COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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udo Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:14pm

He He ..

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:26pm

So u watched the video then vic local? Until you do, I consider you without substance. Please watch it in its entirety and get back to me with your thoughts, unless youre...chicken??
Until such a time ill consider all your thoughts on here ill informed. Come on chicky chicken. You can do it.
Or is it the usual diversion tactics to get you off the hook.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:28pm

Of note! Rebel news had absolutely nothing to do with making the video.
It was just shared there because, you know channel 7 and all...

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:30pm

ps. Udo is hehe the swellnet equivalent of 'fight, fight'? Save your popcorn folks, ive posted my share today.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:42pm
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Again, for everybody, if you have any interest in this whole debate....give up half an hour of your night and watch please.
https://www.rebelnews.com/reinfocovid_quebec_press_conference_on_mandato...

Watched it:

What aspects stood out to you?

To me it was a bit of a mix of everything, i didn't find any of it overly radical until maybe the last bit or overly enlightening either, just a variety of different health practitioners with a variety of views, it also doesn't mean their views are correct.

Those in the medical field are no different to anyone else they wont always agree with each other there will always be some with different views or different take on things.

Probably the common theme was against vaccine mandates and freedom of choice.

Otherwise the bit that stands out to me is the vaccination in kids bit, it really does seems silly as they are not at risk, but vaccinating puts them at some degree of risk.

This is the opposite of an older person where the risk of Covid is much greater than the risk from the vaccine, so off course makes sense for an older person to get vaccinated.

The bit after the talk of kids to me started getting a bit questionable, I'm sure if there was medical practitioners in the the room with opposing views they would have said, hey wait a minute and im betting corrected a few things.

End of the day, the vaccines had to happen and happen quickly, they aren't perfect and can have side effect's but its the same with any medication, its like most things in life you weigh up the risk vs reward..

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san Guine Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:44pm
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Nothing to see here. Just another heart injury from the jab
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT3XORGgHgs/

Your man...doesn't look or sound happy. Not discounting his story, but anecdotal evidence is ...anecdotal. There are vaccine reactions no doubt, but this is social media and it doesn't stand scrutiny

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Roker Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:46pm

Nice bit of reporting/analysis of the Ballina rally FR 76. Much better insight into this whole movement from a bit of on the fly reporting on SN than most elsewhere.

No doubt the bloke who told you to eff off quickly saw the error of his ways.

Gotta pull you up on the mushroom bloke though. I can't think of which one - but I swear you've lifted that almost verbatim from one of the Ding Alley pieces.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 8:48pm

Well Indi, firstly the bit that stood out was they had the guts to stand up right now and speak. Which gives each and every word they say twice as much substance as a medical professional who is acting under government constraints and regulations that cant speak!!
Secondly, THE FACT THEYRE ASKING FOR A SCIENTIFIC FORUM/REVIEW ON CURRENT VACCINATION....WITHIN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY!!!! Has nobody actually worked that out yet? There has been no debate. They want a discussion to take place without government constraints to assess the hazards of a first time trial of an MRna vaccine. I dont know, is it just me or is this shit just bloody obvious????

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san Guine Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:03pm
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Another one:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWzcLCGvAfP/

Patient about to be extubated, note the Face Mask left hand side of photo 2.

Not an organised bed (he needs to be more upright prior to extubation to minimise the risk of aspiration), and what's with the tape instead of an "Anchor Fast'- very turn of the century, unless it's a quick in and out for some diagnostic procedure (eg. LP or MRIB). Perhaps a TOE??

Can't spot a CVC, but maybe femoral definitely not S/C or IJ. IJ is a far better option for a CVC on a young patient, far less infection risk and fewer complications.
Art line L) radial?????

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Vic Local Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:06pm
bluediamond wrote:

So u watched the video then vic local? Until you do, I consider you without substance. Please watch it in its entirety and get back to me with your thoughts, unless youre...chicken??
Until such a time ill consider all your thoughts on here ill informed. Come on chicky chicken. You can do it.
Or is it the usual diversion tactics to get you off the hook.

Call me crazy, but I prefer get my covid news from respected news organisations who reference respected medical journals.
You on the other hand go to a far right wing news source with absolutely zero credibility and even less medical expertise. What next, Zero Hedge's shit take on the pandemic? Or have you done that already?

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:13pm

Ah. So you are a chicken then. Duly noted for future reference. Enjoy yiur credible news sources. Doesn't seem to make you angry and bitter at all.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:18pm

im still waiting for you to call the doctors and medical professionals in this video 'cooked.'. Here's your chance VL. One word to properly anchor yourself to your trust in medical and scientific professionals...(psst id really recommend watching the video before you do!)

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:21pm

Udo, couldn't help myself:-P

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Roadkill Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:22pm

“One more thing and i'm out for the day, cos sorry, did take up alot of SN's sacred space today”

8 posts later…

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:24pm

im actually wondering if youre a thoroughbred chicken...wink wink

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:27pm
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“One more thing and i'm out for the day, cos sorry, did take up alot of SN's sacred space today”

8 posts later…

Only because you fellas always seem to reply to my comments when im not there to write back. So what u got master of protests? Been close to any lately? How was the news tonight? You scared of the new variant?? Lock yourself down boy. Hells a comin your way....again. strangely just as world protests were just ramping up.
Tell me roady, do u give yourself a 50/50 chance at the start of each day, or 99
% u selfish bastard!! ;-)

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:29pm

surfers are the worst.
Viva la devolution

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Craig Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:30pm
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burleigh wrote:

Another one:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWzcLCGvAfP/

Patient about to be extubated, note the Face Mask left hand side of photo 2.

Not an organised bed (he needs to be more upright prior to extubation to minimise the risk of aspiration), and what's with the tape instead of an "Anchor Fast'- very turn of the century, unless it's a quick in and out for some diagnostic procedure (eg. LP or MRIB). Perhaps a TOE??

Can't spot a CVC, but maybe femoral definitely not S/C or IJ. IJ is a far better option for a CVC on a young patient, far less infection risk and fewer complications.
Art line L) radial?????

Great work SG!

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Stok Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:30pm

BD - there's a well know tactic which has ripped our fight against climate change to shreds - its called doubt and debate.

Even after multiple trials, interrogation and approval by national heath and disease bodies (all around the world) - there's still people screaming out for further debate and testing? See an issue there? Science is never complete and as with many things you need to act with the best information and intentions you have at hand.

Anyway, public and open debate doesn't suit science. You need time, trialing, studying, assessing etc. to reach credible outcomes.

Any idiot can come in after a study has been competed and ask 'what ifs'?.

It's a known tactic by discredited, outspoken scientists, and its the fucken lowest of the low.

(p.s. I'm with VL on this one, sending a rebel news link is shameful!)

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Vic Local Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:31pm

I'm not watching the video blue diamond because clicking that link helps the biggest pack of scumbags on the planet generate revenue. Rebel News are just a pack of racist grifters who have jumped on the Covid misinformation train because it's good for their bottom line.
Like fuck I'd help dogs like Avi Yemeni and Tommy Robinson generate income. If you can repost the video on another source, or link the doctor's peer reviewed research I would have a look.
Like I said before, I go to credible sources. If these doctors are credible you should be able to find a credible news outlet publishing their video.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:39pm

@stok said You need time, trialing, studying, assessing etc. to reach credible outcomes.'
You do realise what you're saying right?
Drop the Mike.
Nothing more to add.
My work is done.
Thankyou ladies and gentlemen.
Goodnight....
P.s just to reiterate...we're talking about a vaccination trial....
You need time, trialing, studying, assessing etc. to reach credible outcomes.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:41pm

vl ill try to find it. Fair enough on those sentiments. They're valid. Apologies, didn't realise how much that grated on you. Leave it w me. Night chaps!!

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Vic Local Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:51pm
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vl ill try to find it. Fair enough on those sentiments. They're valid. Apologies, didn't realise how much that grated on you. Leave it w me. Night chaps!!

What a joke.
If these doctors featured on Rebel News had credibility it would take a 30 second google search to find a credible news source reporting their story.
BD has buggered off to bed saying he'd try and find it in the morning.
Zero credibility BD, just like the rest of you anti-vax clowns.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 9:57pm

VL this is much bigger than a petty beef between two anonymous online kooks.
I'd recommend everyone watch the video.

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Stok Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:10pm
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@stok said You need time, trialing, studying, assessing etc. to reach credible outcomes.'
You do realise what you're saying right?
Drop the Mike.
Nothing more to add.
My work is done.
Thankyou ladies and gentlemen.
Goodnight....
P.s just to reiterate...we're talking about a vaccination trial....
You need time, trialing, studying, assessing etc. to reach credible outcomes.

Errr...yes?

You mean the phases of trials which all the covid vaccines went through? Which was met with global acceptance by differing parties?

Look, I read you're from WA, insular AF. You do realise most places in the world were desperate for any form of protection as they watched covid tear through. Oh well...I guess what you can't see can't hurt you.

Also, to further my previous point, notice how people like Malcolm Roberts has jumped on the anti mandate/vax train? He was a avid climate change denier, kept banging on about empirical evidence etc. Now he's anti covid effectively. If that's not a red F'ing flag then I don't know what is. The types speaking out against this are merchants of doubt, and experts of rounding up the passed off idiots who are scared and confused.

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Vic Local Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:11pm

Pathetic BD. You know the doctors names. Simply type them into google, hit “news” and if they have any credibility, you’ll see hundreds of mainstream news organisation reporting their story. The fact you can’t spend 30s doing that and keep pushing rebel news says everything about your credibility. Non existent.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:25pm

'Look, I read you're from WA, insular AF.'
I guess thats a matter of perspective stok.Woukd love to see you come to a beach carpark here and say that out loud. Hahaha. Good luck with that one!
Although, plenty of crew here thinking same as you though especiallyin the cities. . Im a minority here for sure per head per capita.
VL you could also, firstly watch the video, secondly reference it yourself. Like you said, not hard!! Imagine how easily you could discredit your nemesis 'rebel' in just a few short clicks. Gooooo!!

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:31pm

Israel has shut all flights.
Re: the new variant, it's been noted as being more infectious and milder - had a conversation with my immunology-undergrad young one as this was all beginning, he did say that as a virus mutates and evolves in the wild it does select for these traits. Of course take this as internet ramblings/anecdotal, anyone with training in the field like to confirm?

Also, Vic is still humming along at 1000 cases per day, and R(Eff) is >1. They opened up too close to the peak of the wave.

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_VIC_2021.html

Vic gov has stopped reporting exposure sites, d'oh.

WA lists Vic as 'extreme' risk, so I won't be getting to see my loved ones in a hurry. SA is the state to watch - newly opened to the East, high vaccination rates - wonder how the cases will progress?

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 10:34pm

sorry to hear u can't get over here VJ.
That sucks mate. Hopefully soon for you.

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Stok Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 11:07pm

I mean it only in the sense of the last 2 years BD. Borders slammed shut, essentially no restrictions, and barely a few hundred cases of covid since it began. Not really a place where people have felt the urgency to defend themselves, nor have health departments had to deal with covid patients. In terms of Covid, WA has been insular, and it's slow response to vax uptake makes perfect sense.

I live in Melbourne, and it's pretty clear why we quickly went to get vaxxed when we could. It's also pretty clear why the protests have a few more thousand people here. Lots of people have lost a lot, and are angry. Easily manipulated, ready to feel like they cam fight back against their oppressors.

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 11:23pm

Yep. Lifes definitely different in the West to Melbourne.
Fair enough Stok.
You make reasonable points and things worth considering.
I guess we both have our own perspectives.
Bummed for you there with the restrictions. I have alot of family and friends in Melbourne feeling the same as you. Got a text from another friend tonight in Melbs writing me off and cutting me out of her life because of my own personal views.
I get it. I'm not deaf. I'm not blind.
But my perspective has been shaped on my own 'critical thinking' from the very start.
Rightly or wrongly, i believe we're right at the edge here. I'm saddened to see humanity willingly giving away their freedoms. Its not about the vaccine. Sadly, no amount of evidence i post here will be accepted. Same arguments on both sides. Good luck either way brother. I wish only good comes your way and for us all.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 11:37pm

Euro Wandemic dream dashboard.
{Key} Vax% + Record > *Cases # Deaths

Mass Vax March > July Wandemic
69.2 UK / 118.2 Gibraltar / 89 *# Isle of Man
Mass Vax May > Oct Wandemic
45.1*# Serbia / 60.2 *# Hungary /25.4 *# Bulgaria / 38.2 *# Romania
Mass Vax May/June > Oct/Nov Wandemic
60.3 Turkey / 47.2 *Croatia / 59.2 *# Estonia
Mass Vax June > Nov Wandemic
59.3*Czech / 42.9 *Slovakia / 72.8 *Finland / 75.5 *Belgium / 68.3 *Germany / 66.2 Switzerland
Mass Vax Jun / July > Nov Wandemic
53.8 *Poland / 73.7 *Netherlands
Mass Vax July > Nov Wandemic
66.3*Austria/ 81.8 Iceland/ 63.3 Greece/ 38.4 *# Russia/ 71.4 *# Norway/ 76.5 *Denmark/ 76.6 Ireland
Mass Vax July > Dec Wandemic
69.1 Sweden / 69.9 France / 72.9 Italy / 80.4 Spain / 87.8 Portugal (See Below for current data!)
MSM praise these Nation's High Vax rates...as to their 'escaping' the Covid Storm...(Fooling nobody!)

Crew can see Mass Vax 4mth Waning runs a WR Covid Timetable...{VIP card Glows on infection date}
As CDC / EU bosses said...Fighting their own Waning Vax is essentially their new priority.

Already 10-20,000 Booster Breakthrus in Israel > infection 'rate' is growing quick!
This Week > EU fast tracked Boosters for all Adults > around Risk priority.
20%+ UK / Hungary / Malta
10%+ Austria / Ireland / Slovenia / Denmark / Belgium / Greece / Cyprus / Lithuania
Spain / Germany / France / Italy / EU / Czechia / Poland / Portugal / Luxembourg (Under 4.7>)....n/a

Crew and world at large point to Kidz as #1 Spreaders.
Also note Vax Families @ 10 weeks, spread higher Covid than Unvaxed (Often cited UK Study)
Youth waning holds Ok to 4 months then nose dives to rock bottom 40% efficacy onward.
Meaning! Mass Vax now > You'd be in for a rude shock come 4 months from now...Kaboom!

School Rules
April 2020 -1% cases > closed EU 44/53 Nations Schools (vs) 2021 > 16% cases close 1 Nation's schools.
eg: (10-14yrs) Germany 2020 Easter 10/day > Xmas 150/day > 2021 Easter 250/day > Now 400/day
School's seldom close > Infections are in Households- incubating Kidz < > Siblings < > Waning Parents
Of Interest was UK unvaxed Parents being least infectious > as a key reverse Covid spreading group.

(key) Kidz Vax % - Masks #18+ / U18# (*Moderna Ban > Myocarditis / MIS-C )
Note Romania / Germany # Masks were not on at return to school but as late outbreak responses
(1)Dose - Norway +Tests + UK /AZ Flu Spray Boost > (Recalls-Asthma?) EU Highest Infectious Group
Kidz Choice = Finland / Netherlands + (School run Rollouts) UK / N Ireland / Poland / Iceland
In short > UK are really mucking up Kidz Vax & have done everything wrong! (Oz will follow for sure!)

86/86 Iceland, 87/84 Portugal, 79/80 Belgium, 83/79 Malta, #71/72# Spain, 65/72 Luxembourg,
#84/71 Ireland, 77/69 *Sweden, #70/68 *Finland, #77/67# *France, #81/63# Italy, 77/61 Cypress,
#49/55 Netherlands, 56/50 Poland, 49/49 Hungary, -/47 Scotland, 63/46 Austria, 64/45 Estonia,
69/43 Latvia, #75/45# *Germany, 64/45 Estonia, 69/43 Latvia, 58/40 Czechia,70/36 Lithuania,
60/29 Greece, -/28 (1) UK, 78/25 *Denmark, 54/25 Slovenia, 80/20 *(1) Norway , #43/14# Romania, 33/6 Croatia, 30/3 Bulgaria ....
Austria School's Out (Early)
25th Nov EU approves 5-11 Pfizer Vax (2x 10mg) x 3 weeks

Lockdowns
(Full) Austria (Partial) Netherlands (Vaxed) Germany / Czechia -Slovakia / Greece
(Tele-Work) Ireland / Belgium (Masks) Portugal / Spain / Hungary / Poland
(Pass) France / Finland / Denmark / Italy / Bulgaria / Romania / Croatia / Slovenia / Switzerland / Estonia / Latvia / Lithuania / Cyprus
(Mixed - Changing) UK / Norway / Sweden...most inclusive or reactionary delays.

Now for a Blast of Cold Dry Air to spike Covid - Current Weather Map 'encapsulates' European Covid.

Just when you think you can pinpoint the cause of Euro Wandemic! Bang! A more Powerful argument?
This story is a year old but is more relevant than recent shortcomings...(Same was the case for Oz!)
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/21/covid19-winter-dry-indoor-air-helps-...

Fast Forward to the here and now & witness a Perfect Covid Storm playing out before our eyes!
Simply look out the window & feel the Covid in yer bones...simple as that!
UK / Italy (Med) / France / Spain / Portugal lie outside the infection zone. (Sweden & Norway borderline)
Some Coincidence huh! That "ALL" current lower (less) Covid rising Nations are sunning in up!
The whole rest of Europe are caught inside a Continental sized Cytokinetic Covid Snow Dome! A wot!
Oh! One of those...durr!
https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/winter-air-masses-uk

Portugal / Spain / France / Italy / Sweden
All are Last to get a blast of ultra infectious Dry Cold Front
All share Highest 68% - 88% Kidz > Youth > Adult Vax
Albeit Spain & Portugal are slow on Boosters
Spain / Portugal also kept masks on Adults + School Kidz
Sounds like they'll escape the Euro shitstorm, but for the Elephant in the room...
Said nations were oddly, slowest to reach Vax Peak so now their Vax is waning & cases are spiking.
All these Nations were branded last week's "Hi-Vax Pinups" Now...One of Us! One of Us! One of Us!
Daily cases France 37,000 > Italy 14,000 > Spain 10,000 > Portugal 3,500 > Sweden 2,100

Quite Clearly these Nations lie outside the Snow Dome > Proving Vax Wane is the Biggest Monster.
Vax Wane went thru every Highest Vax Euro Trash Heap like Gastro...(Vax is our own worst enemy!)
How Bad!
UK now claim The Wane Crown (Since Freedom Day > 4.7m cases / 16,000 deaths)
They reckon they're on easy street with New Normal Brexit > cases soaring to 50,000/day. (Normal?)

World waited for experts to shirtfront the Virus...not concoct a bigger more horrific beast!
Downunder hesitant wrangled this Euro dashboard coz our Experts are asleep at the wheel, again!

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bluediamond Sunday, 28 Nov 2021 at 11:38pm

.'Fighting their own Waning Vax is essentially their new priority.'
Love yer work TBB!!

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:08am

"Israel has shut all flights.
Re: the new variant, it's been noted as being more infectious and milder - had a conversation with my immunology-undergrad young one as this was all beginning, he did say that as a virus mutates and evolves in the wild it does select for these traits. Of course take this as internet ramblings/anecdotal, anyone with training in the field like to confirm?"

no training vj, but heard many a reputable scientist make this point when delta was starting off ie. viruses generally evolve to be more tranmissable and less deadly... of course not always, but a general trait... an evolutionary feature apparently... infect more people, kill less hosts... virus utopia...

most interesting little points like this never seem to make it to the mainstream news... hard to know if it gets buried in the noise... its not shocky enough for your channel 7's and 10's etc... or... well, you know...

supafreaks video guy did a great little breakdown of the delta data when it first started up, and he showed exactly this point happening in countries like israel and peru ...but once again, the mainstream media seemed uninterested, for whatever reason...

that guy is good, I think you'd like his vids, he's big on teasing out the data. I forget what vid it was, but the guy is the prosperity network or something... maybe supafreak can point you in the right direction

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:48am

sorry, this guy again...

but one can assume the saffa chick knows what she's talking about

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeAAa6uF/?fbclid=IwAR2PxD76kiDdDFgq8m8zUqIHiIhJXD...

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eat-your-vegies Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:12am

I hit your link sypkan
Under that item it was all toe of camel and hot arses
Should call it but tok
Not tik tok

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thermalben Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:32am

Interested in how well Australia has handled the pandemic? It's hard to compare countries, but Florida makes an interesting case: similar population as Australia, western culture, but there have been much fewer restrictions, and vaccination rates have been much lower.

Australia population: 26 million
Florida population: 22 million

Australia Covid cases: 207,000
Florida Covid cases: 3.68 million

Australia Covid deaths: 1,990
Florida Covid deaths: 61,150

4 Corners covered this back in August (when the numbers were a little lower), well before the peak of the third wave which has been the most deadly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-19/australia-florida-population-zero...

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:40am
thermalben wrote:

Interested in how well Australia has handled the pandemic? It's hard to compare countries, but Florida makes an interesting case: similar population as Australia, western culture, but there have been much fewer restrictions, and vaccination rates have been much lower.

Australia population: 26 million
Florida population: 22 million

Australia Covid cases: 207,000
Florida Covid cases: 3.68 million

Australia Covid deaths: 1,990
Florida Covid deaths: 61,150

4 Corners covered this back in August (when the numbers were a little lower), well before the peak of the third wave which has been the most deadly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-19/australia-florida-population-zero...

That’s pretty compelling stuff.
I just don’t get how people don’t get this…we could easily have had the same numbers but went with lockdowns and getting people vaxxed. What happened in AUS saved multiple lives.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:09am

Morning BD,
Any "luck" finding that link? Remember last night you put up a link to conspiracy theorist/racist website Rebel News.
I challenged you to put a link to "their doctors" from a credible site. Too much work for you, or the Rebel News video was complete and utter BS. I'm tipping it's the latter and you're happy to believe a video from a conspiracy theory website rather than news grounded in expertise and reality.
Stop spreading anti-vax BS, It has consequences.

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lostdoggy Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:12am

Population density would contribute a bit there too.
I'm not advocating for going about it how Florida has though.

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overthefalls Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:15am

Bitchute, Instagram, Rebel News ….. It’s a race to the bottom of the rabbit hole.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:16am

Charging anti-vaxxers a premium for Medicare is a fabulous idea.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/leading-economist-proposes-me...
They are a burden on the health system and economy. It helps repair the budget. It's easy to implement, and there's consequences for morons.
The only arguments against it would use terms like "medical apartheid" and "FREEDOM" and "DO YOUR OWN RESURCH" and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

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Charging anti-vaxxers a premium for Medicare is a fabulous idea.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/leading-economist-proposes-me...
They are a burden on the health system and economy. It helps repair the budget. It's easy to implement, and there's consequences for morons.
The only arguments against it would use terms like "medical apartheid" and "FREEDOM" and "DO YOUR OWN RESURCH" and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Good idea.
Smokers and drinkers pay extra in tax for their vices. Reckon a sugar/ junk food tax needed also to help pay future health costs.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:38am
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Re: the new variant, it's been noted as being more infectious and milder - had a conversation with my immunology-undergrad young one as this was all beginning, he did say that as a virus mutates and evolves in the wild it does select for these traits. Of course take this as internet ramblings/anecdotal, anyone with training in the field like to confirm?

Does that mean it could almost be a positive, in that it could boost peoples immunity if they get it without risk of serious illness???

Understand early days, but in theory.

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thermalben Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:44am
lostdoggy wrote:

Population density would contribute a bit there too.
I'm not advocating for going about it how Florida has though.

Yeah I agree re: population density. It's hard to find an analogous country.

Point being: Australia is lucky, as it's broadly benefited from the effects of a decent Covid strategy. Florida is (I assume) at the other end of the scale (or, are there even more extreme examples?).

I think it's impossible to navigate a perfect balance (restrictions, vaccinations, travel etc) but a bit of global perspective is in order.

We all remember Ebola, don't we? Oh, that's right - most of us don't - because it didn't come to Australia. That looked terrifying... imagine living in an affected African country at that time? And the largest outbreak was only eight years ago (and it's still ongoing: "in July 2019, the World Health Organization declared the Congo Ebola outbreak a world health emergency").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola

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gsco Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:44am

Interesting comparison Ben. Here's come countries with roughly similar population sizes as Australia:

Taiwan is doing well, and its population size is very close to Australia. They have similar very strict lockdown and border closures, one of the tightest in the world along with China, New Zealand, and Australia. I guess that along with Australia and New Zealand, Taiwan is also an island... I'm in regular communication with some friends in Taiwan.

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etarip Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:55am
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Good idea.
Smokers and drinkers pay extra in tax for their vices. Reckon a sugar/ junk food tax needed also to help pay future health costs.

I’m all for it. It’s a choice. My family don’t really eat junk food at all. Only time it’s a challenge is on road trips, but that’s actually made us get off the highway a few times and find great little local cafes instead of the big McD / HJ etc.

Would be great if there was a means to ensure that the taxes paid for health ‘choices’ stayed in the health system though, not into general revenue. Same as drinking and gambling taxes.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:07am
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Well Indi, firstly the bit that stood out was they had the guts to stand up right now and speak. Which gives each and every word they say twice as much substance as a medical professional who is acting under government constraints and regulations that cant speak!!
Secondly, THE FACT THEYRE ASKING FOR A SCIENTIFIC FORUM/REVIEW ON CURRENT VACCINATION....WITHIN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY!!!! Has nobody actually worked that out yet? There has been no debate. They want a discussion to take place without government constraints to assess the hazards of a first time trial of an MRna vaccine. I dont know, is it just me or is this shit just bloody obvious????

I don't see the point on a forum or review on Covid vaccinations, the vaccines have gone through trials and we have hundreds of millions of people vaccinated, we know that although not perfect the vaccines save a large number of life's while the side effects are minimal and deaths from Covid vaccine very rare.

Yeah sure nobody knows the long term effect of these vaccines just like we dont know the long term effect of Covid, the reality is we didnt have time to put Covid vaccines through years of trials.

MRna research isn't a new thing from memory search goes back 25 years. plus there is also non MRna Covid vaccines for those with concerns on MRna.

Each to their own though people have a choice not to get vaccinated.

BTW. without researching all these peoples backgrounds its hard to know exactly how credible they are, lots of these types of people often have previous controversial views on things.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:12am
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blue diamond, you don't get to post rebel news links here without getting mocked.
Mate, do you really think this mob are interested in providing accurate medical information? They are grifters. Always were always will be.
They will push absolute crap to re-enforce their audiences idiot views. If they published peer-reviewed credible medical research, they'd lose they audience and their cash stream. Just like Infowars, THEY ARE GRIFTERS, NOT JOURNALISTS.
You'd have to have shit for brains not to understand this.

VL's logic.

If its media he agrees with reporting views he agrees with it's journalism and they deserve to be paid for it, even when it/s clearly just lazy click bait reporting like the rallies in Melb last week where everyone was painted as extremist because of the 0.1%

Meanwhile if it's media he doesn't agree with its not Journalism and they dont deserve to earn money they are just grifters.

So narrow minded.

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san Guine Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:12am
etarip wrote:
andy-mac wrote:

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Good idea.
Smokers and drinkers pay extra in tax for their vices. Reckon a sugar/ junk food tax needed also to help pay future health costs.

I’m all for it. It’s a choice. My family don’t really eat junk food at all. Only time it’s a challenge is on road trips, but that’s actually made us get off the highway a few times and find great little local cafes instead of the big McD / HJ etc.

Would be great if there was a means to ensure that the taxes paid for health ‘choices’ stayed in the health system though, not into general revenue. Same as drinking and gambling taxes.

Increased Medicare levy for the unvaxxed?

$5000 a day for an ICU bed, is the going rate.