Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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sypkan commented Monday, 1 Feb 2021 at 9:00pm

"There is a problem currently whereby people with ideas, information, or opinions that are not popular are quickly labelled as being ‘conspiracy theorist’ or believing false information as a way of shutting down the discourse by employing condescension and belittling the credibility or intelligence of the other side. A problem of widespread ad hominem.

Months ago the lab leak possibility was generally labelled a conspiracy theory and the discourse shut down, or sent underground.

Same goes for Invermectin, I can’t remember who was posting about it months ago, could have been you Superfreak and I think that I remember Shortenism doing it... and being derided and dismissed as a fool who believes false information or ‘conspiracy theories’.

A discourse lacking the current readiness to shut down anyone who has fringe ideas as fools who believe anything, would result in a better and more enlightening conversation, albeit a more challenging one."

the 'conspiracy' tendecies have become rather ridiculous actually

...and it's coming right from the top!

the very very top!! ...of sorts...

the 'elites' of the democrat party and their 'elite' media enablers mainly

and a coupla enablers on here that should know better...

you would hope they know better...

is 'the agenda' so precious it cannot be challenged?

and the partisanship so broken and twisted crew adopt the old... 'whatever it takes'

it's fucken dangerous, way way more dangeeous than any wacky trump misguided meanderings

I find it so so sad and disheartening that crew that should have a healthy dose of suspicion and an inclination to question things are so bloody compliant

"compliant and servile" says camille paglia

and the WHO... seriously, what is that all about?

...a submissiveness to the chinese overlords?

...the UN's other agendas so sought after some bule collatoral damage no problem?

...the bule hate so strong, a bit of maming and killing doesn't matter? (....if directed in the right direction of course...)

....the urge to fetishise just too overpowering?

good onya sickaz and co., questions need to be asked

desperately

it's the only way how the system can work ...or once did...

our system of empowering the little guy to ask questions is the only thing that differentiates us from the real 'fascists' and 'dictators'

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Supafreak commented Monday, 1 Feb 2021 at 5:34pm

I’ve actually been waiting for someone to bring up what sickaz and sypkan are talking about . I first mentioned ivermectin back in early December after looking for some surfing footage on YouTube the Dr Kory video popped up , I found him to be really sincere and his pleading for the government and NIH to just look at data seemed really genuine. Before I posted on here I looked at who the FLCCC were and their credentials looked pretty impressive plus what they had already achieved with treating icu patients. I also saw a video from a Australian politician also shouting about the merits of ivermectin and it’s when I first heard Professor Borody mentioned. When I looked at Borody and who he was and what he’s achieved in his career I thought holy shit these guys are top of their fields . I was labeled a conspiracy theorist , Pete Evans wannabe and more , it really didn’t bother me as it said more about those throwing around the labels . The more I looked the more I found and the more questions I had . Then it was said I was implying a cover up but that’s my fault for not explaining myself well enough and what I ment by my questions. The good thing is there may be a real breakthrough in treatment it’s just a pity Australia didn’t act on early recommendations by Borody. Things would definitely be different as far as lockdowns , business closures , people’s mental health and off course lives lost . Some will still be sceptical about ivermectin and all I can encourage you to do is look at the science , data , and real world examples. Thanks sickaz and Sypkan for speaking up and I don’t blame anyone for having a go at me it’s a crazy world we live in and finding the truth becomes more difficult on who and what to believe. When I first saw the video plandemic I pissed myself laughing thinking how could anyone believe that crap , I saw another video by the Enoch times and I thought who the fuck are they ? Then I looked at who financed them and found Falun Gong and made the connection after researching them . Propaganda and misinformation comes from both sides of many topics these days , aren’t we lucky we can go surfing and forget about the world we live in for awhile.

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Supafreak commented Monday, 1 Feb 2021 at 5:42pm

I’m also glad in looking for information that I stumbled across trial site news , they collect data from all clinical trials no matter what they are , cancer , heart medicine anything and everything , here’s a small example of them https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwMTVi...

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 1 Feb 2021 at 7:31pm

Supafreak is on a good wicket with Ivermectin & has plenty in reserve.
Take supafreaks last Japan link for example...this innocent Test is a game changer.
https://trialsitenews.com/tokyo-metropolitan-government-plans-ivermectin...

Let's suss why advanced Japan is racing to trial Ivermectin ....(read on...)

Japanese were slow to order Big Pharm Covid Vaccines & may likely fall short.
1994 Japan ends Compulsory Child Vax to Voluntary
2013 HPV 70% >1% (5,000 preventable deaths)
Heart of the issue is Zero Trust in Foreign Vaccine - fails.
Is the Covid Vax safe 10% / Get the Covid Vax Now 11% / Vax whenever 63%

Should Japan Host Olympics 20%
Japan does not want 100,000's of foreign athletes or their drugs in their country.

1.Olympic Committee does not mandate Emergency Vax for Athletes in Japan.
2.Olympic Ideal prevents Olympians from unsportsmanlike queue jumping.
3.Athletes at back of queue are now bullying for Top Tier (Outta my way Pops)

Welcome back local superhero drug Ivermectin...
1 Ivermectin is not an 'emergency vax'...anyone / anytime can Vax (No Order)
2. Japanese get a shot in their Bubble Tea...now whole Nation is more bubbly.
3. Japan all vaxed & Happy Hosting Full Olympic Arenas + no Pfizer Death Toll.

SportsVax Bet { Essential OZ Vax Cheats Leader Board }
Test Cricket *Phase 1 -AAA [0][0][0] Legends Vax (Warm Pommy brew is fine.)
NRL *Phase 2a [ Critical High Risk Boofhead Drug Dealerz ] "That's our turn Bro!"
Oz Olympians *Phase 2 [ Trade up yer dull Silver vax for Oz Gold Medal Tally]

PM will save us from evil Queue Jumperz...apart from Oz Athletes/VIP's/CEO's

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Supafreak commented Tuesday, 2 Feb 2021 at 5:39am

Questions need to be answered. This is a news article from August last year , now a large part of the world is onboard. https://centrefordigestivediseases.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/013155... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Borody. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.m4974/rr

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Supafreak commented Tuesday, 2 Feb 2021 at 7:20pm
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truebluebasher commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 2:09am

Supafreak needs back up...
Wow! Some sneaky buggerz went under the Radar during Trump sendoff.
Top effort just earn't a side kick...reckon tbb has flushed out the renegades.

US is looking for 2 missing anarchist doctors...tbb found them....wasn't that hard.
12th Jan... These 2 rogue doctors paint a pretty large target on themselves...shh!
1) Pierre Kory MD "MASH Alliance Reconnaissance"
2) Prof. Paul E. Marik "MASH Gang Leader"
MASH or [ Frontline Covid -19 Critical Care Alliance ]
"Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of Covid -19"
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermec...

Back up link...should the fugitives break free
https://blogs.jwatch.org/hiv-id-observations/index.php/ivermectin-for-co...

12th Jan- US Frontline Doctor's Ivermectin Paper gets serious!
14th Jan- US Guidelines are updated to assist frontline Covid defence...

New Prez...
Big Pharm Dems go Spazz...( WTF is Ivermectin & when did they last donate? )
Quick! Rub it out before (f) sees it!

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 5:42am
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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 6:48pm

The shit fight continues , interesting to read various Australian media reports on this , plus how American media differs on the subject. What I find hard to believe is probably 99.8 percent of Australians have never heard of ivermectin and the media shouting misinformation mention nothing of the trials so far or that UK and Japan have commenced trials, our own chief medical officer says there is no evidence so he obviously won’t except anything that isn’t gold stamped. Scumo claims we have the best medical advice in the world , yet first we were told masks weren’t any good then they were , was it medical advice that allowed ruby princess to dock and disembark ? Medical experts allow Hollywood in because of the $ value they bring but won’t allow a child to say goodbye to a dying father . I’m getting over our best in the world medical experts The real experts are those that deal with patients daily , do the actual research and have proven track records. Yes we need a vaccine but we also need early treatment not medical advice that says if you test positive isolate and if your condition gets worse talk to your doctor There is so much information out there our “journalists “ are failing to mention or interview the people with the information, it’s more newsworthy to hang a politician ( even if he is a dick ) https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/crazy-conspiracies-plibersek-con.... https://video.foxnews.com/v/6227578533001#sp=show-clips

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 7:09pm

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batfink commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 7:32pm

Oh supafreak, anyone with a Facebook page knows about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Plus lots of other people who don’t, like me, who might read around a bit. I know the “99.8% of Australians have never heard of ivermectin” was an exaggeration, but it’s hard to see what drives your evangelism.

I responded some months ago on another thread that the medicos on the ground are trying everything. The idea that this is being suppressed is a fantasy. Note, not conspiracy, a fantasy.

Sickaz rightly points out that the free thinkers are being called conspiracy theorists, but the idea that the medical community has the answer to Covid but are hiding basically accuses the rest of humanity of being part of a conspiracy, and only these free thinkers have seen the light.

I’ve clicked through many of the sites you’ve posted to, but even those have so much conflicting information in them they hardly support your premise.

So back to ivermectin, what are you selling here. Is it a treatment, or is it a vaccine? You have to choose one or the other, no substance on planet earth does both.

So if it’s a treatment, why do you want to have it approved here when there are so few cases, no deaths, and the rest of the world can do the experimentation and we can just sit back and see what they find.

Are you thinking it’s a vaccine, a preventative? Most of your links that I could go down don’t suggest that.

Wouldn’t it be better if we just didn’t get it spreading around Australia rather than trying to close the door after the horse has bolted?

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 7:56pm

@batfink , yeah you’re right 99.8 % was a silly l should have just said the majority haven’t heard of ivermectin. It’s not a vaccine it’s a treatment, why do we need it here with so few cases ? Because as I’ve said before not everyone will be able to have the vaccine even if they wanted to . I was originally posting on the other thread batfink and not sure if you have looked at all my links. Did you even view the links on my latest post , did you see Professor Clancy comments ? Have you looked at the data ? Have you looked how many doctors around the world support ivermectin as early treatment and as a preventive and looked at these doctors credentials. Batfink I don’t claim to know it all but what the general public get told isn’t the whole truth , our media don’t support ivermectin and why is that ? Again there is no conspiracy just a lack of information and the government is being very coy with a election coming up they wouldn’t want anything to disrupt that . Do you believe there is anything our government and medical team could have done better or are they really the best in the world ? Have the government done everything right in there approach ? I welcome what you have to say batfink and know we can be civil about it .

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JQ commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 8:08pm

Why do you think the governments medical officers are not behind the ivermectin then Supafreak? I put it to you that it's nothing more than an abundance of caution. Personally, I'm quite happy for our chief medical officer to be very picky about what they recommend as a treatment. Whilst I don't trust politicians, I have generally have a high level of trust for the science & medical professionals.

Also, is there anything actually stopping a doctor prescribing you ivermectin as a covid treatment now? I'm not exactly across how the system works, but I know you can be prescribed drugs for non-standard treatments. As far as I know ivermectin is not one of those incredibly dangerous or addictive drugs that would have super strict controls on it.

I suspect what you see in the media is probably a little bit of maturity and awareness that it's a bad idea for them to contradict the governments medical advice right now. It is clear that the best way for a country to get through this is to act in solidarity.

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 8:10pm

At the end of the day batfink I’m choosing to believe The FLCCC , Professors Borody and Clancy, Dr Hill and all the other researchers of ivermectin .

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 8:25pm

@JQ , at the moment you can’t legally prescribe ivermectin for covid treatment in Australia , I don’t know if it’s caution or a fear of people if using ivermectin and then people believing they don’t really need a vaccine . All of the doctors supporting ivermectin also support the need for a vaccine. This drug is regularly used in aged care for scabies outbreaks in Australia but the government wouldn’t allow Professor Borody to roll it out in age care when Victoria was in crisis . My question is Why ? It’s horrific what happened to people in aged care in Victoria. Borody went to India and that’s where the trials began , he then went to the US . Meanwhile countries around the world got wind of what was being tried and followed suit with success and this is where much of the data comes from. But can you tell me you red anything about this in Australian MSM ? And why weren’t trials set up when Victoria had 800 cases a day ? Do you think I have reasonable questions ? I find the whole thing mystifying as it was Australian doctors and researchers who made the initial discoveries.

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Supafreak commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 8:37pm

Do you believe if testing positive to covid that going home and isolating is the best option. ?

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 9:21pm

No, terrible option. Don’t get tested, u won’t test positive and no isolation necessary.

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bonza commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 9:54pm

Lol

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shortenism commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 10:18pm

Wow what a shit storm on the ABC 24 news just now... Anyone else seeing this... Pete Evans and Craig Kelly have really struck a nerve today.

If you are watching this and still don’t see the media as the propaganda arm of government and the broader agenda then. WOW. I’ve never witnessed such alignment and desperation between them, rolling out the big wigs one after the other in every attempt to shut any alternative views down. Go Paleo P! Keep the info streaming!

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seaslug commented Wednesday, 3 Feb 2021 at 11:05pm

Smirking winking Paleo Pete is a fuckwit, pure and simple

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 2:47am

Vax Rollout - Vax 3 "Moderna" (Oz trial only)

Rollout Oz Vax 1 Pfizer + Oz Vax 2 AstraZeneca
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/506540?page=4

Moderna
21st Dec 2020 - US Rollout
21st Dec - 10th Jan - 1,266 Adverse 118 shock reactions 6 H / 4,041,396 doses
5th Jan 2021 Baseball Legend Poster Jab Model ...Hank Aaron dies after Vax...
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/hank-aaron-dies-days-after-r...
17th Jan 2021 San Diego Bad Batch (7 adverse reactions) Halt the Rollout.
https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adverse-reactions/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9172939/California-clinics-re...
21st Jan- San Diego Report & Same doses Continue (Cold Temp? see next story.)
21st Jan Shipments of Moderna Vax (replaced) for being packed too Cold.

tbb (est..) Pfizer #1 = (*18 -21 Jan US stats were approx' even ) = Moderna #1
That may seem easy to estimate...but that Vax split needed several sources.

US (Mixed Vax Deaths of 23.5m as of *18th Jan) * 50/50 vax split can be applied.
Most Women Average Age 79 years (But) 43% younger than 65 years

Deaths by Vax split / per doses using above approx calculations as a guide only! Ok!
Pfizer US -113 / 11.75m (re: 50/50% vax split is sadly the last of US solo vax stats)
Moderna US - 83 / 11.75m (tbb timed the split in order to calculate Moderna vax)
From here it's CDC / WHO massaging of withheld data...What they say is gospel.

28th Jan-Moderna looks at "Booster Shot" to fight Mutants. (SA strain is weak link)
Note it was said that Pfizer is looking at booster shot as well.
3rd Feb- Moderna [ Covid Arm ] It's a thing! (10% get a nasty Raised Red Patch)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/moderna-vaccine-causing-covid-arm-...
3rd Feb Moderna looks to raise vial doses from 10 to 15+ (vs) Pfizer is 5 > 6.

Side Effects
92% Pain in the Arm / 69% Fatigue / 63% Headaches / 60% muscle Pain /
45% Joint Pain / 43% Chills / 10% Severe side effects...
1/3192-Adverse > 1/34,250-Shock > 1/48,691-Died > 1/673,566 -ICU

Just repeating that (All) Vax Trackerz mix all new brews into one vat from here on.
Poorly designed Trackerz will fade from view as they can't track vaxes > only doses.
Great if you're an accountant but useless as a real time civic Vax safety tool.
Great effort to stay relevant for 2 weeks...can't knock that...
Be shocked if Oz Vax Trackers last any longer than the Phase 2 roll out!

tbb motions Craig OAM for another crack at the Covid Vax Forecaster Modelling.

Recap on Vax Death Data {RIP} Progressive Total ( approx 10% or 10 days behind)
Please don't be too hard...it's the only half decent, half honest online Vax update!
Pfizer -US 113 / Euro 88 / Israel 4 ( Cause : Anaphylactic Shock > Elderly)
Astra Zeneca - India 13 (Cause : Heart- Brain Stroke > Mid Aged) 65+ Ban.
Moderna -US 83 (Cause : Reactionary > Mostly Women) Possibly Cosmetic n/a
88 Euro is factual & progressive > (17th Jan "Libre blog" - 100 Europe Vax deaths)
Vax deaths are buried online, none want this public..100 {RIP} is a fair estimate.
None like talking about death so none would throw a figure of 100 without basis!
tbb considers the post to be genuine although the linking site was sensationalist!

Each Vax also has underlying Drug Warning reactions..
Pfizer -(30 PEG Cancer Drugs) AZ (Elderly +Heart!) Moderna (Swells > Botox )
Peg / Poly swelling concern is the Tongue as it blocks the airways.
Sleep apnea patients with swelling reactions are common in Oz...best see yer doc!

You're right... tbb is concerned that Govt is not triaging for Oz vax reaction reality.
tbb thinks it crazy to just race blindly head on into into Largest ever Rollout.
If Wealthiest Nation's Uptown honeymoon Vax kills 100's...what for Oz outback!

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Supafreak commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 11:07am

Children won’t be getting vaccinated in Australia yet as no clinical trials have been conducted but there was talk of it being done . Not sure who is volunteering their children . Here’s a small study on long covid in children. https://trialsitenews.com/italian-led-study-reveals-long-covid-may-adver...

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Stok commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 11:46am

"Go Paleo P! Keep the info streaming!"

Just logged on to see this.

All I'll say, is there's a new breed of contrarians and mis-information spreaders who have fallen in love with the power that comes from social media. Evans is up there with the worst of them. He's literally picking and choosing view points, regardless of their integrity, and pushing them forward coupled with phraseology like 'peace', 'grab the popcorn' and 'look a little deeper'. Anyone worth any level of salt should absolutely reject what he says.

Unless you're an expert in a field, i.e. 10+ years experience working in it, degree qualified, industry body recognised - keep your views to yourself. Don't listen to popular characters, or fringe dwellers - use your head and listen to experts and experts only.

It's not ok to pick and choose research, fail to contextualise it, and push it to your followers. He, and people like him are becoming the worst stains on modern humanity.

p.s. Pete Evans posted about Craig Kelly the other day on the Gram, and the GOAT himself, Slater, liked it!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 12:56pm

Scomo "We don't use any of them sissy Rapid Tests in Oz Mate "
We won't tolerate Mile High Club Quickies...

[Factcheck] Info is provided by Oz States Health & O/S Govt Health.

Rapid Tests 15-30mins (Unreliable / Unsafe.)

PCR Tests - 2 days min for indicator > 3/4 confirmed result (World Standard Test)
Note: (Min-2 days Isolation due to 2 day Result is Standard) Obvious to all.

[ Mutant Test ] Genome Sequence 4hrs -on notice > 36 hrs- Identified > 4-6 days-Confirmed
Doherty Lab: "The faster the result the less accurate the detection!" see: (Oz Politics)
Test will always take longer sequencing newer strains as it exhausts the data.
Most common Variant > Faster time || Slowing to > More recent Variants (UK/SA/Latin)
*Australia's Mutant Detector Labs are Ranked OZ #1(58.6%) / NZ #2 / UK#8 / US #43 (0.3%)
Oz GS (58.6%)/28,200 > Hottie Spotting not probing Mutants..(Crew already knows!)
https://www.australiangenomics.org.au/partners/clinical-sites/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/12/23/us-leads-world-coronavir...
Pollie Speak
Test -4-12 hrs-(Mutant Invasion - Lockdown)
Test -36hrs - (Mutant Identified & is free to shed thru the city)
5 days (Mutant Confirmed - The rest of you stay put until I check the polls)
Lab tests are not VCR's... you can't FF a result...you wait until cycle ends!

Nat Cab: "Mutant Guards must Test Daily!" Pinky Promise!

Here's how State pollies apply their version of NatCab Covid Test regime...

NSW
17th Dec 2020 (Evening) Health Minister Hazzard Takes PCR Test (2/3 day result)
18th (Lunch) Hazzard "No Queue Jump! Yes..I isolated (18hrs?) Oops!... I tested [-]
WR Rapid Queue/Iso/PCR result = WR 3 Covid lies in 3 secs by #1 NSW Health

Qld
7th Jan - Mutant Hotel Cleaner > Rapid Test [+]
8th Jan -Premier : Greater Bne [ MUTANT INVASION LOCKDOWN ]
$15 Rapid Test Locks down SEQ for 3 days
The Earliest Qld can Genome Sequence this Mutant is 12th Jan.

WA
Sat 23rd Jan (Midnite) WA Mutant Guard Drug Dealer takes weekly Rapid Test [-]
Thu 28th Jan (Smoko) WA Mutant Guard pulls a Sickie (Not required to Test / Iso.)
Sat 30th Jan (Midnite) WA " Hot Hotel Guard takes 'weekly' Rapid Test [+]
Sun 31st Jan (Lunch) WA Premier [ MUTANT INVASION LOCKDOWN ].
$15 Rapid Test can & has locked down WA for 5 days
The earliest WA can Genome Sequence this Mutant is Thursday (Today )

Victoria
29th Jan Mutant Guard takes his test [-] (Not 1 but 4 days pass?)
3rd Feb Mutant Guard takes his test [?]
4th Feb Rapid Test [+]
5th Feb Vic Premier [ MUTANT INVASION ] PM : presses **StarShots* * Lockdown.
$15 Rapid Test is bossing Vic & PM's $70m Tennis Comp.
The earliest Vic can Genome Sequence this Tennis Mutant is 8th Feb...

So when did NatCab + PM vote to lockdown Oz with fake $15 Tests
When did Daily Mutant Guard testing become 4 days > weekly > whenever!
Seriously! If Oz can verify a Mutant in 12 hours then share it with the world...Now!

1st Feb 2021 -PM: "It's still too early for Govt to safely intro Rapid Testing!"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209459/Scott-Morrison-rules-Co...

OZ media is a Joke, when do they gnaw off the fist that's so far up their arses.
Pollies are Gold Spading shit up our every orifice...Wake Up Oz...this ends today!

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shortenism commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 3:29pm

Yeak stok, just like Bill Gates an expert at creating and exterminating viruses.

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Supafreak commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 4:01pm

Great work TBB , my head boggles

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I focus commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 4:08pm

@Stok, have Dieticians in the family exactly what you said and Seaslug (maybe a little more nuanced than SL) same meaning.

Still its across all facet's of society and at all levels, Twitter just lives on it.

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indo-dreaming commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 6:13pm

Some more vaccine good news today.

-Another 10 million of Pfizer vaccine secured bringing the total to 20 million

-Further trials with AstraZeneca (the one most of is will be getting) has shown potential to reduce transmission.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/study-show-s-vaccine-s-p...

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Supafreak commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 10:30am

Attention TBB , is this what you were talking about last week ? I can’t find your post but the names that came up in this video are some you mentioned . Don’t know what to think of this . https://video.foxnews.com/v/6227902415001. I couldn’t believe a journalist could put this out there , if it’s got no truth how can he not be sued for defamation ? Do journalists have some sort of protection in the US and can report anything ?I’ve included who this guy is in link below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hilton

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shortenism commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 9:08pm

Good news for who Vic?

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Stok commented Thursday, 4 Feb 2021 at 9:39pm

Ermm...sorry Shortenism kind of obvious stuff but...Bill Gates is a philanthropist. Not an expert. I don't listen to him, most people don't listen to him - in fact - prior to Covid I'm going to honestly say i didn't know what his foundation did. He provides funding to allow experts to do there work - and we listen to them.

Someone like Pete is nothing of the sort - he's found his niche which is leeching on the popularity of poorly constructed and fanciful conspiracies. He may or may not even truly believe in the mis-information that he's spreading, but either way sadly there's a group out there happily lapping it up. Also, you know, he's an ex-celebrity chef who believes we should be eating a cave man diet.

It's sad really - he's like a dimly lit beacon of hope for his bored, paranoid, delusional and ill-educated followers who just want some positive reinforcement of their fantasies. These are the people who essentially subconsciously hope that the world makes sense, and that Covid was planned, and the vaccines must be fought. Like in big budget, plot lacking, Hollywood movies, these people want a villain. And when (not if) they're defeated, we'll live happily ever after.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 5:53pm

Toddler Mutant Ninja Lab Rats...Heroes in half Vial...Mutant Power!
This was never even remotely in a million years requested by supafreak...
tbb was counting Kidz Covid stats + got sidetracked into Kidz vax tests.
So this report was kinda half ready...

Qld & NSW have outlawed inked Paper or Card Pass on entry + many rid cash.
Obviously 1 year olds & up will need a digital rattle to enter or Board Transit.
Hands up if any Parent thinks their kid won't lose 100 or so E Tags.

Child Vax will need 100% Digital tag or yer kid is out in the rain (Any Ideas!)
Here's yer cool Glow in the dark Biometric weird Student ID thingy son....Ouch!
Keep that in mind & ask why grown ups never discuss Kidz Vax Passports?
Always Me! Me! My Vax Passport... For how long will these VIP's get their way

Vaxed Kidz in these studies actually believe they can visit gran abroad... but how?
There is no Under 16 Contract for Kidz to submit Biometric ID...(Yet!)
UK entry requires 12 & Up Covid Tests / Australia requires 12 & Up Masks...
UK Emergency Vax is 16 & Up (Post Covid 16y'o is now deemed a senior citizen)
Ask! Can a [457] swizzle & direct yer 12 y'o to the child trafficking Flight Lounge.

Wot happens when Vax is age 1. Must we swizzle toddlers in Airport Queues?
Never remotely read of this anywhere, yet every Plane has a 1 year old... durr!
Mum & Dad & even the Plane is not taking off until Junior has been bar coded.

And every 1 year old is getting vaxed...did our media not tell you?

There are arguments either way...
tbb recommends this rare excellent fair intro article on Kidz Vax
Think yer get one bite at it...so don't blow it! Coz it is the only decent link on subject.
https://www.ocregister.com/2021/01/17/children-the-next-frontier-for-cov...

Kidz Emergency Vax Timeline (#1 swellnet exclusive)

*Children's Vax Test enrolments are 30x slower than adults..(Mummy I'm scared!)
*After the shots the tests still continue on for over a year
*[Data $hare] Israel have sold out Data to Pfizer (Includes Under 18 files!)
*Does Pfizer have lifelong contract on Kidz Health Records (For Vax reaction info?)
*No accident that "At Risk" Israel Child Vax Data is racing ahead of the Kidz Trials.

*Emergency Vaxes - Pfizer 16+ / Moderna 18+ / AstraZeneca 18+
All can fast track > 16+ during Emergency...

*US 16 y'o kidz (Support Workers) Proudly Up front of the Queue!
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/01/16-year-old-ems-volunteer-gets-co...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/dishwasher-vaccinated-youngest-1.5...

*Emergency Vax [ "Extension" ] Continues down from 16 > 15 > 14 > 13 > 12 y'o
*Emergency Law exempts rapid Testing + at risk Vaccine for kids.
*See Israel (At Risk Kidz) to see how emergency Vax age drops...during a Rollout.

Emergency Law Health Record accesses Mum > Age 1> death (The Motherlode)
Pandemic Profiteering of Covid Kidz needs to be called out...just saying this is suss!

2020 Vax Timeline (* Trial is Underway )
28 Sept -China *Hebei -Sinovac's CoronaVac Trial 552 / aged 3-17
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/china-s-sinovac-to-test-covid-...
Oct - Pfizer lowered "Test age" to 12 y'o
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/26/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-trial-kid...
19th Oct - 22nd Jan Pfizer *Cincinnati Teenie Test 12 - 15 y'o (2,259 enrolled)
11th Dec - China - 2 companies Trial Vaccinates 3 y'olds (see 15th Jan)

2021
4th Jan -India *Covaxin 12y'o & up Vaccine is Approved.
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/vaccine-updates/story/bha...
12th Jan *Moderna 12 -17 y'o ( 800 / 3,000 enrolled > Sept) > Spring 2021 Data
https://connect.trialscope.com/studies/a6dd51e8-c0a0-4ad5-b80b-9b4cda3c0...
(Soon) Moderna 1 - 11 y'o (Study will take much Longer) eg: Next year Results
Moderna Tests were said to spread several States...according to uptake numbers.
15th Jan China *Sinopharm Aged 3-17 y'o Emergency Trial is approved
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-sinopharm-covid-19-vacci...
24th Jan *Israel Pfizer Rollout 16 y'o-18 y'o (Parental permission vax) [Data $hare]
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55788922
26th Jan *Israel Pfizer vaccinating at risk 'under 16 y'olds' [Data $hare] Goldmine!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-moves-to-allow-vaccination...
4th Feb UK (Not vaxing Kids!) Rare 16 y'o vax. (At Risk "Blood Group" exemption)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-55923171
March China " Child Vax age 3 to 17 y'o will be ready to rollout."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1213111.shtml
March - Israel Pfizer Rollout 12-16 y'o vaxes [Data $hare]
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-idUSKBN29H16G
Mar / April AstraZeneca 5-18 y'o Trial
May Pfizer 5-11 y'o (Fully Enrolled - Starts as 12-15 y'o Trial ends)
https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20210128/pfizer-fully-enrolls-p...
May - India Covaxin Vaccine ready for Rollout (Age 2 - 12 y'o)
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/children-s-covid-vaccine-ready-in-...

Timeline Continues with Aussie Kidz Vax
Sept/Oct Phase 2b ( 4th Feb) PM orders 10m Pfizer as insurance for 16-18 y'o)
Pfizer 16+ Vax repels Mutants (18+ AstraZeneca may not repel or pass 16+ test).

2022 - Oz (Phase 3) Under 16..
High / Primary School > Child Care rollout is already (ticked) if / when vax approved.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/get...

Rich Nations waving Vaccine Passports will never once mention (The Family)
Families wait longest for Child Vax & will be banned longest by Covid Vax elites.

VIP Boomers kicking off Mutant kidz trying to break the skin to suck up some vax.

Unis > Private Colleges > Child Care will only accept Gold Star Vax app..
State schools will dry out yer soggy vax certificate..."Fell in a puddle of Covid Sir!"

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Supafreak commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 10:26am
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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 7:23am

"Good news for who Vic?"

Even though you called me Vic im guessing that comment is for me.

Like it or not its good news for everyone, the more people that get vaccinated in Australia and the world in general the more we can progress back to some normality.

Well just let me travel thats all i really want.

The fact that AstraZeneca has shown potential to reduce transmission, is really good news...hopefully studies also show the same with the others.

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Supafreak commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 10:24am

@indo d , after looking at TBB page I might not get to indo for years , adu mimi , Vax for kids is awhile off for oz , after looking at TBB post I feel a tad depressed and haven’t mentioned anything to the wife yet as still wait and see . My daughter has both oz and indo passports , the wife only indo and residency for both countries. With the talked about vax passport needed to travel it’s going to be along way off for my daughter. The wife is going to be devastated.

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shortenism commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 10:52am

Sorry Indo, you and Vic almost seem like the same person to me most of the time..

'the more we can progress back to normality'

Ok, but how does a vaccine bring it back to 'normality'? I'm pressing this point, so looking forward to someone answering it. You would remember when COVID entered stage left and we went into a lockdown because we were told we had to flatten the curve to not overrun hospitals. That's what was 'sold' to us. Problem-Reaction-Solution. This hospital jam never happened and certainly isn't the case today. Media messages went from deaths to cases and tiny little supposed flare ups lead to a clockwise lockdown around the country of major cities. Each getting a turn, to maximise disruption and have ppl like yourself just begging ther system to take you back to normality.. Just give it to me!! Good news you say! Freedoms back? I say BAD news. Because, its not one injection is it, its going to be an on-going thing from the moment you take the first. Like a drug? Like subscription revenue? The ultimate revenue model for whoever s selling...? It will quickly turn into you need two a year, one a month and if you miss it, what becomes of you? Publicly shamed,? Canceled passports? Restricted access to funds?? Worse still, like a drug, a period of withdrawal symptoms if you want to STOP... Dude, if you can't see this yet and the risk with pushing this shit out and participating in it, I am surprised. Back ya-self. You'll be fine without it. History (within your lifetime - not the stories you are told) is the best teacher.

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shortenism commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 11:38am

Exactly stok, Gates audience isn't you or me.. Its those steps above who we listen to, its way up the food chain. Follow the money... WHO, governments and the biggest pharma research and production chains, they are his captured audience, which is what makes its way to you (top down) through the mainstream channels.

Pete on the other hand is at a grass roots level (bottom up), which means a shit load of diversity in experiences and perspectives. From what I can tell, he's bringing all sorts of ppl into the chat room to get different perspectives on all sorts of topics. Not sure you can hold that against him can ya?

What happened, why the name calling.. He fade you on a 1 footer at the pass? Seaslug seemed a bit upset by him too..

Ideally a combination of bottom up and top down. But all the bottom up attempts get witch hunted and burned at the stake by ppl like you. Thanks for your contribution to mankind...

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Hiccups commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 11:44am

"Sorry Indo, you and Vic almost seem like the same person to me most of the time.."

lol

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Stok commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 12:18pm

lol at Pete presenting a diverse view!!!!

His views are strictly:
- Anti Vax
- Anti Lockdown
- Anti Mask
- Anti Science
- Stolen US election
- Donald Trump
- Anti Biden
- Anti Arden
etc. etc.

It's actually hilarious than anyone would bother consuming that rhetoric. It's all the same thing. Seeing the shite he posted when Trump was sure to be re-elected was amusing to say the least.

And all his guests just echo the exact same thing. They're not grass roots, or anything similar. Just a hand picked bunch from the extreme right leaning/Trumpism side, oddly mixed in with 'spiritual' mentors/speakers.

Off out of the spotlight he should [email protected]#k.

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Hiccups commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 12:32pm

shortenism is a total gimp, so that's why he thinks PE presents a diverse view.

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seaslug commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 12:34pm

Smirking winking Paleo Pete is a fuckwit, pure and simple

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shortenism commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:14pm

Hiccups is a total gimp, so thats why he thinks shortenism is a total gimp, who thinks PE presents a diverse view.

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shortenism commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:08pm

And seaslug, clearly faded by PE multiple times out at the point.. Yep that would hurt.

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shortenism commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:13pm

& stok, thats why you aren't president and hopefully not even a social member of any grass roots sporting club...

Now i'm going surfing, the point is pumping...

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:25pm

A bit curious shorty by this statement:

"You would remember when COVID entered stage left and we went into a lockdown because we were told we had to flatten the curve to not overrun hospitals. That's what was 'sold' to us. Problem-Reaction-Solution. This hospital jam never happened and certainly isn't the case today."

The jam never happened because we went into lockdown and flattened the curve, not because of P-R-S.

Just a couple of weeks ago in the UK the NHS launched a “home and hotel” plan to create room for emergency cases or new admissions in hospitals, and to stop parts of the health service from imploding. Why? Because their hospital system is being overrun with COVID patients.

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Hiccups commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:25pm

Those are 3 pretty sick burns shortstuff.

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I focus commented Friday, 5 Feb 2021 at 1:42pm

Anyone have a serious take on what Australia will look like once all vaccinated?

This considering the life of the vaccines (unknown) and likely ongoing transmission even if the disease consequences are reduced.

Still quarantine for international arrivals due to mutations?