Is Slater outsourcing his pool to China or is this just a copy??

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sanded started the topic in Wednesday, 30 Jan 2019 at 11:57pm

I think WSL/ Slater might need to check their patents are in order...

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thermalben Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 7:19am


At first glance it doesn't look like a KSWC installation. I can't recall any public announcement either (and, they've been announcing new locations well before they get to test mode). 

China became a member of the Patent Cooperation Treaty in 1994 (there are 151 signatory countries) but I don't know how this is enforced.

But considering the lengths that the WSL went to in Australia to have "Kellogg's Nutri-Grain World Surf League" trademark removed (due to non-use - we detailed this in The ASP: It's on but who's watching? - Part 3), I'd be surprised if they hadn't anticipated and prepared for just such a scenario.

But, wowzers nonetheless.

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mackdog Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 8:35am

Fake photo maybe? If they are copying slaters design and using a train and foil to produce a wave then I’m not sure how the wave in the pic gets generated. It looks like it is too far away from anything pushing enough water

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Craig Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 8:39am

Not fake, check Moyu's story..

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Westofthelake Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:52am

Crikey I can imagine the term 'crewed out' being taken to new heights....

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truebluebasher Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 11:34am

'sanded' may have uncovered a top secret Chinese Olympic training Wave Pool
China reckons that with Oz Surf Coach they have a shot at a Olympic medals.
Surfing Medal would buy enormous influence...Tourism/Resorts/Theme Parks

PT former contest director for Silver Dragon River Bore Shootouts.
PT now trains Chinese Team in Wave Pools as does U.S. (Both hit WaveGarden)

2007 no doubt earlier... Chinese have been building Waveparks (World leaders)
(Theme/Resort/Municipal) Largest Wavepools or wrapping Islands - you choose.

Here's a Made in China wave pool company with their WaveParks

They do have Global Wave Pool Designers for Resorts(Everything is Made in China)

*Dino Beach is a Standard Wet'n'Wild venue.(Vid)

(Tsunami Promo + park/pool review)

Sun Island is a Resort Wave Pool with unusual Island rebound waves.(cue 0:45)

The Cube all remember from Olympics also has a wave machine + Band Stage.
These waves or swells bend & rebound at random height & speed.

This is a thing in China. Get a selfie while blindly pounded by a wave of sea critters.
(For Kids?) On Goldie we're repeatedly told that Chinese don't like waves.
Yet our surf is full of Chinese Tourists & many venture out the back.
I can vouch for two Chinese lads that line up in Heavy Burleigh Bodybash'n.

PT's Olympic Team often train in Pools! Perhaps tweaking dials to beef them up.
Modern wave pools have 10 settings for (Left & Right)Larger Wall huggerz.
Just that small default suits park users.

All signs pointed to Olympic Wave Pool Training facility re: Iconic Cube Swim Arena
The timing seems to coincide with Olympic Surfing?
Chinese could easily stop, rip it up & start again half way thru...We'd all expect that!
Also non doubt that Chinese would crowd out that Wavepool in a heartbeat!

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truebluebasher Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 11:46am

Oops! Here's that above missing ...'Sun Island Resort Pool'
Has a Drone view of waves lapping Island (cue 0:45 for wave action).
Chinese seem most likely to build any WavePark you can dream up!

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simba Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 12:47pm

Thats all surfing needs is for the chinese to really get into it,thanks to all the greedy cunts looking to make money out it.......

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simba Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 12:56pm

The Chinese would knock these pools over in a couple weeks,can see it now,pools everywhere and if a chinese surfer wins a medal in surfing well ..........

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 1:25pm

It's actually pretty crazy, we often think of place like Bali, Jakarta, KL etc only having these big water parks, but my wife family lives in Solo central Java and there is a water park there that is huge has the most crazy water slides, awesome ones better than most in oz, has a wave pool too. but just a shitty, like True blue bashers last link

I expect there is plenty in city around SE Asia.

Just so much money in SE Asia the poor are as poor as can be and most people struggle but the rich, fuck they are just crazy they size of their house etc, are like hotels.

I could imagine going back one day and there being a Kelly slater type pool thats been built for no reason other than some rich guy saw it online and thought it would be cool to add to his water park and there is just kids going straight on boggie boards

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blindboy Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 1:48pm

Part of their Olympic efforts I suppose. Don't like the WSL's chances of collecting on the patent but they probably don't care if it generates a market in China.

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Westofthelake Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 2:44pm

I heard the Chinese Olympic team are looking for a new surf coach.

Could be a job for Blowin?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 1 Feb 2019 at 5:19pm

And heres the video of the Chinese rip off of Kelly pool

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amb Friday, 1 Feb 2019 at 5:30pm

computer animated for mine..not real yet

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indo-dreaming Friday, 1 Feb 2019 at 5:32pm

Yeah you might be right i read people are sceptical, saying the wave is too far out in front etc.

I have no idea

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truebluebasher Friday, 15 Feb 2019 at 4:12pm

0:00 - :04 (Left)Terrorist careers into Secret Wave Lab @1000 miles an hour. WTF
Gumby slides up the Wave zone trailing a 90* wash?
About as real as yer gonna get from outta China.

Check out the Black Marine Debris(Dugong?)...almost fouls the Wave Train. (STOP!)

Maybe 'Contour rice sacks' swelled forcing a lining rupture now they're surfacing.
Just like Wavegarden/Snowdonia/Ranch/NLand/Waco/Surflakes..Drain the Swamp!

Qld is birth place of Whiteshoe Flibiniterz. We welcome China to the Wild West.
You'll be needing a few truck loadz of surf product to top up your Pool Party.
Zoom in on the left bank you can see Surf Lakes investors fisting... 'I told you so!'
Pool Party was a fizzer as it was geared down to salvage distant Olympic Dream.

By next week Jellies from the Black Wave Lagoon will derail PT's Wave Train...
Best to cash The Party Cheque this week...convince the Leader they're 'surf mats'.

Think I'm making it up? Note all Chinese Photo's/Vidz here have been confiscated.
Indo-dreaming's spy vid is next to go + Yes! We'll check back in on indo' of course!

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 9 Apr 2019 at 9:39pm

Drouyn claims Slater stole Wavepool design from 1979 Wave Generator's patent.
Now Chinese have stolen it, possibly from a spy on the tour group?

[WARNING] Loch Ness Monster's surfing clansman is useful to society...Wot!

2004 Pelamis is a giant surfing snake harnessing wave power feeds the grid.
2011 Delegation of 60 Chinese visited.(2 months on a targeted 2nd floor robbery)
2014 Hailong 1(Dragon) testing resembles Pelamis ironically retired in same year..
Scottish firm is in no doubt as to how similarities came about.

tbb believes Chinese have developed Top Secret Sea Dragon powered Surf Lagoon.
Eerily similar to truebluebasherz bi-polar wind-ups at Wet'n'Wild Wavepool.

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udo Wednesday, 10 Apr 2019 at 8:15am

Hakai magazine Watts on the Water
Good read on power from the ocean.

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ojackojacko Wednesday, 10 Apr 2019 at 5:17pm

hey tbb. that story in tracks is pretty shit ‘journalism’. they copy and paste an email from someone whinging about ks - no (reported) attempt to verify or debunk any of the claims which should be possible. not shooting the messenger- keep the posts and links coming mate

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truebluebasher Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 12:48am

ojackojacko i'll share what I know on 1960/70's Gold Coast Wavepool tech.
I wish to credit fellow junior surf competitor Chris Gudenswager for the better half.

Gold Coast / OZ surfers wanted in on 1960's wavepool revolution.(Japan / US)
More to the point they were losing advantage with No wavepools on Oz horizon.
I'm only guessing Keith may have been a representative by default to suss scene.
Just as today the wave pool bug got a hold of them no differently.

1968 GC surfer Keith Paul toured Tempe Arizona at the lay out stage.
This inspired Keith on return to draw up his own Wavepool Plans.
Keith invited fellow innovator Peter Drouyn to apply his modern contest format.
We know Peter had caught the Wavepool design bug, ever fine tuning his designs.

Chris generously allows a shared photo of Keith pacing out the wavepool in 1968
Chris alludes to this pair's architecture playing out in Today's WSL wavepool arena.

1970 Peter Drouyn was #1GC Sportstar #1Qld Sportstar #1 World Surfer.
Keith & Peter were leading innovators of surfing & Mad keen Wavepool designers.
Note: Peter was also invited to compete & then also win Wave Pool Comps

Nobody could doubt Peter was at the forefront of Wavepool surfing & Designs.
Together they inspected/designed/mastered Wavepools from a land that had none?
That incredible achievement married with Peters #1 Rank bosses history.(Surely)
Peter was ever #1 wavepool surfer designer until decades later stumbles Slater.

[disclaimer] tbb's twin sister ran Drouyn's shop during the late 1970's (Stubbies)
Most News links to Wave Generator are subscriber only.(tbb: re Tracks freelink)
Without doubt tbb's sister would know more of Wave Generator than most.

Clear to all that wave designers would gain a leg up by accessing Drouyn's Plans.
What's odd is two #1 tech Surfers sharing near everything 40-50 years apart.
Both inspired by very 1st US wave pool that only Keith {R.I.P} got to the bottom of.

Oz built 50 wavepools & the world 500 more & all work fine but none are Peters.
Only one is Peter's Wavepool...he can lead you to it & describe it back to front..
Coincidence that pool owner met & knows Peter back to front...Funny thing that.

tbb's main reason for contributing is not due to sister nor to put the record straight.
Simply because Peter asked fellow Gold Coasters to hold firm.
Pretty big thing to ask for town's support, we locals are obliged to stand together.

Again thank Chris for revealing another side to GC surfing...feel free to add a twist!

tbb is not taking anything away from Slater & acknowledges similar triumph.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 10:54am

It's Trumps Fault. Just grab them by the wave pool.

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ojackojacko Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 11:09am

Nice TBB - thanks. Interesting info in your post. From the small snippet in the keithpaullstory deskgram, it sounds like Keith was more across the pool design and Peter more across the comp design, but from your post it sounds like there was a lot more happening than that. It's a shame Tracks couldn't be bothered to interview anyone, attempt to dig up the expired patents (both of which should be pretty basic tasks for a professional journalist), or actually do anything apart from copying and pasting emails. Looks like Tracks is interested in stirring up shit, whereas TBB is interested in presenting the available facts.

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stunet Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 11:55am

FWIW Peter called me a few days before that story came out, claiming, as you've read in the Tracks article, about Slater stealng his IP. We had a long conversation, followed by a few emails, some including diagrams of his original wavepool design.

The story, to be honest, was more about Peter's broader struggle than anything Slater did or didn't do, and after seeking counsel from one of PD's friends I shelved it.

Drouyn may have been a visionary, though he wasn't the first to conceive of a wavepool, and his plans were coarse and abstract compared to the detailed patents of Webber and KSWC.

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sharkman Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 12:28pm

Wow , sounds a bit like that George Greenough claim in dolphins being eaten by GWS , the other publications wouldn't as it was so out there Drouyn/Westerly 's story a bit out are Gregs pool and beast going?

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stunet Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 1:24pm

The Tunnel Vision pool hit a bit of a speedhump as Loganholme Council reneged on leasing the land as they're now duplicating the Pacific Motorway and require that space. Not much to do with Webber, as Tunnel Vision are the ones building the park.

By the sounds of it the pool in Orlando will be the first with Webber's tech.

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ojackojacko Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 1:38pm

Thanks Stu. All interesting. As I said, shit stirring is different from journalism - not surprised swellnet opted for the latter. I don't know any of the players involved nor anything about this story btw - just was a bit stunned by the complete absence of professionalism in the other 'story'.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 5:01pm

In reply i again thank Chris. I also note stu has interviewed both Chris + Westerly.
Thanx for reading crew & yes tbb joined dots but never to mislead.
ojackojacko is kind & tbb does build on the facts to flesh out a story but I'm no Stu!
Stu touches on "seeking counsel"..tbb likewise danced around this & that.

All can read synchronicity rules this story with way too much happenstance!

I would've liked to have included even more obvious storyline that speaks for itself.
Big Surf Wavepool that Keith visited was also most likely where Peter won comp.
This being the only 'surfers comp' wavepool of the time to fit Peter's victory.

The storyline just keeps writing all players larger than life. (tbb can't control that!)
The more I looked at Keith < >Drouyn < > Kelly the more the story ties in. (Not me!)
Drouyn wins Wavepool Comp so too Kelly wins Wavepool Comp...(repeats)
Drouyn changes Comp Format Kelly changes Comp format. (Let me outta here)

tbb is less likely to believe that it's even possible for them to dissociate.
We ain't halfway there on this Mystery Tour...perhaps Chris opened a can of worms.

Secondly think about Keith being 1968 #1 OZ Champ at time of visit...(choose!)
a) Did #1 Oz Surfer Keith fund his own magic mushroom dig around in US dirt?
b) SA Sponsor > Oz #1 Keith's US tour +Wavepool Port 'O'Call ('Check it out Keith')

tbb conspiracy... SA shuttled Keith into Big Surf crater
Keith: "That's one toe on the nose for groms...One hang 10 for Skegz"
Top Secret microfilm/wavepool plans stashed inside board cover to Mission Control.
S.A.Spy schools with Manual Arts Wavepools.[ SURFS UP! PENCILS DOWN. ]

tbb soughta knew that Chris's findings would open eyes as they should.
Let's face it,we all knew shit about top secret OZ Wavepool missions...Knock Knock!

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philosurphizing... Thursday, 11 Apr 2019 at 5:31pm

Bland bathymetry

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truebluebasher Saturday, 13 Apr 2019 at 6:52pm

philosurphizing is right to highlight the downfall in Chinese design is bathymetry

China were closely observing Surf Lakes failed cheap arse thin Cement pour.
This highlighted the cost of a decent cement job was out of the Question.

Biggest ever wavepool needs cheap adjustable resource..1st choice bags of rice?
(Pause) tbb asks if any other affordable resource behaves in a similar manner.

Untested! Most would assume water mass pressing on lining over bags was fine.
Yes! But Wave train teased out the bags one by one peeping them out then rising up!
We all saw that on opening day with (rice bags!) banging against the wave Train.
Again saw the erratic wave nature of a bastardised bathymetry that went skewiff.

Sand is not cheap in China! Likely the sand was used as a secondary contour resource.
We see precise measured sand piles under and along wave train + sand scatters.

This picture sadly shows a depleted workforce on an over ambitious project.
No rain & just a dozen Chinese workers on Worlds largest Olympic aquatic venture.

Whole world clearly sees Surf Lakes & China pushing the envelope too far.
Notice both of these projects are in the middle of nowhere & chewing resources.

footnote: PT knew of Drouyns wavepool muse and as China's coach has last laugh.
No other wave pool photos? Pool maybe drained to sort floating bags & lining?

Nextdoor landlocked Mongolia's Olympic surfers train in their Olympic wavepool.

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philosurphizing... Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 8:06am

Had a bit of a browse on google earth to see if I could find the location of the Chinese wave pool.
There is mention that it's in Puyang and that it is part of an outdoor complex called Qingfeng Extreme sports base.
Checked the outskirts of Puyang and the town to the north Qingfeng but couldn't find it.
Also in this complex are some very impressive skate parks and some strange tall sculptural looking things which are actually artificial rock climbing walls, made by a
Bulgarian company called Walltopia.
The thing is when you check Walltopias website there is no mention of them.
Very strange.

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philosurphizing... Friday, 12 Apr 2019 at 8:20am

Tbb wrote
China were closely observing Surf Lakes failed cheap arse thin Cement pour.

Do you mean from a satellite.
A while back I read about a company similar to google earth that you can subscribe to and get a new satellite image of whatever you want to see every day.
So in effect China or anyone could have a time lapse film of the whole Surf Lakes build from start to finish.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 13 Apr 2019 at 7:29pm

philosurphizing no need for spy cameras the company. re: Surflakes promos.
Concrete Pour.

Concrete Quotes $3m or $1m (that one!) resulted in feet plunging thru floor.
They tried tarp sized bandaids then no sooner the plunger packed it in.

tbb swears 'every' post 2000 "Lined Wave Lake" has been drained for repairs.
Most 4 x over...Simple surf fins & Board noses tear thru lining > drain pool!
Skim vid @ [11:08] Ranch > Wonka's Nazis lasso & brand the Keen freestyle fucker.

Smaller concrete wavepools ban leggies large lined Wave lakes insist leggy!

Economy of scale drives cheaper choice every time.(We see it play out in Photo.)

1) Note solo workers couldn't possibly manhandle a HD roll alone.
2) Rolls in foreground are too thick to be empty or to thin for HD roll of plastic.
3) We can all see the length of a roll...(This is very cheap flimsy pool lining!)
4) All rolls are near equal length towards wave zone (No thicker rolls here?)

Go to Bunnings & throw a roll of HD plastic in your trolley...Wot! It's too heavy!

Photo shows Largest wave pool has least workers laying thinnest wavepool lining.
Seemingly the 'rice sacks!' may yet prove to be the least of their concerns.
2019 Money is Money & Humans are no longer slaves nor yet fully automated.
Past giant site plant would produce & roll out resources & pay shit on 24/7 shifts.
Oddly the site does seem surrounded by 'rice' as logical 1st choice contour resource.

philosurphizing is right about location..Qingfeng - Hwy's [S26] / [S209]

Google timeline shows earth turning was likely April 2018
From dig to failed Feb 2019 wave test was about 10 months
By comparison URBNSURF dig in May 2018 to Easter 2019 Test?

Wavepool sources water from nearby creek.

*Extreme Park

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philosurphizing... Saturday, 13 Apr 2019 at 7:47pm

Nice work Clouseau
There it is, just to the north of S26.
South east of Qingfeng.

Here is a close up.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 13 Apr 2019 at 11:47pm

philosurphizing told us all were it was, all too easy...Love your work!

Top Vid shows 5 or more tapered half soaked bumbling obstacles of no data use.
tbb checked on goods trade bags being affordable & common place for handling.
One Chinese cyclist would clear what's floating there, so yeah! Too easy!

tbb is saying what looks weird to us is common mop up work practice in China.
1,000's of oversized bags of rice or (?)...for contouring is more likely than not.
Best you all see for'll be gobsmacked at this oversized bag of tricks!

tbb believes what secrets these mystery bags hold is the reason China ain't surfing!
If it were open...Red Dragon Wavepool would be frontpage on all surf Mags.
C'mon people! Every pro would line up to promo that for a billion stickerz more!
Not State secrets nor Olympic training secrets more like Red Faced secrets.

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concrete wave Sunday, 14 Apr 2019 at 10:21am

I design and build skateparks in China. This facility i supplied special imported skateramp surface for part of the skatepark at this actionsports park. What i know is apparently the developers of this facility owe money and project is on hold. Chinese extreme sports Assoc will take of this place , may take a while before its operating knowing China.Its being build as a Olympic training facility for surf, skate , bmx and wall climbing. Now these are Olympics sports there is lots of funding to build these training facility`s and developers are getting that funding money upfront
then start a project then half way through take the rest of funding , keep it and disappear. Happenings a lot.

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philosurphizing... Sunday, 14 Apr 2019 at 12:57pm

Sounds like a cool job.
So you built the half pipe with the brownish coloured surface.
Impressive work.

Do you happen to know who the designer of the wave park is ?

Here are the photos of the skateparks

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truebluebasher Sunday, 14 Apr 2019 at 11:35pm

concrete wave scored big time, be like sweatin' that rubber cheque don't bounce.
What you say part explains why every single photo shows a ghost town.
Plain crazy that China has run out of people on mega work site.

China Olympics looked a $billion but equally looked half stripped come the day!
Almost as if the crew were funnelling out trimmings as the world watched on.

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philosurphizing... Monday, 15 Apr 2019 at 1:45pm

The method of wave generation you see in the Chinese wavepool video is not fake.

I did an experiment where I made a small scale copy of the foil that you can clearly see on the right side of the of the train.
My foil is made of 3'' thick EPS foam and the shape was then cut out using a bandsaw, the curved cutout at the front is the important part.
I then made a wooden handle attached to the inside of the foil.
I then pushed the foil through water in my 'you beaut' wave tank.
A slow push didn't show much at all, but a quick, short push then stop, replicated the swell you see in the video which travels out ahead of the train and then breaks and peels on both sides of the wavepool.
The swell generated is the shape of a curve.
The swell I generated is also very small and would get even smaller as it travels down the wavepool.

There is no way possible that this particular foil shape could create a wave similar to Kellys.

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philosurphizing... Wednesday, 17 Apr 2019 at 12:52pm

The Tunnel Vision pool hit a bit of a speedhump as Loganholme Council reneged on leasing the land as they're now duplicating the Pacific Motorway and require that space. Not much to do with Webber, as Tunnel Vision are the ones building the park.

I noticed that Tunnel Vision have an approved patent for a wave pool very similar to Webbers.
Patent number 2017268494
Inventor Joshua Robert Neale.
Seems as though there is more to it than a failed land leasing agreement.

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truebluebasher Monday, 20 May 2019 at 6:08pm

tbb re: (Above April-GC Wavepool) Chinese Olympic Team Coach PT.
tbb: PT knew of Gold Coaster Drouyn's 1960's wave pool plans.

25th October 1969 [News] Big Surf pushes SEQ for $2m Wave Pool.
(Proposal features 5ft waves breaking 200 yards).
Frank Adler said US Surfer Mike Doyle scouted Goldy for months.
Climate & locale (Beenleigh) is perfect but needs more population.
US claimed Bne/GC is missing out on Wavepool action.

Note: US Themed Cades County opened a Wavepool nearby in 1986

Swellnetonians sussed that PT was missing link in GC Wavepool circle.
Oz/GC top 3 surfers had front row seats during late '60's Wavepools
50 years on PT is to Coach Olympic Team in this Massive Wavepool.

Swellnet crew thanks PT & Wavepool Mag for sharing rare News Clipping...

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 19 Jun 2019 at 5:36pm

Red SeaDragon fires up!
12th June 2019 China's first National Standard Wave Pool
Test riders are 4 Former National Team Members + Coaches (Aussie PT?)
Anyhow here's China's Wave Pool ...small waves but good enough...enjoy.
Most commentators are rating the pool on this test?

Apparently the surfers only had 3 days testing...
2019 Feb Test ...tbb reckons looked real shallow to iron out repairs
2019 June Test...tbb reckons the pool is just over half full to again monitor gear.
Perhaps Chinese Sea Dragon is just huffing & puffing until it fires up...Stand Back!

Footnote: [Any swellnet support crew to frame this Surf real cool thanx.]

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arcadia Saturday, 10 Aug 2019 at 9:51pm

Meanwhile here in Japan, we've had good waves all week, with another four odd days of swell to look forward to.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 11 Aug 2019 at 12:51am

arcadia tips off the crew to Typhonic Lekima Japanese surf vid...(cheers!)
Hang in there for the mid that you slotted in there arcadia?

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arcadia Sunday, 11 Aug 2019 at 8:28am

I wish....
Home is wee bit north of Okinawa

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truebluebasher Sunday, 1 Sep 2019 at 12:36pm

Latest look @ ($38.6m AUD ) China's Olympic Wave Pool. (Phase 3)

Wave Pool 700m x 170m ( 3m high waves @ 8m per sec x 6-8 min intervals)

Now bigger the first hollow section is like 'The Ranch' but goes unsurfed
At the half way point the Wave starts to flatten out with rider short on speed.
They're yet to stoke up the soon to take out longest Wave Pool ride title?