COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:49pm
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

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gragagan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:43pm

I heard one where it was the Illuminati that were controlling everything, and that they had replaced politicians with AI (like that vid that someone posted about Dan Andrews last week). I actually know someone who believes this...

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gsco Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:59pm
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

Roadkill, would you be open to considering the possibility that:

1. A novel coronavirus appeared somewhere, somehow, late 2019.

2. The media, in their usual course of business of trying to make a profit, immediately jumped and swooped on the scenario, completely dramatised it, sensationalised it, blew it out of all proportions, and relentlessly spammed it across the board, etc, simply in order to generate a captivating news story.

3. All the big tech social media AI algorithms then also completely went to town on it and spread it like wildfire.

4. Trump and the US propaganda machine opportunistically swooped on the issue to continue with their China bashing, appeal to a certain target voter market, and use as another weapon against China in their war they're currently engaging against China on all fronts except direct military conflict.

5. A whole bunch of radical, fringe, extreme leaning political groups also swooped on the scenario in order to use it to their own self interest, which combined with the media and big tech AI algorithms, led to absolute mass confusion.

6. The big pharma companies, lead by Bill Gates/Pfizer, saw an opportunity of a lifetime and thus also completely went to town on the issue with their deep pockets and donations to and influence over the media and big tech, and relentlessly spammed the fear mongering and set about doing the best they could to create a virus threat environment that can only be solved by mass vaccinations. They just influenced the media and governments in the best way they can, like all big corporates do in their usual course of trying to make a profit.

7. Academia saw a huge opportunity to jump aboard the bandwagon and lobby for government funding on the issue, and thus went to town on it as their next major grant money earner.

8. A lot of these interest groups and players, and more, all have a significant impact and influence on the data, scientific research, and statistics reported on the issue - from infection rates, hospitalisation rates, death rates, symptom severity, treatment effectiveness, vaccination effectiveness, vaccine risk, etc - so the truth has been buried and lost by the global, or more precisely the US corporate-government-media-science-tech model and neoliberal capitalist machine of pure profit-driven and opportunistic self interest. Also, a lot of so-called scientific medical experts and scientific researchers are compromised and paid by corporates to report things in line with corporate interests.

9. As a result, all facts, reality and truth has been lost, buried and smothered, and poor old governments need to try to make sense of it the mess and make decisions about how best to approach and handle the issue, and there is a very wide variety of countries taking a whole plethora of approaches. Our government has simply decided to err on the cautious side and be in a small circle of countries, which includes Taiwan, China and New Zealand, who implemented the strictest and harshest lockdowns and border closures on the planet.

So there is no global conspiracy or agenda of control or big reset etc. It's just the usual neoliberal capitalist machine at work, in overdrive.

In this case with covid we just happen to be in a scenario in which the interests of big pharma, the media and big tech align neatly, since their best way to make profit out of the scenario is to convince everyone that the virus threat is real and we need to lock down and sit on our computers all day getting addicted to the big tech algorithms and suffering from depression and buying stuff online, and also get mass vaccinated.

Governments have no power over the global media, big tech and neoliberal capitalist machine, and just have to find their own way through it all, and minimise the damage done to themselves and their prospects for reelection.

So it's all just mass opportunistic, profit and agenda driven mess and disaster of confusion, propaganda, misinformation, opportunism etc from a number of different political, media and corporate players all simply trying to achieve their own agendas at the expense of facts, reality, truth, and frankly anything other than themselves and their agenda.

All truth is lost, everything and everyone is compromised, no data or statistics or opinion we see can be trusted, including all covid data and statistics we see. We'll never really know whether the virus really was a threat, whether locking down and forcing governments to load up on massive debt in order to support the economy was needed, whether the vaccines really are effective or harmful or even needed, etc.

It's just the usual machine at work and in overdrive. Just the usual mayhem and pure self interest of the US capitalist machine.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:38pm

"I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?"

I have never said it is all about control, you have me mixed up with the conspiracy theorist in your head...

there is no point engaging with you

and what gsco said

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Supafreak Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:28pm

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:50pm
sypkan wrote:

"I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?"

I have never said it is all about control, you have me mixed up with the conspiracy theorist in your head...

there is no point engaging with you

and what gsco said

You have…it’s ok. I always knew you would walk it back. All tinfoil conspiracy kooks do when asked to write down and explain their wild theories.
So predictable.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:55pm

ok...

champ

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:56pm
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

“it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed”

So explain what you mean here? Who is stage managing something and what is being stage managed?

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:45pm
gsco wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

Roadkill, would you be open to considering the possibility that:

1. A novel coronavirus appeared somewhere, somehow, late 2019.

2. The media, in their usual course of business of trying to make a profit, immediately jumped and swooped on the scenario, completely dramatised it, sensationalised it, blew it out of all proportions, and relentlessly spammed it across the board, etc, simply in order to generate a captivating news story.

3. All the big tech social media AI algorithms then also completely went to town on it and spread it like wildfire.

4. Trump and the US propaganda machine opportunistically swooped on the issue to continue with their China bashing, appeal to a certain target voter market, and use as another weapon against China in their war they're currently engaging against China on all fronts except direct military conflict.

5. A whole bunch of radical, fringe, extreme leaning political groups also swooped on the scenario in order to use it to their own self interest, which combined with the media and big tech AI algorithms, led to absolute mass confusion.

6. The big pharma companies, lead by Bill Gates/Pfizer, saw an opportunity of a lifetime and thus also completely went to town on the issue with their deep pockets and donations to and influence over the media and big tech, and relentlessly spammed the fear mongering and set about doing the best they could to create a virus threat environment that can only be solved by mass vaccinations. They just influenced the media and governments in the best way they can, like all big corporates do in their usual course of trying to make a profit.

7. Academia saw a huge opportunity to jump aboard the bandwagon and lobby for government funding on the issue, and thus went to town on it as their next major grant money earner.

8. A lot of these interest groups and players, and more, all have a significant impact and influence on the data, scientific research, and statistics reported on the issue - from infection rates, hospitalisation rates, death rates, symptom severity, treatment effectiveness, vaccination effectiveness, vaccine risk, etc - so the truth has been buried and lost by the global, or more precisely the US corporate-government-media-science-tech model and neoliberal capitalist machine of pure profit-driven and opportunistic self interest. Also, a lot of so-called scientific medical experts and scientific researchers are compromised and paid by corporates to report things in line with corporate interests.

9. As a result, all facts, reality and truth has been lost, buried and smothered, and poor old governments need to try to make sense of it the mess and make decisions about how best to approach and handle the issue, and there is a very wide variety of countries taking a whole plethora of approaches. Our government has simply decided to err on the cautious side and be in a small circle of countries, which includes Taiwan, China and New Zealand, who implemented the strictest and harshest lockdowns and border closures on the planet.

So there is no global conspiracy or agenda of control or big reset etc. It's just the usual neoliberal capitalist machine at work, in overdrive.

In this case with covid we just happen to be in a scenario in which the interests of big pharma, the media and big tech align neatly, since their best way to make profit out of the scenario is to convince everyone that the virus threat is real and we need to lock down and sit on our computers all day getting addicted to the big tech algorithms and suffering from depression and buying stuff online, and also get mass vaccinated.

Governments have no power over the global media, big tech and neoliberal capitalist machine, and just have to find their own way through it all, and minimise the damage done to themselves and their prospects for reelection.

So it's all just mass opportunistic, profit and agenda driven mess and disaster of confusion, propaganda, misinformation, opportunism etc from a number of different political, media and corporate players all simply trying to achieve their own agendas at the expense of facts, reality, truth, and frankly anything other than themselves and their agenda.

All truth is lost, everything and everyone is compromised, no data or statistics or opinion we see can be trusted, including all covid data and statistics we see. We'll never really know whether the virus really was a threat, whether locking down and forcing governments to load up on massive debt in order to support the economy was needed, whether the vaccines really are effective or harmful or even needed, etc.

It's just the usual machine at work and in overdrive. Just the usual mayhem and pure self interest of the US capitalist machine.

Some of what you write is true.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:53pm

Imagine if this was your child.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:01pm

well i certainly didn't say it's all about control

that's just you trying to tar anyone who doesn't buy into your compromised version of events as a conspiracist

it's all you and vicvocal do... and it is so dumb, void of thought and tedious its ridiculous

not to mention totally counter productive to your little quest... but you ego maniacs love it

it's all in gsco's post if you are really interested, which is an excellent rundown

but you don't seem remotely interested

you're a self serving shallow feeder, which is fine, but it's not the place to come from calling everyone else dumb and stupid...

you and vic are two peas in a pod

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:00pm
sypkan wrote:

well i certainly didn't say it's all about control

that's just you trying to tar anyone who doesn't buy into your compromised version of events as a conspiracist

it's all you and vicvocal do... and it is so dumb, void of thought and tedious its ridiculous

not to mention totally counter productive to your little quest... but you ego maniacs love it

it's all in gsco's post if you are really interested, which is an excellent rundown

but you don't seem remotely interested

you're a self serving shallow feeder

I will ask again…as you are avoiding answering.

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed”

So explain what you mean here? Who is stage managing something and what is being stage managed?

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:35pm

Looks like its the new vaccine injury variant. who would have thought.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:47pm

dude seriously, I'm avoiding you and your self righteous pigheadedness, thar's all

it really is all in gsco's post

big tech, big pharma, legacy media, various governments, their privatised corrupted by private money departments, a corrupted academia, various ngo's and scientists that have been riding the public / private grants system for decades... the neoliberal order basically...

it's been on life support for some time... and been in a propaganda battle literally for it's life since bernie sanders and trump came along...

corona just exposed another level of corruption, like the WHO, the WEF, and all the dodge stuff they have been supporting for decades

various government and global good guy bodies have just shown they're no better than the IOC and FIFA... corrupted to the core...

if you really cannot see it, this conversation is not for you, hence me avoiding you and your blissful ignorance and nothing else

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:44pm
sypkan wrote:

dude seriously, I'm avoiding you and your self righteous pigheadedness, thar's all

it really is all in gsco's post

big tech, big pharma, legacy media, various governments, their privatised corrupted by private money departments, a corrupted academia, various ngo's and scientists that have been riding the public / private grants system for decades... the neoliberal order basically...

it's been on life support for some time... and been in a propaganda battle literally for it's life since bernie sanders and trump came along...

corona just exposed another level of corruption, like the WHO, the WEF, and all the dodge stuff they have been supporting for decades

all this government and global good guy bodies have shown they're no better than the IOC and FIFA... corrupted to the core...

if you really cannot see it, this conversation is not for you, hence me avoiding you, and nothing else

Well said mate.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:49pm

FFS burleigh give it a rest.
You've listed symptoms of the corona virus and tried to pretend they are side effects of the vaccine.
This is idiotic in the extreme.
If you ended up in a public hospital with covid, the govt should send you the medical bill. Why TF should sensible people pay for your medical treatment because you make idiotic health choices.? If you do need hospital treatment for covid, go to a private hospital and don't mooch off the taxpayer.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:53pm
Vic Local wrote:

FFS burleigh give it a rest.
You've listed symptoms of the corona virus and tried to pretend they are side effects of the vaccine.
This is idiotic in the extreme.
If you ended up in a public hospital with covid, the govt should send you the medical bill. Why TF should sensible people pay for your medical treatment because you make idiotic health choices.? If you do need hospital treatment for covid, go to a private hospital and don't mooch off the taxpayer.

Sure, as long as its the same for obese people with heart disease, drug overdoses and drink drivers etc.

mooch off tax payers? you mean me?

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:04pm

Well drink drivers who crash their cars don't get an insurance payout. It's exactly the same principle. Sensible people (ie vaccinated) should not have to subsidise dickheads who are too stupid or too chicken to get a vaccination.

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Supafreak Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:04pm

@roadkill , do you believe the WHO and FDA are straight shooters ? Do you believe them to be beyond corruption and influence ? Serious question.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:14pm
Vic Local wrote:

Well drink drivers who crash their cars don't get an insurance payout. It's exactly the same principle. Sensible people (ie vaccinated) should not have to subsidise dickheads who are too stupid or too chicken to get a vaccination.

Vaccination is voluntary Vic. Don't ever forget that. repeat it over and over again.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:22pm
Vic Local wrote:

Well drink drivers who crash their cars don't get an insurance payout. It's exactly the same principle. Sensible people (ie vaccinated) should not have to subsidise dickheads who are too stupid or too chicken to get a vaccination.

What about obese people that abuse their body everyday with putting shit food inside it that get heart disease. Do you believe they should be denied hospital treatment or sent the bill?

Thats the real pandemic.

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truebluebasher Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:42pm

NSW Former Premier Carr + Top Economist > "Charge Non Vaxed for Medicare Costs."

Lowest Vax Rates > Aboriginal TTI > Pregnant > Kidz > Prisoners > Teens > Outpatients > Disabled
Pretty sure UN would make light work of uncaring VIP White Trash Hodads!

NSW (Pre Vax Era) 30 Jan 2020 > 20 Feb 2021 (Average/Day/wk) = 39.1 cases/day > 1 death/wk
NSW 20 Feb 2021 > Now 93.4% Vaccinated (Average/Day/wk) = 270 cases/day > 14 deaths/wk

NSW Health Vax Rollout has spiked a 590% more infectious virus that proves 1300% more deadly.
(Takes all of 5 minutes to verify #1 NSW Health Fact on any site or device you can dream up!)
So how come all Oz experts combined can't trip over these #1 Covid Facts that boss our lives? Huh!
Some / Most / All Experts claim Vax is less infectious & deadly than No vax ...WTF...(Biggest ever lie!)

No Tricks! UK infected Vaxers % rises above National Vax% (Again! Vaxerz are #1 spreaderz...durr!)
As clear as day but Experts & MSM keep ignoring the Biggest Vax stats of our era...not very bright!

NSW Health frontline Pfizer Vax Wane
March/April > June/July Mass Wane begins by Aug > 1,429 Staff Isolating (Over 50% Full Vaxed)
We see this same Mass Wane play out in Europe! Again...how do Experts miss biggest Frontline wane?

NSW Health weekly Covid Cases
13-16th Nov 2021 (Most recent 'matching' Full Data Sets)
NSW Health "Covid-19 Risk monitoring Dashboard -Healthcare Settings" 17 Nov 2021
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit/dashboard
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NSW Health "Covid-19 Weekly Surveillance in NSW"- 13 Nov 2021
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-sur...

Takes all of 2 seconds to clearly read there's 1,000s more Vaccinated patients in NSW Health Care
Home Care Flow Portal (Unregistered) is "Essentially" reserved for 'Double Vaxed' Patients.
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/670528/ACI-Car...

1 Full Time carer aka (Not Gran!) But a Drug Dealer, part Tablet Guy ($200/day) re: (Scripts / Zoom)
Telehealth Costs [ Hospital ] Call $200 / GP-Specialist $100 / Consultant - receptionist $50
re: 15 days [+] 1-2x Calls/day + 5x GP calls / Specialists 2x + Consultants 7x = $6,000 per Vax Patient.
[ Telehealth ] Is owned by Chinese 30% / US Tech Corps / OZ Resources > (No Oz Health $ returned!)
Codes permit Big Tech backdoor access to MyHealth Private Data & breach of GP confidentiality!

NSW Home Care > Double Vax - 2397/wk (27,000/wk at Peak) No! You wouldn't read about it...durr!
NSW Hospital (Full Vax - Risk) 67/wk
NSW Hospital (1 dose > 3wks - *200 min)+(1 dose + 3wks 80) + ICU 12 ?

Hospital (No Vax) > (*195 Max) + ICU 8 ?
No effective Dose *395 = re: 1 dose > 3wks as highest % and increasing as with ICU?
Sept- NSW Health dumped skyrocketing 1 Dose data onto declining No vax stats...to stop the rot!

Other NSW Premier: Get off my cases > Eyes up here! Check out my Vax 92.4%
(Current) NSW Health Care Figures 93.4% Vaxed cases (vs) 6.6% Unvaxed cases
NSW Health : Vaxers over represent in Healthcare (vs) Unvaxed under represent in Health Care.

Don't take long for Aussies to figure that out...
Experts promised to share Vax data as they get it...(2 day delay they said!)
This most recent full set is 13 days old...tbb is not fussy & will salute any NSW Data that rings true.

Oz #1 Biggest Health Crisis in History
Multi $ Billion Rollout Staff get paid Double of frontline Hospital Staff
Rollout killed off Tier one Surgery & Cut all Oz Outpatient appointments for 2021 & beyond.
Hesitants are denied Outpatient care but required to Vax...now the Bullies deny our last health rites!
Forcing Oz Sickest People to Vax without care...only brews up more faster mutant viruses.

Oz Govt #1 Covid Symptoms > Short -Difficult Breathing / loss of mobility / Confusion / Chest Pain.
None can legally consent to Vax if they have these symptoms...that being most Outpatients...Correct!
The Govt exempts untreated Outpatients by default...otherwise 100,000's would Vax! No Brainer!
Healthy people are not to know such & we isolated sick don't wish ACA to kick our doors down.
Keen Vax Doctor, just this week instantly agreed with tbb...you must present healthy to Vax! (Naturally!)
Not even the ill can lie on Vax Consent forms...if yer ill with described systems > You must not Vax!

Bully ex Premier & Numbers Guy need to grow a heart and a brain....
Bullies withhold Medicare to 1st Nation, Pregnant, Kidz, Prisoners, Teens, Outpatients, Disabled...
Hesitants long surrendered their healthcare & pay for Private health while Rollout bosses State Health.
Should we Hesitants start demanding Medicare Rebates for bailing out Mass Vax Health Care.
No! It's Unaustralian + we're too ill to bother about it! Govt forced them to Vax..not their fault!

PS: (Quite often 10x unregistered infections > patients in Home care than on Cartoon TV tally.)
State Health only consults > removes Hot Vaxers off State Books onto 'Confidential' GP Telehealth.
To calm the waters & paint the desired Landscape.

9th Sept (re:) Public reads Vic Hospital 143 cases > Unregistered Off Grid Home Care 1,600 (Shh!)
Breaky TV is none the wiser & would be the last to wake up to the truth!
SA have run 900 unregistered Home Care...reckon that's more than their Breaky TV has toyed with!

Yes! Of course...sadly Vaxerz also die in Covid home care NSW > 11th Sept > up to 15 deaths

Original Model was set up early-mid 2020 by ADF / IT as a gift to Scomo's Gal.
Vic has one running since early this year...Qld as SA also run home models...
New Oz Homecare Model is being fine tuned by ( RACGP ) > [ Telehealth ] > { Healthline }
Not saying it's being privatized...user pays model...(Yet!) only that it pleases the States no end.

10x Vax Infections swept off the radar...everyone is happy to pretend there's zero Vax outbreaks.
Breakthrus > Waning > Hot Spots > Exposure Sites all become invisible in a Fully Vaxed cartoon society.
Paves the way to paint targets on most vulnerable for bullies to poke sticks at & don't they luv it!

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Roadkill Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 5:27am
sypkan wrote:

dude seriously, I'm avoiding you and your self righteous pigheadedness, thar's all

it really is all in gsco's post

big tech, big pharma, legacy media, various governments, their privatised corrupted by private money departments, a corrupted academia, various ngo's and scientists that have been riding the public / private grants system for decades... the neoliberal order basically...

it's been on life support for some time... and been in a propaganda battle literally for it's life since bernie sanders and trump came along...

corona just exposed another level of corruption, like the WHO, the WEF, and all the dodge stuff they have been supporting for decades

various government and global good guy bodies have just shown they're no better than the IOC and FIFA... corrupted to the core...

if you really cannot see it, this conversation is not for you, hence me avoiding you and your blissful ignorance and nothing else

So that’s a no answer…you have to rely on another posters explanation…weak. But again, as expected.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 5:30am
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@roadkill , do you believe the WHO and FDA are straight shooters ? Do you believe them to be beyond corruption and influence ? Serious question.

No, both are not beyond corruption and/or bad influence.

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shoredump Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 6:10am

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There’s already one, already one”
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Alana_a Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 7:05am

Rip David

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burleigh Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 8:44am

Reported adverse reactions from the jab on the 16th November including 2 deaths (reporting is 2 weeks behind)

Just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it's not happening.


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Vic Local Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:17am

Still going to anti-vaxxer instagram accounts for your covid news burleigh.
That is embarrassing on so many levels.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:32am

burleigh…I hear TikTok is also a good source for covid vax info….they even do a little dance whilst giving advise.
Perfect for you.

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bluediamond Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:33am

TGA? Instagram? Hahaha! Blinded by [email protected] vic(toughguy)local

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Supafreak Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:43am

Boosters in UK for the vulnerable now being advised at 3 months not 6 .

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Vic Local Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:47am
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burleigh…I hear TikTok is also a good source for covid vax info….they even do a little dance whilst giving advise.
Perfect for you.

Ha Ha. Well played roadkill.

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bluediamond Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 9:51am

Hey @Burleigh, I guess if they published the TGA's recorded adverse events from vacccine on channel 7, Dickvocal might believe it.
Wondering why there's been no big 'investigations' into it by ACA, Four Corners...60minutes!!! Mustn't be real news.
Good on ya Burleigh. You've got more patience than me dealing with those two muppets.

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 10:10am

"So that’s a no answer…you have to rely on another posters explanation…weak. But again, as expected."

dude, I provided you a list of people with common interests, a common goal...

a list i have posted several times in context, as entities cooperating, colluding even, to present a certain picture... geez some of them even have a formal agreement!

but you don't do context, you are not interested, you are too busy trying to paint me as this conspiracy theorist pucture you've cooked up in your head for 6 months or more because it suits your interests

it ain't that simple einstein, the world is full of contrasts and competing interests, but you want it all either / or to suit your lack of processing capacity

you really are a peapod with your simpleton mate

actually, more like a pair of smelly lycra clad ballsacks, somehow chaffing on anything that dares come within sniffing distance

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Stok Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:01am

There's really two, very polarised sides to this forum, and the wider discussion around covid & associacted vax.

It's either you understand enough about the nature of pandemics, the danger, the urgency, the unknowns and the need to act quickly. When I say enough, I mean enough that a non-subject matter expert should know.

Or, you reject that understanding and you refuse to believe in pandemics. You fall the traps of sub beliefs such as your immune system is fine for everything, that vaccines/mandates are part of some evil plan or potentially that this is the great reset/move to global communism/hell. If you fall in this category, generally you feel that you know more than the people believing in the need to respond to pandemic through a consistent, well led approach. Essentially, you fail to see the extent of your own knowledge limitations, and are blind to your biases regarding what you wish the world would be like (i.e. no pandemics, freedom to do what you want whenever.).

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burleigh Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:12am
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Still going to anti-vaxxer instagram accounts for your covid news burleigh.
That is embarrassing on so many levels.

Its an instagram page, yes. The post is screen shots from the TGA website with no edits. You really will bury your head in the sand and try ANYTHING to discredit things wont you? Deaths, miscarriages, heart issues are just some of the adverse reactions listed on that page, but you and roadkill are happy t discredit it because its posted on instagram?

Look at the age brackets (where listed) these people are doing it not for themselves, but for ungrateful people like roadkill who thinks the world owes him something.

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burleigh Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:17am
Stok wrote:

There's really two, very polarised sides to this forum, and the wider discussion around covid & associacted vax.

It's either you understand enough about the nature of pandemics, the danger, the urgency, the unknowns and the need to act quickly. When I say enough, I mean enough that a non-subject matter expert should know.

Or, you reject that understanding and you refuse to believe in pandemics. You fall the traps of sub beliefs such as your immune system is fine for everything, that vaccines/mandates are part of some evil plan or potentially that this is the great reset/move to global communism/hell. If you fall in this category, generally you feel that you know more than the people believing in the need to respond to pandemic through a consistent, well led approach. Essentially, you fail to see the extent of your own knowledge limitations, and are blind to your biases regarding what you wish the world would be like (i.e. no pandemics, freedom to do what you want whenever.).

Your immune system is science. Just not the science that generates huge $$$.

Look after it, treat your body the way its meant to be treated, dont abuse it with drugs, shit food and alcohol, then it will look after you.

Not once have i seen anyone on tv telling you to look after your body, put down the KFC and go exercise. Its just jab jab jab.

A patient cured is a customer lost for big pharma.

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AndyM Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:25am
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Stok wrote:

There's really two, very polarised sides to this forum, and the wider discussion around covid & associacted vax.

It's either you understand enough about the nature of pandemics, the danger, the urgency, the unknowns and the need to act quickly. When I say enough, I mean enough that a non-subject matter expert should know.

Or, you reject that understanding and you refuse to believe in pandemics. You fall the traps of sub beliefs such as your immune system is fine for everything, that vaccines/mandates are part of some evil plan or potentially that this is the great reset/move to global communism/hell. If you fall in this category, generally you feel that you know more than the people believing in the need to respond to pandemic through a consistent, well led approach. Essentially, you fail to see the extent of your own knowledge limitations, and are blind to your biases regarding what you wish the world would be like (i.e. no pandemics, freedom to do what you want whenever.).

Your immune system is science. Just not the science that generates huge $$$.

Look after it, treat your body the way its meant to be treated, dont abuse it with drugs, shit food and alcohol, then it will look after you.

Not once have i seen anyone on tv telling you to look after your body, put down the KFC and go exercise. Its just jab jab jab.

A patient cured is a customer lost for big pharma.

Would you say vaccines are broadly unnecessary?

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Craig Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:29am

Nailed it Stok, and then Burleigh's response just reinforces your comments. Face palm!

I agree that the government have missed an opportunity to push the eat healthy, exercise etc message but even the fittest/healthiest can be susceptible to this virus, no matter how strong you think your immune system is.

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burleigh Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:38am
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Nailed it Stok, and then Burleigh's response just reinforces your comments. Face palm!

I agree that the government have missed an opportunity to push the eat healthy, exercise etc message but even the fittest/healthiest can be susceptible to this virus, no matter how strong you think your immune system is.

Craig, you're also susceptible to the virus fully jabbed, however being jabbed you're also susceptible to the adverse reactions.

Sure i can still catch the virus, but you can't compare me or my family who don't drink or smoke and eat healthy/exercise daily to another obese family of the same age. Ive given my body every chance it has to fight off serious infection and reduce my chance of needing medical treatment.

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Craig Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:41am

That is incorrect Burleigh.

We are both susceptible to it, but I am more protected and likely to produce less severe symptoms/complications.

I'd say we are both similar health wise so you are at more risk (even though small at our ages - not sure your age) to be hospitalised.

This risk oh hospitalisation from COVID is greater than hospitalisation from the jab and that's the end of it.

If you want to think otherwise then fine but just admit you are going against all the stats and science. Ie being selfish and not looking out for the greater good.

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:43am

nah stok

one can listen to and respect medical experts ...and also know there are vested interests and bigger forces at work...

it's the system that is broken, it was broken well before covid, hence the political unrest well before covid...

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:45am

so answer me one thing stok...

is 'the great reset' a thing?

or just a 'conspiracy'?

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thermalben Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:57am
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Sure i can still catch the virus, but you can't compare me or my family who don't drink or smoke and eat healthy/exercise daily to another obese family of the same age. Ive given my body every chance it has to fight off serious infection and reduce my chance of needing medical treatment.

And thus the problem is that the community consists a wide range of people of varying health.

That, along with everyone's internal bias against the status of their actual health ("I'm as fit as a fiddle!", says the moderately overweight footy-Dad who hasn't been for a checkup in ten years, and has no idea whether his cholesterol is elevated, or his blood pressure is high, let alone diabetes, prostate/bowel cancer), means self-assessment of Covid-19 vulnerability is a risky proposition.

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burleigh Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 11:58am
Craig wrote:

That is incorrect Burleigh.

We are both susceptible to it, but I am more protected and likely to produce less severe symptoms/complications.

I'd say we are both similar health wise so you are at more risk (even though small at our ages - not sure your age) to be hospitalised.

This risk oh hospitalisation from COVID is greater than hospitalisation from the jab and that's the end of it.

If you want to think otherwise then fine but just admit you are going against all the stats and science. Ie being selfish and not looking out for the greater good.

We dont have the stats on hospitalisations for adverse reactions, their health status etc so its an unknown.
I have chosen what i deemed best for me and my family considering our age (im in my 30s) & our health choices. This is not just better for Covid hospitalisation but better for hospitalisation in general considering heart diseases is 1 in 20 (1.2 million) people in Australia.

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Stok Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 12:11pm
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so answer me one thing stok...

is 'the great reset' a thing?

or just a 'conspiracy'?

I don't know.

I also will never be in a position to 'know enough' to know if this is a conspiracy or not.

i recognise that if I start rejecting more widely adopted narratives, start digging in to this and researching/looking for answers myself, I'm prone to manipulation. There's too many experts at manipulation these days, and the platforms they have, the echo chambers that exist and the algorithms make it pretty much a one way street to crazy town.

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Stok Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 12:14pm
Craig wrote:

I agree that the government have missed an opportunity to push the eat healthy, exercise etc message but even the fittest/healthiest can be susceptible to this virus, no matter how strong you think your immune system is.

The whole stay at home messaging and closure of gyms I think gave people the fuel for 'it's not about your health' rhetoric. Which is an unfortunate lesson learnt.

Not saying I disagree with those restrictions, but perhaps when restrictions were easing there should've been a real push to get people moving again.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 12:18pm

@burleigh , there’s been plenty of cases of healthy young sports stars contracting covid and unable to get back to their original level of fitness. I’ve posted links before of young US NBL stars that have suffered from long covid. We are all a little bit different and you have some valid points. It’s a bizarre disease in that some have no problems and don’t even show symptoms and others regardless of fitness and health get smashed . I’m against mandates personally and a hospital in NY recently had to close its emergency department after not enough staff due to being unvaccinated. https://www.newsweek.com/staff-shortages-force-new-york-hospital-close-e...

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 Nov 2021 at 12:31pm

don't be scared stok

be informed...

https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset