really good and the quotes relating to an independent (of governments, industry, academia, etc) oversight, replication and verification body that actually does its own replication of research studies are spot on.

The problem we currently have is, for instance wrt covid vaccines, we are actually listening to and taking into consideration the "research" and "results" from clinical trials and studies by the vaccine manufacturers themselves - there is such a massive conflict of interest here and I don't know how humanity can be so stupid.

I mean, humanity seems to be even relying on vaccine advice and opinion by Bill Gates, as evidenced by all the videos and news articles out there with him recommending with a straight face the Pfizer vaccine as the most effective and that the best way out of covid is to get the whole world vaccinated with it. Yet the vested interest here is just mind boggling. How did things come to this?

@BB how to we explain, or more accurately justify or rationalise, the success of science? Only by if you're prepared to accept that the scientific process and scientific discovery as a "shotgun" or "needle-in-the-haystack" approach (there's probably a better analogy):

Out of all the absolutely massive, monumental volume of "scientific research" out there, only a very tiny, minuscule handful of it makes its way into the "public domain" of our everyday lives. The rest ends up on the academic scrapheap.

If you're prepared to accept all the:
- research fabrication and misconduct,
- inability to replicate research either by data not being provided, research trial and experimental design and methodology not being properly detailed, or replication studies getting totally different results,
- difficulty in assessing the appropriateness of design and methodology, even for experts,
- sheer number of cases of very questionable design and methodology
- data snooping (which used to be called data mining but the term is used differently nowadays)
- private interests and agendas,
- poor and pointless research that has no impact,
- etc
as simply just "part of the scientific process", and the benefit of the outcomes of science that do make it into the public domain as outweighing all of these points, then all good that's just a personal judgement

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Supafreak Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 11:31am

@blindboy , what’s needed is more transparency from pig pharma and governments. The Pfizer contracts with governments are secret ( apparently ) and now through FOI the FDA is slowly releasing the Pfizer trials for its covid vaccine at 500 pages a month. With over 300,000 pages it’s estimated to take 55 years. To me without transparency, all it does is increase mistrust in both pig pharma and governments. I don’t for a moment think everything is fraudulent but there have been plenty of cases where this has happened over the last 20 - 30 years. Something needs to change .

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sypkan Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 11:33am

"" The only way to ensure that, they conclude, is to have trials conducted in a public-health system or by an independent institution funded by a tax on the industry. This would work only with government support, which has been lacking.""

identifying and dismantling the shortcomings of neoliberalism... now we are talking!

but, sadly, 'the resistance' is strong...

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blindboy Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 11:46am

"If you're prepared to accept all the:
- research fabrication and misconduct,
- inability to replicate research either by data not being provided, research trial and experimental design and methodology not being properly detailed, or replication studies getting totally different results,
- difficulty in assessing the appropriateness of design and methodology, even for experts,
- sheer number of cases of very questionable design and methodology
- data snooping (which used to be called data mining but the term is used differently nowadays)
- private interests and agendas,
- poor and pointless research that has no impact,
- etc
as simply just "part of the scientific process", and the benefit of the outcomes of science that do make it into the public domain as outweighing all of these points, then all good that's just a personal judgement.

gsco, I am not prepared to accept that but as science is conducted by human beings who are just as fallible as those working in any other area, I am not sure what you want me to do about it. It is good to highlight the problems as that causes increased scrutiny at every level of the process, but in the end, if a decision has to be made, the wisest course is to follow the existing evidence. And in the end the public health record, over many decades, demonstrates that it is worth the cost of the consequences. In terms of our personal health, which is all most of us can hope to control, I maintain your best protection is to minimise the use of all pharmaceuticals and do your research before using any.

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bonza Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 12:30pm

"do your own research". that usually ends with someone dressed in a shaman outfit.

its deeply disappointing that given the current state of affairs right now. with society currently a tinderbox. the drug companies are resisting change to improve the integrity of the scientific processes involved in their industry. they have a moral duty to do more to combat the mistrust in society towards vaccine hesitation and government decisions and public health.
yet they haven't.
supa just posted another example with pfizer's stubborn drip feed release of data. Moderna is currently battling US claims for IP rights .. both companies have received huge financial sums from taxpayers.

this shit just feeds into distrust. they need to do more as responsible corporate citizens

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gsco Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 3:01pm

BB I take a slightly different stance of being prepared to accept all the peripheral fluff and “churn factor” (my above points inc human error/fallibility, etc) of the scientific process as being overshadowed by the striking benefits to humanity of genuine, meaningful, important and impactful pure scientific discoveries that improve the lives of everyone.

But the problem as I see it is nowadays the balance is accelerating in the wrong direction and the current trajectory towards complete warfare like tactics of misinformation and propaganda in the medical space in pursuit of profit at the expense of ordinary people needs to be pulled up, by a global independent body.

You said “the wisest choice is to follow the existing evidence.” I think nowadays it’s getting increasingly difficult even for experts and doctors to discern what is genuine hard evidence vs smoke-and-mirrors and profit driven misinformation. Just look at the vaccine vs ivermectin debates and links in the other threads. You can find “evidence based science” to support whatever opinion you so desire.

You also said: “do you own research.” But of course it’s impossible for the average person to understand and decipher medical research and commentary around pharmaceuticals - even doctors are fast losing their ability to keep up.

There’s currently no place to go to get proper advice and opinion, and again as evidence I just cite all the mayhem and differing opinions out there relating to covid vaccines and treatments.

I feel that as an ordinary citizen I’m completely in the dark and unable to make an informed choice about anything relating to health and medicine.

It’s getting to the point of I’d lean more towards shortenism’s and blowin’s medical advice over my local doctor’s since at least they don’t have to keep their medical jobs and can thus call it as they see it.

I don’t feel like I have anywhere trustworthy to turn to - not doctors, governments, the WHO, TGA, academics, health “experts”, medical research.

Everything and everyone seems compromised. I’ve lost all trust.

Edit: I see basically the same thing is being said in other threads..

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gragagan Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 4:22pm
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velocityjohnno Monday, 22 Nov 2021 at 6:33pm

lulz

"A fisherman's unexpected catch forced the closure of two Perth beaches on Saturday.
Swanbourne and North Cottesloe beached were closed after a fisherman caught a large tiger shark before midday."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/wa-news-fisherman-catches-large-tiger-...

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Supafreak Tuesday, 23 Nov 2021 at 6:20am
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Patrick Wednesday, 24 Nov 2021 at 8:40pm

Interview with James Nestor the author of Breath (not the Winton novel for those who came in late).

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udo Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 6:07am

Pelagic Company comments are bit out of line..

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Vic Local Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 6:17am

I was in the Ments in 2004 and a very reliable (person who was involved in the rescue) told me the following tale. A new boat operator (non-indonesian)) invested a seriously large amounts of money on a vessel and on the very first charter the local captain ran it aground on a reef every single skipper knew about. The boat was destroyed and the captain miraculously got another skipper's job a week later.

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goofyfoot Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 6:48am
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Pelagic Company comments are bit out of line..

How fucked is that, just naming the wrong company and no effort to edit their post or apologise even after being called out for it multiple times. Cuntz

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stunet Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 8:07am
goofyfoot wrote:
udo wrote:

Pelagic Company comments are bit out of line..

How fucked is that, just naming the wrong company and no effort to edit their post or apologise even after being called out for it multiple times. Cuntz

It's a telling comment thread, hey? Nothing to do with 'news', just an opportunity to torpedo a competitor.

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goofyfoot Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 10:09am

Absolutely, it’d be a nice relaxed lineup next time these two boats paddle out at the same wave together.

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udo Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 11:40am

Pelagic has now edited / corrected their insta..

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Craig Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 12:49pm
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Patrick Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 8:01pm

Interesting.

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Craig Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 8:36pm

Wow very interesting, especially the second half.

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udo Saturday, 27 Nov 2021 at 10:17am

Report - Wreckage is all cleaned up and with little Damage to the Reef


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I focus Saturday, 27 Nov 2021 at 11:27am

I wonder how much diesel she had on board?

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sypkan Saturday, 27 Nov 2021 at 12:58pm

geez you'd hope all those funds do go to clean up, ...and not cleaning up...

fuck sponsoring those cowboys (and their lifestyle) to get another rig back up

looking at the numbers on gofundme, what they've done, and what stuff costs, they're already there

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 27 Nov 2021 at 1:41pm

Epic boatfail

Always wanted to say that here.

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Supafreak Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:41am

Big Pharma’s Favorite Democrats Saved the Drug Industry Half a Trillion Dollars
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/11/big-pharma-democrats-prescription-dru...

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Blowin Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 2:57pm

Garden colours to herald the impending start of Summer. The koel has arrived from its Northern home ( New Guinea? ) and is busy binge eating palm fruit before regurgitating the gut-enzyme triggered seeds throughout the garden. Baby palms are expensive at Bunnings so it’s like it’s sharting lobsters and pineapples.

I’m not sure the resident red wattlebirds are too stoked about it’s arrival as the Koel is a cuckoo and preys on their nests to lay its eggs for the wattle birds to raise. The baby Koel kicks the competing wattlebird chicks from the nest and it’s incessant demands for food run the adult wattlebirds ragged.

Funny old bird the Koel. Clumsy and lazy. It’s behaviour leads me to think it’s in some kind of narcotic state or maybe pissed. Perhaps the palm fruit in its guts acts like betel nut? It just sits there with its blazing red eyes and doesn’t seem too perturbed when the other birds humbug the shit out of it, nor when I get within a few feet and check it out.

It’s an iconic indicator of the looming Christmas hearing it’s lunatic ascending call at dusk and dawn. Summer is one of my favourite four seasons!

The Covid enforced prolonged duration of time embedded in the one spot is pretty damn cool in a lot of ways. Getting deeper into the area, it’s environment , wildlife, waves , weather patterns and people.

I dig it.


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freeride76 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:08pm

Nice return post.

They came through here a month or more ago.

Few channel billed cuckoos still around, about the only bird that can give the Koel a run for it's money in making a helluva racket.

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Supafreak Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:38pm

Sounds and looks like the break did you good blowin, welcome back , nice photos

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freeride76 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:29pm

Been some pretty epic battles with pythons in the chook sheds lately.

Came out to a kerfuffle and python had a big rat in a death grip.

Which is fine.

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I focus Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:10pm

Same same echoing FR and SF, Blowin great post, epic garden BTW.

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GuySmiley Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:30pm

What others said above good one blowin

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goofyfoot Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 7:49am

Looks like a Balinese garden, nice one

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Craig Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 7:51am

The Koels have been going nuts down here for 2-3 months now. Are they always around and just fire up when looking for a mate?

And yeah that garden is lush.

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Blowin Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 1:18pm

A fella I know just found this washed up on a beach on the mid Nth coast. Anyone got any idea what it might be? I’m hazarding a guess that it’s a wave rider buoy or current buoy. It looks like an expensive bit of kit. Solar panels and heavy for its size. It’s got a few registration numbers on it :

CA14684 SY
SY/ 150910

And
KT-690S
P4134

Any leads would be appreciated.