Trump and the risk of war
Chicken little in da house ! I thought that sky would have fallen by now ?
An alternative is that he is the first president to voice the opinion that the invasion of Iraq was a cluster fuck.
You reckon Hillary would have made that call ?
Loving the melodrama though Blindboy !
Keeps things interesting .
In the meantime, he's making nice with Russia and saying that there is too many nukes.
He might be poking China but that was always the US strategy. That shit has been building for a while before Trump came on the scene.
I'm glad he's doing it to be honest.
I find it's just a nice touch to speak the same language as you're international masters , don't you ?
Makes things easy.
And I don't think I've got the drive to learn Mandarin to be honest.
At least 86 by the U.S. since WWII by my count, including full-on invasions, command operations, CIA-backed coups, as well as the use of troops against their own people.
Maybe you should include the 45,000,000 people killed in the Great Leap Forward ?
Lets not forget that China has been a basket case since WW2 and is only now finding its feet...starting with a claim over 95percent of the South China Sea .
Sure the US sings from the same songbook, but at least they gave us 6 Rocky movies.
Blowie, that's 7 Rocky flicks. Homework fail yet again. Trump/God only knows about all your other 'facts'. (Post) Struth!
As for this war shite, is there any $ in it?
If so, Trump will be all over it. Yew!
Come on Blindboy, we know you want to go full retard on this. You've been hinting at it and it must be galling you too have to cut off at drama queen levels. So I say have at it ! Hit us with both barrels.
Addendum- My apologies BB. A quick reread brought to light Trump's "demonic " personality and the mention of the doomsday clock. You went there mate. Hats off.
Any chance of a fantastical imagining of Hilary's rein along similar lines to this one ?
PS Obama government rained down 67000 bombs during his tenure. One every 20 minutes night and day by the maths. Aaahhh ....the good old days where we gave peace a chance.
What was wrong with the previous Trump thread? Why double up?
Anyhoo.... Obama - the longest war time president in history.
26171 bombs dropped by Obama's USA in 2016......
That's right - TWENTY SIX THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE bombs in one year.
Lastly, why talk about the "risk" of war when we are AT WAR? Australia IS at war.
BB, Are you saying Trump is another Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler ?? I assume you fear him so much but can you say he is one those ?? It would be interesting see exactly the evidence that the Russians had hacked the US. I believe to date, no one has actually revealed this. What the CIA or FBI have has yet to be verified.
Cheers for the hard hitting journalism , Blindboy.
I'm off to build a nuclear fallout shelter then.
Does the current thought still recommend cowering under a school desk if I find myself within 10kms of the blast zone ?
Part 4 - threat of dissolution of the Federation of the USA, and resultant break up of states to smaller nations, (California could go it alone) with possibilities of a second civil war in America.
So many possible scenarios. Most of it is really dependent on economics rather than politics. If things work out well economically then nobody will give enough of a shit to start a war. If the world economy goes to shite then it could be on for young and old. I'm expecting it all to hit the fan just before I retire, blowing up my hopes for not working for a very long time. :-)
But in terms of personalities, Trump is fairly stable compared to the nutters he is appointing to very important positions. So many possibilities, nothing particularly likely.
Carry on BB, enjoying the commentary.
And what of China's artificial islands? BB writes
"Yet China does not need to be passive. If the provocation is serious enough, or threatens their territorial integrity, including the artificial islands, they have the power to respond militarily. It is impossible to quantify the risks of this occurring, but easy to predict Trump's response - escalation, and with it the risk of nuclear war or a widespread conventional war."
The old saying goes "imagine if everyone did it"......... Imagine if we all started building artificial islands in international waters, and placing military on those artificial islands..
Yes, Trump is a bully.... yes he is a loose cannon..... But why is there no thread here in politico about China's human rights abuse, and provocation in the South China sea? Why a second Trump thread? BB already has a Trump thread.... Is BB on the Chinese gravy train? (yes - that was tongue in cheek)
What about imminent meteor strike on the Earth ala Bruce Willis' Armageddon ?
Surely that must push the doomsday clock forward a bit ?
Well within Trump's demonic character to guide the planet into the path of a massive hunk of rock hurtling through space at warp speed.
Worse that Pol Pot he is. Worse than the red headed love child of Adolf and Idi Amin.
Worse than a Shannon Noll concert ?
A source from the Presidents intimate circle ( Blindboy ) says - YES !
Nothing is as bad as a Shannon Noll concert, blowin..... Get a fuckn grip, mate
I saw that Nollsie bloke at the Horse the other night...seems like a good egg.
trump has and continues to talk often and blase about nuclear weapons. this is worrying in itself. im pretty sure after Japan few presidents would have talked so loosely knowing what they knew and seeing what they saw. this guy is too dangerous.
"we know you want to go full retard on this"
You seem to be teetering on the edge Blindboy.
Anyhoooooo, back to China......
"Integrity"...... There's a fine word......
"territorial integrity, including the artificial islands,"...................
I wonder how Malaysia feels about China's "territorial integrity".... Or Vietnam.... Or Brunei...
In this situation, I'd choose the USA over China.....
As an aside, I know we're the 51st state and all, but how can we take seriously the propaganda surrounded China and the Spratly Islands?
The U.S has 84 military facilities in Japan alone and hundreds worldwide, including those in Australia.
Clearly we are so under the thrall of U.S. hegemony in this country that we've lost all perspective.
Should we talk about Diego Garcia ?
Or the fact that one of the new Chinese bases in the South China Sea -that they claim ownership over - actually sits inside the Phillipines 200mile economic exclusion zone ?
Powerful wankers wielding their power in the manner of wankers ....who'd have thought ?
Yeah it's fucking crazy.
I thought that title was a pisstake for a second, it seems obvious.
I was working on a boat with a bunch of American good ol' boys - Guns and Ammo mags on the crew mess table and Fox news on the satellite tv, the whole deal.
We were in Livorno on the west coast of Italy and just up the road is Camp Darby, a U.S. military base that stretches for miles right in the heart of Tuscany. This place supposedly has extensive underground structures that house tanks and planes, amongst other gear.
Anyway, one of the engineers on board used to be in the Coastguard and had full military clearance, so off he goes to Camp Darby to do some shopping. He comes back with pop tarts and twinkies and Bud and all sorts of shit. Pretty surreal and worthy of a thesis discussing American culture, military, etc etc.
Besides that, Big Mike the engineer was actually a top guy.
And yes, the Diego Garcia story is heartbreaking, also because there's supposed to be cranking waves there.
as they say...."possession is 9/10ths of the law".
Blowin that last line was gold...
There's not too much worse than a Powerful Wanker really is there?
That's as pure an example of apologism as I've ever seen Blindboy .
Always knew you were willing to trade individualism for the collective , but never realised you were straight communist.
Certainly explains having the CCP cultural attaché round for a barbie.
No one else's business when an un democratic nation usurps control over the worlds largest trade shipping route ...interesting.
You familiar with China's intervention - its way more acute than mere influence - in Australia's domestic politics ?
So after 2000 words wringing your hands over Trump's "demonic" character, you now tell me it's not about morality.
And when you defend China, believe it or not , you are defending China specifically.
Two nations with out of control power issues.
And you narrow it down to one man's shortcomings .
Now that's specificallity.
Maybe a war with China played out on the distant region of Asia would be a good thing for the USA ?
Maybe not so good for you and I or the poor saps that would have their lives catastrophically altered - if not ended - by such an event , but maybe like WW2 the US would actually prosper from the conflict.
If you want reduce it to political motivations without impinging on morality.
Is that why China is building a military base in Djibouti ?
Because poor China is fraught with worry over its sovereignty ?
You seem to be struggling with the idea that China may not be the innocent lamb that you'd like to imagine it is.
Global expansionism with nefarious intent to subjugate foreign nations - look it up.
USA didn't invent and doesn't own the concept of domination.
blindboy I agree with your assertions about the insecurities of both Trump & China, however I don't think China is necessarily as clean & cut as you make them out to be. Certainly Tibet & Taiwan would agree with me there and I'm sure Pakistan & The Phillipines would agree too.
Trump is certainly flawed however I believe China has made these expansionist moves over the past decade mostly because they have not yet been challenged. If they had been blockaded upfront perhaps this circus never would have gotten this far as now they have suddenly become entitled victims who are simultaneously playing the bully.
It's doubtful the PRC would ever risk a war as they run the risk of losing control of the people. Nothing ruins propaganda like reality. They also consume so much that if shipping routes were blocked they would be eating each-other within a fortnight. And I'm sure this wouldn't go down well with the new Chinese middle-class, who would suddenly be poor as the factories they work in no longer have anyone to manufacture for.
The PRC likes the smiling backdoor diplomacy as it allows them to appear in control however with no military experience other than misguided rhetoric they know that any conflict will end poorly for them, even if they do possess a larger army.
Russia, on the other hand is a wild card. They hate the USA, Germany & China. If history is anything to go by then I'd guess they will wait for China to fall on its sword and then sweep up as many neighbouring countries as possible, just like WW2.
Regardless of what happens China is now too big for its boots and someone needs to point it out. Russia is so heavily sanctioned that they are now running out of options. And North Korea can't honestly expect to keep living in the dark ages for another generation without someone letting the cat out of the bag...
...and these 'boots' are made for...? Walking? Dancing? Stomping? Spot of gardening?
The majority of their economic growth is from overseas consumption it's no miracle, they are the cheapest country to manufacture in. The only miracle is that the ruling class haven't been turfed out yet. The more educated the Chinese people get the flimsier the communist party looks. One big round of sanctions and China would implode and the "One China" policy will be remembered in history along with other mental expansionist ideas like "Lebensraum" and the USSR
Blindboy - you say China's actions go beyond your current concerns immediately after initiating a thread and writing 2000 words regarding your fears of Trump being involved in a war with China.
Is this personal ?
Did The Donald grab you right on the pussy ?
As far as I can tell from my current location at the heart of international politics ( sunny Bali ) , Trump is just the latest convenient figurehead with accordant personal values used to distract the public so that those that actually control the USA can continue with their business. Of course he is a fuckstick that's in it for the power and money , but I think that makes him a politician not deranged.
Unless of course you believe that Trump came up with the idea of confronting China on the world stage of his own volition .....and managed to commence staging this confrontation a good five years before he ran for office.
China's expansionist agenda is plain as day and I believe there will be a day of reckoning regardless who is fronting the USA , who are loath to see any diminishing of their hedgemony over world power.
So for Australia, which is currently overseen by the US, and is an amazing place to be though the screws are tightening somewhat due to their extreme capatilist ideologies , the alternative of being ruled by China would be a nightmare.
The opinions you've got on Trump ? They'd land you in gaol if we were under the iron fist of the communist party. Makes the free speech furore of 18c seem quaint by contrast.
That is the reality . Liking Trump or not is irrelevant. The US is going down this path and I hope they succeed with containing China though I certainly don't hope for war.
PS You've heard about China's interest in Fiji haven't you ? Supplying them with weapons etc. what do you reckon that's about ?
Maybe they've just got a thing for beautiful Pacific sunsets and bright corals ?
"Trump and the risk of war"
No matter what president USA elects there is always a risk they will get involved or cause a war.
When and who was the last USA president that was in power when the USA was not involved in a war???
ID: Clinton/Bush Jr. 2000.
But don't just take my word on it, here's Alex!
Longest without war shenanigans was FDR. 1935 - 40