Melbourne's new wave pool is but a few months from completion

Ben Matson
Swellnet Dispatch

URBNSURF Melbourne have announced that their surfing lagoon is nearing completion, and is on track to begin operations at its Melbourne Airport, Tullamarine location around Easter 2019.

The wave generator. Photo URBNSURF

In a statement, URBNSURF’s Founder Andrew Ross, said “We’re stoked with the progress that we’ve made on site over the last few months, with our next-generation wave generator successfully installed and the surf lagoon rapidly taking shape".

"When you walk around the lagoon and witness the scale of the structures, it’s hard to believe this was just a vacant piece of land less than 12 months ago.”

Aerial view from above. Photo URBNSURF

The wave generator and lagoon is expected to be fine-tuned throughout Winter 2019, ahead of its public opening in Spring 2019.

The company says the 2-hectare surfing lagoon will be able to produce up to 1,000 surfing waves per hour from 0.5m to 2.0m in size, accomodating up to 84 surfers at a time.

The wave pool will operate both day and night, year-round, and is anticipated to create 45 full time jobs.

Surfers interested in testing the wave pool before its public launch can register their interest at the URBNSURF website.

Nikki Van Dijk slotted at Wavegarden’s R&D facility in San Sebastian, Spain. Photo: URBNSURF/Ed Sloane

Sierra and Josh Kerr at Wavegarden’s R&D facility in San Sebastian, Spain. Photo: Wavegarden/Pacotwo

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:56am

This could be fun

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crg commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:58am

What's the equivalent of walking on the moon in the great wave pool race?

A full stand up 6ft barrel?
Wave variety?
No. of waves per hour?
Financial viability?

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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shoredump commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:12am

6ft barrel. 100%
Walking on the moon was never financially viable

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ArtVandelay commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:58am

It was for The Police ...

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crg commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:01am

Haha

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But I'm free.

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:33am

Michael Jackson did quite well out of it too.

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Craig commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:39am

Haha, oh God.

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:34pm

So did Mike Tyson

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Andrew Pegler commented Friday, 15 Feb 2019 at 1:29pm

that is very funny

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:24am

I think Kelly's already achieved that.

Future wave pool developments will be incremental enhancements either side (bigger, better shape, less predictability, higher frequency etc).

Now they've gotta make it work from a financial perspective.

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crg commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:49pm

If you consider all prior wavepools as test rockets, Kelly as Gagarin, then what/who is Armstrong?

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:53pm

Good point.

We haven't progressed that far I suppose.

But.. what's missing? Obviously some of the pools still have to prove they can work consistently, but for everyone it's whether they'll be financially viable.

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crg commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 3:10pm

Probably is financial viability...you'd imagine the lenders of capital required to start a wave pool will dry up real quick when they're proven to be money drainers.
So it appears the greatest need is volume of numbers of surfers through the turnstiles...conversely probably the greatest threat to one day overcrowding ocean breaks.
It's a Brave New Water World.

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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Feralkook commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 6:10pm

Which one will be the equivalent of Apollo 13 also springs to mind. ;)

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karliosis commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 6:00pm

Really hoping Webber's wave pool is not closer to Mars.

Sic

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ArtVandelay commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:20pm

Or Uranus......... :-)

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shoredump commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:16am

I’ve got some mates who occasionally stay overnight at Tullamarine. What a way to wash off a day’s work. Hopefully they have a bar as well.

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3vickers commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:18am

this is a huge project - $$$$$
(hope like heck they nail it)

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Tarzan71 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:25am

hope all the northern suburbs hell men take to their new local and leave our beaches alone .... but on second thoughts...
How awesome would it be to strap on a virtual reality headset, get a stair climber, hike to Everest and then pull into pipe the very same afternoon!

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ringmaster commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:27am

"hope all the northern suburbs hell men take to their new local and leave our beaches alone .... "

Whose beaches???

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Tarzan71 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:11pm

The beaches that belong to us all that get over run with hell men wearing adidas trackies, riding boogey boards, drinking beer and drowning in our rips mate!!

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lost commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:49pm

From what i can see those who have been first to line up and get in are in deed folk who live a the beach and surf a lot.

knB

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greyhound commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:06am

Not interested !

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Gary G commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:07am

Day and night, year round, 1000 waves per hour, up to 84 surfers at a time.

Gary likes those numbers if they can be achieved.

You and me, Gary, ain’t nothing but mammals so let’s do it* like they do it on the aerobics channel

*faceys

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:25am

1,000 waves per hour divided by 84 surfers = about 1 wave every 5 minutes, or 12 waves per hour, per surfer.

Texas BSR pool is US$75/hr for 'intermediate' waves, US$90 per hour for 'expert' waves (roughly AUD$105 / 125)

Snowdia is GBP45/hr for 'intermediate' waves and GBP50/hr for 'advanced' waves (roughly AUD$80 / 90)

Taking a rough mid point guess on pricing, and rounding (since this is all guesswork), expect to pay in the ballpark of:

'intermediate' waves AUD$95 / hour or AUD$8 per wave

'advanced' waves AUD$105 / hour or AUD$9 per wave

assuming an orderly queue or whatever. if it's a shitfight with 83 other surfers then who knows

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:20pm

Another perspective. 1000 waves per hour is 16.6 waves per minute, which is one wave every 3.6 secs. Talk about short period swell! What a wave machine that is!

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:16pm

Looks like there's going to be two breaks so swell period is 7.2 secs by your calculations. Not that swell period means much in a pool.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 9:45am

Good point Vicco.

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:48am

I’d pay $100 an hour to see what’s it’s like the first time.
I’m imagining it could be something you do for a bit of fun every few months or 6 months or whatever. Head up with a few mates, couple beers and I reckon it could be great fun.
Pick up VicLocal on the way

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Walk around G commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:00pm

I'm with you GF, a once a year boys surf/catch up 'n' beers, or if we have a really bad run for say....3-4 weeks with absolutely no waves, then I'd also probably be keen.

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lostdoggy commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:08pm

VicLocal is taking his tours there I think.

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Nick Bone commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:20pm

#neverforgetviclocal

I am the bone

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:02pm

Thanks goofyfoot. Bags front seat on the journey up.
I did a drive by of the site last week and if they can get this thing up and running by Easter, their builders are going to have to pull some all-nighters.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:21pm

Only one seat on the Vespa mate, hold on tight!

But seriously, looks like it would be a bit of novelty fun hey

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Baconeater commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:49am

At $100 an hr...it will be novelty stuff only. Who could afford to surf there 2-3 times a week for $300....

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:58am

Remember, there's a much broader market than standard recreational surfers pushing through the turnstile every Thursday after work.

I recall hearing offhand that the day rate for Kelly's pool is about US$50K and it's booked out quite well in advance by business groups. Not much different that a Corporate Team Package for Tough Mudder or similar.

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:06pm

Will Finnegan gives that price (or something very similar) in his New Yorker article.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/17/kelly-slaters-shock-wave

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:22pm

That was a great piece.

"Bobby Morris, a contractor from Santa Barbara, admitted that he had his board with him, in his van, just in case. He and I were at a prime spot on the west wall, just north of the control tower. From there, we looked straight into the long barrel section in the middle of the right. With a berm of sand-colored plastic in the foreground, it could seem, for long moments, as if we were watching an excellent surfer pulling into a dream section on a sand point. “I’d pay a grand to surf it for a day,” Morris said, huskily. “Maybe six friends, one grand each. Definitely.” I didn’t tell him that the going rate for a group, I had heard from a W.S.L. official, was fifty thousand dollars a day. I also didn’t mention some other things I had heard: that all available days this year had been booked, and that Gulfstream jets were now often seen at the nearby Visalia Municipal Airport."

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Blowin commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 11:56am

Surely there’d be discounted season passes similar to those offered to the weirdos who enjoy going to SeaWorld every second weekend.

Too much chlorine flavoured urine is never enough.

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indo-dreaming commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:18pm

Could be worth a session on the way to Indonesia, kind of a warm up.

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channel-bottom commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:47pm

This. I see it similar to those indoor ski fields, use it once or twice before a snow trip to tune up if you haven't been up the mountain for a while.

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GuySmiley commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:31pm

Perhaps readers should be thinking of the extra numbers pools like this will eventually put in the surf at existing and already over crowded surf breaks around the major population centres on the East Coast? More likely than not to dramatically increase them.

Didn't the Channel 9 news last night just lap up the spiel with the spokesperson excitedly telling the cub reporter they hoped to be operational at Easter "so the visiting pros can try out this world class wave" .... mmm, just the usual "industry" back scratching.

No surprise we have a story here today probably word for word from Urbansurf's media pack. #mediawatch.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:52pm

Jeez, what a conspiracy.

Yeah, yesterday they issued a press release. Most surfing websites have decided to run something, and (apparently) some TV media covered it last night.

Stu's away this week, so I thought I'd get something up on the site because (a) we've covered wave pools a lot over the last eight years, and (b) I thought it'd attract lots of interesting discussion. Which it has.

No, we haven't received any compensation for running this article (financial or otherwise). I've never spoken to anyone from the company before.

Not sure where you think we've overstepped the mark. Instead of running the press release as-is (it was five pages long, and had thirty high-res images), I've removed all of the gratuitous internal promotion press releases usually have, and run with the facts and statements, as verified with photos.

What should we do? Not run it the content, because there are a few surfers in the community who don't approve of wave pools? Or would you prefer that we only ever look for a controversial angle instead?

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GuySmiley commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:11pm

Nothing wrong in running the story, in fact it would be remiss of you to do otherwise, but if you are going to use text sourced from their media pack ought you not say that as you have correctly done with their photos?

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:14pm

Second sentence: "In a statement, URBNSURF’s Founder Andrew Ross, said...."

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GuySmiley commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:12pm

"By Ben Mason in Swellnet Dispatch"

And that, Ben, appears immediately after the article's large text headline.

"Second sentence: "In a statement, URBNSURF’s Founder Andrew Ross, said...."

A more transparent approach would have been to start the story, 1st paragraph /first sentence with ..... "Below is a story using edited text from Urbansurf's press release from yesterday ...".

So no more hair splitting, I don't care if you accept what I'm saying in the slightest, I've made my point.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:17pm

“By taking the guesswork out of surfing, we’ll be able to offer Sydney’s 200,000-[plus] surfers, along with aspiring residents and visitors, the opportunity to surf more safely, more conveniently and more often,” said Andrew Ross, Urbnsurf’s founder and chairman, in an official statement.

https://www.broadsheet.com.au/sydney/city-file/a-giant-surf-park-approve...

“Sydney is blessed with a number of great surfing beaches, but access to those beaches and overcrowding in the line-up is becoming an increasing issue,” Andrew Ross, founder of the Wave Park Group, the group developing Urbnsurf, said in a statement.

https://www.adventuresportsnetwork.com/sport/surf/new-wave-pool-coming-t...

Seems to be the convention.

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:32pm

In any mass media text, you have a variety of voices (e.g. sources, author, editor), and how these are identified / attributed varies widely. In some ways, the author 'owns' the content of the writing, but they can align theselves with (so and so proved ...), distance themselves from (so and so claimed ...), or be relatively neutral in relation to (so and so said ...) the other voices in the text. There are a variety of rhetorical devices that can be used.

In the headline + byline + 7 pars of this text, attribution (explicit and implicit) includes:

By Ben Matson in Swellnet Dispatch

URBNSURF Melbourne have announced

In a statement, URBNSURF’s Founder Andrew Ross, said

is expected to be

The company says

is anticipated to create

This is a pretty far cry from the increasingly common practice of 'shovelling' media releases out as news.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:46pm

Absolutely.

We actually have a 'Press Release' function in our CMS, which removes the author's attribute display, and labels it as a press release - but I chose not to use it, as most of the press release information was superflous.

You can read the original press release here, and see what I chose to leave out: https://www.medianet.com.au/releases/172121/

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Vic Local commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:12pm

And I thought I was pedantic. Ben's shown more fricken journalistic skills than 95% of the "churnalists" who derive their income from copying and pasting press releases in their entirety.
If you lot are going ballistic over this, how the hell do you cope with the shithouse state of our commercial media, who make the big $$$ pushing barrows for their pay masters.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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hamishbro commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:28pm

Agree entirely. Ben you have done everything right.

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 9:41am

+1

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memlasurf commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:24pm

Guy were you teachers pet at school in English?

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:37pm

I definitely paid attention in English class.
Though to be honest I cannot remember everything twenty odd years later.
Increasingly though I see Journalists on other websites make beautiful mistakes, like starting a sentence with and or but.
Or a paragraph with because...
I don't ever write about it though.
Each time I visit the comments I do enjoy reading and writing though. It keeps the mind active and alert.....
Add in Sharkman Vs Greg Webber , then pass me the pop corn ........LOL .

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memlasurf commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:22pm

Me too but it is over 40 years ago. My grammar is atrocious and all this stuff Jacko is on about is gold. I too like to be somewhat verbose in my posts to practice the written word. Having read a number of books about the evolution (which is continuous) of the English language it is no wonder non or us has really got a great handle on it.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:39pm

The wave of words......

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Daisy commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:19pm

There are always the naysayers, the conspirators and the doomsday mongers.
These pools will most likely be a success. If you don't like them, don't use them. Good article Swell net.

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geek commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:59pm

It could go either way with crowds. Surfers that grow up in chlorine might not bother with real waves when you have to battle sweep, rips and unpredictability. And from a Vic perspective, people that live near Tullarmarine that can go to the wave pool regularly are not going to be surfing before work on the coast. When they start popping up near the coast encouraging non-surfers in the area to start surfing then we have a problem

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:47am

It's interesting to consider when a ski resort operates how many skiers and boarders actually go outside of it for slopes into backcountry outside of the lift area.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:02pm

@Guysmiley.
I must say that from my perspective, swellnet stands to lose more from the wave pool than just about anybody.
So I just don't understand the logic of why they would promote the mediabooklet verbatim.....
Regardless I find it a very brave thing to even promote articles like this on here (swellnet).
Ben,Stu,Craig and co do an amazing job surf forecasting and creating content and promoting other surf related content.
We should be more than grateful of the service they provide. They do an amazing job.
Instead you do what? Go figure .....

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thermalben commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:03pm

Interesting to look back on the timeline via Swellnet.

2013 article about URBNSurf and Wavegarden:
https://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2013/06/10/wavegarden-stake-th...

2014 forum post (thanks ID!):
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/596467

2016 announcement that they'd be opening in late 2017:
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2016/04/07/australias-fi...

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frog commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:32pm

Be a fun surf every now and then. Not sure how the queueing works. I could imagine nervous take offs if you have to worry about heading to the back of the line if you blow your wave then conservative surfing till the end section for similar reasons. It would be hard to not think "this wave cost me $10" and to ignore the line of frothers watching you critically from the queue.

A bit like being at Snapper and finally an empty wave comes your way and everyone is watching ready to either pounce or give you the stare if you stuff it up.

Frogg

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Fed commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:40pm

The Wavegarden/Snowdonia open in UK can host 3 advanced surfers on each side of the pool (on the right and on the left of the train):
the first guy catch the first wave in one direction, then stop, the second guy (waiting at the other end) catch the next wave in the opposite direction, then stops, the third guy (waiting where the first guy started from) catches the next train, then stops, the first guy catches his second wave going back, then stops, and so on.
3 guys on each side for every hour. Each one waits for 4'30'' for each wave. Each one gets 12 waves an hour. 6 left in one direction, 6 right in the other direction.

312T4

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:32pm

How long does one of these Wavegarden waves last for?

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frog commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 1:46pm

The crowd impact will be interesting having positives and negatives for the ocean surfers. A drive to Bells for a handful of waves and $50 petrol or a pool surf with known costs and numbers of quality waves caught? Some will choose comfort and certainty. Battling it out at Woolami with rips and heavy water or a wave pool? Many will choose the pool - especially those who learn there.

I could imagine new generation wave pool surfers pursuing Indo perfection on surf trips when they get good. But many would find random beach breaks and places like crowded Winki a hassle, let alone wondering about sharks.

If China went surf pool mad I would be worried.

But overall, I could imagine a decade from now, that peak quality ocean days at known spots with straightforward line ups might get hit by wave pool trained crowds, whilst day to day conditions and funky spots or average forecast days being much less affected or even less crowded than today.

Frogg

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Feralkook commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 6:24pm

China is right into it this pool is pumping huge slabs if you believe the tag line ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2saaZFuWNrw
Or it may end up looking like this if they can not get enough boardriders in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpnW0CJEBH8

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memlasurf commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:22pm

Lovely spot to just across the road from the Pokies and Ciloms Airport Lodge, very salubrious accomodation I must say. I wonder if the Essendon Footy Club will have a permanent booking? Melrose Drive is a must see for anybody visiting Melbourne and I am sure all you northerns will find the 10º water temp in August particularly welcoming for your interstate visit.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:23pm

I think that is key Frogg.

Most surfers on the east coast should realise that the vast majority of days at most good spots are totally user friendly.

Any idiot can and does paddle out to Superbank/Pass etc etc.

Pool surfers will find that out very quickly.

You'd have think crowds at user friendly point breaks would be most at risk of blowing out big time if the number of overall surfers was increased by the uptake of wave pools.

That and Indo, which is happening already.

But yeah, close-out beachies will remain gloriously uncrowded.

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:24pm

I think people who learn in the pool will stick to the pool

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 2:29pm

I highly doubt that.

Much more likely they will band together and surf socially at surf breaks on the weekend/holidays etc etc.

And with zero idea about etiquette.

Change is a coming.

What will the consequences be?

Some localities will band together and enforce more rigid forms of localism to try and stave off the chaos. Thats a typical primate/human response to a situation of scarce resources/territory.

Others will be overrun by sheer force of numbers, like what happens now at certain breaks.

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gcuts commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 3:42pm

Interesting bit of history on this you dug up @thermalben

So, what's the history of Webber wave pool spruiking and delivery? Surely you are over running his puff piece marketing BS spin by now.

And, just for comparison, what does that Logan based, Webber wave pool, development site look like ATM? Has construction even started yet?

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 3:58pm

i’m really curious about surf lakes (occy’s pool) but they’ve gone very quiet since the initial underwhelming release

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:06pm

Marvelous structure sheer/failure unfortunately. Think it ran at half pace for three days from reports. Then kaput....

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:52pm

i know sweet f-a about the physics, but i suspect they need a bigger bowl (or whatever they call the metal thing they drop to make the waves). and i'm guessing they need an exponentially bigger bowl (and machinery to lift it, power to run it, etc) to get a relatively small return in wave size. if that was the case, i could see it sinking the whole project since they'd need to drain the pool, re-engineer a whole bunch of stuff and that would be serious $$.

but it seems to me to be the most feasible approach to making a viable wave pool since one wave can break on a whole bunch of reefs simultaneously. but again, i know absolutely f*ck all about science or engineering side of it all

(like how i started those last 2 sentences LD?)

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:17pm

Re sentences LOL.

Re wave pool, SurfLakes

With the situation at Surf lakes.
They first built the wave prototype at a smaller scale. The concept worked fine.

They then went all in Building a large scale full sized model to produce waves. (Without proper engineering analysis or they disregarded the Engineers analysis / physics computations.
From all accounts that I have read they then invited the pros and media to Surf it without any trail runs. (Dangerous concept). The wave machine runs specifically on a certain timing that produces the waves.
I'm not sure what happened though the machine failed /sheered the actual column that supports the wave maker (plunger) .
We have to remember than water has a very unknown variable as far as materials Vs. Physics Vs water resistance/ displacement. I will have to watch the video again.

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ojackojacko commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:24pm

>>I'm not sure what happened though the machine failed /sheered the actual column that supports the wave maker (plunger) .

whoa - I saw vids or pics of that column before they put it in. it's a very big structure. fixing that is not going to be easy or cheap, and if it failed on basically the first go then they have a whole bunch of more fundamental problems

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shoredump commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 7:13pm

They said they had to totally rebuild that column

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 4:32pm

Everyone's who's worried about crowds, here's the deal.
Melbourne for how large it is, has relatively a small surfing population.(most also live an hour from the waves).
Coupled with the fact it has the coldest waters in the mainland Aust, really stifles the chances of creating a strong youth surfing population.
The waves can also be super heavy. Conditions uninviting, coastal real estate is super expensive. It really doesn't allow for the same talent pool as say Sydney, Newy, Goldy, Sunny Coast. I don't think crowds should be a factor....
I haven't lived there(Vic ) in ten years though... I just can't really see it changing anything though....

To surf in Vic you have to be super committed and have at least two good wetsuits in my opinion. There's also plenty of uncrowded waves also... Cue Vic Local....

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 8:02pm

Yep nailed it

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brainiac commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:08pm

Ha Lanky Dean,
sorry Im not Vic local, but things have changed. Crowds are now a major factor in Vicco and all levels of surfing etiquette have gone out the window. The last 5 years have become a shit fight at the big name spots. I don't know if you have been to Torquay in the last 10 years, but i bet you would be blown away. The rampant soulless development has ruined it. Basically Geelong to Torquay is almost now one big stretch of mundane bland shit fight suburbia. To give you a brief idea - one housing subdivision in Ocean grove is set for- on completion 2500 homes over the next 5 years( they are already well in to it) and to top it off a farmer just on the other side of the road 300 mtrs up, has sold 200 acres to a developer. Times are a changing and the surf coast crowds will only increase with more wave pool learners wanting to explore the ocean. Its Sad.

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Lanky Dean commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 1:23am

Yeah...... If you live in the juc, you're pretty much stuck for half the year surfing pretty ho hum waves.(apart from bells n winki) Lorne became a satellite suburb of Melbourne twenty years ago. (Church reference).
Pretty sure that number beach would be pretty crowded.
I was always surfing solo when I lived in Vic.
Victoria the place to be....well used to be ....

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brainiac commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:56pm

In saying all that the crowds have such a sheep mentality and they can be escaped......

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greyhound commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:17pm

These stinkin pools aren’t going to improve anyone’s paddle fitness are they. So unlikely that this place will turn newbys or part timers into meaningful wave competition. A massive part of a good surf session is being able to power back to the takeoff zone.
Repeatedly.
Enjoy your mademade crap.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 5:25pm

Enjoy your manmade handicap*

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SecretSpot commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 6:17pm

So I was involved in some market research for this pool (agreed to under the promise of receiving a free double pass, yet to materialise). I don't think there was an NDA, but I'll keep it to a few amusing/interesting things I remember. Reminder: not an employee, just stuff I remember from the session, may not be accurate etc etc.
- The prices they were throwing around sounded about what people have calculated/speculated about above, maybe a touch cheaper. I do remember thinking that the yearly pass didn't seem like such a great deal vs individual sessions, specially because they talked about the pool closing around 6 in winter.
- Also regarding winter was a comment the moderator made, something like "Oh yeah, don't worry because there'll be hot tubs next to the pool so you can stay warm between waves/after a session in winter". How cold is it going to get?
- Waves sounded pretty decent, a barrelling "reef" wave and a softer intermediate/beginner wave. They said you'd book a session for a single wave, ie: the reef left, or the intermediate right or whatever, and you'd surf just that wave for the hour. I remember the figure of 14 waves/hour per person?
- It sounded like it would be amazing for coaching: knowing the wave/having a good location for the coach/being able to talk between waves etc. Prospective new career path for ex pro: touring wavepools around the world, helping chumps from the convenience of a deck chair near the bar.
- They talked about having a boardriders club. Cool but I couldn't stop laughing at the idea of the Tulla boardriders' first competition against the Torquay crew at 8ft Bells.

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shoredump commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 7:34pm

Thanks for sharing

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Jayms commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:15am

Yeah whats the go? I was also involved in the market research. They said December we we would receive our free passes. Nothing yet. I emailed them 2 weeks ago. No reply. Such poor form to get free market research. I remember $2500 per year to surf once per week(50 minute session), 10 to 12 waves. Not heated in winter. Water will get down to 8 degrees apparently.

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gasman commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 10:33am

8 degrees, I can believe it! A shallow body of water like that is going to lose heat real quick on the colder days in winter! Surf Snowdonia shut down their wavegarden over winter, albeit north wales is bloody baltic at that time of year.

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wingnut2443 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 8:03pm

The marketing and development strategy by the various wave pool companies is a story / article in itself.

Kelly n co develop the pool incognito, drop a smokin' clip and have the surf world frenzy to find it's location.

Webber froths n bubbles n darts about with announcements and 'gunna' X 100, and yet still not a sod of soil broken.

Urban surf just get on with it after releasing some info, announcement, but actually get physical progress.

The crew up North, occys mob, develop one but it fails spectacularly.

Business case, marketing, how to n not too, in full view of the world among this lot. Isn't it interesting.

And.

The best wave so far is boring, due to its repetittive nature. Go figure.

And, yep, it's $55k US for a day. Not bad money when you consider the number of waves in a day and exclusive use. Corporate market all over it. Seen the recent pics of Lewis Hamilton, the F1 driver at the pool? Now, that's a whole other level of $$$, audience and linkage.

The pond ain't about us 'average' Joe surfers. It's the new level of corporate.

But still, even with the summer northerlies, I couldn't help but think mother nature, the ocean bliss, was yet still 'better than a pool'.

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 8:21pm

We're still 10-20 years from seeing how the wave pool race will washout.

Not all will succeed which will mean some expensive holes in the ground.

Wonder how much water to fill it and how much electricity needed to run it.

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:14am

Agreed, this is a longer term 'race' ... but one I suspect that will be 'won' by the 'group' or 'developer' that has the better business / marketing / development strategy. The product, the wave, is only one element of that equation. Yes, a large element, but other factors such as the overall development, location, pricing, user mix, etc etc will also factor into the mix of 'who' or 'which' succeeds.

Like now, Webber is 'claiming' a much better wave, but has yet to produce a development that is even breaking ground. Others, like UrbanSurf have got on with it, even if the wave isn't as great ... then, of course, Kelly n Co, have the leverage and linkage with WSL and KS the 'marketing' power.

Will this all unfold like computer operating systems and phones. 80% of the world use one type of computer operating system, and one type of phone system. The other, roughly, 20% held by the same company in both spaces.

But, as users we can chose the brand / model of computer with that 80% market share OS and same for phone(s). The 20% market share has 'their' devices and products.

Wave pool tech #1 vs others ... which will get the 80%? Which will have the 20% 'exclusive' .. ???

Or.

Will this be like the old VHS vs Beta 'video tape' race, won by another, yet to be developed technology, surpassed again as technology improves?

The key IMO is how well the 'company' / 'developer' / 'wave tech owner' develops their product, pool, concept and for that, as I said, the efforts to date show very different strategies.

Is there another "Kelly n Co" approach secret wave, better tech, better wave, better WOW, being developed ready to blow the minds of the surf world? What's happening in China?

And, yes, the tech component of energy needs is a key factor. That may well prove to be the key strategy for success of failure.

Surfboard Design and Construction Kook. Evidence is here: www.ffwsurfboards.com.au
*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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shoredump commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 8:59pm

The one in Spain is 1.7m, this one is 2.0m

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Solitude commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 9:02pm

I can’t really imagine that people’s level of stoke would remain that high to surf the same small wave over and over.
I bet If you asked the pro’s hand on heart what they think of surfing Kelly’s pool there’d be at least 50% who’d be happy flag it for a real wave.
I guess reasons for why people surf is changing with each generation and as Ben said earlier, us everyday surfers probably aren’t their main market.
Give me that close out beachie to myself, turn up enough and those barreling days with no one out come

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PCS PeterPan commented Thursday, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:09pm

Wave pools . . . MEH !

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Legrope commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 2:08am

Thanks for the article Ben. Good work. Definitely got the crowd revved up. I think I'll stick to whipping into 50 waves behind my ski at 40k's an hour for 3 hours burning 25 litres of fuel at an empty head high beachie. Very easy to do. Costs 30 bucks for 2 people and stoke for weeks. All numbers game. Who's the winner. The biggest grinner.

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wingnut2443 commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:16am

Horse for courses.

I couldn't think of anything worse than the fumes n noise.

Give me the empty beachie to paddle around and catch waves, enjoying the ambience of peace and wildlife any day.

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*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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Solitude commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 5:08am

Ski, head high beachie?

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Legrope commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:50pm

Just comparing the numbers to getting waves in a wave pool. I prefer paddling at a solid reefbreak but when conditions are not prime, take advantage if it's suitable. It's actually quite fun getting 3 or 4 very high speed turns before it closes out compared to a less fun, 1 slower turn to close out. See a peak 100mtrs away? you'll catch it. Can't do that paddling. Can get surfed out in 10 minutes and stoke level is much higher. Going way faster and a ridiculous amount of waves surfed in a short period. Try it somewhere where no one is looking and you'll be smiling for days.
*I don't condone jetski use around any other people in the water. Stay at least 500mtrs away or more.

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Solitude commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 8:52pm

I think that’s my problem, there’s been a
fair few head high and a bit days in my neck of the woods where some pelican with a ski is buzzing around out the back or even next peak down.
I’m glad you say you go where no one else is. EVERYONE in the water think guys close by on skis are tools and EVERYONE is bummed to have noise, pollution and the general safety worry that skis bring.
No one is jealous of guys on skis.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 8:15am

My two cents on wave pools and crowds in Vic.
The standard walk-in customer at a wave pool is going to be a complete novice looking for a one-off experience. In other words, the guests will be looking for a surf school type experience. (And don't fucking start with that Vic Local runs a surf school BS).
At the advertised price per session, it would cost a small fortune for a beginner to develop enough skills to be competent in the ocean.
The argument that a wave pool will increase the profile of surfing, getting more people into the sport, is tenuous at best.
Here's 10 other factors that have resulted in massive crowds on the Surf Coast.
1. Population explosion in soulless places like Armstrong Creek/ Ocean Acres etc.
2. Casualisation of the workforce
3. The proliferation of small business owners on the coast who have flexible work hours.
4. Fit as fuck older surfers. Donny is 75 and still surfing the pop. in 1980, 30 was an old surfer.
5. Deakin Uni expansion bringing more uni students into the region.
6. The increased international presence of hangers on for the Rip Curl Pro. Is there a bigger pest in the water than a 23 year old "assistant sales executive" touring head office in Torquay.
7. More clueless backpackers who want to tick "surfed Bells" off their bucket list.
8. Much better wetsuits getting crew into the water and extending session times.
9. Social media and fuckwits rocking up to the beach and getting on their phones a nano second after the first decent set rolls in.
10. Surf Forecasters whipping Melbourne surfers into a frenzy with long range predictions of great waves allowing people to reschedule their work and family life.
If you reckon a surf pool in Melbourne will cause crowds in Victoria, I reckon you're missing the bigger picture.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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tango commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 1:52pm

Great summary, VL.
I'd add that the forecast froth extends to more than Melbourne surfers, though - they're coming from all over the place when the A-grade days get called...planes, trains and automobiles. The shame is that the froth regularly doesn;t match the reality, and so the sneakier still-good days get packed out as well. It's a shame that a lot of the post-session banter is about how uncrowded it was rather than what the actual waves were like.

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drchris commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 7:31am

probably the biggest culprit to the crowd factor VicLocal is the rampant development of the surf coast (see note about ocean grove). spring creek development set to add 1950 new 'dwellings' to torquay, and disgraceful land destruction around horeshoebend road, 'north torquay' and west on gross mans' road no better. Armstrong creek feeding into Posso's and everywhere else doesn't help. summers busier than ever, and winters now harder to find a empty wave.

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 8:58am

Well said..

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ringmaster commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 11:17pm

The difference a wavepool in Melbourne will make is 5/8ths of fuck all. The horse has already bolted on the Surfcoast:

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freesurfer1977 commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 9:46am

Don't know what all the fuss is about, you can't stop progress! It's just like lifts up a mountain at a ski resort to me, it'll be a thing of the past.

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Fleazool commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:16am

If the capacity numbers are correct the pool may have the reverse effect on crowds pulling seemingly hundreds per day out of coastal carparks? I don't see those numbers being filled on an ongoing basis though.
Also can't see anyone progressing from beginner to even intermediate level at $10 per wave or whatever. It would cost a fortune to get the time on the board to do so.

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Fed commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:40pm

Yea, not cheap, but you have the certainty to try your moves on the same waves for a dozen times in 1 hour. I can't do it in Queensland with the crowd factor. I may catch 4 -good- waves in 2 hours. The first one and the second I don't want to fuck them up. The third, I attempt something, the fourth I fucked up. Done for the day and for the week. Progress: 0.03%.
I'm happy to spend a weekend a year with the missus in Melbourne and book 2 hours (24 attempts) to boost my moves. No worries at all.

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Fleazool commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:59pm

Yeah progression for already competent surfers is valid but to go from fully fledged beginner to anyone who's gonna be a nuisance in the ocean would require big bucks.
Queensland hey. I thought it was a surfers paradise?

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Fed commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 4:17pm

Ah ah ah! yea..

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ron commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 10:55am

10 good points there VicLocal.

How long does it take a non surfer to learn, progress to a short board, get paddle fit and then become a problem in good waves? Years? If its over 2 foot a wave pool surfer will not make it out at most spots.

$100 an hour seems insane to me. Everyone complains about lift tickets in Australia being $120+ now and thats for a full day! 12-14 waves an hour is the best case scenario. Allow for wipeouts, people getting in the way, and you are down to less than 10. Not very inviting from my perspective. $ for fuel, $100 for the hour, food etc, get 10 ok waves in a pool next to the freeway with planes constantly flying over head, people watching waiting their turn, I'm pretty sure i'd regret not just surfing for free at the beach and getting about 20 waves in 1-2 hours as usual.

For any actual surfers within an hour i'd say the price for a year will be of much more interest. Also prices for 2-3 hour sessions with your own group and a coach etc.

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David Hunt commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 11:49am

Its a great Idea for a business. Broadmeadows ice dealers (often from very religious families) have the cash to surf there - learn to surf there. After all look at what the Russians (mafia?) have done for Indo Boat Trips in last 10 years.

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hillsintas commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 2:02pm

Who can translate Chinese?

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Lanky Dean commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 2:29pm

That's easy. ...Gary g can ; )

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Gary G commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 8:35pm

Gary speaks the international language of love, although if you're looking for tales of hijinks caused by language barriers then Gary'll tell you a great story about a trans-later

You and me, Gary, ain’t nothing but mammals so let’s do it* like they do it on the aerobics channel

*faceys

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wallpaper commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 8:22pm

中国清丰极限运动基地
Qingfeng Extreme Sports Headquarters - located in Qingfeng, Henan Province, China

check the three vids below. think the first one is the one that's on youtube, and judging from the camera angles, even though they're claiming it's Asia's biggest wave machine (and I'd say they're right on that) I'm not sure that they're quite sure what it actually does yet.

Vid 2 shows you the rest of the general idea - BMX, climbing, a picture of surfing -you know - all that extreme sports stuff.

Vid 3 shows you what the poor bastards who got enlisted to make the place had to put up with in the er cooler months. They're saying something about it being for some Olympics or other...Bejing's got the winter ones in 2022 - maybe they're going to use the wave pool for ice skating (and as a bubble bath in the summer months perhaps)

https://v.qq.com/x/page/i0831llhas2.html
https://tw.iqiyi.com/v_19rr4qrf34.html
https://tw.iqiyi.com/v_19rqso3o9k.html

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simba commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:13pm

well lets hear it for south korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvjmPP44D4o

simba

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Fed commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:30pm

The Wavegarden/Snowdonia open in UK can host 3 advanced surfers, + 3 intermediate and 8 beginners in the water at any time. On one side of the pool. But the pool has 2 sides. That's at least 28 paying customers per hour.
The train runs every 90 seconds, back and forth, making 40 waves per hour.
They calculate 28 people x 40 waves = "1120 waves" an hour.
There's no "swell period" to be calculated because it's a marketing trick.
The advanced and intermediate surfers wait for their wave for 4'30'' each time, surfing 13 waves per hour.
For advance surfers:
the first guy catch the first wave in one direction, then stop, the second guy (waiting at the other end) catch the next wave in the opposite direction, then stops, the third guy (waiting where the first guy started from) catches the next train, then stops, the first guy catches his second wave going back, then stops, and so on.

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adambol1 commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 3:50pm

I reckon this will playout similar to Rampfest. Started out full of scooter driving grometts, lots of injuries, hassels then got systemised and numbers dropped off. I'd give it a go when there are less numbers, when an ocean surf is not on (say 2 am when I'm returning from a flight)

If it was easy eveyone would do it.

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frog commented Friday, 8 Feb 2019 at 8:08pm

In the 1980s i used to surf spots around bells by myself midweek. I also used to surf in seabreeze and onsbore conditions at prime spots when all the fussy locals stayed home. Sounds crowded these days but victoria has so much surf i still think you would get a swag of waves there if you are not fussy and used your brain. Still things sure have changed but dont forget how good you have got it.
I get swags of waves at the super bank using timing and positioning - just not on the really good days - and that is said by someone who hates crowds.

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icandig commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 9:36am

Crowds from recent developments are ridiculous. Armstrong Creek / Warralilly and other developers have done Geelong, OG and Surfcoast no favours. Shoebox generic aesthetics. YUCK. Some smart crew saw the writing on the wall early and vacated. Known breaks are full of rude and often inept kooks. On the other hand you can still get waves down here with few people around even on the weekend. Timing and a little bit of knowledge works wonders.......................Shhhh..... Not telling where.

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aaronwithadoublea commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 12:11am

"I also used to surf in Seabreeze and on shore"................. Funny no one has mentioned the direction the pool has been built ? South West, (Vic prevailing wind) would be straight 'on shore'

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icandig commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 9:24am

aaron has hit on something here...looks like the position of the pool means more often than not it will be onshore - with prevailing winds SW. Looking at the URBN surf recent facebook post and comparing to google maps, waves will break from the SW towards NW. Offshore here looks to be NW - same as most of the prime surf coast breaks. They'll need a pretty big windbreak to ensure quality most days.

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Feralkook commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 11:19am

I just posted the question about why they oriented it the way they did and how they would mitigate any strong onshore winds. Watch this space when I get a reply I will post it.

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drchris commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 7:40am

the wave turbine looks like it angles north east. the wave closet to airport drive looks like it will be a right and break in a northerly angle the wave opposite, a left, in a more north east angle. I'm guessing a westerly won't favour either, perhaps the left, and both waves will benefit from a due north/NE ?

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thermalben commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 8:05am

Couple of points:

1. 'Onshore' winds are only an problem if there is enough fetch behind the wave. Won't be an issue at a wave pool.
2. I don't have Tullamarine data available, but 'prevailing' winds are not SW in Melbourne: 9am wind rose is mainly N'ly year-round and 3pm is mainly S'ly.

 

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icandig commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 7:12pm

Thanks Ben. Data beats assumptions every time. Is the data for Surfcoast readily available? I'm assuming prevailing is SW based on personal experience, but I could be wrong. Be good to see the facts. P.S. Surely local wind conditions will affect wave faces - even if only marginally?

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drchris commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 7:53pm

hi icandig, here is the link to the wind rose for your 'searching' . interesting to compare local data with tulla,.

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/cgi_bin_scripts/windrose_selector....

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drchris commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 7:51pm

thanks Ben for clarifying the wind point.

On point 2, not necessarily the case; the cumulative wind rose data for 9am for jan for example shows a roughly 50% mix of southerly and northerly data, whilst 3pm is entirely south. whereas for August, 9am is predominenantly west-North as we would expect down here on the surf coast, although the 3pm data looks a little less favourable.

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thermalben commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 8:23pm

I didn’t check the monthly data, just eyeballed the seasonal figures (to get a broad trend overview). 

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icandig commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 10:12pm

Ha ha...thanks Doctor and Ben....might need to ponder this for a bit...the science / maths part of my brain creaks around very slowly.

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:41pm

I think you are amazing with your surf forecast, it’s taking the piss bro

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Feralkook commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 11:13am

I was just reading this interview by Stab magazine at https://bit.ly/2tdAlcn this response caught my eye.
"you can have someone who’s never touched a surfboard before, they can have their first hour with us and be standing up and feeling good. They can have their second hour trimming along a green face and by the third hour they’d be confident paddling around the lagoon, getting into waves themselves."
I am a beginner, and at my age, yes I am a spring chicken punching well over fifty, I see this as an opportunity to practice and consolidate skills such as balance, foot placement, turning and shortening the learning curve.
From my perspective the wave pool is a "simulator", I train people for a living and use simulators and they are very, very effective. It is a tool for the learner that removes some of the danger and environmental constraints and allows them to focus on and consolidate core skills to a much higher level. The "Etiquette"and other environmental constraints we have to deal are still going to be learnt at the beach. For me coming off the back of injury and illness, if the Webber pool was running I would be there in a heart beat to try and shorten my learning curve and increase my fitness and recovery for the ocean. I travel to Melbourne a few times a year, I will definitely give this a crack when it opens and I am down there.
Cheers!

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:43pm

Testimonials are awesome

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Testimonials are awesome

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 2:18pm

Very good update wrap swellnet...

Countries that traditionally allow Hard edge surfboards in wave pools ...
1936 UK / 1966 Japan / 1969 U.S. /1987 S.A. + more recently Euro/Asia

1986 Aust's 1st Wavepool (Still No surfboards)(Aqua-planers were Banned in 2005)
Victoria is yet to allow Surfboards in their Wavepools
East Coast Wave pools(NT/Qld/NSW) permit Soft Surfboards / No leggies

Cost/hour-NT $23/ Qld $30/ NSW $25(min 2hrs)(Choice of 10 wave designs >1.5m)
Includes min crowd/Wave DJ /Lifeguard-Coach/Board/Wettie top/Photo/Drink+snack.
$ 20/hr BYO covers basic costs...$30/hr is peak/premium. (To pay more is a Rip Off!)

2018 W.A. is 1st Oz state to permit Fibreglass Surfboards but no leggies in wavepool
These W.A. fibreglass surfboards are being phased out for M.F. Softies

Surfing Australia runs Grom schools in existing Wave Pools.
2007 Huey's cave of Waves was first Stand up Board Lessons morning hours
[Oz standard]4 min-8 max surfers Softboards per Wave break
URBNSURF [re:4 breaks] 'max' = 32 surfers > OZ Wave Pool safety laws (2007)

URBNSURF dangerously ramps up numbers with banned Fibreglass craft & Leggies
Leggies interfere with conveyor style ride operation. re: [All Clear Next > Ready Go]
URBNSURF wildly rips up commercial OZ Wavepool Safety Guidelines.

Ramping may lead to Compo for (safe) 'Surfing Australia' Wavepool programs.
Hard to believe existing Wave Pools can retrofit fibreglass/Plastic wavecraft.
Ask why just one o/s operator can bypass Oz safe Surfing Wavepool guidelines?

Pollies will bankroll SLSA Sunday sessions for Nippers >> into arvo training sessions.
Wet'n'Wild Sydney Wave Pool runs Oz Surf Groms + Nippers on Sundays

Fri/Sat Nights in W.A.Surf House runs AWM kidz (prizes & comps).
Keen Surfboard riderz will likely be curfewed to surf for the Dole Hours.

As for Surf Comps in Stadiums.
1930's Wavepools had 6,000 seat arenas.Local Municipal swim comps seat 500(min)
Today's wavepool Lords dust off a dozen Corona Beer Umbrellas for the Pro Comps.

Both World's & Oz oldest commercial Wave Pools still operate to packed crowds.

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dreds commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 3:36pm

boys you can keep ya wave pools nothing like a paddle in the brine with mother nature all around ya
good for the soul
i lived on the vics west coast for 30 plus years sounds like the crowd situation is getting bad i moved out about 7year ago the bloody cold water no good for me old bones
i'm now living on a rock in the south pacific warm water and fuck all crowds plenty of surfers come here but the sheep mentality keeps nearly all of them in one area
my advice to you all is keep searching paradise is out there!!

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ringmaster commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 11:23pm

Winning mate. Good luck to ya!

Vic West coast has almost caught up to Aus East coast re; crowds these days.

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barreldogs commented Saturday, 9 Feb 2019 at 8:07pm

I remember when I was living on the Gold Coast doing a couple of days down south for a surf trip to a fairly mechanical wave, and adding up the costs of fuel, accommodations etc and worked out the per hour cost for the trip (for waves only) at just over $60. I scored really good 4ft waves, but still had to deal with the intricacies of the locals and other crowds. $100 per hour to get x number of perfect waves per hour guaranteed? Sign me up!!!

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Horas commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 2:10am

Well good for fucken you mate.For me it's not about how many dollars for so many perfect waves it's about being in the OCEAN perfect or not ,full fucken stop.Fuck me .

Horas

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wallpaper commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 9:54am

if it was just about being in the ocean then what have I been thinking what with me wasting that 25 odd grand on surfboards to stand on since nineteen seventy something and 200 odd grand on surf trips to perfect reef breaks since not much later when I could have just stayed home and sat in a rock pool for free fuck me

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:56am

You'd probably have a bigger cowrie shell colection if you did the rock pool thing, too.

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wallpaper commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 6:24pm

don't rub it in

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 10:33am

Just an anecdote from the real world for those who think people will not progress from absolute beginners to being capable of being out in the ocean.

I drove this English guy from London down to Byron the other day. We got chatting. He told me he'd learnt to surf , from scratch, at Snowdonia.

Apparently they have weekend packages......maybe 2 or 3 hundred quid......accom, food and surfing all day in the Pool. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
So 4 or 5 hundred bucks.

1st weekend he went from a foamy going straight in the white water to a mini-mal cutting across the green face.
2nd weekend he was on a Firewire shortboard cutting across and doing elementary turns.
3rd weekend he's going up and down.

He's now a surfer for an investment of 3 weekend and $1500.
Chicken feed for a guy making good money in the city.

He now travels looking for surf.
Been to Indo etc etc.

I thought he might have been bullshitting me but ran into him surfing 4ft punchy Tallows.
How did he get out? Followed every other cunt out in the rip at Cosy Corner.

Could he surf?

Kind of. It wasn't pretty to watch but he was in there catching waves and turning.

Seeing that totally changed my thinking on how easy it is to learn when you take all the variability of the ocean out of the equation and guarantee waves to ride.

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:22pm

6 to 8 ft surf

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alsurf commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 10:43am

that was a long drive

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 10:57am

hahhaa......yeah.
Coolie airport to Byron, in actuality.

He was late 20's, early 30's.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:02am

It’s been said before , but in 10 years time you’ll be fondly reminiscing about the crowds of today.

Best hope that virtual reality gets here ASAP.

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:11am

Last winter crowds really went ballistic here.

Small clean days were infested with euros learning to surf.
Biggish clean days were infested with euros learning to surf.

Most east coast point breaks are very easy for people to paddle out in.

The other day I watched this scantily clad euro babe struggling to surf the local semi closeout beach break.
Her boy friend was with her....trying to talk her through it.
She took about 20 mins to get out, most of which entailed her, semi-naked, trying to get her (tiny) Cossie back on.

She finally made it out back. The resulting nose dive take-off was spectacular.

The good old days are right now.

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Lanky Dean commented Monday, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:59pm

Honestly free ride,
There are some really easy entry mellow point waves in your area. Add in plenty of surf schools, tourism and warm water .....
Hey presto..........from an observer's perspective its pretty obvious.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 9:07am

totally, I guess that extends to most of the east coast and even Vic, with modern wetsuits.

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mattlock commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 10:06am

I haven't seen to many scantily clad euro-babes around here...mores the pity.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:37am

Better hope the Aussie dollar doesn’t nose dive anymore or Australia will rocket to global destination No 2 for the Adult learner invasion.

Indo number 1

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freeride76 commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:46am

Mate seriously, I've had several surfs in the last 18months where English speakers have been totally outnumbered by Spanish/portugese/French/German speakers.

The euro kook invasion has been intense.

I heard there are about 500000 overseas students here on study visas.
I think about 499999 of them are living between Suffolk park and Burleigh.

For them, it's safety in numbers.
The first van load to arrive gets the smartphone out and Facebook livestreams it to their mates and calls them in.

When they overwhelm a break with sheer force of numbers the resulting chaos prevents any kind of normal regulation.

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:02pm

Hey mate, I don’t wanna sound like a troll, think of the indigenous people, history repeats

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:50am

Thanks freeride76 for sharing colourful (Eurotrippers [L]ogbooks)
Fantastic weekend read & fabulous detail embedded into storylines...Look out Stu!

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Lanky Dean commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 11:52am

Just like to note that some people are mentioning Kswc as being a viable option.
Not sure how much a wave costs . it just doesn't seem a viable option for a surf park.
Has anyone here surfed the Kswc fiasco?

Probably not as no one could afford it ?

Have any local shapers in Vic built or designed a wave pool board yet?

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Blowin commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 12:04pm

Surf Nazis must die !

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:15pm

What’s a surf nazi?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:36pm
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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 7:58pm

Gold blowin, love it, well done brus

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dangerouskook2000 commented Sunday, 10 Feb 2019 at 2:59pm

Looks like its going to aimed at the haves. At those prices, they've gone mad!!!

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 1:45pm

URBNSURF in Jan/19 launched a new open info site... by Feb it's sub' access only?

If any Swellnetonians jumped the URBNSURF sharknet...feel free to share intel.
Love to know if Basherz can crash thru these Fibreglass sealed Cement Ponds?

I scrounged around to get an 'Elite Precinct' Australian Surf Business sample-bag.
https://asbmag.com/urbnsurf-raises-28-3-million-for-australias-first-sur...

[WARNING] URBNSURF is recycling 100% Melbourne Airport PFAS Stormwater
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-31/toxic-chemicals-spread-into-water...

Pause!
URBNSURF reckon they can achieve near drinking water quality into Wavepool. WTF
Gold Coast Airport has the only East Coast PFAS Plant...None would drink that water.
Hi tech state of the art PFAS Plant would cost more than the WavePool.

URBNSURF filtration could free 100 Oz Towns of PFAS. (Oz day medals all round!)
Huge claim! Not even started to build it let alone filtrate? (Something Smells Fishy!)
Mrs Marsh: PFAS tastes great & eats thru wetsuits like water gets into this chalk.'

300,000 + visitors/year...(note: Summer madness + (non heated) Winter Boycott!)
All 'non surf' spectators must pay entry fee...(Sorry!)
All surfcraft are permitted including Logs + SUP's (Again Sorry!)
84/Surfers > 6 zones (14 surfers each break) Surfing Aust standard is 4 /Oz max is 8
Pricing is via Membership Tier / Surf Zones / per Hour
3 tier Training Squads [L]>[P]>{#1}
Beach Club/Fitness Club. (Rip Curl hire wettie fees for all Beach-Wave Classes).

As said in above comment SLSA (Pokies) Club + RLS Victoria are frothin'.
URBNSURF Boardriderz Club.
Essendon FC brunch dip (Mad Monday Media Lockdowns)
Banky Wave Pool Wallpaper Gallery / Miss Myer pet wavepool model runway

Swellnetonians can dip their toes into current Wavepool fare to compare.
East Coast Wave Pool Pricing $22-$30/hr (All are Premium- all inclusive packs)
10 wave settings to 1.5m are determined by Surf Coach as to Class ability level.
[L] 2hr Before/Post open hours(Approx)

WA Surf House is a truer 'Surfboard Culture' Commercial Wave Model.
$80/hr (Board + Helmet included) Lockers are extra.
3 month Pass $600 entitles max 30 mins / day (3mins only)
Free entry for Spectators...No mention of BYO Board savings ???
3 wave settings + speed dial
{Important}
*Sweetspot 'Pro' setting is reserved for The Boyz Sat' arvo > night boozefest !

Flow'wave allows 4 min-10 max surfers each session (2 buddies can party wave)
Schools (Part/Full/Multi day or a/h + Term Packs) = [L] Fridays Midday to Evening
'Partyhour lineup for half hour settings thru any given day (8-12 guests)

The Wavepool recipe is same here as everywhere.
[L] dose Riverdance feeds Friday Kidzfest ramps up Sat Night Pro Disco Splashdown.
Sunday morning Nippers recycle the Coronas from the deep end.
More Mad Monday shameful displays ...

Same as your local wavebreak only with artizan brewed slime for Vic elite precinct .

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Adam71 commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 6:58pm

Go the wave pool, bit of virtual living, I hope it happens, me I prefer the ocean & always will, one question, why is society & the powers that be always trying to ???

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 8:07pm

URBNSURF bypasses convention by resourcing toxic sites.

Wavegarden cove R & D site sits at 'Home' World Tooling capital Basque Country.
Water (Top Ups- release) by local River.

Slum Lord Sites...

Snowdonia was a derelict Toxic Aluminium Plant
Wavepool Water supplied cheaply by Plant-Lakes > Old Hydro Dam.

NLand was built on vacant cattle dip Ranch site
Wavepool Water supplied by neighbouring onsite cut canals > reservoir
This got a bit messy with local Govt...Turn of a phrase saved them...see below.

Melbourne site is built on Toxic PFAS Airport Site
Wavepool Water is harvested from Airport Runoff.

Sydney site is Built on Toxic PFAS dump site.
Wavepool Water aims to tap into Sydney Park Water reuse project

Perth is also built on Classified Toxic Dump (2003) Restricted Use.
Wavepool Water is to be sourced & filtered from on site Groundwater Supplies.

It seems the Toxic Sites override standard site inspections due to Toxic site Hazards.
Cheap 2nd rate Water supply sources relabel the thirsty park as Eco friendly!
"Wave Lagoon" is exempt from 'Wave Pool' Water Quality + Pool Safety Laws.
These guys would make Qld Whiteshoe Brigade blush.

Don't say swellnetonians never tested the waters & I won't say I told you so!

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truebluebasher commented Tuesday, 12 Feb 2019 at 11:37pm

In case you're wondering a Wave 'Lagoon' (Park) is approx 20,000 square Feet.
Larger body of water bypasses annoying Pool laws. Self certifies as in Festivals.
Kidz drop like flies at Oz Festivals...never have to refund a Ticket. [ Stamp here ]
Well worth reading the boring detail...(US version)
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/did-the-brain-eating-amoeba-scare-reveal...

Here's latest Airport Wavepool PFAS report...(Race 12 set wave 3 for a clean ride)
http://www.greencareer.net.au/archived-news/melbourne-warned-of-pfas-rivers

URBNSURF Snowdonia had 2 lining tears & NLand tear flooded the neighbourhood.
A tiny tear in Oz Pool lining (Lifeguard sounds PFAS Alarm) [ WAVEPOOL CLOSED ]

Splash ( Issue 111 ) April-May 2017 (Pages 48-53) [Check out Oz Wavepool wrap]
https://issuu.com/theintermediagroup/docs/splash_april_-_may_2017

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icandig commented Wednesday, 13 Feb 2019 at 12:44pm

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/surf-rage-on-the-rise-at-surf...

Surf Rage on the Surf Coast. Article features comments from a local surfing legend rumored to be employed as a coach at URBn surf.

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udo commented Thursday, 4 Apr 2019 at 4:31pm

Pool ready to be filled...Waves real soon.

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ron commented Thursday, 4 Apr 2019 at 5:41pm

Any pics?

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billie commented Thursday, 4 Apr 2019 at 5:51pm

"Aerial view from above"

As opposed to "Aerial view"?

Billie

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 4 Apr 2019 at 6:03pm

[NEWS] URBNSURF Adelaide

URBNSURF believe they have found a city site pending structural issues.
Water/Power costs were tricky SA factors
.
*Surfing South Australia are backing URBNSURF Adelaide.

*SA Govt believes it can equally support a Surfing arena as other sports.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/urbnsurf-eyeing-adel...

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 4 Apr 2019 at 6:56pm

tbb apologizes to crew for not giving News Title - Article Date.
Adelaide Advertiser 30/ March /2019
'URBNSURF eyeing Adelaide site to build a wave pool for surfers'

Non subscribers can access story via Adelaide Advertiser 30/March/2019
facebook or Twitter ( 'Wave pool for Adelaide ? Sounds swell' )

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peabo commented Friday, 5 Apr 2019 at 3:38pm

Urbnsurf just potentially gave away the biggest hint at the pricing of this thing on their Instagram.

Despite only days ago saying pricing would be released later in the year (and that it would be in the "double digits" like we should be thankful it's not going to cost over $100 a pop), they just posted a picture of a double pass they are giving away in one of their stories, in which you could clearly see the fine print... which read:

"The nominated pass holder is entitled to one double pass valued of 2 x surf sessions or 2x group surf lessons at URBNSURF Melbourne up to a value of $160."

So we could assume that both surf sessions and lessons will cost $80 each (per hour session?) or we could assume that lessons will be the more expensive of the two and maybe a surf session will be a tad less than $80. Or could we assume that $80 may be the maximum cost once you include board/wetsuit hire etc?

Seems fairly pricey either way ($5-8 per 10 second wave?) but as a Melbournite, assuming the waves are actually good quality at this thing, this will probably be worthwhile once in a while. Especially on weekends when the 5+ hour round trip for a surf is just not going to happen (which is most when you have a 3 year old kid).

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peabo commented Friday, 5 Apr 2019 at 3:44pm

Vicco coastal dwellers should be loving this. Might keep the weekend warriors at bay.

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ShaneAbel commented Friday, 5 Apr 2019 at 3:53pm

$80 per hour would seem reasonable since the developer needs to make return on the investment
The question is simple how,any waves do you get per hour to yourselves how will they control your typical wave hog and how many surfers in the water
1000 waves per hour is amazing that's a wave every 3.6 seconds so they will be close together and turbulence may be an issue

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peabo commented Friday, 5 Apr 2019 at 4:01pm

Is it 1000 waves per hour or 1000 rides per hour? I.e. 40ish people each side of the lagoon, split into advanced out the back and beginners riding the reforms. So 250 waves per group. 10-12 waves each per hour.

In terms of control, I assume you're going to have to queue for your waves.... not sit in a pack like the real deal.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 9:54am

Good work crew.. your reward is an 'Oz Wavepool Shopping Tour' (Original 6/4/2019)
tbb wishes to point out you can ride many other beaut indoor Oz Wavepools
Note: most current wave pools have 10 or more settings for surf Instructors to tweek.
{Key} [L]essons [P]arking (P)arty #Update
(No- s'urf / b'odyboards) (soft'boards) (a'fter / h'ours) (o'ff / p'eak)

1986 GC Wet'n'Wild "Giant WavePool" (No s/b) $79/day
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BC2HCN/people-wading-in-the-giant-wave-pool-at...

2005 NSW"Outback Bay" WavePool (No s/b) $60/day (*best current Oz wavepool)
Love this Skeg checking out empty left line-up!
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g528970-d1551445-...

2006 GC "Hueys Cave of Waves" (No s/b) $85/day + a/h [L] $85/2hrs (soft) Small...
https://static.smarttravelapp.com/data/pois/15625_W1_1513151911.jpg
http://www.travelguide.net.au/listing/wave-pool-surf-school/9975

2010 Darwin "Wave Lagoon"(Bodyboards) $7/day + a/h [L] $200/8hrs (soft-Groms)
see lineup below (currently = *2nd best Oz wavepool with *Sydney)

2013 Syd Wet'n'Wild "The Beach"(No s/b) $70/day + a/h [L] $45/hr (soft) $32 deal
https://www.groupon.com.au/deals/surfing-nsw?CID=AU_AFF_5600_225_5383_1&...
https://www.surfingaustralia.com/states/nsw/news/surfing-nsw-wet-n-wild-...

2018 W.A"Aloha Surfhouse"BYO any/all $78/hr+ $39/hr(o/p)+(P) a/h[L]$200/4hrs
# 2 for 1 Thursdays = $39 each (Commences 27/6/2019)
Please note this an AWM Surfable Flow Barrel (Hybrid) wavepool
https://www.alohasurfhouse.com.au/surf/about-the-waves/
https://www.alohasurfhouse.com.au/

2018 Melbourne "Volcano Beach" (No s/b) $48/day +(Cool tour video) Small...
http://www.funfields.com.au/latest-news/9-news-melbourne-at-new-wave-poo...

2019 Melb."URBNSURF"any/all (2016' Ross-$ 50/hr + $20/hr o/p)[L] $80/hr?

# 6/6/2019(Melbourne Airport URBNSURF Comp Prize 20/12/2018- 6/May/2019)
Ticket/Prize is valid for 6 months from URBNSURF new open date (Spring 2019)
URBNSURF "Double" Pass valued @ $140 as of (20/12/2018) Airport comp start.
tbb hints Hourly fee is averaging out @ (2016-$50 > Dec 2018-$70 + [L] $80)
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Passengers/Terms-conditions/2019-Mel...

(Add -Wavepool Gate Fee) + Airport "Elite Precinct" [P] $29 for 1-2hrs
Skybus $38 rtn (off peak Boards OK)walk from A'Port -Bus/Trams No Boards

URBNSURF (approx)...$40[P] or SkyBus + $5 Entry + $80/hr Wave Pool =($125/hr)

Darwin (Special Review) has approved Surfing Australia groms program.
Note: Darwin Wavepool bodyboarderz (Yr/Pass) $1/week or less than 1.cent/wave
Here's what you get for 1 cent /hour...(Pool changes 10 settings + 20 waves / min)

empty lines anyone?
https://www.topendshortstays.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IOB066834...
Wild Soup Bowl?
https://beachsafe.org.au/beach/nt/darwin/darwin/darwin-wave-lagoon
Ramps Ok?
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255066-d3561491-...
Swashbucklin'?
https://thriftyfamilytravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DSC_0052-min...
Rebounds?
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0a/68/70/7c/the-wave-poo...
Throw Downs?
https://inspiringtravellers.com/darwin-kakadu-australia/

tbb mentioned some baby indoor wavepools check out Pro surfers bath tubs
https://www.visitmelbourne.com/-/media/atdw/melbourne/things-to-do/famil...
https://www.localfitness.com.au/casey-arc-narre-warren/wave-pool-narre-w...

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Amosjo commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 1:45am

Does anyone know the current status of this? I’m about to start work in Craigieburn and this wave pool might just keep me sane from being away from the island!

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peabo commented Thursday, 20 Jun 2019 at 10:47pm

Every time anyone asks on their instagram page, they just refer them to the page to register as a test rider. Must be tens of thousands of people signed up to that list by now.

They did say they would be filling the pool "later this month" on the 28th of May. Whatever that meant to them with 2 days of May to go, it didn't result in a full pool. They still say they're still on schedule to open "later this year".

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Vic Local commented Friday, 7 Jun 2019 at 1:45pm

Sorry Amosjo. A wave pool with a left like G Land and a right like J Bay still won't keep you sane in Craigieburn.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 2:29am

tbb thinks he found a pulse ...maybe a sign of life......beep...^...beep ___________
Twas Easter! Melburnians are betting on Melbourne Spring Racing Carnival opener.

URBNSURF Spring Collection fashion stakes...latest model...
Girlfriend can translate when she's online shopping for her URBN cup fascinator.
http://www.treadmills2019.assuranceautoenligne.co/what-is-there-to-do-in...
You all thought tbb was having you on!...go grab yer girlfriends to sort retard shop talk!
Makes tbb speak seem almost normal...I said almost!

These articles are actually written in code (Really)...It's called 'Lorem Ipsum'
tbb will get Melburnians started by gifting the decoder you'll need.(Serious)

[Pause] I won't rain on Melbourne's Parade ...I promise I never looked!

Here's your {Decoder} You'll need to type in the whole passage of script.
http://demo.atozseotools.com/en/url-encoder-decoder

Take a punt! Could be a Joke or an URBNSURF Golden Ticket (Laugh!)

Same company hooks Sydney URBNSURF -Vissla-Newcastle-Manly in 2019 combo?
http://www.aksesorismuslimpriashopping.rokkmedia.co/store/swim-with-dolp...'s-on:-vissla-sydney-surf.html?x=wwwaksesorismuslimpriashopping

Using Airport Precinct [P] / Skybus-fare + comp ticket value + 2016 >19 inflation.
tbb updated URBNSURF min' $125 -1st hr - above link re: 6 June 2019 comment
After Skybus return fare = Pool rate $80/hr...Car [P] Airport rates click as you $urf.
No tap turning here!

re: China & Surf Lakes have each run a half full bath.

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/456264

https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/10/27/second-look-s...

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icandig commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 7:48am

TB: Decoder is more plagiarist than translating linguist.
I tried both Pataku and True Blue.
Cryptics of the world untie.
Let the pool race begin.

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Distracted commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 9:36am

Heard a whisper they are having construction issues.

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pigdog commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 5:18pm

anything involved with construction looks good on a spreadsheet time line...but in reality on the ground/onsite add 3months min till you start. this joint has a out of the ordinary structure with pumps/valves and hydrollic rams i guess what a cluster fk for the builder and contractors. i want to surf this joint as much as anybody else in vic who surfs but so frustrated with the porky pies of testing easter 2019 in operation spring 2019....bet my left nut the builder goes broke if he has contract completion date. be nice if there insta page has construction updates insted of the stuff which has nothing to do with a wave pool
rant over thankyou

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 22 Jun 2019 at 12:53pm

Who in Victoria isn't having "construction issues"? The reality is, the state government has a massive number of very large infrastructure projects going. This means workers, machinery, and some materials are in very short supply.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 11:41am

Great work icandig ...sorry no Gold Ticket!
Cryptics of the world untie...
"Let the pool race begin."
Seriously! Someone posted several www pages to spruik a pool race start?

[ News ]
Meanwhile at Sydney URBNSURF WavePool site ...Sydney Olympic Park.
Sydney Water...(Contract Work)
Several members of a work crew were overcome by strong fumes.
Thurs May 2nd 2019 One worker complained of light-headedness and nausea.
Fri/Sat ...the same worker returned back to the site.
Sun...This worker then sadly died at home. {R.I.P}
As of this Thursday 20th June 2019 said site is closed until further notice.

Guessing this may directly foul or close any 'future' Wavepool plumbed to same site.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/death-of-worker-at-syd...

Note: NSW/VIC/WA Urbnsurf Oz Wavepool sites are all Govt/council Toxic hotspots.

https://www.remediationaustralasia.com.au/index.php/news-and-views/fring...
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/Web_FS_Remediation_2015.pdf

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-31/toxic-chemicals-spread-into-water...

https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/conservation-management/rive...

Toxic site runoff water is sourced freely or affordably then filtered for Wavepools.
tbb is not suggesting anything untoward as PFAS is tabled as a lesser evil in Oz.
No one is hiding the fact...all seem to be adhering to Aust Govt standards.

Jump on in, the water's fine.
Standard Govt issue Wave Pool wetties...DUCK ROLL COVER
https://www.1millionwomen.com.au/blog/artist-goes-surfing-apocalyptic-wo...

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icandig commented Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 6:32pm

PFAS or brain eating amoeba? - surf park Russian roulette. I was keen to spin.....now I might stick to the ocean.

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 22 Jun 2019 at 8:38am

I think I prefer the ocean.

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 15 Jul 2019 at 4:29pm

swellnet have well informed of PFAS runoff here & Stu's "Something in the water"
https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2019/01/08/something-water

Here again tbb passes on current info... Vic EPA bans swimming/fishing near Airport.

Oz has a long history of Defence,Aviation & Municipal Toxic Dumping on Floodplains.
Massive Seachange shift demanded recreation facilities nearer the coastal cities.
As demand grew, these Larger Toxic Sites were top dressed as Sports Ovals.
As Sports ovals grew to sporting Complexes (Pokies) the hunger for water increased.

Economics demanded cost neutral 'Toxic' groundwater watering of said fields.
Resulting in Sportsmen's injuries that never healed or responded to antibiotics.

Society demanded that a register be established to warn public of risks.
Civic groups demanded Media direct EPA to pressure Councils,Defence & Aviation.

Fast Forward to now...

Councils treat Wastewater to drinking water quality in inner city zones..ABCD scale

Example 1-Sydney Olympic Park a Govt remediated Sports condo Tourism showcase.
Creek & near site is Prohibited as of Thursday 20th June 2019

Today's follow up News of recent death buries toxic link as a lesser evil footnote...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/conditions-at-olympic-park-clean-up-unbe...

Gold Coast PFAS runoff prohibits swimming at WSR Coolangatta Ck/Beach (Kirra)
Ban is still in place since Oct 2017
Airports adopted marine based chemicals + Contain or remediate toxic sites as GCA...
https://enviropacific.com.au/projects/remediation-pfas-impacted-groundwa...

Melbourne Airport PFAS likewise prohibits swimming in nearby Creeks re: Sept/2018
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/melbourne-residents-warned-from-m...

[PAUSE] PFAS shuts over 100 Towns & many more recreational /fishing waterways.

Melbourne Airport are filtering PFAS thru a Wave Pool & containment where needed.
EPA announced Study in Sept 2019...hence the swimming ban (Filtered Surfing?)
note: Wave Pool maybe delayed until report findings? tbb advises crew to check EPA.
Please! Understand tbb is not picking on URBNSURF nor Melbourne Airport.
Just that Vic's roll of the dice is here & now & World is watching your every move!

The whole nation is hosing PFAS over Urban Coastal Wetlands as the norm.
tbb stresses that Large Urban Wave Pools can only afford Toxic Sites + Waste water.
Wave Pools slosh more water than Nuclear reactor...Top grade drinking water is not on.
Consider $10/hr per kid for C Class Oval water or $100 per athlete for A grade Stadium.
URBNSURF filters for Council and charges $80hr for finest drop in town.(Premium)
So now Airport Toxic waste fuels premium cost Wave Pool. (What Govt stops that?)

WA stopped Wavepool on Noise/Loss of Amenity + Council fake notice boards.
Council were charging URBNSURF $700,000 yr for urban Toxic Parkland...
Note: Govts/Councils also grant Huge dollars for innovative Wave Pool Attractions.
WaveParks are new thus premium, now fetching $100/hr anywhere in Oz.
Relocation of Bowls club + Big Union Club would face higher water charges.
Imagine Footy mums & Bowls Grans stumping up $100/hr to compete for water.

tbb reckons this is the underlying reason that Wave pools aren't welcome.
Simply because they upgrade the local murky brew to Yuppie Surf label range.
Fine for White Trash but not decent town folk. Get Out & take yer fancy piss with yer!

Prime real estate demand/s- OZ Govts downgrade PFAS danger. Nothing suss Norm!
tbb wishes Melburnians Wave Of the Day in new URBNSURF Wave Pool.
Common sense dictates all now run a microscope over every City Wave Pool site.

Melbourne Airport EPA : Prohibits Swimming/fishing (Council drinking water is fine)
Public Report released asap / Code: (Involves all parties so could take a while!)
EPA's jurisdiction at Melbourne Airport (Harbouring Urbnsurf Wave Pool) is limited
URBNSURF promise Drinking Quality Water but (Pets/gromites/Pregos are banned?)
https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/about-us/news-centre/news-and-updates/news/20...

In otherwords [ Enter at own Risk ] Sign the prenup...Lets Surf
Melbourne Pool is not Heated...wetties are for hire...

*From the URBNSURF Winter Wardrobe
https://i0.wp.com/modmanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CandideThovex...

In keeping with the URBNSURF hazmat dress code but slightly more nautical...

*Cheap Tuesday hire:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/b5/f1/44b5f152a7eb71dd06918a0ef04e9db7...

*Happy Hour-Surf Rage hire;
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6b/e5/c5/6be5c59b782e705dd9f31e47be5c98b9--bea...

*[L]earner Hire
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/2d/4f/0b/2d4f0b8bf465500894b1f1f8bc2ae94f--vin...

[BEWARE] Bodybash'n Pool Cleaners
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/ac/72/8f/ac728f0a1836e0a44a45fd690fb0d029--afr...

*Politically correct Pet Porpoise Pool undergrads.
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/be/7f/e2/be7fe2b48cb7167951c4d0b948f6d2b7--sto...

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maree-n.kevin commented Thursday, 11 Jul 2019 at 9:59am

Wonderful idea...the coast needs everything to get the tourists coming and SPENDING

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 14 Jul 2019 at 4:09pm

Planning an URBNSURF wave pool safari.
Melbourne Airport Wave Pool is governed by Air Port traffic.
tbb's hassle free Melbourne Airport Wave Pool rules for swellnetonians.
Know before you go & save for your party wave.

WA (sleeps o/n on flight) + (SA / NSW / Tassie -FIFO day returns)Vic Bus +[P] below

Qld cheapie $90 down < > $75 back (basherz + hire crew) BYO Skegz +$50 return.
1st Qld @ Wave Pool Midday DST - Last Drinks @ 5:00pm Qld Time > Flight home!

Walking / Skate / Cycle from Airport to Wave Pool...2.75 km (one way)
Walk has haphazard paths & odd Xings in open traffic & weather (No Taps / Dunnies)
18 Bike racks @ front entry.

(No Municipal Bus or Tram Route)
Skybus $38 rtn...or Cab/Uber...
Bus Access to site is afforded (Free or Wave Pool Air Shuttle is not yet confirmed)
Plan B Tip! Flag Hotel / Bistro shuttle Bus (across Road from Wave Pool)..Boardz?
Note: Boards may work in Surfers favour as Shuttle Drivers see a Quick $20. Shh!

Wave pool has 152 Guest [P](Extra 107 peak)(No rate[P] $ / Free Shuttle mentioned)
(Elite [P] Precinct pricing will be the order of the day)
Melrose [P] $25/day directly across the road + free Air Shuttle
https://www.melrosep.com/rates
Pacific Airport [P] $20/day have totally sussed out New Player URBNSURF [P]
http://www.pacificparking.com.au/blog/melbourne-airport-news/australias-...

Gate entry fee..$1-5 ?
(It is believed all surfers & visitors must fork out this gate fee) Why?

$70-$80/hr Wavepool (Based on inflation until opening day!) Cheaper Deals on offer!

Wettie hire? (Urbnsurf is the only 'non heated' wave pool in Oz & most expensive).

Note URBNSURF Wave Pool refuse infants & Dogs due to Water process.(see below)

Melbourne Wave Pool Accommodation options are affordable and or accessible.
*Airport Lodge (across road)(4 share $178 o/n room) +$8/day[P] + Free Air shuttle
http://www.ciloms.com.au/gallery/

*URBNSURF playground ? (No info on Child Care of Parental supervision!)
Child care (across road) 1 child $118 (day rate only)
https://www.ku.com.au/childcare/centres/kujoeyclubmelbourne

*Pet Care (across road)1 pet $23 (day rate only)
https://www.hanrob.com.au/locations/pet-hotels/melbourne-airport

Notes:
All OZ Wave Pools to date prohibit the use of Leg Ropes
(URBNSURF is 1st Oz Wave Pool to sanction leg ropes)
Not all URBNSURF Wave Parks allow Basherz...(NLand prohibited bodysurfers)

Spring opening is still planned I guess!

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Vic Local commented Sunday, 14 Jul 2019 at 5:18pm

Geez TBB. It's like you're getting paid by another wave pool to endlessly post negative comments. Why do you care so much about the wave pool in Tullamarine? If you don't want to use it don't go.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 14 Jul 2019 at 9:11pm

Everyone cares because URBNSURF says every Oz town is getting one just like this!
By hook or by crook! Don't think we get a say in the matter!

tbb recommended best Wavepool Travel & Accommodation for Family + Kidz + Pets.
Helping crew budget + Wavepool + businesses...How could any read it otherwise?

I suggest you take it up with Vic Tourism as they're the ones asleep at the wheel.
Share any Vic Govt Tourism site with better wavepool info then tbb will delete his!
I can assure Victorians...Oz know less & less of this Wavepool...(Most have given up!)

What's the big deal if we found a way in & out of Melbourne Airport without asking!
Thanx for the warm Welcome...i'll be sure to stick to the back roads come the day!

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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 17 Jul 2019 at 1:43pm

3 Blue Ducks (restaurant) will open by Summer @ URBNSURF
https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/food-and-drink/article/coming-so...

Photos show Floodlights are up & pool lining being laid.
https://www.facebook.com/urbnsurf/photos/pcb.2416687418544236/2416685275...