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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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fitzroy-21 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:19pm
Vic Local wrote:
"Sharia law in every country is the ultimate aim for all muslims as commanded by their prophet."
And yet beer is freely available in Indonesia, the country with the largest number of Muslims in it, and one of their guiding national principles is freedom of religion too.

Whilst beer may be freely available, I know where ever I have been in Sumatra, for example, it is well advised to hide consumption.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:22pm

Yeah have to agree with VL on this one

A large number of muslims don't agree or believe in sharia law, for example of Indonesias 34 provinces only one in Aceh has sharia law, it's more a Shia muslim thing than a Sunni muslim thing, the Shia muslims are the more full on ones.

BTW. that's not to say there isn't lots of muslims in other areas of Indonesia that want Sharia law, there is but they are the minority and not the majority.

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saltyone Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:23pm

Meanwhile..

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/technology/innovation/mi...

Not trying to be all doom . Just looking at bigger picture too.
Army everywhere. People getting used to being confined to their homes . Less travel . Borders closed. I remember middle of last year someone in Melbourne filmed loudspeakers had been installed in the some streets. This was at the same time 5G towers were going up along with street cameras during the first lockdowns.
US out of Afghanistan. Need their troops ?
China more leverage against Taiwan. Will China join with Taliban ?
Australia bending over for the US .
And China’s 99 year lease of the port of Darwin ..
Are we headed for another world war?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100112788

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:26pm

Did a little research and thinking on Shark numbers in NNSW .

In the 70's the Byron Abattoir was busy and sharks were around the out flow . In 6 years of surfing at New Brighton ( 15km north )only had ONE encounter with ( we thought ) a Bronze Whaler . There were very regular occasions when we had to walk through 100 fisherman pulling in Tailor and filling hessian bags . Never ever saw a whale .

Whales are now seen by the 100's in a day . Wonderful .
I have not seen groups of fisherman catching bags of Tailor for many years .

So maybe the huge increase in Great Whites ( GW )is NOT food related .

In 96 NSW protected GW 's . In 99 the Australian Government listed them as vulnerable and in 2002 the Dept of Sustainability , Environment , Water , Population and Communities wrote a recovery plan .

Regularly updated with the last , I think , in 2013 . I read this one .

They listed the threats as being accidentally caught ( Beach meshing and drum lines ) or illegally targeted by fishermen . Also Climate Change ( increasing sea temps , acidification and changes to
ocean currents ).

They said it was essential to mitigate these threats and do lots and lots more research ( of course they did , more work and funding ) .

Fuck me , may be the ONLY Govt Dept to achieve their GOAL ie increase GW numbers .

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Vic Local Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:36pm

I'd say the vast majority of Muslims in Indonesia are very moderate, and on the rare occasions there is sectarian violence in that country, the source is usually political mischief makers using religion to stir up trouble. eg ex-Suharto types trying to regain power by creating havoc.

this looks like an interesting read on the topic.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/09/indonesia-new-book-ethnic-religious-...

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Roker Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 4:43pm
saltyone wrote:

Meanwhile..

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/technology/innovation/mi...

Not trying to be all doom . Just looking at bigger picture too.
Army everywhere. People getting used to being confined to their homes . Less travel . Borders closed. I remember middle of last year someone in Melbourne filmed loudspeakers had been installed in the some streets. This was at the same time 5G towers were going up along with street cameras during the first lockdowns.
US out of Afghanistan. Need their troops ?
China more leverage against Taiwan. Will China join with Taliban ?
Australia bending over for the US .
And China’s 99 year lease of the port of Darwin ..
Are we headed for another world war?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100112788

Pull out that ANZUS treaty from the top draw and check if it's still valid. Dust off those big white/grey tents and the Camp Pell signs and start putting them up in Royal Park. Take down the MCG signage and see if that old wooden Camp Murphy sign is in the museum vault somewhere. Start booking some rooms at the Windsor and the other flash joints for the top brass...

Wonder if NZ is reassessing it's relationship with the CCP, or thinking about renewing it's ANZUS membership?

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GuySmiley Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 5:34pm
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Sharia law in every country is the ultimate aim for all muslims as commanded by their prophet. Stealth at first then the usual political takeover by numbers.
I’d post stuff from the Koran and the Hadiths to educate loud people like Vic L but Stu doesn’t like to read it and quite frankly I don’t like to even write it.. If you educate yourselves then you will know what’s going on and also understand the Islamic global mission statement.

Optimist again talking and sounding like the head of the Fart Sniffers Club, he sure has a nose for it!

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:03pm

All US treaties are UNFORTUNATELY null and void while the current POTUS and his puppet masters are in power .

I think they have already done a deal with China regarding Taiwan They have moved their B52's from Guam and the Ron Reagan aircraft carrier out of the region . They have left it up to the Taiwanese to negotiate ( with a VERY weak hand ) the take over of their country .

China will get 50% of world semi conductor production and all the IP without having to fire a shot .

What do they want next ?

Afghanistan has proved that they can not be relied on to keep their word .

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Vic Local Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:09pm

Hey Hutchy 19, Can you tell us what roles Bill Gates and George Soros play in this grand scheme? I hope you can put all the pieces of the puzzle together for us.
TIA,
ViC L0caL.

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:36pm
Hutchy 19 wrote:

All US treaties are UNFORTUNATELY null and void while the current POTUS and his puppet masters are in power .

Jeez you’re a crackpot.
I think they have already done a deal with China regarding Taiwan They have moved their B52's from Guam and the Ron Reagan aircraft carrier out of the region . They have left it up to the Taiwanese to negotiate ( with a VERY weak hand ) the take over of their country .

China will get 50% of world semi conductor production and all the IP without having to fire a shot .

What do they want next ?

Afghanistan has proved that they can not be relied on to keep their word .

Jeez you’re a crackpot.

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Roker Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:48pm
Vic Local wrote:

Hey Hutchy 19, Can you tell us what roles Bill Gates and George Soros play in this grand scheme? I hope you can put all the pieces of the puzzle together for us.
TIA,
ViC L0caL.

Isn’t Bill very busy scheming about how to ‘appropriately nullify’ Ghislaine? No time to scheme about the grand scheme just now. Gotta take care of the details.

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:48pm

Why the hell would you leave a significant proportion of your strategic bomber fleet within striking range of a potential adversary?

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 6:49pm

Gotta admit. Life’s gotten interesting on swellnet since hutchy turned up.

How much you paying him Ben?

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Patrick Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 7:46pm

Look out for speed wobbles

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 8:03pm

https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august
Great synopsis and asks some searching questions.
(Former NPR journo who was in Kandahar just after fall of Taliban in 2001, went on to work with NGOs then for the Joint Chiefs. Speaks Pashto, so probably gets a lot of context that’s otherwise getting missed)

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Vic Local Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 8:16pm

"Isn’t Bill very busy scheming about how to ‘appropriately nullify’ Ghislaine? "
Get your shit together etarip. That's the other "Bill" who's trying to bury the evidence. Hillary was playing hide the sausage with Prince Andrew too.
Since those wild days Prince Andrew has taken over Prince Phillip's role as Head or Eugenics at the WWF (Wildlife not wrestling)

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bonza Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 8:24pm
etarip wrote:

https://www.sarahchayes.org/post/the-ides-of-august
Great synopsis and asks some searching questions.
(Former NPR journo who was in Kandahar just after fall of Taliban in 2001, went on to work with NGOs then for the Joint Chiefs. Speaks Pashto, so probably gets a lot of context that’s otherwise getting missed)

good read etarip. i reckon all your comments of late re this subject have been spot on.

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Westofthelake Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 8:26pm

VL you've quoted Roker not etarip.

@etarip, good perspective on that link. Make sure you have a scroll down to the comments and read bobdyers comment.

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saltyone Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 8:53pm

Roker - Yeah I kinda hope nz can hold their own . I think Jacinda does a pretty good job. Has a heart and isnt afraid to show it which counts for a lot

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Vic Local Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:04pm

"VL you've quoted Roker not etarip."
I stand corrected.
Get your shit together Roker. Apologies etarip. Carry on.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:07pm

etarip - So you think the US should pull out everything from Korea and Taiwan ? You have not much idea how things work do you . Bonza agrees with you .

Lets turn your question around - Why does China leave their military infrastructure within striking distance of THEIR adversary ? Let me give a possible answer - deterrent . Same as why Russia and the US have not thrown Nuclear bombs at each other EVEN though they are within striking distance .

Do some homework etarip if you want to make accurate statements . The Guam B52's is NOT a significant potion of the US Strategic bombing Fleet . Not even close !!!! They are not even their most lethal bombers ( due to their age ) .

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bonza Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:20pm

Sorry hutch. Thought we were talking about Afghanistan. Silly me

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:32pm

Sorry Bonza ! Wrongly read that you agreeing with etarip was related to our debate . Again a mistake made by ME acting too quickly . I did not read his link and had not moved to Afghanistan . A good example of ME not doing my homework . Sorry again .

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Westofthelake Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:39pm

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 9:55pm

Bidens puppet master/s is probably Obama and or Clintons VLocal . Gates and Soros pull the strings of the WEF . The WEF may not care what happens too much in Afghanistan but do care on how it affects China and Russia .

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Vic Local Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 10:02pm

I know Zuckerberg is ZOG but what about Jeff Bezos from Amazon? Is he a ZOG operative too?
and where do the Rothschild's fit in? Loving how you can help with all these links.

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 10:09pm
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etarip - So you think the US should pull out everything from Korea and Taiwan ? You have not much idea how things work do you . Bonza agrees with you .

Lets turn your question around - Why does China leave their military infrastructure within striking distance of THEIR adversary ? Let me give a possible answer - deterrent . Same as why Russia and the US have not thrown Nuclear bombs at each other EVEN though they are within striking distance .

Do some homework etarip if you want to make accurate statements . The Guam B52's is NOT a significant potion of the US Strategic bombing Fleet . Not even close !!!! They are not even their most lethal bombers ( due to their age ) .

G’day Hutchy, I’ve got a pretty good idea how some things work mate. In some areas. This just happens to be one of them. I don’t think I ever said that they should withdraw everything. Did my drunken alter-ego do that while I wasn’t looking? There’s plenty of US deterrence sitting in the Indo-Pacific, supplemented by rotations of strategic bombers - B1s, B2s and B52s. They just don’t need to leave them parked there. It actually aids deterrence as they can ratchet up their response, adds a degree of ambiguity to their actions (ah, ambiguity as a deterrence model - look it up), and reduces permanently deployed logistics requirements. Seems to make sense to me.

As for China… they also keep their strategic bomber fleets based on the mainland, and deploy them forward into the South China Sea on occasion. What’s your point again?

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 10:16pm
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"VL you've quoted Roker not etarip."
I stand corrected.
Get your shit together Roker. Apologies etarip. Carry on.

All good. I was slightly honoured, if a little confused, to be on the end of one of your more genteel sprays.

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etarip Thursday, 19 Aug 2021 at 10:29pm
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VL you've quoted Roker not etarip.

@etarip, good perspective on that link. Make sure you have a scroll down to the comments and read bobdyers comment.

Thanks @westof and @bonza.
That bobdyer comment is an article in itself. I’ve never really understood the basis for the Pakistani paranoia about India tbh. Most Indians don’t seem to care about Pakistan, beyond terrorism (and cricket). On the other hand it’s hard to have a conversation with a Pakistani official without some reference to the threat from India (or cricket).

They’re all playing their own versions of the Great Game with RAW and ISI. It’s dynastic, but I have pondered whether the ‘recent’ history under the Raj against the Russians, and then the US against the Russians and now the US adventures in the region might have impressed the template a little deeper.

If you haven’t read Kipling’s ‘Kim’, I highly recommend it. Boys own adventure stuff.

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Supafreak Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 6:43am

@zen , have you ever come across these crabs in japan ? https://roaring.earth/giant-japanese-spider-crabs-can-grow-bigger-than-p...

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zenagain Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 8:41am

No mate, I don't think so.

My wife buys fresh crab in the winter and has it shipped from Hokkaido. It's already prepared and nicely presented. She grills some and the rest is either sashimi or Nabe (hot pot).

I'm not huge on crab, lotta work, little reward imo.

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simba Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 9:12am

udo well that was a great read

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 9:39am

They just don’t need to leave them parked there. It actually aids deterrence as they can ratchet up their response, adds a degree of ambiguity to their actions (ah, ambiguity as a deterrence model - look it up), and reduces permanently deployed logistics requirements. Seems to make sense to me.

As for China… they also keep their strategic bomber fleets based on the mainland, and deploy them forward into the South China Sea on occasion. What’s your point again?

Good to keep people guessing and not show your hand etarip .

Point about Korea etc was to say that they are also in the firing line so should the US also withdraw from there .

If it was good tactics to withdraw strategic bombers by the US why do the Chinese do keep them there .

Sorry about being a DH yesterday !

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garyg1412 Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 11:15am
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@zen , have you ever come across these crabs in japan ? https://roaring.earth/giant-japanese-spider-crabs-can-grow-bigger-than-p...

Looks like something that would be endemic to the Fukushima area!!

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etarip Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 6:09pm

Just got word today that an Afghan mate of mine got his visa. Yew! Now he’s hiding in Kabul with his family trying to work out how to get to, then into, the airport. Fingers crossed!

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Supafreak Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 6:09pm

Japan and ivermectin.

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etarip Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 6:43pm

Hutchy,
“Point about Korea etc was to say that they are also in the firing line so should the US also withdraw from there”
- different ballgame. Different strategic calculation. And the US don’t have permanently based strategic bombers there either.

“If it was good tactics to withdraw strategic bombers by the US why do the Chinese do keep them there”
-where? In China? They keep them on mainland China. Maybe on hainan island too, but that’s not really an outpost. There’s a list of PLAAF bases on Wikipedia but I can’t be fkd trawling though it.

Sorry about being a DH yesterday!
- all good. I don’t take much to heart. Look after yourself Hutchy.

Probably boring everyone with nerd shit at the moment so I might take a break. VJs always good for a yarn on this stuff too.

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D-Rex Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 7:29pm

I'm Ok with it as long as no one in a burqua is allowed in, etarip.

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etarip Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 7:40pm

If they meet the criteria for coming here then I’ll welcome them with open arms.
I don’t give a flying fuck what they’re wearing.

And if they do, in most cases after 10-20 years their kids, or grandkids, won’t have an interest in wearing one either. Unless they do, in which case, cool. No ones going to make your wife, sister, daughter or relative wear one in your lifetime, or your kids lifetime. Unless you move to Afghanistan or Iran of course. In which case you’d probably end up conforming to the social norms of the society that you’ve joined.

None of the biggest shitheads I’ve ever met have ever worn a burqa, niqab or hajib. And I’ve met some real shitheads.

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Supafreak Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 7:44pm

@etarip , I never find your input boring , there’s so much I have no idea about , and enjoy being educated on different peoples knowledge and perspective
on the crazy world we live .

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Supafreak Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 8:31pm

@etarip , I’ve always respected John Pildger and his reporting on political views and various wars around the world but found some of his RT interviews on the coming war on China a bit questionable . What’s your take on this ?

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etarip Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 9:04pm

I didn’t listen to the whole thing, but the short clip I did was a little hyperbolic. He seems unable to acknowledge that The CCP simultaneously maintained trade relationships with the West and supported Western military adventurism while expanding its military reach well into the South China Sea through island building and militarisation as a conscious strategy. Saying that the demise of the relationship is all the responsibility of Australia from 2016 onwards is also a little cute - yes, Australia’s attitude / behaviour did change, but it was a. largely as a necessary hardening of sovereign resilience and b. mirrored in other countries who similarly recognised their potential vulnerabilities to coercive statecraft. CCP strategy and statecraft from 2000-2020 was clear-eyed and well executed. The rest of the world just woke up to it. Doesn’t make the rest of the world aggressors.

(I prefer to use CCP rather than ‘China’. I know the people are the state and vice versa, but it’s a political entity that we’re dealing with)

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Supafreak Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 10:00pm

How much truth do you find in this ?

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tubeshooter Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 10:15pm

social media and #PrayforAfghanistan ..

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etarip Friday, 20 Aug 2021 at 10:48pm

That’s hilarious TS

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Roker Saturday, 21 Aug 2021 at 9:06am

Excellent ts. That's an exponentially spreading virus right there. Vaccine required urgently.

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etarip Saturday, 21 Aug 2021 at 9:07am

This is a great breakdown of the operational approach that delivered Kabul to the Tali-tubbies.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/how-the-taliban-di...

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AndyM Saturday, 21 Aug 2021 at 9:20am

Great vid Tubeshooter, made my morning :)