Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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seaslug Saturday, 16 Jan 2021 at 7:50pm

haha, good one Supafreak

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GuySmiley Saturday, 16 Jan 2021 at 8:03pm

Yep ....


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truebluebasher Sunday, 17 Jan 2021 at 1:11pm

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Supafreak Sunday, 17 Jan 2021 at 4:05pm

Not sure when this interview was but obviously around the time Victoria was in trouble, government probably wanted gold standard clinical trials so what are you supposed to do ? Get 1000 old people give 500 treatment and 500 placebo and watch how many die ? I believe in the next 6 months now that doctors in US can prescribe ivermectin for covid that there is going to be significant difference in death and hospitalisation.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 17 Jan 2021 at 8:51pm

re: udo / Supafreak
Reckon Scomo is readin' yer posts...

We could do without an Age Care Pfizer Vax Slab Crisis.
We'll just double up on the Chem' Warehouse Ivermectin...

Been minding yer spot in the Vax queue...(Gee thanx!) See ya!

Most recent Oz polls..
75% -77% will Vax! (Down from March 2020 - 87%)
Young greenie chix love Masks, Vax, Closed Borders > "Hot Spots / Lockdowns?"
Masks 54% SA > 80% NSW
Bucket Loads of Oz Covid Stats

Here's an even weirder Vax Poll
Oct - Dec (Every Nation dropped in Vax acceptance...but one!)
'US' - Vax acceptance rose 5%... so naturally > US runs outta Vax...(Bugger!)

Note Aussie CSL said they can't do 2 batches at one time.
Said they gotta run out the 50m AstraZeneca brew then flush the pipes...
They're looking at Novavax for the next Brew.

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Supafreak Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 5:11am

When a journalist asks Paul Kelly about ivermectin his answer confused me , surely he’s paying attention to what the rest of the world is experiencing.

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Stok Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 10:07am

Anyone find it funny how with the anti vax / conspiracy crowd, you can't trust main stream media, until they report on further investigations into the deaths in Norway?

Also, the vaccines in Norway were administered to 80 yrs + 'people with severe underlying health conditions' - but to the anti vax - it was clearly the vaccines which you should reject and not take part in.

Reverse this around and all you hear is....Covid's not killing people, it's their underlying health conditions / age!

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stunet Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 10:24am

I see it on friends FB feeds all the time.

The other version is:

Don't trust MSM sources, but trust a person on FB they just came across with handle 'Qanon warrior 189'.

Truth is just a jigsaw where you find the pieces to fit your theory.

In science they call it 'hypothesis shopping'.

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Dx3 Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 10:28am

Yep Stok spot on. Honestly so many people are that far gone with all this covid stuff that for them it's purely political now, and regardless of whatever is said or done, if it's done by the political side they support then they will back it in,

Case in point is the Aus Open. All of Dan Andrews' biggest fans in Victoria are wildly cheering on the lockdowns of Victorians trying to come home from other parts of Australia which have a very small number of active cases, despite the Vicco's having negative tests, yet they see no issue with the tennis players and support crew flying in from countries where Covid is absolutely rampant.

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Stok Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 11:18am

Tell me about it would've thought the risk is way too high. I swear if we have another lockdown....!

Also...hypothesis shopping is good term. Very apt. I guess you could also lay some blame on the algorithms which reinforce such a thing, by returning results to searches which only put people deeper down rabbit holes.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 12:48pm

100% Stok

These over 80+ people that died were also in aged care, which generally indicates they are not only old but cant look after themselves and almost always have one or more health conditions.

Chances are many of these people could have died in the same week even without the vaccination, but yeah it might have also been the thing that just pushed them over the edge too.

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san Guine Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 1:35pm

397000 deaths and nearly 24 million cases in US as of yesterday (John Hopkins), and so on it goes.

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philosurphizing... Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 1:36pm

Meanwhile in Israel the Jerusalem Post reports 13 people suffered facial paralysis after their first covid vacine jab.
Doctors are guaranteeing a free face lift if the other side of their face gets paralysed after the second jab.
Happy customer.

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san Guine Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 1:51pm

He does look like a satisfied customer

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Supafreak Monday, 18 Jan 2021 at 5:45pm

A very long read and I honestly didn’t understand all of it but got the general gist.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 2:58am

What's of concern is no National Vax recording system has been discussed.
Surely Proof of Vax is the easiest most useful thing on the check list. (Who cares!)
Makeshift Apps will empower bullies to smash yer head thru their door...(Sorted!)

Dating apps for Vaxed
IT Overlord Vax apps-Yep! Gotta do all that shit again cause no one gives a fuck!

Just open the door & let 'em in!

Vax transferred from Health to Human Services during No Vax = No Life.
Covid Vax is not Mandatory but is administered by Human Services ...(Go Figure!)
Human Services will promise to get the best price for yer intimate dirty laundry.
Medicare alone pulls in 250,000 requests for 5m Peak-a-boos...Vax is a goldmine!

Israel sold out patient data to Pfizer in exchange for #1 Vax delivery @ 3x the price.
All Abraham Accord got early leg up for Trump + All want Palestine gone!
As occupiers Israel is obligated to vax Palestinians living amongst them...(Oops?)
'Just step over the unvaccinated pov' & maybe take yer phone off the hook.
Media! Israel Vax Rollout is so fast it's likely to finish by Election Day? "That's Fast!"

Israel will Accept Vax Cards...NSW/Qld already legislated against "Certificates".
Israel say green Vax Passport gets them into any Airport...Oz says Vax Card is shit!
Oz say no international Vax travel. (Mid Year o's Student Vax app trial...maybe!)
Again...This is about 100% Social Credit ID...a Vax Card is old school feel good!

UK / OZ / Germany / Israel have all said they plan to use Vax / app to "Segregate".
New World will cost a lot & can't afford losers hanging off their Shiny Rocket Ships.
Vax will rid the world of Poverty, Disabled, Elderly by Poll driven Denial of service.
Waving a crumpled Vax card buys more prison time than waving a gun!

Cyborgs get Airline Flights / Transit / Venues / Pubs / Clubs / Pokies / Coffee.
Note all are app 'cabin space'...Road Cams are fitting Driver ID Biometrics.
As tbb said...these are tickets for Shiny Rocket Ships...get out of my way you!

By law, each time you enter or rest in a CBD setting you must surrender Biometrix.
Unis & others require Doorway ID between classes. (Sure! It's all about Vax!)

tbb's hands fumble & drop most things upon a busy entry.(re: Bus steps)
A phone is tricky to grip & operate on quick entry...queues would bank behind tbb.
Being a fumbling weakling don't win any VIP [ Vax card ] exemption in 2021.

Only a MyGov app can get you into yer fav' Gig...The Vax is just a Cyborg vessel.
All here know fake Vax apps will be uploaded for a TikTok song.
All about states meeting their 100% National Biometric Compliance targets.
Sure! tbb is overthinking it...but that changes nothing! App is mightier than the Vax!

NSW service app / Qantas app & Qld don't even have one?
So our National Vax Rollout is policed by on the run laws by any bully in each State.
As it stands...No one knows shit about Vax Compliance, least of all Scomo & States.
tbb again alerts crew to what they already knew...they just make it up as they go!
Sure! Let's all line up for 1/2/3 Vaxes cause no one's really counting...are they?

PS: NEC are now doing OZ 5G rollout > 99.9% Biometric Mask-reveal / Voice cams

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happyppl Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 7:30am

Swellnet who is the censor of the forum tweets??

I don't comment much but am deleted within 24hrs

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thermalben Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 7:39am

No-one's deleting your posts (or tweets?) happyppl.

Maybe it's on another thread? You posted twice here, yesterday.

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happyppl Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 7:50am

Can someone with medical knowledge explaain why all these covid "jabs" are at 90 degrees and full length needle into muscle and not blood veign?

Check out the tv shots nxt time they show a "jabber"

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happyppl Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 7:59am

Thankyou thermal, appeciate speedy reply .and forum comments

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lostdoggy Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 8:10am

3 types of injections
-Subcutaneous (under the skin)
-intravenous (into a vein)
-intramuscular (into the muscle)

Most vaccines are intramuscular into the deltoid muscle, what you’re describing is like this happyppl? So no different to normal?

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Ralph Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 9:01am

Regarding the article posted by Supafreak above.

Just reading the conclusions at the end of the article is useful

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san Guine Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 9:24am

There are so many ways to give medication.
Vaccinations are usually given into the deltoid muscle (upper arm) as it is well vascularised (ie. has lots of blood vessels) and therefore can be distributed round the body easily. You can also apply IM injection into the thigh (vastus lateralis) or gluteal muscle.
IM injections are far less risky than IV, due to lower risk of haematoma/trauma (bruising), introduction of pathogen (via peripheral line infection) and sheer ease of administration.
Lostdoggy is correct we also give meds S/C, IV, IM but also IO (intra-osseous) into the long bones-this is only an emergency procedure when patient is crashing and we can't get IV access (does not apply to vaccines).

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san Guine Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 9:30am

Also other IV options include:
CVC (central venous catheter), usually via inner-jugular, subclavian or femoral vein;
Vascath for CVVHDF (short term dialysis in critically ill ICU patients);
Permath/Portacath usually for Chemo patients.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 6:06pm

great insight san Guine & lost doggy...
Recall Sept 2020 Labs & Govts were sold on Gene Guns for Vax rollout.

Less people died in (Nov) Wuhan Flu outbreak than (Jan) Pfizer Vax Outbreak.!
Wuhan Nov 17 > (29 Covid Cases) Dec 4 (Jan 11, 2020- 1st death)
China wish to keep their cuddly Covid but Quarantine the Deadly Pfizer Vax strain.

CDC : "The risk from the Vax is less than a 'Severe' case of Covid!"

Sounds terrifying, then realise their CDC scare Campaign may be a Covid Hoax.
Vax Rollout +(Warning) presents more Deadly than a creepy Covid Rollout

Vax Roll Out > Adverse Reactions (Recap: These Deaths came with forewarning)

UK-8 Dec 2/50,000 (Day 1) [ Warning! Do not come near this Vax ]
US -14-23 Dec - 21/ 1.9m + *1 death of Doctor (Alaska 2 health workers reaction)
Israel 20-30 Dec -51med /650K -*4 deaths 75-88yo >(19 Jan)1,127/1.7m -15 Hos
Norway 28 -31 Dec -(29/33,000 -75% 80+) Jan - *33 die 75-90yo (9 med / 7 ill)
Germany 28 Dec (79-93 yo *10 deaths /842,000) + 6 shock /325 react / 51 severe.
Switzerland- * 1 death -91 y/o
Italy -100 Medics refuse Vax / 10 refuse to vaccinate the Pfizer Vax.

46 Pfizer Vax Deaths spread over 5 nations after 5 weeks (After many Warnings)
Zero Covid Deaths > virus is stuck in one corner of Wuhan after 7 weeks
WHO will surely declare 46x more deadly / 5x more viral Pfizer Vax as a Pandemic.

So this is Aussies 1st choice for a vax? Doesn't hurt to double check!
Here's what the lucky survivors can expect...

Israel Pfizer Vax immunity progress...
12 days Protection kicks in.
14 days after 1st Shot 33% fall in infection Rates
17% / 1,095 of Current Covid ICU (Have had 1 shot)
2nd Vax buys 6 months Go Anywhere Pass...just not Australia.

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troppo dichotomy Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 7:06pm

How many Covid deaths have we had in Australia?

I hear about cases showing up from all over the planet into Australia.

Case numbers and lock downs.

Give me convenience or give me death.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 8:22pm

The bun fight heats up Why are Aussie journalist so quite on this subject ? Why did Professor Borody hit a brick wall in August ? If Australia approves ivermectin for early covid treatment and as a preventive for frontline health workers then some questions of the government need to be answered . I can see scumo using his get out of jail free card “ we were acting on expert medical advice at the time “ meanwhile labor look silly for their attacks on Kelly , there is an election coming up after all. Whatever happens I just hope we move forward in a positive healthy way.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 19 Jan 2021 at 10:49pm

It’s bizarre what’s going on in South Africa.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 20 Jan 2021 at 1:46am

Superfreak is right to double check...
Right now Science is splitting into 2 camps. Ok! (Fortress (vs) Cubbie)
Evil Rich : (GOF Trolls) WIV / WHO / Lancet / Democrats / Gates / MSM / Scomo.
All lying suckholes, that are happy to walk over corpses to show how nice they are.

Good ( Straight Up ) Self Funded - Nobel -free Scientists (Still have pride)
Growing number of Alt media are pushing MSM to swap ranks, one by one they are.

How bad is it getting?
Evil group are celebs in China & are blocking any WIV lab access.
At least until The Deen Bros have finished their Sweep & Bat Lady has bleached!
Still a few daggy dad MSM Pin Ups on how WHO are saving the World from Evil.

(Lancet) Richard Horton got booted from UK (Chinese adopted-Awarded Comrade)

WHO appoints Bat Lady's Pet Lab Rat - Daszak to stall Team for Deep Lab cleanse.
This is WHO's idea of impartial...Hire the geek who covered up the Pandemic!
Note: Helen Clark was asked to step down from CEO for Chinese links.
Pretty sure the whole WHO Origin Team speaks the Local Language...(Wot?)

Petitions are mounting to rocket GOF Pandemic Pusher Daszak off Planet Earth.
tbb's many links are there to show this is not going away any time soon.
Dozens more all demanding the Rat walk the plank while the WHO Ship Sinks.

WHO / Lancet are blocking anyone that points to The Coronavirus Bat Lab...(durr!)
supafreak often examples how they censor anyone who undermines their rort.
Change of Govt in US has given WHO a 2nd wind to quell the uprising for now.

You wish we was joking...this has only just begun...WHO's GOF Pharm are nervous.
World knows what they minced into the Meat Tray raffle last Wet Market Day...

Salute scientists sticking their necks out, being censored & stripped of funding.
These biggest of all Whistleblowers (Some Aussies) deserve our support!
We will drain the lake, to fish out the missing keys to WHO's Medicine Cabinet.

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batfink Wednesday, 20 Jan 2021 at 11:58pm

Oh dear. I leave you guys alone for a while and you go all apeshit on me.

Firstly, Supafreak, ivermectin has been proven not to work as a preventative (vaccine) and has no efficacy as a treatment.

Secondly, yes, the vaccines have been rushed through, and new information will come through over the next few months, which is why it is good that we don’t roll it out until March.

Finally, oh for heaven’s sake, stop with the coronavirus conspiracy crap. It isn’t a world government conspiracy, period. There is no evidence of it, and 5G doesn’t cause anything. Donald Trump is not the messiah, he’s just a naughty boy.

And supafreak, yes, people in the medical field would prefer not to have the vaccine if they can avoid it, because they understand, peripherally, epidemiology. But they will take it if something better doesn’t come along, and at this stage nothing better is on the horizon.

Enough of the scare mongers and tomfoolery on this surf website, please.

Linking to some dipshit website does not count as research. Fuckin grow up, fer crissakes.

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batfink Wednesday, 20 Jan 2021 at 11:57pm

And whilst I often think coming to this website forum gives me a real feel for what the punter thinks, in this case I’ve got to tell you to pull your heads in. If you’ve got something substantive to add, or an opinion, go for it, but please don’t try and back it up with anecdotal evidence and website rubbish that accords with your pre-conceived biases.

It is dangerous for you to add shite to this forum, try to be a bit more circumspect.

Oh for fuck’s sake, I hate getting on my high horse. Please don’t make me get back up there.

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 5:38am

Ok batfink let’s see your links on ivermectin has been proven to not be effective as a preventive , get your head out of the sand and look at the evidence and data from around the world . Your statement is typical of ill informed brainwashed uneducated simpletons. Nothing personal mate.

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 5:41am

A great video ( long ) on the history of disease in Australia

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 10:18am

So batfink all these professors , doctors , researchers , icu specialists are just telling fibs about ivermectin as a treatment and prevention , wow u wonder what their motive is ? These are some of the best Medical scientists in the world batfink. Can you please provide your links to dispute their claims .

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Supafreak Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 8:16pm

Here ya go batfink , if you like to check on who did the studies go to bottom of page and the doctors are listed and you can click on them individually , maybe you can then email and tell them they are full of shit.

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batfink Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 10:41pm

There aren’t lots of medical specialists advocating for ivermectin supafreak. Just a few people, and all of the research which has been done doesn’t back up their claims. That’s all.

With apologies though, I shouldn’t post when I’ve had a few, but ivermectin has been looked at. The idea that there is some miracle cure out there that has been suppressed is just entirely unlikely. The difference between anecdotal observations is you quoting individuals, and the rest of the scientific community not backing the people you are quoting, after having done tests themselves and finding that it didn’t work in the way your favourite doctor said it would.

I know quite a few of these researchers, they’re incapable of pulling a swifty, wouldn’t know how. If it was efficacious, it would be world page one news. It isn’t.

If you’re right, I’ll come back and apologise, but what you’re implying is that there is an underground conspiracy to deny empirical research, implying further that there is some cabal of hidden actors pulling all our strings. It ain’t happening on the research front, but it is happening on the political front.

Posting links to obscure websites with no medical standing doesn’t convince me. We can agree that we have different wuorld views.

In terms of big pharma there is great reason to be highly sceptical, but this is bigger than big pharma. Ivermectin is not a cure - it has no vaccination properties, that is a clinical certainty by definition, and so far it has no real medical consensus as a treatment - something that happens after you are infected. Sorry, that’s just the consensus of people who spend their lives studying these things. There are always outliers, sometimes the outliers are right. Mostly though, they are just crackpots.

Sorry, not going to get into posting links battles. I’m sure if I googled ‘frogs legs cure for Covid’, or ‘eye of newt cure for Covid’, I’d get some hits. Presenting websites as verification is a little bit BS. If it ain’t in the British Medical Journal or something similar, I’m really not going to read it.

But again, apologies for being so forthright. The drink makes me say what I’m thinking, rather than just what I think you are open to reading.

You serve no one by these conspiracy theory postings, but you are free to keep posting them here.


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batfink Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 10:49pm

Ok, I clicked on the links. Perhaps you didn’t read it. They are all reporting ‘positive effects’.

FFS, positive effects is not a cure, and it is not a vaccine. What are you claiming? What does ‘positive effects’ mean to you?

Asking for a friend.

I think you misunderstand my position. Mine is that this is not a cure. None of the studies you link to refer to it as a cure or a vaccine. What are you arguing exactly, because I thought you were saying that ivermectin is a cure of some type.

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batfink Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 10:58pm

The more I click on your links, the more confused I become. You supply links that say ivermectin is being used, and seem to argue that ther penis some conspiracy stopping ivermectin from being used.

Would be useful to clarify your hypothesis. I’m now wondering what it is you are arguing.

TBb has posted some useful links without taking a position. If you’re not arguing that there is some conspiracy preventing ivermectin being used at all, I withdraw my comments. Did I totally misread what you are trying to say?

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zenagain Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 11:06pm

In vino veritas.

When in Rome BF.

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batfink Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 11:33pm

Yeah zen. Nailed it. My inner nark comes out. It’s all in the delivery.

Sweet dreams zen.

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zenagain Thursday, 21 Jan 2021 at 11:54pm

And to you Rummy;)

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Supafreak Friday, 22 Jan 2021 at 2:49am

The thing is batfink I’m not implying that there’s any conspiracy or coverup . You are wrong when you say that there’s only a few doctors advocating this . Professors like Borody and Clancy are no fools Borody is considered by many as a genius . If you have a look what countries are currently using this treatment you will be very surprised. The questions no journalists are asking our government is what happened when Dr Borody contacted Dan Andrews and Scott Morrison about rolling out his therapy when Victoria was in crisis ? Why wasn’t a clinical trial at least set up when Victoria had more than 800 cases a day ? Why are people who test positive told to go home and isolate when leading doctors inthis field say early treatment is critical ? What disease do you know of that you go home and wait and see how bad it gets ? All diseases are best treated early . There is no conspiracy just incompetence which has been a common recurring issue. The government admits mistakes have been made and they are still learning. Australia is in the position it’s in because the majority of people have done the right thing . The government is not going to look very good if these lockdowns and deaths in the aged care sector could have been avoided. A smear campaign has been used saying ivermectin is dangerous when in fact it has a proven safety record . I’m not saying the government is involved in the smear campaign but it’s obvious who is . What links are you suss about batfink ? The NIH in the US has changed its status on ivermectin from not recommended to neutral , neither for or against . Drs can now prescribe patients ivermectin at home but not in Australia. We don’t get that choice. When Borody was asked why he thought ivermectin was being ignored he said possibly because there wasn’t a lot of money in it for big pharma. The vaccines rolled out in the UK and US have skipped some steps became of the state of emergency declared by their governments. The problems now facing many 3rd world countries is the black market that has started as a result of ivermectin actually working and people are desperate to get a hold of it . The other problem is with so many people now taking it in these countries doing trials becomes harder as you need to find subjects who haven’t used it to do the trials . All the doctors pushing for ivermectin also say we need a vaccine and some have been vaccinated. People can’t take ivermectin for the rest of their lives but it’s a bridge before vaccination and helps those that can’t get vaccinated for a variety of reasons .

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Supafreak Friday, 22 Jan 2021 at 3:25am

Batfink , the biggest reason for using ivermectin early is it stops the disease from replicating and spreading to organs . This has been explained by the FLCCC . When you have time look at the video I posted from Dr Clancy , it’s long about 1 hour and only talks about ivermectin at the end , the rest is about the history of diseases in Australia and his comments how government and media have handled past breakouts are very true of today’s situation. History will teach us mistakes of the past but history has a way of repeating itself. No hard feelings batfink it’s good to debate things in a civil manner and healthy arguments are welcome. I apologise for sounding of a bit at you, I’m no conspiracy theorist, I just have a lot of questions which can be interpreted the wrong way.

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Supafreak Friday, 22 Jan 2021 at 5:37am

Batfink , here’s my dilemma , part of the reason I moved back to Australia in December 2017 with my wife and daughter from Bali was to look after my mother who will be 85 in March. She is very frail but still manages to walk around the block twice a day . She watches the news and thinks the whole world is mad . She doesn’t want vaccine and doesn’t trust the time it has taken to develop one . She may not be a good candidate for a vaccine it’s something her and her G.P need to sought out . Now the laws in this country prevent her from being prescribed ivermectin for treatment if she were to get covid. This to me is wrong and I understand that there are restrictions placed on doctors so they don’t go prescribing some outrageous treatment for whatever the problem may be . The doctor patient relationship needs to be one where with patients consent in certain circumstances banned treatment should be allowed. I haven’t mentioned ivermectin to my mother i don’t wish to confuse her and just try to keep her happy in her twilight years.When I looked on a government website for current trials, ivermectin is there but they are not currently recruiting, bit hard for trials when only a few cases.Things need to change in Australia and hopefully we move forward this year.