COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:04pm

I bet he surfs more than you jq, ...probably gets a lot more mores too...

all while fulfilling the role of a carer

he's doing something right

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JQ Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:06pm

What are 'mores'?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:16pm

"You think it's balanced Indo?

I don't."

Im not sure what you mean?...im not suggesting the forums are balanced or not suggesting the views of those posters are balanced, I'm just suggesting these posters and myself even yourself are important in providing some type of balance here, without us it would just be an echo chamber of sorts.

But yeah the forums are not a reflection of the balance in wider society on topics/issues/discussions or even in the surfing community.

If you have ever seen Jim banks FB post and all the other comments under them you will see what i mean, you know the funny thing is a while back (before he JB blocked me) i actually found myself liking Laurie's comments under Jim banks post as they were the only half sensible comments which is funny because here we our views are polar opposites.

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:10pm

more more of everything...

and mores too

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blowfly Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:20pm

The concept of balance has suffered a great deal of abuse in the last decade. It has become an excuse for sane, reasonable views supported by evidence to be "balanced" by unreasonable nonsense vomited up without any respect for reality. In short "balance" is frequently used to justify completely unbalanced views. You might be entitled to your opinions but when they are unsubstaniated bullshit, you have no claim on promoting them in the name of "balance".

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JQ Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:22pm

All that may be true sypkan, neither of us really knows. He can certainly only dream of ever being as awesome as me though.

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:31pm

I'm sure that may be true jq...

I just know not many fifo monkeys get their shit together as much, or as early as blowin did

the 'opportunities' are a trap in themselves...

the guy clearly got out, and is getting about, while there's still a flicker of flame

not many do

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factotum Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:32pm

Sepp, you realise Trump is fulla shit, yeah?

Well, you used to.

Our Trump has certainly sucked you into his vortex.

And again...

Sepp, what is a 'deplorable'? Are you one, or just feel the need to nobly go to bat for them? Regardless of what they think, feel, are informed by?

And what is my "ridiculous, earnestly stubborn, yet disintergrating before our very eyes world view"?

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:48pm

I know he's full of shit

still...

but I also know you are full of shit

yet he is 'winning'

I know we're not really winning, but he is most certainly winning, and therein lays your problem...

your challenge is you're yet to accept it

still...

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factotum Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:43pm

Blowfly, of course that is spot on. Sad state of affairs that it needs to be said again, and again, and again.

Jeezus, remember when Brian Cox was on QANDA and had to 'debate' Malcolm Roberts on the existence of climate change, let alone what can be done about it.

Fuck me, what a waste of precious time.

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factotum Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:47pm

What about our very own Swellnet Trumpy again?

And again, 3rd times a charm...

Sepp, what is a 'deplorable'? Are you one, or just feel the need to nobly go to bat for them? Regardless of what they think, feel, are informed by?

And what is my "ridiculous, earnestly stubborn, yet disintergrating before our very eyes world view"?

Take a deep breath...

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:50pm

you don't deserve those answers

you give nothing

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:51pm

but you get it

I think... hope...

maybe not

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JQ Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 5:55pm

You should know better than asking 'tricky' questions facto. Can you imagine the fallout if some genuine self-reflection was undertaken?

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 6:04pm

no offence jq, but you're pretty new round here

facto (and his various personalities) is / are notorious round here for not answering questions and for giving nothing of the self

he's pretty bad at self reflection too...

so you are way off the mark there mate

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Sep 2020 at 6:27am

if he was honest or being even remotely genuine, we've actually already been through all this a number of times

facto is just fishing for another belittlement opportunity

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 6:10pm

"facto (and his various personalities) is / are notorious round here for not answering questions and for giving nothing of the self

he's pretty bad at self reflection too..."

"facto is just fishing for another belittlement opportunity"

100%

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factotum Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 6:28pm

Still not reading and taking your own whiny advice, Info?

Love that signature too, by the way, snowflake.

When's MB get a guernsey?

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factotum Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 6:46pm

And Sepp, why would anyone in their right mind, rely on you for any insight into what's what on here? You don't even know what you post yourself daily, sometimes not even what you blurt out in the same post, let alone what's my "ridiculous, earnestly stubborn, yet disintergrating before our very eyes world view" according to you??

So, no answer, as usual. We get it.

You're a self-defined 'deplorable' whatever the fuck that entails.

Just keep pumping out your meaningless buzzwords and other slurry, without question then!

Kool.

And you wonder why nobody but Info and Aussie Trumpy/Blowhard/Sweetie (maybe not even them?) takes your shallow speed-slop even remotely seriously?!

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Sep 2020 at 6:27am

if I'm so full of shit, then why are you guys so perpetually triggered?

permanently

surely if I speak so much bullshit you've got nothing to worry about, you can ignore me, and you can just continue bouncing off your hyper partisan echo chamber

but you don't

because Im not

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sypkan Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 9:49pm

as to the rest, look it up hilary

you get it, ...surely by now, ....surely? ...but probably not,

you and facto are both clearly terrible at self reflection...

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truebluebasher Thursday, 17 Sep 2020 at 10:10pm

Official Australian + States + Demographics Covid-19 (Detailed Data sets )

Communicable Diseases Intelligence
National Incident Room Surveillance Team

COVID-19 Australia Epidemiology (Fortnightly) Reports
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/novel_co...

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 22 Sep 2020 at 6:44pm

Just a bump, was reading this morning of increased 2nd wave outbreaks in Europe and large 1st waves continuing in the developing world. From memory
UK 4000+ infections a day recently, they are sounding out another lockdown
France 7 day average up at 10,000 a day!
India - high 80,000s to 90,000s per day
Indo hospital system under pressure

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Vic Local Tuesday, 22 Sep 2020 at 8:52pm

France, India, and the UK are basket cases and the third wave is starting in the USA.
I'm tipping the USA is going to be smashed in the third wave, which is spreading quickly in universities and at events like the Sturgis motorbike festival.
Trump's rallies all of the country, with fucking muppets who think Covid 19 is a hoax, is just bat shit crazy.
Deluded anti-science muppets, a crackpot leader who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, an approaching winter, and an election that's going to end in violence. What a fucking mess.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 7:40am

So hard to know what to believe with all this Covid stuff.

For example on the ABC radio i hear so many conflicting so called expert views, I've heard so much positive stuff on vaccines that look to be effective experts real positive talking it all up with optimism.

Then yesterday i heard another so called expert still saying its unlikely we will ever get an effective vaccine as its a coronavirus.

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san Guine Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 8:33am

ID you are 100% correct, it is hard (nay on impossible) to disseminate all the information, misinformation and conflicting "expert" opinion around COVID vaccines.

The best strategy is to minimise you and your families risk of getting it (unless we do get a safe, effective vaccine...the big if!). Social distancing, hand washing and for us in Vic, face masks.

A colleague of mine got it in March, she is a reasonably fit and healthy 45 year old with nil pre-existing co-morbidities, secondary to transporting a positive inpatient. She required no hospitalisation, but still has quite debilitating symptoms 6 months later (unprovoked/paroxysmal tachycardia and SOB). She can only do limited managerial duties (no clinical shifts) and will be on Workcover for another 6 months. She is OK with me mentioning her case, for those concerned with privacy and confidentiality.

You don't want this virus.

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stunet Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 9:12am

Reckon the fact is that no-one, not scientists, citizens, or policymakers, have the luxury of time, which would usually be spent working theories back and forth in scientific journals away from public examination, so Joe Public has become an unwitting passenger in science-on-the-run.

I think it's good the public sees how science works, how theories are settled, but unfortunately the case studies are real life, our lives, and it's puzzling and disruptive.

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shoredump Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 9:17am

You don’t want this virus

*because of the unlikely but possible chance that you could react to it like above

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san Guine Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 9:32am

Shoredump, the more pertinent questions are, are you prepared to take that risk, and potentially affect those around you? and why is it unlikely?

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san Guine Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 9:56am

Stu,
You are right it is "science on the run", in 5 years time there will 100000 Phd's produced from this pandemic and we will have a pretty good understanding of it. But in the meantime we are all part of a giant, disruptive and poorly understood scientific experiment with no clear end point (at this stage).

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stunet Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 10:11am

Just to get out ahead of the curve...

I predict those "100,000 PhD's" will somehow be twisted into a new chapter of the plandemic narrative. Something about hackacdemics milking the teat for funds when the answers are already on Facebook.

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Stok Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 10:11am

Yep Science on the run....except we have the media, as well as social media, incorrectly (and relentlessly) filling in the gaps with opinions on a daily basis.

The science for this will take years, but the public is being fed these opinions daily.

What could go wrong!?

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shoredump Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 11:54am

I don’t want it but yes I do take the risk of still going out the door just to surf or grab an icecream, all reasonable measures taken of course.

I know someone who hasn’t swam in the ocean for 20 years due to the risk of shark attack.

Unlikely? That’s the stats.
Approximately 70,000 Australians infected just before Victoria’s 2nd wave, and no way was there 35,000 serious outcomes, in fact the majority didn’t know they had it, that’s why that number only came about through antibody studies.

100% you can be unlucky to catch it then unlucky once again to fall seriously ill from it

One of the biggest killers in Australia remains suicide, and the fear of covid has exacerbated it unfortunately.
This is the reason I attempt to keep the chat closely aligned to reality.

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synchrodogcal Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 12:22pm

everything in life is russian roulette to some extent, but the thing with being blase about this virus is that you're not just pointing the gun at your own head

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Vic Local Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 12:28pm

I see Trumpy is still on the "Plan for the best, hope the worst doesn't happen" option. Don't bother trying to push the US / British / Swedish pandemic response option here folks. I'm in no mode for that special brand of stupid.

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san Guine Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 12:34pm

Hi Shoredump,
I'm glad you're taking reasonable measures to minimise your risk, I'm not advocating total isolation but using a false comparison "someone who hasn't swum in the sea for 20 years" is not particularly useful.
I agree that mental health issues being exacerbated by the pandemic/fear of the virus is a huge problem, the fall-out from that will a long term and on-going problems for families, loved ones and our health system. This will be one of many "hidden" or poorly reported 'costs' of the pandemic.
The problem with this pandemic is that really we know incredibly little about novel corona viruses and from previous outbreaks (I use the term advisedly) of SARS etc. have shown how poorly equipped we are to combat its' spread and to even produce some form of vaccine.
What I fear is that we have very little understanding of the longer term impacts on peoples health and with that in mind I think it is totally reasonable to want to ameliorate any potential exposure.
I hope that clarifies my POV.

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shoredump Wednesday, 23 Sep 2020 at 2:31pm

I agree sG, wasn’t trying to counter you, just adding to what you said earlier

@synchrodogcal
My favourite personality type for 2020 is without a doubt the Covid behaviour nazi climate denier

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truebluebasher Friday, 2 Oct 2020 at 12:39am

Covid -19 " Unmasked " Timeline (Part 1)

Recap to Spanish Flu Shooting
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1269659/coronavirus-outbreak-spanis...

2020 Maskurbation will make you go blind

Jan - China Man found dead on his back in the street with Mask intact?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-latest-china-w...
April - Philippines 63 y/old refuses Police Mask request, pulls knife then Shot Dead.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/philippines-man-refusing-wear-f...
April - US Philadelphia "A dozen Cops drag an unmasked man off a Bus.(Crazy!)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/philly-police-drag-man-from-bus-...
May US Alabama Unmasked man shoots Waffle House Cook over mask request.
https://www.insider.com/man-shoots-waffle-house-cook-over-wearing-face-m...
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June - Mexico Police beat & shoot to death an unmasked 30 y/old bricklayer
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/mexican-arrested-for-not-w...
June US Texas Starbucks barista is punched for refusing service to unmasked man.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/texas-starbucks-barista-attacked-after-...
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July France- 5 Unmasked youths beat Bus Driver to death over mask request.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-french-bus-driver-dies-after-atta...
July US Oakland Maccas chick is beaten for requesting Mask (Becomes the Norm)
https://sf.eater.com/2020/7/6/21314993/oakland-mcdonalds-attack-mask-osh...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/workers-face-verbal-and-physical-assa...
July US California Security Guard shoots dead Unmasked man
https://abc7.com/gardena-fight-mask-facial-covering/6309131/
July Michigan Family of 3 charged for shooting dead Security Guard for non entry.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/coronavirus-three-charged-in-kill... mask/12216884#:~:text=A%20US%20woman%2C%20her%20adult,against%20transmission%20of%20the%20coronavirus.
July US Michigan [WARNING] Real life killing depicts the Front Line violence.

July Ontario Police Shot dead a 73 y/old

July India Police smash 25y/old's head in...for not wearing a Mask.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/guntur-man-dies-af...
July Hot head didn't get his Hong Kong Phooey Mc Happy Mask?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525133/Furious-McDonalds-custo...
July US New York 73 Bus Drivers attacked over Mask requests ... 37 in Brooklyn
https://www.thecity.nyc/2020/7/9/21319469/bus-driver-describes-beating-o...
July US Texas (Mask) Female Bus Driver & bus is smashed up by a lump of 4"x 2"
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article244316857.html
July -US Woman in supermarket hexes death wish on (legal) unmasked kids
https://www.newsweek.com/woman-walmart-says-i-hope-you-all-die-children-...
July US 10 Trader Joe Staff attacked over the month for requesting Mask wearing.
https://ny.eater.com/2020/7/29/21345142/murray-hill-trader-joes-employee...
July Germany Woman Bus Driver was struck several times asking group for Masks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575321/Female-bus-driver-beate...
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Aug US Pennsylvania Man pulls out AK47 & Shoots Cigar Store clerk over mask.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/03/mask-mandatory-pennsylv...
Aug France 4 Unmasked Men bash interfering man with bats in Paris Laundromat
https://apnews.com/article/paris-virus-outbreak-europe-france-fab0d2fe43...
Aug -Oz 5 Melbourne Cops smash car window of Anti Masker Gang Mole.
https://www.news-mail.com.au/news/cops-smash-anti-maskers-car-window/406...
Aug - Oz Melbourne Unmasked Woman Smashes Cop Chick's head into pavement

Aug Oz Melbourne Anti Maskerz Rally foiled
Aug-Whole of Melbourne Police choke & smash a girl & throw her in meat locker.
https://toofab.com/2020/08/11/australian-police-choke-woman-not-wearing-...
Aug OZ 6 Melbourne Cops handcuff & arrest UK unmasked visitor.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8659955/Furious-British-man-las...
Aug -US St Louis Servo is guard beaten over mask request, shoots one attacker.
https://metrostl.com/2020/08/15/guard-shoots-man-after-being-beaten-in-a...
Aug - France deploy Riot Police to enforce Mask Wearing.
https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200817/france-deploying-riot-po...
Aug -Spanish inquisition (No masks Rally)
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53802226
Aug - UK Antilockmaskvaxhoax Rally (tbb: One of Those!)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-anti-lockdow...
Aug - French Underground Mask Resistance.
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/373951/france-anti-face-mask-...
Aug -Germany Rally against Masks
https://theaseanpost.com/article/european-cities-protest-against-masks
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Sept UK Anti Mask Rally gets ugly
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/video-shows-violence-erupt-du...
Sept - Madrid...6 cops wrestle unmasked woman into Cop car...(They needed 60)
https://www.madridmetropolitan.com/woman-single-handedly-battles-police-...
Sept -UK Cops Pepper Spray Unmasked Man on Train + charges for resisting arrest.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-train-refusing-wear-fa...
Sept -US San Diego Bar Tender has nose broken by unmasked patron.
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/i-immediately-knew-my-nose-was-broken-barten...
Sept (Tracking Gun Violence tied to face Masks etc...)
https://www.thetrace.org/2020/05/coronavirus-restrictions-social-distanc...
Sept US Ohio Junior Football Mum is Tasered & Cuffed & Turfed Out
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/28/alecia-kitts-taser-mask...
Sept (Anti Mask Rallies -Global)
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-19-a-look-at-anti-mask-ral...
Sept -Montreal (Anti Mask Rally)
https://globalnews.ca/news/7370131/anti-maskers-montreal-lafontaine-park...

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truebluebasher Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 7:55pm

Trump's Bizarre Drug Cocktail is driving up his & backer's Big Pharm shares.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8800021/Experimental-Regenero...
Gotta wonder what the hell is going on here...is he really taking these drugs?
Each of the Drugs are used as trials in Hospitals but seldom used together.
In fact they're most vague on this point...What happened to that other Guy?

Medico's warn any experimental unregulated Drug Cocktail like this, spells danger...
Not long ago everyone screamed at Pres' for swallowing backpacker tabs.

Now he's ill & swallows buckets of unknown Pills and all pat him on the back!
Just how sick or not is the President & what example does this set...
Do we all now need several doses of rarest drugs just for kicks.(Wealthy only!)
If these drugs merely suppress the virus then Trump will be contagious for longer.

Is it possible he's selling US Big Pharm whilst travelling Ok!
Vicks Vapor rubs wipe out Covid > Butter Menthol shares are up! All too creepy!
Just sounds weird that #1 patient confidentiality is breached & SOLD as a scam?
President had 2 Weet Bix + half teaspoon of crushed aspro...something's not right!

President is exampling that if you have buckets of money you can buy immunity.
Taste Testing VIP Covid cocktails could backfire in a serious way...So be it!

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I focus Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 10:38pm

ID there are two (or more) parts to an effective vaccine.

1. Is to prevent you from contracting the virus (really hard to do but possible)
2. You get the virus but don't go on to develop the full blown disease.
3. You get the virus go on to develop the disease but don't die.
4. You get the virus / disease and die but the over all numbers are similar to the flu.

That's before you get to the bit about having more than one vaccine (which is a likely out come) to improve your chances of survival.

The vaccines will come....when and how we will find out in 10 years time as to their effectiveness.

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I focus Sunday, 4 Oct 2020 at 10:39pm

TB Trumps in real trouble if they are throwing trial drugs at him already.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 10 Oct 2020 at 3:45pm

President of USA : "Immaculate abortion cocktail is a Blessing from God."

Trump bans all abortion tissue drug research apart from his Dr Moreau Lab.
Dr Moreau's shares sky rocket & his aborted test zombies now run the country.
Trump wants untested immaculate abortion miracle cure crawling from every lab.

Religious Leaders & Anti Abortionists label Trump's evil HEK293T as an abortion.
God's flock are now praying for a Presidential Exorcism to cast out the Demons.

[ Breaking Good News brought to you by Divine Intervention & the number 666 ]
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/anti-abortion-groups-dont-mind-trump-...

Anti Abortionists now claim Trump never inhaled any HEK293T.
Religious Leaders-Anti Abortionists wish to be anointed by Baby Trump's formulae.

* Sunday School choir boy : "Is that how they made the little baby Jesus weep?"

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truebluebasher Saturday, 10 Oct 2020 at 7:38pm

Wotz a fitting present for World Mental Health Day
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2020/03/13/postponed-lif...

How about....
A record haul of 360,000 cases of Corona / day
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases

Or maybe ... (8.15m cases of Corona in one session)

Can get a continental Euro upgrade to 100,000 cases a day.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-cases-idUSK...

All choices are about as mental as it gets...can't go wrong!

Happy Mental Health Day World...pretty sure things will turn out for the better.
... is wot a mental person would say!

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Distracted Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 2:28pm

Back in the old days of the Covid pandemic there was talk of housing price collapses and Freeride said something about walking backwards to Sydney if that was the case.

I think he is pretty safe. After the school holiday mayhem on the Mid North Coast Nsw, there must have been a stack of people making enquiries about getting out of Sydney. House rentals are disappearing and properties for sale are going to auction and looks like we’re on our way to a post Covid housing bubble.

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velocityjohnno Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 2:40pm

Yep, regions to boom.

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freeride76 Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 3:19pm

I was on the MNC for the school hols, never seen it so crazy busy. just fcuking nutz.

and yeah, it's a total scab grab for real estate.

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Blowin Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 3:35pm

It’s indeed a wild old ride and there’s a few more surprises in store for us all as far as the housing market goes.

But without mass immigration it’s still toast no matter what band aids they throw on when the government largess of free money runs out .

Where abouts on the MNC if you don’t mind , Freeride ?

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indo-dreaming Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 3:58pm

"ID there are two (or more) parts to an effective vaccine.

1. Is to prevent you from contracting the virus (really hard to do but possible)
2. You get the virus but don't go on to develop the full blown disease.
3. You get the virus go on to develop the disease but don't die.
4. You get the virus / disease and die but the over all numbers are similar to the flu.

That's before you get to the bit about having more than one vaccine (which is a likely out come) to improve your chances of survival.

The vaccines will come....when and how we will find out in 10 years time as to their effectiveness."

That may be true, but just listening to ABC Radio I've heard so much conflicting information from people who are supposably experts.

One person says there will be a vaccine very soon and is super positive.

Next day someone else says a vaccine is unlikely.

One lady the other day even said it's likely the virus will burn itself out?

While others on ABC radio have said that's not going to happen.

Im not talking about callers or presenters, I'm talking about the professionals they have on.

Im just surprised even on ABC radio these professional views are so varied, it just leaves you really not knowing what to believe.

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freeride76 Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 4:35pm

Based just north of Coffs, ranged down to just north of Port.
All points in between.

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tubeshooter Monday, 12 Oct 2020 at 5:09pm

Yep on the Sydney siders buying up land/houses on the MNC , I have noticed the over priced vacant blocks of land that have been sitting idle for years/decades are just about all gone, and only just recently.. All proudly confirmed by Real Estate agents bragging about it in the local rags.
And those last holidays were as hectic as I've ever seen it.