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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:18am

"Im sure the majority were tradies."
Where you there ID? If not, how would you know from 6 sec grabs on the news?
What is very clear is that mob was a mix of tradies and right wing rabble. There was plenty of online chat on anti-vax / anti lockdown groups encouraging their audience to get down to the protest.
This is exactly what happens when the grifters encourage the idiots. Setka does it all the time, but his voice was drowned out by the right wing scum, and he didn't like it at all.
Palmer and Hanson would be paying very close attention to these developments.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:28am

All the tradies I know are doubled vaxed because they know/accept no jab no work.

Interestingly the Liberal Party of Victoria has not once denounced or criticised the lockdown /anti vaccination protests ....

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:57am

@Vic Local

Either way without knowing fully we both have to make an assumption. (just like im sure media are)

Im making an assumption most are tradies there for the reasons being protested, knowing tradies just like any other group of people can be pro vax or anti vax or in-between.

You are making an assumption that a decent amount of people there are not tradies but just anti vaxers or in your words right wing rabble.

Your assumption is clearly much bigger than mine especially when you add in knowing their political leanings.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 11:08am

Hiccup/Local - were you guys at the Melb BLM protest that got fined for covid breaches ?

I saw Prince Charles get barricaded in a Monash Uni hall in the 70's . Big Red knew how to do a protest . Been to a few as a spectator .

Not really the demonstration type .

Part of the silent majority . Too busy working .Protest by writing letters and voting .

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garyg1412 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:40pm
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Not really the demonstration type .

Part of the silent majority . Too busy working .Protest by writing letters and voting .

You're a funny bloke Hutchy - I give you that much.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:19pm
garyg1412 wrote:
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Not really the demonstration type .

Part of the silent majority . Too busy working .Protest by writing letters and voting .

You're a funny bloke Hutchy - I give you that much.

The image of someone struggling to fight themselves out of a wet paper bag comes to mind somehow ....

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:35pm

Gary/Hiccup/Smiley/Viclocal etc .

Please give me an example of a protest you have participated in that has changed the status quo !

I don't like wasting my time doing anything that doesn't help a cause . Other than responding to you guys .

Please don't include protests to meet boys or girls .

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:51pm

Winkipop raised walkway was stopped after multiple protests and lobbying efforts. That good enough for you champ?.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:01pm

Not really Vlocal - that is a very local issue . I was hoping for a state or national issue . Something of importance , not something that might have interrupted your surfing and stopped tourists getting a better view . A REAL issue .

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:12pm

I’m glad you asked hutchy, this list might explain why I have zero patience with people like you .....

Vietnam moratoriums.

Anti apartheid protests/Springboks tour.

Saving Fraser Island from sand mining. Likewise Myall Lakes.

Blockading of construction work to stop the damming of the Gordon River in Tasmania.

Protesting against French nuclear testing in the pacific ending with the sinking of Greenpeace’s Rainbow Warrior in a NZ port.

Sea Shepherd volunteering.

Plus an adult life of donating time and cash to various groups like ACF which has locked projects like Adani in the courts for years.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:14pm

Thanks Smiley . You proved my point .

None of the above protests had any positive effects on those issues . China won the Vietnam war , you had no effect dismantling apartheid , it changed many years later , low mineral sands prices stopped the mining , you stopped Tassy having more CO2 friendly hydo and the French would have taken no notice and laughed in your face .

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:43pm

I forgot to add protests in support for the BLF green bans that saved many of our historical buildings in Sydney and Melbourne from demolition ....

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:52pm

I saw the protest clips yesterday in passing, without sound. You had the union laity assembled as a crowd against the union organisers, and the organisers trying to shout their message, and then chaos. Projectiles were thrown, someone picked up a plastic bread tray and appeared to pitch it at the official. Next clip seemed to show the official use the megaphone as a bat to hit protestors, total carnage and a mini-Bastille of improvised domestic and bakery items.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:55pm

Police line on inbound Westgate bridge, protestors just walked to other side of Fwy to get past it. Unreal.

With the yellow vests, this is Aussie yellow vest moment (and Team Orange, too)

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garyg1412 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:58pm
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Thanks Smiley . You proved my point .

, you had no effect dismantling apartheid , it changed many years later

Hutchy directly no, indirectly he did actually.

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garyg1412 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:03pm
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Gary/Hiccup/Smiley/Viclocal etc .

Please give me an example of a protest you have participated in that has changed the status quo !.

Apologies I wasn't referring to your demonstrating abilities.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:09pm

Smiley - Saving historical buildings is a good cause .

I am wondering why the BLF were involved . Was Norm running the union then or too busy renovating his beach house with union money .

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adam12 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:11pm

Jack Mundey

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:26pm

Jack in Sydney and Norm in Melb, yeah got caught and rightfully paid the price, but that is not the say he didn’t do good but his mistake of course was not use a blind trust for the building materials not union cash - for the record

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bonza Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:48pm

noble causes GuySmiley. Thanks.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:54pm

Protest and petitions rarely do much because in most cases it's just a noisy minority opposing the views of the silent majority.

BTW. Most petitions these days online are completely pointless with the aim really being about data collecting.

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bonza Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:34pm

I'll always been grateful to those that took a stand against the Franklin River Dam; the clearing of the daintree, logging and sand mining of Fraser and many others. so thanks to the noisy minority back then who now are the silent majority.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:41pm

The views expressed above by info and hutchy about the effectiveness or otherwise of public protests are no surprise and would be commonly held by those on the right. After all why protest against the status quo of ongoing favourable outcomes as delivered by the their preferred (of and for the right) government and media (Murdoch) outlets? In fact Im struggling to remember one protest generated from the right apart from the nut jobs like Reclaim Australia and the current Anti Vax and Lockdown protests Victoria which the LNP and their media cheer squads are failing to denounce.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:43pm

Others are good results but the extra carbon free energy from Franklin river dam would be pretty handy these days even with Tassie at 100% carbon free energy they could export the energy to Victoria to all the gap needed with solar and wind.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:47pm

What about the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Indo? 1978 was more of a protest / march of defiance than a parade.
Probably a good thing they were successful and gay people are no longer being tossed off the cliffs in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs.
Protestors and the noisy minority. pffft. What have they ever achieved.
Not to mention the Freedom Rides in 67. good protest Indo, or just noisy minority?

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:47pm
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The views expressed above by info and hutchy about the effectiveness or otherwise of public protests are no surprise and would be commonly held by those on the right. After all why protest against the status quo of ongoing favourable outcomes as delivered by the their preferred (of and for the right) government and media (Murdoch) outlets? In fact Im struggling to remember one protest generated from the right apart from the nut jobs like Reclaim Australia and the current Anti Vax and Lockdown protests Victoria which the LNP and their media cheer squads are failing to denounce.

Decent point maybe only conservative type protest that might happen is more conservative Christian type things like anti abortion or something along those lines.

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Fliplid Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 6:06pm

Don’t forget Gina Rienhardts freedom ride to parliament house to abolish the mining super profits tax, that worked. A great victory for the nation

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 6:44pm

People are pissed. Protests are a sign of frustration. Majority or manority. Until leadership delivers they will continue. All discontent starts someware. Those causes need addressing or the continuing escalation of protest will rise. People finding their voices is a sign all is not well. Could this public anger which is expressed on a number issues be prevented? If so why ignore simmering tensions of public interest.

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san Guine Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 7:19pm

“Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more,
Men were deceivers ever,-
One foot in sea and one on shore,
To one thing constant never.”
― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing

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Hiccups Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:38am
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Gary/Hiccup/Smiley/Viclocal etc .

Please give me an example of a protest you have participated in that has changed the status quo !

I don't like wasting my time doing anything that doesn't help a cause . Other than responding to you guys .

Please don't include protests to meet boys or girls .

Some are:
Let Them Stay, no not just the Biloela family
Marriage Equality rallies
FIGHT FOR THE BIGHT, though you'd know fuck all about that. You don't actually surf do you.
SLAM (Save Live Australia’s Music)

Will keep persisting for asylum seekers, Invasion day etc. Often these things are a slow process, but maintaining awareness for some, is a futile waste of time to cunts like you.

I'd love to know what these little protest letters you send out are Hutchy, and to whom, you fucken shitheel.

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arcadia Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:46am

Anti nuclear protests throughout the mid 80's drew an incredibly diverse crowd of people all united, albeit fleetingly. An intoxicating experience.

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:13am

Hiccup - Feel free to waste your time . You seem very good at it !

On all the issues you mentioned you are doing nothing and I bet know very little .

As an example . Are you fighting for live music and protesting against lockdowns which is killing the pub industry ?

The Bight - you are referring to oil and gas exploration is expect . It has been done in Bass Straight for decades with out any problems . If done correctly ie avoiding disturbance on whales , marine life and the environment I am happy for the industry to employ workers and for Vic to not have to rely on gas from Gladstone . I bet you were against that project too as it relies on fracking to release the gas from coal seams . Lucky we didn't listen to you on that to as we would now have terrible gas shortages and super high power bills for pensioners and small business to pay .

The demonstration against nuclear energy stopped the development of the only form of power that can provide base load power 24/7 CO2 FREE .

Stop wasting your time and stuffing up our future .

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Hiccups Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:15am
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Hiccup - Feel free to waste your time . You seem very good at it !

On all the issues you mentioned you are doing nothing and I bet know very little .

As an example . Are you fighting for live music and protesting against lockdowns which is killing the pub industry ?

The Bight - you are referring to oil and gas exploration is expect . It has been done in Bass Straight for decades with out any problems . If done correctly ie avoiding disturbance on whales , marine life and the environment I am happy for the industry to employ workers and for Vic to not have to rely on gas from Gladstone .

The demonstration against nuclear energy stopped the development of the only form of power that can provide base load power 24/7 CO2 FREE .

Stop wasting your time and stuffing up our future .

Hahah! You don't even know about Fight for the Bight! Just as I thought. You have no business chucking in your 2 cents and then some about everything Hutchy. You clearly know FUCK ALL.

Wasting MY time? You're on here 24/7 talking complete shit. Who's the time waster pal?

What an embarrassing cunt.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:21am

“ I'd love to know what these little protest letters you send out are Hutchy ...”

Well, you wouldn’t believe it Hiccups, there was this time the tea room didn’t restock my favourite Earl Grey tea and I was forced to complain to the head prefect at my old school, all the chums were most upset!!

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:23am

^^

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arcadia Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:22am

Hutchy, the anti nuclear demonstrations in the 80's were against the deployment of nuclear weapons and the visits of US ships carrying nuclear weapons to Australian shores.
Where is your willingness to learn and ask questions before passing judgement ?

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san Guine Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:23am

How was the earthquake at 0915h...the house shook for about 30 seconds!

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arcadia Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:24am

Nuclear power is not CO2 free btw. The construction and maintenance of the plants produces significant amounts of CO2.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:24am
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How was the earthquake at 0915h...the house shook for about 30 seconds!

X2
Thought it was the dog having a scratch at first :)

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:28am

Hiccup - From the Fight for the Bight web page .

"With Equinor abandoning its plans to drill in the Great Australian Bight, the immediate threat from oil exploration is gone.
The people have clearly demonstrated they want the Bight protected from oil drilling, and it is time for the Australian Government to provide permanent protection.

We call upon the Australian Government to listen, and permanently protect the unique waters of the Great Australian Bight from drilling. The next stage of the GAB Alliance campaign will be focussed on how to ensure long-term protection of this unique marine wilderness area. With your help, we will succeeed. "

The fight was about stopping the exploration ! It has now moved on to trying to stop it in the future .

I hope it is as successful as the Stop Fracking protest at Gladstone !

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etarip Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:27am

I was out skating with the kids and didn’t notice it but the neighbours are all talking about it.

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Hiccups Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:37am
Hutchy 19 wrote:

Hiccup - From the Fight for the Bight web page .

"With Equinor abandoning its plans to drill in the Great Australian Bight, the immediate threat from oil exploration is gone.
The people have clearly demonstrated they want the Bight protected from oil drilling, and it is time for the Australian Government to provide permanent protection.

We call upon the Australian Government to listen, and permanently protect the unique waters of the Great Australian Bight from drilling. The next stage of the GAB Alliance campaign will be focussed on how to ensure long-term protection of this unique marine wilderness area. With your help, we will succeeed. "

The fight was about stopping the exploration ! It has now moved on to trying to stop it in the future .

I hope it is as successful as the Stop Fracking protest at Gladstone !

I reckon you'll be the only one here shitting on FFTB Hutchy, cos you don't surf, but you do you.

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brutus Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:45am
san Guine wrote:

How was the earthquake at 0915h...the house shook for about 30 seconds!

San , got that down here too....fishtanks started looking like a wave pool , windows rattling...my ex just called me and she felt it in Geelong......wow was that an eartquake , or maybe all the hot air rising from some of those anti-vaxxers in Melb yesterday...
Anyhow surfs great for the next few days...we might get a N swell.....LOL.

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Craig Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:47am

Strong and for 15s here in Sydney.

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:47am

Maybe the Chinese bombing us .

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blackers Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:52am
san Guine wrote:

How was the earthquake at 0915h...the house shook for about 30 seconds!

Felt it here, bayside Melbourne. Whole house shook, could feel the wave pass through. Biggest shake I have sat through. On the ABC news they say it was felt as far north as Newcastle. Any reports from up that way?

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Craig Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:54am

Reports to me from Adelaide to Tas, to Newcastle.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:15am

Any reports in from Gary’s workbench yet?

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 4:06pm

Maybe the earthquake has affected my internet or some wise person has cancelled the Vaccinate thread .

Or I could be having a seniors moment .

I am happy either way .

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Craig Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 4:07pm

It's still there, just taken off the homepage.