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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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stunet Friday, 19 Nov 2021 at 5:36pm

Last twenty or so comments have been deleted.

Should be obvious why to anyone who typed them.

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fitzroy-21 Friday, 19 Nov 2021 at 5:38pm

Full moon Stu.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 19 Nov 2021 at 5:56pm

Scorched Earth Policy?

"Should be obvious why to anyone who typed them."

Name names?

'Cos I don't see any equivalency in those deleted comments whatsoever.

But hey, I do get that it is a whole lot easier...especially late on a Friday afternoon.

Beer o'clock!

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blackers Friday, 19 Nov 2021 at 6:08pm
stunet wrote:

Last twenty or so comments have been deleted.

Should be obvious why to anyone who typed them.

I feel sorry for you Stu, you have to read all of this …..

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 19 Nov 2021 at 6:17pm

Well, it would certainly be embarrassingly cringeworthy.

But then the usual suspect 'special one' will do that to ya.

Again. And again. And again.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 12:58am

The Great Resignation > OECD (38 Countries ) 20m less workers > 14m left for good!
Frontline Burnout > ( No w/e Recoup time ) + others into Remote Work

USA Clock Stopper
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Pandemic lockdown on the eve of Warp Speed, crew may recall tbb stopped the US Clocks.
Back end of the Rollout as society opens up...tbb again stopped the US Clocks
These US Data Clocks travel at high speed > allow up to 1% + Time Slippage on larger Data.
Population' eg: Slower Clocks are averaged over 3 minutes to obtain (Low Number / min).

1. Clock Stop @ 4th April 2020 > 2. Clock Stop @ 19th Nov 2021

Population 3.2 / min > 3.6 / min (note > This Slowest Clock time would depend on US health hours!)
Millionaires 2 / min > 1 / min ( reminder! Avg over 3 mins ) Again re: End of Bell- Wall Street Hours
( Just saying these Low reads can change by time of day or Accounts / busy Birth months! )
Agree that they're more correct than a one minute read ...that's about all!

Total US Debt $4m / min > $1.5m / min (Not as it seems > Plenty of unseen Debt thru Table)
Obamacare $2.4m / min > $225,000 / min ( 2020 > Warp Speed + Gearing up Hospitals )
GDP $1.3m / min > $300,000 / min (2021 Economy is well short of Workers) see Chas (Below)
Trade Deficit $16,000 / min > $270,000 / min
China Deficit $70,000 / min > $60,000 / min
Defence Spend $60,000 / min > $34,000 / min (This could be Mid East Withdrawals)
Imported Oil $20,000 / min > $180,000 / min ( So much for Climate Summit Targets?)
Social Security $1.4m / min > $110,000 ( 2020 Pandemic Payments 2021 Unemployment benefit cuts)
Credit Card Debt $20,000 / min > $224,000 / min + Student Loans (Living off their cards!)
Student Loans $150,000 / min > $190,000 / min ( Huge Interest piling up for now Dud Degrees!)

Friday 19th Nov 2021 ABC Planet America
[40:37] Salute Chas > US Job Data (Massive Changes)
https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2114H041S00
68% Say Economy is getting Worse?
74% Say Good time to find a Quality Job?
Record > Millions Quitting (Highest Rate)
Strike'tober > 68% approval for Unions at all time High? (Highest rate in 50 years)
Jobz Up to 10.4m (vs) 7.5m workers refuse to work (Workers got the Power)
(73% returned to work) 3m retired + 1.3m less Mums + 24% (Mandated / Refuse > Covid work place)
730,000 less Dads + 321,000 less Young Adults in work

Wages > Same Job up 3.5% > Switch up 5.4% (Explains why so many choose home over Covid!)
Leisure / Restaurants up 12.2% > Fast Food up 10% > Transportation up 4.3% (Rest are less)
Here's the weird thing...Most are quitting Restaurants ( Usually lower paid Visa Jobs! )
Most likely these Jobs come with heaps of High pressure abusive Frontline Rule compliance (Shove it!)

NYT : "$2.3 trillion Bonuses / 19 months > Household Accounts 50% higher in July than 2019".
Note 10x Credit Card / Student 25%+ debt / Chas points out that Govt cut Unemployment benefits.
These care packs may have paid the bills but US unemployed are maxing out personal debt / loans.

tbb recalls original 2020 Stop Clock included Trump's big noting of his Facebook Rank...recall that!
Trump #100 / Facebook
Google now Ban [Any Time] -Search for Trump > (Yes! An actual Social Media Ban...on us?)
tbb thought that the computer was bung...nope! Type in anything else is fine!
Google actually ban current searches for "Trump!" facebook rank!" (They ban 'us'... World is gone mad!)
Crew would agree that none actually care that much to bother...tbb's not hunting it down! Sorry!
Now all the crew are thinking Trump is more popular than Joe!
Trump was #1 Loser > Now Censors feed his ego! News can actually verify that he's "still" relevant?

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Supafreak Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 6:54am

Going to be a few on here upset with the verdict. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/jury-in-kyle-rittenhouse-murder-t...

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 7:26am

"Kyle Rittenhouse cleared of all charges in Kenosha shootings"

Totally relieved for the kid, good to see common sense and justice served, it's the only real outcome that could be taken based on the incidents and evidence provided.

Now he needs to sue the media for defamation

"Nicholas Sandmann, Who Sued Media Outlets For Defamation, Encourages Kyle Rittenhouse to Do the Same"
https://www.mediaite.com/news/nicholas-sandmann-who-sued-media-outlets-f...

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 7:29am

No news. We already knew the US was gun crazy. When you read about that case...... be thankful for our gun laws......or are they next on the freedumb agenda?

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Vic Local Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 8:21am

Of course Indodreaming is stoked for his hero kid. Meanwhile sane people look at the situation in the USA in a slightly different way. Sane people express a sense of horror about cops killing people, the follow up riots, and 17 year old kids using military grade weapons in the streets to "solve" the problem.
But hey ID, have a good day and celebrate your "win"

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goofyfoot Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 8:39am

America’s gun laws are horrendous and wrong on so many levels. The fact that he was even able to arm himself with such a high powered weapon and roam the streets it insane…

But, in saying that, if you’re chasing down someone that’s armed with a gun and your intention is to assault them then wtf do you think is going to happen!

There’s no winners in this situation, Kyles life is never going to be the same and for the victims families it’s obviously terrible for them. Just fucked up all round

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Cockee Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 8:48am

Lucky for him that he didn't shoot black guys else there would have been a different verdict for sure.

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freeride76 Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 8:50am

Kyle will be fine.
Likely defamation lawyers lined up outside his door with dollar signs in their eyes.

Otherwise, totally agree GF.

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goofyfoot Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:03am

You reckon he will be fine though fr76, having to live for another 60+ years knowing he’s taken two lives? Dunno maybe he will be. Hard to say

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goofyfoot Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:07am
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Lucky for him that he didn't shoot black guys else there would have been a different verdict for sure.

Also if Kyle was black the odds are he wouldn’t of been acquitted imo

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freeride76 Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:10am
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You reckon he will be fine though fr76, having to live for another 60+ years knowing he’s taken two lives? Dunno maybe he will be. Hard to say

He seems to have no moral qualms, claims to have done nothing wrong etc etc.

The court has decided it was self defence, it looked like self defence, so that will help.

Of course, I'm speculating, but lots of money in a country like the USA, usually helps.

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goofyfoot Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:12am

Yeah true

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 9:27am

Sadly his life will never be normal again, id expect there will also be lots of nutcases that will want some type of revenge.

If i was him and his family if i could, id look at moving overseas.

Hopefully this case marks a turning point though where people will start being brave enough to start standing up to these nutcases groups and start protecting their communities.

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Vic Local Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:06am

"Hopefully this case marks a turning point though where people will start being brave enough to start standing up to these nutcases groups and start protecting their communities."
Kind of like Deep South justice in the 1950s eh ID.
Fuck me ID, People like your "hero" kid are part of the problem, and only the most cooked units would think they are part of the solution.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:24am

Indo the anarchist!

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Vic Local Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:28am
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Indo the anarchist!

I know it's hilarious. Just hand over law and order to the Kyle Rittenhouse types. What could possibly go wrong.
I think it's safe to say that Indo Dreaming has officially gone troppo.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:43am

Nice try

But the goal of people like Kyle is the same as the police, it's to help protect business and community's, against those trying to destroy these things.

The anarchist are those trying to destroy peoples business and communities and attacking police.

Sadly its quite obvious the police/authorities cant protect these communities and business alone or they wouldn't be getting burnt to the ground like the car lot Kyle was trying to protect that still got burnt to the ground causing 250 million dollars damage, damage that apparently isn't covered by insurance (riots)

The irony is if the police cant protect these communities and bring law and order, then the only reason can be lack of police and lack of funding.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 10:56am

Naive

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adam12 Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 11:03am

"But the goal of people like Kyle is the same as the police, it's to help protect business and community's, against those trying to destroy these things".
Is Kyle the Batman?
Holy Vigilante !
Is he the Boy Wonder?
Stay tuned for Indo's next installment. Same Bat time. Same Bat channel....

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Vic Local Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 11:03am

Indo Dreaming. Only a complete idiot would think adding an untrained 17 year old kid carrying assault weapons into those situations is a good thing.
Best get out of the sun mate.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 11:16am

It was completely wrong for me to refer to Indo as an anarchist and a profound insult to all the decent anarchists out there. Indo is actually a vigilante, an advocate for people taking the law into their own hands as in the previous incident in which he advocated kneecapping trespassers.

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AndyM Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 12:37pm

Anarchist?
Nah, look at his fondness for dictatorial power and how he doesn’t mind a bit of forcible suppression of dissent.

Indo’s definitely got fascist tendencies.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 1:51pm

For those determined to view the Rittenhouse case as a triumph, it is important to view it in the wider context of US justice. Rittenhouse was released on $2 million bail. This came from donations to a fund started by his lawyer John Pierce who had previously defended members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers militias.

Before trial his case was taken over Corey Chirafisi and Mark Richards, both highly experienced defence lawyers. They were funded from donations and refused to identify the donors, even to the extent of denying the District Attorney’s request to check their names against the jury pool.

Rittenhouse then had access to expert legal defence of the highest calibre. All defendants are entitled to such representation but very few get it. 95 percent of criminal cases in the US end with guilty pleas and never go to trial. In homicide cases, such as Rittenhouse’s, bail is often denied, or as in his case, set at what would be a prohibitive figure for all but the most affluent.

In more typical cases, the accused is kept in custody and defended by a public prosecutor who typically would be dealing with hundreds of cases and might not even have met the defendant or know anything more than the bare facts of the case, prior to appearing in court. Rittenhouse, for purely political reasons, was given every opportunity to prove his innocence. In the United States it is a right routinely denied to all but the wealthy

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rittenhouse-lawyer-defense-donors-st...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/us/rittenhouse-defense-lawyer-mark-ri...

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/12/02/reimagining-the-public-defen...

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Blowin Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:12pm

I think it’s yourself who is missing the broader picture.

The utterly destructive Kenosha riots were based on a lie perpetrated by the media that an innocent, unarmed black man had been killed by police. The truth was that a criminal- who happened to be black- had attempted to rape and abduct a women and when police responded he tried to attack them with a knife. The police shot and killed him.

The media told a lie in order to promote riotous behaviour in Kenosha as the riotous behaviour was seen as detrimental to the encumbent President, whom the media was attempting to unseat from power.

When the media lies attracted riotous human filth from all over the US , it also attracted a young bloke from the next town over who responded to the destruction of his father’s community by lending any assistance he could. Luckily he came armed because the criminal trash who attended the media promoted riots were hell bent on recreating the destruction, looting and assaults on innocent members of the public.

The young fella with the gun was set upon by three pieces of human filth who had zero respect for humanity, equality or human rights as their criminal convictions attest ( Child rape, theft and burglary, bashing women and elderly) . As with most of the anarchy which occurred throughout the US during the period, the Kenosha riots had little to do with caring for other humans and the scum who traveled vast distances and armed with illicit weapons , proved this by looting, burning and attacking strangers unprovoked.

When three of these pieces of human excrement got shot during their attack on an innocent person, the media and political scum took the opportunity to try and make a political prisoner out of the young person who had been attacked.

Many people donated money towards the legal defence of the innocent young person subjected to the evil political machinations of a corrupt power hungry group.

Thankfully the court case exonerated the young person and hopefully some of those evil clowns responsible for the attempted character assassination will be sued.

The media responsible for the Kenosha riots will never be held responsible. Nor will the evil political actors who are straight out of Game of Thrones with their utter disrespect for the society they are willing to destroy through division in order to achieve power.

The young person who defended himself against that criminal filth who were destroying a community in their role as political pawns may be a complete prick himself for all I know , but at least he is not rotting in gaol because he took action to save himself when attacked by violent vigilante scum who decided to ruin Kenosha because they thought the media had given them an excuse to do so.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:21pm

The point is that politics intervened in the usual function of the US justice system which, on the available evidence, is that if you are poor you will not get any trial but will be forced into a plea bargain. But believe whatever you like....... just be careful what you wish for.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:42pm
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It was completely wrong for me to refer to Indo as an anarchist and a profound insult to all the decent anarchists out there. Indo is actually a vigilante, an advocate for people taking the law into their own hands as in the previous incident in which he advocated kneecapping trespassers.

A decent anarchist that's an oxymoron, but yes vigilante is a much better label, because when authorities don't or cant protect communities, people need to stand up and protect communities.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:49pm
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The point is that politics intervened in the usual function of the US justice system which, on the available evidence, is that if you are poor you will not get any trial but will be forced into a plea bargain. But believe whatever you like....... just be careful what you wish for.

Yeah politics did intervene, as soon as the story broke the media had decided he was guilty even Biden labeled him a white supremest gunman going on a shooting rampage or something similar, luckily the kid got a fair trial and thank god the jury wasn't intimidated into making the wrong decision out of fear of their own safety from extremist.

And yes having money in pretty much any countries legal system gives you a big advantage, not sure how you prevent that from happening.

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 2:58pm

Indo, what did his actions actually lead to?
The caryard he was ‘protecting’ was still burned down and the only two people killed in the riot were the two people he shot. How’s that a positive outcome?

There’s no threats to the jury that I’m aware of, if there were I’m sure you’d have posted them, so where is this coming from? It’s a strawman you’ve invented.

Everyone is due a fair trial, he’s had his day in court and been acquitted. Thats the legal system. Beyond reasonable doubt and all that. That’s one thing, but you’re now doubling down on his actions that led to that point somehow being justified - they’re not.

The local police chief didn’t want people out and about running vigilante patrols. It’s on the record. You know why? Because it actually complicates the situation for those professionals who’s job it is to deal with civil unrest. It results in additional pressure on the police force, not less. Have you even considered that?

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zenagain Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 3:56pm

There's a lot of ifs and buts in this whole sorry saga and whether you agree with the verdict of not, there is one indisputable fact- if those three young men had stayed home instead of joining the baying mob intent on destroying and burning other peoples livelihoods, they would still be above ground.

Two of them anyway.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 4:13pm

And, by the same logic, had a 17 year old boy not taken a lethal weapon to a riot, they would still be alive. And the vast majority of Americans, charged justly or unjustly, with murder in similar circumstances, would not have had the expert legal defence provided to Rittenhouse, would not have been granted affordable bail, and would have been forced into a plea bargain. In short they would have gone straight to jail and stayed there for a long time. He was very fortunate that his case was used by wealthy right-wingers. From here it just looks like one more step down the long road of cultural decline that began......pick a date. It has a long history.

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 4:41pm

Yeah, I’m not excusing the actions of anyone Zen. I don’t agree or disagree with the verdict; it is what it is. My point is that vigilantism has no place in civil society and that in the case of Kenosha I think it only made things worse.

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Blowin Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:05pm
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And, by the same logic, had a 17 year old boy not taken a lethal weapon to a riot, they would still be alive. And the vast majority of Americans, charged justly or unjustly, with murder in similar circumstances, would not have had the expert legal defence provided to Rittenhouse, would not have been granted affordable bail, and would have been forced into a plea bargain. In short they would have gone straight to jail and stayed there for a long time. He was very fortunate that his case was used by wealthy right-wingers. From here it just looks like one more step down the long road of cultural decline that began......pick a date. It has a long history.

If cultural Fake Left hadn’t used him as a political pawn he would never have been charged in the first place. A cursory glance at the available evidence established it as clean cut case of self defence. So you’re correct about the legal system being abused for political purposes.

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And, by the same logic, had a 17 year old boy not taken a lethal weapon to a riot, they would still be alive. And the vast majority of Americans, charged justly or unjustly, with murder in similar circumstances, would not have had the expert legal defence provided to Rittenhouse, would not have been granted affordable bail, and would have been forced into a plea bargain. In short they would have gone straight to jail and stayed there for a long time. He was very fortunate that his case was used by wealthy right-wingers. From here it just looks like one more step down the long road of cultural decline that began......pick a date. It has a long history.

Incorrect. This kid was released on bond immediately after going nuts and shooting kids at a school. Not a hint of self defence.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1044340122/mansfield-arlington-texas-timb...

BTW -Your post I e just quoted sounds an awful lot like you don’t think justice was served in the instance of the clear cut self defence of the 17 year old. Perhaps you only think justice is served when it goes your way. Quite the contradiction in speech to the other thread where you said that Pell was obviously charged correctly because the jury agreed. Now you are suggesting that the jury is wrong and the prosecution is correct.

Justice Blindboy style…..Lol.

BTW….I think Pell deserves the same outcome as the convicted paedophile who tried to kill the 17 year old in Kenosha. Touch kids= forfeit your life.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:27pm
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Indo, what did his actions actually lead to?
The caryard he was ‘protecting’ was still burned down and the only two people killed in the riot were the two people he shot. How’s that a positive outcome?

There’s no threats to the jury that I’m aware of, if there were I’m sure you’d have posted them, so where is this coming from? It’s a strawman you’ve invented.

Everyone is due a fair trial, he’s had his day in court and been acquitted. Thats the legal system. Beyond reasonable doubt and all that. That’s one thing, but you’re now doubling down on his actions that led to that point somehow being justified - they’re not.

The local police chief didn’t want people out and about running vigilante patrols. It’s on the record. You know why? Because it actually complicates the situation for those professionals who’s job it is to deal with civil unrest. It results in additional pressure on the police force, not less. Have you even considered that?

Your missing the point, we need more people like Kyle we need people to stand up to the rioters, there was many more people like Kyle but clearly not enough, if there was enough these business would be protected and rioters combated, these types of people wont stop rioting until they come up against others.

Oh please how naive are you to think that the jury would not be in fear that their identity's would be exposed and life endangered, realistically they will still be at some risk of some looney feeling the outcome is wrong and they are to blame, its a very emotive high profile case, its not a straw man its reality.

Its the same with any high profile case.

There has been a few incidents the recent one only a few days ago where a journalist followed the jury bus trying to get photographs of the jury people, it was so serious that MSNBC News was banned from the court room and incident investigated by police.

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zenagain Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:28pm

The point I was trying to make was that much has been said about Rittenhouse taking an assault rifle to the riot. Of course, to normal people outside of the USA, that's utterly incomprehensible. But what I was trying to say is that if you're going to put yourself in a situation where you're going to smash shit up just for fun or because you've been given some sort of arbitrary green light, then there's a pretty good chance someone is going to take exception to it, irrespective of the politics behind it.

For the record, I think the verdict was wrong as it will send signals that any cowboy out there can take the law into their own hands and can be reasonably assured they'll get away with it. Conversely, I have very little sympathy for the three that were shot other than for the families they left behind. They were violent criminals who happened to pick on the wrong kid and paid the ultimate price for it. They'll be forgotten in a week.

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blindboy Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:40pm

"we need more people like Kyle"

Yep we need more self-righteous 17 year olds who have yet to figure out that their masculinity doesn't depend on the size of their penis substitute, acting as vigilantes in situations they can only make worse by their presence. You just keep sinking in my estimation Indo. You used seem sensible if misguided, now you are heading right out into RWNJ territory. I hope you never find yourself in a situation in which you feel compelled to act with the violence you are so quick to justify and reccommend here.

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:45pm

Indo: you’ve brought something into this that isn’t there. There’s no reported widespread targeting of juries by extremists. If there was, there’s just as much risk to jurors from the ‘right’ in cases like Derek Chauvin’s, but that hasn’t transpired either. It’s not reality, as much as you try and make it so. But even if it were, you’re drawing another long(er) bow to suggest that they’d convict out of fear of recrimination. So, with zero examples of it, and little direct bearing on the case it’s pretty much a walking, talking strawman.

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GuySmiley Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:51pm

Fark coming here to read the same brain farts from the same intellects is more of a downer than listening to early Leonard Cohen songs .... seriously

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:51pm

And to your first point. We absolutely don’t need more naive, impulsive individuals putting themselves in harms way.
‘Rioters combated’ - one of the more ridiculous statements made thus far.
You reckon Kyle had more to do with stopping the riots than the 1500 national guard and who knows how many police deployed in Kenosha? Doesn’t stack up. I said it again - the police chief said publicly that he didn’t want them there. Who are you to demand that we ‘need more people’ to ignore the direction of the local authorities. Do you think it makes their job easier or harder?

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:52pm

I’ve been in a couple of riots and almost riots. You know what makes things worse? Having opposing parties mixed up. You know what makes it even even worse? Dickheads with guns.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 5:57pm
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Indo: you’ve brought something into this that isn’t there. There’s no reported widespread targeting of juries by extremists. If there was, there’s just as much risk to jurors from the ‘right’ in cases like Derek Chauvin’s, but that hasn’t transpired either. It’s not reality, as much as you try and make it so. But even if it were, you’re drawing another long(er) bow to suggest that they’d convict out of fear of recrimination. So, with zero examples of it, and little direct bearing on the case it’s pretty much a walking, talking strawman.

Of FFS you can't be that naive?

It's not even worth discussing you obviously live in a dream world.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 6:01pm
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And to your first point. We absolutely don’t need more naive, impulsive individuals putting themselves in harms way.
‘Rioters combated’ - one of the more ridiculous statements made thus far.
You reckon Kyle had more to do with stopping the riots than the 1500 national guard and who knows how many police deployed in Kenosha? Doesn’t stack up. I said it again - the police chief said publicly that he didn’t want them there. Who are you to demand that we ‘need more people’ to ignore the direction of the local authorities. Do you think it makes their job easier or harder?

Yeah off course police chief is going to say that, its what he is suppose to say.

But police on the ground, actually were recorded giving Kyle and others praise, saying they appreciated them being there.

They were also putting out fires, Kyle was recorded putting out a fire in a skip bin ones of those wankers that got shot was trying to push towards police lines.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 6:23pm
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"we need more people like Kyle"

Yep we need more self-righteous 17 year olds who have yet to figure out that their masculinity doesn't depend on the size of their penis substitute, acting as vigilantes in situations they can only make worse by their presence. You just keep sinking in my estimation Indo. You used seem sensible if misguided, now you are heading right out into RWNJ territory. I hope you never find yourself in a situation in which you feel compelled to act with the violence you are so quick to justify and reccommend here.

Yes people like Kyle= people there protecting their community and standing up to the rioters trying to burn and smash shit up, people saying enough is enough you cant just riot, loot, burn and smash shit up without some residence, enough is enough.

Kyle and co aren't the violent one's the guns are there for protection, if Kyle had gone there without a gun and tried putting out the fires they lit, as he was recorded doing moments before the incident, he would have been beaten to a pulp.

The over masculine macho wankers, are those smashing shit up and setting things on fire and clashing with authorities, and trying to attack people like Kyle

The problem with people like you, is you lack of condemnation of those rioting and even trying to justify it, we saw it all through 2020 that's what's fucked up.

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etarip Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 6:25pm

No Indo. You’re in a dream world. You’ve brought something into this case that isn’t there. You’re saying that there is an undefined threat to the jurors that may have led them to convict Rittenhouse? I’m saying that it doesn’t stack up.

As far as naivety and dream worlds. I’ve told you mate, I’ve spent plenty of time in relatively hairy situations, and plenty of time training impulsive young men to a. not put themselves in a situation where they’re going to make a situation worse and put themselves in harm’s way unnecessarily and b. that when they are in those situations that pointing guns at irrational people often has a counter-productive outcome.

I have no time for the rioters, but I think your world view is dangerous and misguided.

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andy-mac Saturday, 20 Nov 2021 at 6:35pm
GuySmiley wrote:

Fark coming here to read the same brain farts from the same intellects is more of a downer than listening to early Leonard Cohen songs .... seriously

Got to say I like early Leonard Cohen... :)