Sunshine Coast to house world's first Webber Wavepool

Stu Nettle
Surfpolitik

The location for Greg Webber's first wavepool has today been revealed. Long suspected as somewhere in the Gold Coast hinterland, the site for Webber's wavepool is at Glenview on the Sunshine Coast.

The site is a 24 ha parcel of land off Steve Irwin Way near the junction with the Bruce Highway. It's located close to other Sunshine Coast tourist attractions. The wavepool will be part of a $90 Million water park also featuring waterslides, canoeing, a 120-room hotel, restaurants, and a holiday village.

The developer is Waterplay Pty Ltd, a company with experience in them park projects such as Sunway Lagoon, Malaysia, and Wadi Adventure Park, United Arab Emirates.

Greg Webber said the Sunshine Coast wavepool has the potential to create two metre waves, and unlike other artificial waves they have no trough and so create a barrel that surfers want to ride.

Quick facts:

  • A 160m x 90m pool is planned that can create 1.60 metre waves, with room to expand to a second 200m x 100m pool that can create 2.0 metre waves.
  • The pool(s) will be looped linear, not circular in shape.
  • The wave rate is 500 waves per hour. However, the larger pool can house a 'v' shaped reef at each end with 500 waves/hour breaking at half the height.
  • The drive system can create different size waves during the same session.
  • The wavepool should be open to the public in 2016.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 1:36pm

"The site is a 24 ha parcel of land off Steve Irwin Way near the junction with the Bruce Highway."
That would put it in the beerwah state forest??????
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Glenview+QLD+4553/@-26.782288,153.0357352,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x6b939b54e4e1379b:0x502a35af3deaa50
What an absolute waste of coal, space, concrete, and time.......
Waiting for climate change advocates to demand it be run on green power..... (sound of crickets......)
How many watts for each wave?

Sheepdog

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wingnut2443 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:43pm

Nah, more details here ...

http://www.news.com.au/national/sunshine-coast-tourism-ready-to-roll-out...

"The land Sunshine Park will be built on at Lot 22 Steve Irwin Way, Glenview."

It's just east of the par 3 golf course ...

Google that address, and you get this:

http://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/property/2009827325/for-sale/qld/...

and, this:

https://www.facebook.com/DanTheMangoMan?fref=nf ...

yes, correct ... check out the address in the about section!

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bigreddog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:15pm

Yo sheep dog is not a really common name you wouldnt be friends with a Yankie called Chris Herrington?

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:20pm

I think his mate is Ralph, or maybe Sam.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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shannon commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:28pm

Gold Zen

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:50pm

Yo big red dog... Nah, don't think so..... Known quite a few chris's..... I do know a munya, a spart, a tammo, a robbo, ferg, rune dog, billy bunta, and a gordon mcgherkin though :) ps ohh.... and a bloke who likes monkeys in japan ^^^^^ lol

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davetherave commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 3:19pm

is this a gee up or what? Why isn't it being built in the Clive Palmer Resort, u could ride a wave then go jump on for a ride on the Titanic 2.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:07pm

Clive could even supply the waves. A well placed bomb or belly-whacker by him in the deep end of the pool oughta do it.

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 3:58pm

This is good news, the Sunny coast needs at least one half decent consistent wave :P

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radiationrules commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:05pm

Jeez "500 waves an hour + 1.6 metre barrels". If I lived near by I would be very excited. I've recently been on a wilderness surf trip and the waves were epic. Due to lack of recent exposure to quality waves, combined with getting older, I was a real fringe dweller but getting more confident with every surf over two weeks. Even finding a bit of form on the very last wave of the trip? I'd LOVE to do a few weeks of training in a wave pool in the lead-up to my next wilderness trip???

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:15pm

Finding form on the last wave of the trip sounds bittersweet.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:15pm

(sound of crickets)............. Blind boy??? Stu???? Anyone??? (more crickets, followed by the sounds of bulldozers lol)

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fitzroy-21 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:33pm

This one has been discussed pretty frequently over the last few years SD.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:41pm

In what way? Re coal fired surfing? Enlighten me, Fitzy....

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fitzroy-21 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:45pm

Yeah methods of power supply, wave heights, wave power, location etc. Greg even was onboard answering alot of questions. There has probably been 2 or 3 different threads on it.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:20pm

Thanks, fitzy, but Webber states kw, not kwh..... So, 90Kw per 1.5 m wave... let's say a wave every 8 seconds..... 450 waves in an hour..... 450 x 90kw = 40500 kw per hour...... Are there any spark heads out there that can tell me how much this costs, how much coal is needed to burn per hour, and what sort of carbon this produces? Blind boy? Stu? ;)
Let me guess..... Screw climate change when it comes to self interest ;)

Sheepdog

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ethereal commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:59pm

Who's to say it's not sourcing renewables Vs coal ???

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 6:11pm

Weber's explanation makes no sense in terms of the basic physics. A kilowatt is a rate of energy use so you cannot really calculate anything from that. His rough calculation equally wouldn't seem to have any validity. This is probably deliberate as these are key features of the design in terms of the actual wave quality. I remain highly skeptical of these pools producing quality waves. Apart from the energy costs there is the question of public liability insurance and the cost of that is surely also going to increase with the size and speed of the wave.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:38pm

I'll throw in my usual question. What is the wave speed? This is the critical factor in creating a wave worth surfing.

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udo commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:39pm

500 waves per hour, not possible.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:10pm

I suspect that figure is for the larger pool with a reef at either end so 250 waves per hour in each direction, but it's all too vague to be certain.

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upnorth commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:40pm

At last waves for the sunny coast. Wont be here to see it but a pretty shrewd choice of location, thousands of frustrated surfers and easy access to the highway, expect it to be rammed. Think it could be in the same location as the planned motocross park at mooloolah sheepdog.

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wingnut2443 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:54pm

upnorth wrote: ... Think it could be in the same location as the planned motocross park at mooloolah sheepdog.

Is that the one the owners of the Big Kart Track are planning?

The wave pool site is further east ...

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*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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upnorth commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:02pm

Fair enough

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:24pm

I'm just glad rocket launchers can't be bought over the counter, upnorth...... Capitalism gone mad...It aint surfing.... It's an abomination.....

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fitzroy-21 commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 6:54am

I hear what you're saying SD, but in my situation, I haven't had a surf for about 8 - 10 weeks and I've got a Ment's trip in about 6 weeks. As much as I've been swimming and paddling to try and keep a bit of fitness up, something like this would fill the gap, as long as it had a bit of size and power of course. And then there is the nights when you have insomnia (provided it's open).

Nothing will replace the pure feeling of paddling out to a new swell in the ocean, nothing......and with you previously living on the SC, surely you understand the itch you get particularly during the dry spells.

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 10:32am

Fitzy, lived on the sunny coast for 2 decades...... During flat spells, I went fishing.... I jumped in the falcon and drove a mere 3 hours to down south of byron on the odd winter weekend and scored nice south swells that didn't get past the gatta......
I mowed the lawn.... I lubed and tuned the wife.... I jammed with me mates..... I bodysurfed 1 foot shoreys...
Even if I still lived on the coast.... You wouldn't catch me dead anywhere near this wave pool....
Just because I'm hanging for a root doesn't mean I'll buy a blow up doll..... It aint real.... If a bodysurf/swim is akin to a wank, I'll take a wank over a blow up doll anyday.....
Pure capitalistic decadence... And I wont be a part of it.... Cheers, bro..... and enjoy riding "sally" ;)

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fitzroy-21 commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 10:51am

There you go, that explains it all, you used to drag a net around the ocean and you drove a ford, enough said !! :) :)

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 3:47pm

Hey hey!! How "carrist" of you! lol Owned a couple of holdens too, fitzy - an Lc torana (my first car), and also a wicked surf chariot - a Hg 186s station wagon..... It ended up turning into a flinstones car thanks to saltwater running down my legs after a surf...... But it just kept going and going till the friendly boys in blue said "hey mate"........ Now a retired bushbasher out on a mate's yandina property..... Still goes.....
As for trawling, yeah, I'll cop that..... But that's why I turned my back on it..... The constant death and killing made me ill.....
Anyway, you sally riders will be easy to pick... Us real surfers will call you "snotters", thanks to your green hair,.... "Yo dude! Got totally chlorinated this morning"....... "Sick, dude!!!" ;)

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fitzroy-21 commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:17pm

hahahahaha, all in good fun SD :)

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:51pm

.....and one more, salt or fresh?

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clif commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:31pm

water 95%

urea 9.3 g/l

chloride 1.87 g/l

sodium 1.17 g/l

potassium 0.750 g/l

creatinine 0.670 g/l

with lesser amounts of other ions and compounds

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simba commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 4:51pm

one wave every 7 secs?

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wingnut2443 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:00pm

... this 'Wavepark Pty Ltd'? Name does not seem familiar from the previous announcement:

http://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2014/02/16/queensland-get-first...

I found this:

http://www.bestjobsau.com/bt-empd-waterplay.htm

and from that, using the name "Arthur Downing", got this:

http://ae.linkedin.com/pub/arthur-downing/13/40/996

So, is the MOU still on foot with David Baird?

Who are the people behind this proposed water park?

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*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 5:25pm

This seems to be the company but as far as I can see they have never attempted anything as complex as this. Maybe the CEO bought a mal over summer!

http://www.waterplay.com/au/

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udo commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:43pm

The costing of this project is way off, 90 million will not build this project, wave pool, 120 room hotel, waterpark, holiday village....closer to 150 mill.

After reading surfing life interview better add another 10 mill for the software engineering.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 6:29pm

Two thousand sixteen. More vapourware.

weren't we supposed to be seeing perfect barrels by now?

what the hell is happening with the slater wavepools?

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Wavester63 commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 8:28pm

Will the pool allow fibreglass boards or are foam type boards used. BYO board? How many people allowed at once? Enter at your own risk like the ocean or if ya cop a board in the head at the park who is liable for medical. You know like a waterside you got to wait until it's clear. I can see people standing on the side watching waves go unridden until the pool is clear.

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simba commented Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 8:38pm

Well IF its a wave every 7 seconds its going to be a quick turn over,dont know what happens if someone falls off.

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davetherave commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 8:01am

Like other industries, the surf industry has made token gestures to become more environmentally sustainable. It is a feel good gesture and like others, we are not able to sacrifice quality of life for environmental custodianship. Like me, you probably have Fibreglass and resin surfboards and other surf accessories that are not as environmentally sustainable as other alternatives.. But SD, I realised they/we are not really serious about this issue when they built the Tugun Desal Plant. In a spot that gets heaps of sun and wind, not one solar panel or small wind turbine was used. So I cannot see a commercial enterprise investing in smart sustainable energy as they view it as a cost, not an investment, like the mad monk and his merry men.
Humanity, heaps of knowledge, very little wisdom-wisdom being applied knowledge.

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pale-rider commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 1:40pm

SD, you maths is way out and the interchanging of kW and kWh not correct. 90kW is a potential measurement not an actual, kind of like your car. the kWh is how much it burned over time.

Looking quickly at the stats, if it peaks at 90kW output, assume the running state is constant (at 7.2 between waves probably not far from true) that means 90khW per hour for say 8 hours.

Your house pulls downs about 2kWh per hour roughly so It about 50 houses worth which is bugger all, the site where this web page is coming from draws down somewhere between 4000-12000 per hour to give you some scale.

Depending on power source rough order of magnitude for carbon 1000kWh = about 1 tonne of carbon.

So to answer you question how much well if they operated 21 days a month at 8 hours a day on average probably about 181440kWH or about 181tonnes you house is about 18, so all in all compared to office blocks, data centres and industrial use facilities it is bugger all and to be honest at 90kW they would be able to cost effectively use solar.

So if it's an energy the thing you are worried about I would spend more time lobbying for the removal of aluminum smelters, they measure not in the megawatt hours but in the gigawatt hours.

http://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP44.pdf

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 3:52pm

I know, pale rider re' maths being out.... Thats why I asked..... And that's why Blind boy pointed out Webber's evasiveness above...... In the article Fitzy supplied (link above), webber states that ONE 1.5m wave will need 90kw. to produce it... What does he mean by that, pale rider????

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clif commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:01pm

1+1 = 3

I think.

Pffft. Maths.

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clif commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:00pm

I appreciate the concern about this wave pool being energy efficient. It is admirable and such an enterprise should be. Being an eco-leader and shining the light on the right path is what is required.

Alas, is it too late? I live in China and haven't seen the sun in a month ... just some hazy orb up there ... somewhere. I not only wait for typhoons to whip up something even remotely rideable along the heavily littered beaches but for the high winds to blow the pollution somewhere else so the sun appears. This pollution is from MASSIVE coal use.

Maybe I can convince someone here to build a Webber Wave Pool under a hazy sun and nestled in the shadows of the industrial plants (there's no shortage of $). What's that about "apocalyptic scenarios"? I remember seeing comics to this effect in surfing magazines over the years. Finally, "the dream" can be realized. Huzzah! Surrender. Embrace your capitalist overlords and the generosity they bestow upon you. It's time to believe in the better future they are giving us!

"Don't try. That's very important: not to try." Charles Bukowski

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:20pm

Yo, cliffy... You choose to live in China... I chose to live on the south coast of tassie..... Yeah, the money is tight... It gets freezing in winter.... But I can see the stars at night... I can watch the spotted quolls in my backyard.... They come right up to you...... I can taste the home grown veges... Might end up on another isolated stretch of coast sometime in the future.... King george whiting and hand feeding magpies beckons....
Come down and smell the roaring 50s and 60's, cliff...... It aint too late....... :)

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clif commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:29pm

Haha true that, Sheepdog. I had to find a job. And you are so right [shudder, Sheepdog being "right" ;)]... I am outta here soon but not Tassie. Indo looks nice ... hehe

Hang on, I wasn't really complaining but painting a picture of paradise. I love the smell of heavy metals in the morning. A coal-fueled wave pool in a world where most of the planet is covered in oceans would only add "value" to that paradise Yewwww

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 5:22pm

But Clif, the dumplings? What about those DUMPLINGS?

Hang in there Clif, September/October- waves-a-plenty.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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clif commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 5:47pm

Yep, got my eye on the next system heading to Japan. Thinking south-east Taiwan, although it will be spinning a long way offshore and may be on too much of a northerly track. I prefer SW Taiwan, actually and have to choose my runs (limited $). Should get waves near you. I may head out to Zhujiajian and Putuoshan instead. Watching a SN WAMs!

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 4:41pm

Thanks pale-rider. Sheepdog the point is that 90kW is the rate energy is being used. My understanding of the technology is that the wave is generated continuously by a bow shaped structure so as that pushes the wave it is using energy at the rate of 90kW. If that continued non-stop for an hour they would have used a total of 90kWh.

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udo commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 5:47pm

Southey do you think Webber is correct with his kilowattage ?

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fitzroy-21 commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 5:52pm

If it is a 90kW motor powering the wave it sounds right?

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 5:55pm

Now when I go to Bribie to visit the folks I can go catch a barra in the pond at Bli Bli and ride an artificial wave at C'dra.

who needs reality.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:36pm

Freeride , didn't you receive the memo ?

Apparently the world is to become one large museum / theme park.

Every " attraction" is to be signposted and provided with handrails, walkways and interpretative signage.
All activities are to be performed in an artificial environment ( at a rate of return that the market will accommodate ) as the actual world has been deemed both too dangerous and too sensitive to justify any further human exposure.

But don't worry ! All activities will be overseen by trained staff to maximise enjoyment and minimise harm.
Photographs of your experience will be available as you exit through the giftshop.
It's going to be super !

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 6:02pm

Cliff - ( in the voice of Homer simpson) - "mmmmm, heavy metals. ghrhghrlrghrhgrrr".... :P

Blind boy - SN: "What sort of energy will it require?"

GW: Well it's about 20kw for a 1 metre wave, 90 for a 1.5m wave, and just over 200 for a 2 metre wave. When the wave size doubles the power needed to make that wave goes up by 11 and a bit...

From article above - "The wave rate is 500 waves per hour. However, the larger pool can house a 'v' shaped reef at each end with 500 waves/hour breaking at half the height.

The drive system can create different size waves during the same session."

Hmmmmm..... BB..... Something doesn't quite add up..... But anyway, let's just say that there are 4 waves per hour just like the webber example here - http://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2014/02/16/queensland-get-first...

We'll do with 1 x 1 m waves and 2 x 1.5m waves, and 1 x 2m wave.... A total of 400kwh...
1kg of coal = 8kwh........ 400kwh/8kwh = 50kg of coal per hour.... Now night surfing will be on the cards, so a 14 hour trading day isn't out of the question ( 7am to 9pm)
50kg x 14 = 700kg per day = 4900kg per week..... 2 weeks off per year for cleaning etc... 50 weeks x 4900 = 245000kg.....

245000 kilos of coal... Two hundred and forty five thousand kilos of coal.... Just for 4 waves... Not including filtration systems... lighting.... ticketing, computers etc etc..

Sheepdog

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pale-rider commented Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 9:58pm

This is again confusing kw with kwh 90kw constant output for 1 hour is 90kwh the fact that webber uses the kw reference means that it is an output measure not kwh measurement

Kw amd kwh are not interchangeable for your math to be correct he would have provided a 450kw as the figure

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Sheepdog commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 11:22am

Cheers, pale rider.... What do you assume would be the amount of coal burnt in a year, given the limited sketchy data given?

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southey commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 12:05am

sorry Udo ... I was typing a detailed response . And my computer battery went flat . ;_(
Either that or it was a sign that I went too indepth and would of drowned you all in figures . ;))

keepin it short , its hard to ascertain if like Fitzy said that he's provided the name plate peak/instantaneous kw rating of the one or multiple motor/s needed to create one wave or pass of the hull .
Lets assume that we are still looking at the similar linear pool / hull designs he initialy discussed in these walls .
I would presume that we are looking at only one motor was used for both hull directions and two waves per pass . Not sure of the details of whether the two waves create two at the deep ends of the Pool where said V shaped artificial reef would create two split peaks or one where the two waves doubled up and produced one . ( this could happen if the ends of the pool were designed correctedly to focus the two waves into a singular wedge .
Anyway . From memory lets say that there is 25 % down time or pause for the resulting waves energy to dissapate at either end of the pool . Then it could be as low as 70kWh , per operational hours .
Of course there would be ancillary loads . Or perhaps his electrical engineering team has quantified all that into the 90 kw figure , be peak / instant or smoothed average over time consumption . Lets not forget that the motors would also most likely ramp up and down , so we are not looking at constant loads .
Lastly don't compare single phase ( housing loads to commercial three phase loads ) .
3 x 1kW single phase loads don't draw the same as 1 x 3kw three phase motor .
I tried to explain this concisely as I could in the lost post , but lets just not go there .
Regardless , its going to be far more efficient than a boat hull providing its own thrust producing waves of half the size . !!!!!
PS . Storms could be categorised in Multitudes of TerraWatt level , but lets not forget that the energy actually passed to the ocean is magnitudes less than whats in the system .
So all that extra Co2 could be seen as a return path to create more instability in the atmosphere , and more of the real waves .... China's pullin its weight in that category ay Clif !
I'll do some digging , and clarify .

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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solarswellnet commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 12:43pm

Build your own Solar farm alongside the project and you will win over the locals. If you want to be proactive on the issue of solar farms and local power please join us. https://www.facebook.com/pages/ROMA-QLD-Baseload-Solar-Plant-110MW/65291...

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southey commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 12:48pm

SPAM .

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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stunet commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 1:22pm

Hmmm...close enough to issues raised earlier in the comments thread to stay.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:39pm

I bet you had the gavel suspended for a few seconds as you came to the ruling on that one.

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stunet commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 5:39pm

Say it in your best James Earl Jones voice for full effect.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 5:54pm

That's how I've always imagined you Stu. Ben is Morgan Freeman dispensing wisdom from a humble yet proud position of fatherly authority.

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marto1986 commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:25pm
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mitchlorkin commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:36pm

If surfing didn't feel somewhat hedonistic already, one visit to this new world atrocity will certainly make sure it does.

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upnorth commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 4:48pm

At a wave every seven seconds they can just use wave power to power the whole thing. Next.

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Sheepdog commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 5:01pm

Aaaaaaaand upnorth fucks a reo', headplants himself into an underwater turbine..... Wavepool closed down....... Next. ;)

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upnorth commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 8:00pm

Haha that made me chuckle sheepdog

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 6:14pm

Fucking hell that ASL "journalism" was about the lamest, most unintentionally hilarious thing ever published on the internets.

Gotta say though, if they ever found a way of harnessing the hype from Greg Webber they could power a million of these donkey pools.

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 8:55am

freeride76 wrote: Fucking hell that ASL "journalism" ...

mmm, yes, feels like one of those 'advertorial' pieces you get from the local APN paper. Wonder if Greg or the developer had to sign up for a 3 or 6 month ad package to get it?

Anyway, looking at some numbers in that info ...

"Say you’ve got 500 waves an hour in the main channel** (which will then create about 10,000 waves per day in the main channel) of one particular design, and that pro surfer gets 10% of the profits – we’re talking two dollars per ride and they’re looking at some serious income (say two dollars applied to 10% of 10,000 waves, that equals about $2000 per day and over $700,000 per year from one pool)."

So, I'm reading that, as the pro surfer who designed the wave gets the $2 ... which is 10%, so that would make each ride cost $20 for joe surfie to pay? $20 per ride feels about right for what it would cost to run this thing ...

Then, we get this in there too:

" ... you’ll have kids riding up to 300 waves per day, practicing any manoeuvre you could want – and these kids will get good, really fast ..."

So, if a ride costs $20, and my calculator skills are up to the task, that's $20 x 300 = $6,000 for little future world title contender to surf his 300 waves for the day. WTF?

Let's say, the $20 is wrong, and it's actually $2 per ride (i.e. I've misread the info above and it's actually $2 for the ride total cost to average joe surfer) ... so, that's still $2 x 300 = $600 for the day of surfing for johnny be a star. ???

Young johnny the ripper is going to need a good sponsor to help pay for each days 'training', and with that, I guess said sponsor will need to charge average joe surfer more for their products. Look out folks, the cost of a new pair of boardies will be $500 soon!

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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udo commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 6:24pm

Hear Hear Stephen.

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Teamclone commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 7:58pm

I cannot wait to give it a thrash! hope it's not going to be another narrowneck

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blindboy commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 8:36pm
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simba commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 8:44pm

Shit Greg could sell oil to the arabs and probably will one day,give the man credit hes a big thinker.In some ways i think this is a great idea and in others sorta scarey that surfing could become a crowded nightmare,from morning of the earth to Greg webbers dream,interesting times.

simba

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Teamclone commented Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 9:33pm

500 waves an hour, book me in for a condo, there's fuck all waves on the sunny anyway

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freeride76 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:35am

Personally, and I know I'm not alone, I find Greg's vision a chilling dystopian version of surfing's future.

The great sell-out. The final capitulation to mass commerce. Where we join clubs, wear wrist bands and ride "pro surfer" waves, lining up with masses all under the glare of fluoro lighting, landscaped surrounds and concrete.
Fake/.
Not only fake and expensive but people are falling over themselves to embrace this.
It's kind of surprising how quickly and easily surfers are willing to sell out their actual lifestyle to a bunch of slick talking hucksters and snake oil salesmen for a few fake waves.

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clif commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:45pm

surprising? hardly? we forward looking surfers have been the the capitalists of "cool" ever since we stole surfing from the Hawai'ians. onward capitalist brethren. ignore these purveyors of doom. the future is so bright you gotta wear shades

psssst ... these ones at are only $550

"Don't try. That's very important: not to try." Charles Bukowski

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Sheepdog commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 10:29pm

freeride76 wrote: Personally, and I know I'm not alone, I find Greg's vision a chilling dystopian version of surfing's future.

The great sell-out. The final capitulation to mass commerce. Where we join clubs, wear wrist bands and ride "pro surfer" waves, lining up with masses all under the glare of fluoro lighting, landscaped surrounds and concrete.
Fake/.
Not only fake and expensive but people are falling over themselves to embrace this.
It's kind of surprising how quickly and easily surfers are willing to sell out their actual lifestyle to a bunch of slick talking hucksters and snake oil salesmen for a few fake waves.

Well said, FR....

Sheepdog

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zenagain commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:52am

Or, if this wavepool can deliver what's promised, maybe surfers are just excited at having the opportunity to ride good waves at any time?

Riding a head-high, barrelling wave is pretty fun no matter where it is- Indo, Iceland or Bli Bli.

I don't think it's the end of the world just yet.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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freeride76 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:58am

hahahah, you might be right Zen.

Now what pro surfing wave will you be choosing and will you be honest in your reporting to the poolside attendant about your ability?

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zenagain commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 8:33am

It'l be all on video Steve, to be picked up at reception as you pass through the gift shop on the way out;)

Next time all I have to do is swipe my wrist-band at the jump off and wait for my 'set'.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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udo commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 8:38am

24 hour live streaming.

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Blowin commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:36am

I'm still waiting for Todd Carney's 24 hour live streaming.

Ive seen a preview of it - looks mouth watering.

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:00am

Oh, and at 10,000 waves per day, 500 per hour (which as you'll note, the esteemed journo's at ASL have made a point to clarify by way of footnote in that article) ... we get some simple maths again:

10,000 divided by 500 = 20 hours

So, this thing is going to run for 20 hours a day?

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:03am

freeride76 wrote: Fucking hell that ASL "journalism" ...

mmm, yes, feels like one of those 'advertorial' pieces you get from the local APN paper. Wonder if Greg or the developer had to sign up for a 3 or 6 month ad package to get it?

Anyway, looking at some numbers in that info ...

"Say you’ve got 500 waves an hour in the main channel** (which will then create about 10,000 waves per day in the main channel) of one particular design, and that pro surfer gets 10% of the profits – we’re talking two dollars per ride and they’re looking at some serious income (say two dollars applied to 10% of 10,000 waves, that equals about $2000 per day and over $700,000 per year from one pool)."

So, I'm reading that, as the pro surfer who designed the wave gets the $2 ... which is 10%, so that would make each ride cost $20 for joe surfie to pay? $20 per ride feels about right for what it would cost to run this thing ...

Then, we get this in there too:

" ... you’ll have kids riding up to 300 waves per day, practicing any manoeuvre you could want – and these kids will get good, really fast ..."

So, if a ride costs $20, and my calculator skills are up to the task, that's $20 x 300 = $6,000 for little future world title contender to surf his 300 waves for the day. WTF?

Let's say, the $20 is wrong, and it's actually $2 per ride (i.e. I've misread the info above and it's actually $2 for the ride total cost to average joe surfer) ... so, that's still $2 x 300 = $600 for the day of surfing for johnny be a star. ???

Young johnny the ripper is going to need a good sponsor to help pay for each days 'training', and with that, I guess said sponsor will need to charge average joe surfer more for their products. Look out folks, the cost of a new pair of boardies will be $500 soon!

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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stunet commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:09am

Looks like all those numbers are out Wingnut. See below from Webber Facebook page:

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:16am

stunet wrote:

Looks like all those numbers are out Wingnut. See below from Webber Facebook page:

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OK, cool, thanks stu ... but:

1. He's confirmed the 20 hours per day operation, and

2. the article / info I've quoted looks like it has been edited / amended? Webber in that facebook comment says 10,000 waves per day, which is what the article has in it now?

I think the cost per ride is still $20, pro gets 10% of that (i.e. $2)

Maybe needs some clarification direct from Greg? Swellnet, anyone? Or, with the 'advertorial package' via ASL is it an exclusivity deal too?

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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alakaboo commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:38am

That isn't the only set of numbers that looks hinky...
Check out a bit more of the information in the Sunshine Coast planning and development website.
http://pdonline.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/MasterView/Modules/ApplicationM...

From Urban Economics’s analysis of the benefits of the proposed development, it has been
projected that Sunshine Park would provide the following:
 A $90 million construction project for the Sunshine Coast;
 Employment during the construction phase of approximately 430 positions;
 Direct and indirect employment benefits for the Sunshine Coast equating to some 520 fulltime
equivalent positions;
 Value-added economic benefit to the Sunshine Coast economy during the construction
phase of approximately $35-40 million;
 Employment of approximately 250 positions during the operational phase;
 Direct and indirect value-added economic benefit of approximately $11.8 million in 2017
due to the operations of Sunshine Park;
 Flow-on employment benefits during the operational phase in the wider community
equating to some 440 full-time equivalent positions;
 Additional visitations, both overnight visits and day-trips, to the Sunshine Coast.

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mcbain commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 11:58am

Ahhhh, economic modelling - playdough for number wonks.

Reminds me of an economist joke - and aren't they a riot...
The first law of economics is that for every economist there is an equal and opposite economist.
The second law of economics - they are both wrong...

Boom Tish....I'll be here all week folks...

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Sheepdog commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 9:44am

"Wrist Band On The Run"

Sheepdog

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southey commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 11:37am

righto enough of all this Maths ..... fast forward to his new patent .... I'm getting impatient .... did no-one else read that part of the interview ????

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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udo commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 11:59am

K.S. did and is at the patent office right now.

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blindboy commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:08pm

$20 a wave? 10,000 waves day? In your dreams! If the viability of the project hinges on hordes of surfers paying $20 a wave day and night then it is likely to fail and end up like the one in Miyazaki. Shut down. Permanently.

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clif commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:40pm

cheapskate. with people like you how is surfing ever going to "grow". sheesh. pull it together man.

"Don't try. That's very important: not to try." Charles Bukowski

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blindboy commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 7:45pm

Sorry clif, I will start saving now for my first wave!

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freeride76 commented Friday, 1 Aug 2014 at 10:11pm

Hang on, hold the phone.

Webber is upset at Mimi after one of the most gushing pieces of advertorial ever printed even by ASL standards.

WEbber you made yourself look like the kook. Poor Mimi was only trying to keep your hype machine running. As Hunter S Thompson would have said: One of the greedheads in a generation of swine.

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inzider commented Saturday, 2 Aug 2014 at 7:22am

Wave pool = chump magnet.
Less chumps in ocean is a good thing.
Downside of chump magnet means when actual ocean has nice waves , chumps will be in frenzy. So glad this aint getting built any where near me.

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simba commented Saturday, 2 Aug 2014 at 8:54am

Funny how the true essence of surfing is forgotten when money can be seen to be made out of it.

simba

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mcbain commented Saturday, 2 Aug 2014 at 1:59pm

simba wrote: Funny how the true essence of surfing is forgotten when money can be seen to be made out of it.

Like forecasting websites with forums? ;)

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jonjon de la souza commented Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 5:42pm

The energy required to generate those big wakes may not require as much energy in terms of energy input, if they use a combination of powerful permanent magnets and electromagnets, as if the entire system was a giant washing machine type motor with powerful permanent magnets on the rims, and an electromagnet in the moving ends, or the other way around. Adding a lot of weight on the outer edges of the moving ends would also leverage the force of inertia and allow the machine to run on idle for short period of times without coming to a full stop instantly.
HOwever it's unlikely any of these scenarios will happen since they won't be using a circular structure.. That means the moving ends will move on rails, probably like a train with an electric motor, or worse a chain pulling the moving ends thanks to an electric motor. Lots of energy will be lost in the mechanics. In the future, they could transform the entire wave pool into a thermal solar generator, with the heat tower on the island in the center.. What a better way to promote solar thermal than having a surf pool running for free in the center!!

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fitzroy-21 commented Wednesday, 8 Oct 2014 at 3:13pm

I was told the other day that council have approved the application and given it the go-ahead at Baffle Creek. This is about all I could find.

http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/news/baffle-ck-chosen-as-surf-site/2...

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davetherave commented Thursday, 9 Oct 2014 at 10:21am

jon jon, very clever, when the earthlings discover how to use electromagnetic energy wisely/constructively- they will solve lots of their current problems. like your idea about solar, but if your ides taken to capacity, whole thing could be powered free permanetely by use of your very smart awareness of the true clean green energy source. using saltwater would of course maintaing conductivity.

davetherave

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udo commented Sunday, 17 May 2015 at 12:32pm

Surf lakes a QLD company claim some new wave making technology...3000 waves per hour ......2mtr tubes to gentle beginner waves , story in the QLD Sunday Mail.

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silicun commented Sunday, 17 May 2015 at 6:34pm

"The energy required to generate those big wakes may not require as much energy in terms of energy input", be nice if the world worked like this but as described in the first law of thermodynamics it doesn't. The energy in each of those waves takes as much or more to generate them.

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Sickaz commented Monday, 18 May 2015 at 12:14am

Sure it may be fun and possibly even ok to tune certain surfing skills but IMO riding these waves is not surfing.

Whenever someone asks me to teach them how to surf I tell them no, but I will take them to the beach and they can teach themselves surfing. The hardest part about learning to surf is paddling out.

Then you have to learn to read the ocean, the line up, the weather and on it goes. This is the true skill of surfing and the vast variability is what makes scoring a sick wave or even better a whole Sesh of sick waves such a treasure.

Building a pool to do it all for you.... Really? Is it that appealing?

Have fun queuing up on terra firma waiting for some crap synthetic wave.

I will wait for waves in the ocean where I might at least see some marine life.

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tidak_bagus commented Monday, 1 Jun 2015 at 1:16pm

has anyone heard any updates about this project or any other bits and pieces Greg has going at the moment? keen to see if he can get this thing scaled up and surfable.

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stunet commented Monday, 1 Jun 2015 at 1:24pm

I spoke to the PR company last week. Here's part of their reply.

"The developers are still working on the masterplan at present – including exploring options for all of the components and technology that will be make up the park’s attractions and facilities. All things proceeding to plan, the developers anticipate commencing Stage One construction some time in 2016."

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tidak_bagus commented Monday, 1 Jun 2015 at 2:33pm

Cheers Stu. I have been following greg and his design for about the last 10 years now, there always seems to be a carrot dangling to keep me interested! If you had told me 10 years ago that in a decade there will still be no pool i would have been devistated! i know nothing will compare to being in the ocean but this has me really excited.