Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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upnorth Saturday, 2 Jan 2021 at 7:38pm

Thanks TBB, will pass it on.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 12:13am

UK 4 week Vax is now a 1-2 day > 12 week Mix'n'Match Vax Cocktail. (True!)

Pfizer/Astra /Moderna (3-4 week Test Vax!) UK Govt say 1-12 weeks suits us also!
CDC (Vaxes are not interchangeable) > UK Govt just approved Mix'n'Match Vax.

UK Vax Expert J.Moore Cornell Uni : "Officers in Britain seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess!"
Mixed 1/2/3 untested vax delays / doses / untold reactions / messed up records.

Vax rollout from Hell...(Anti Vaxerz got emergency funding for a new Club House!)
Can't tell if tbb is joking anymore...does it really matter...just make it up as you go!

California Uni Dr Tien :
"None of this is being Data Driven right now. We're kinda in this Wild West!"

No extra Health Staff or Military for 'School Testing' so now Schools Out Forever.

UK Vax Card has no ID number / Dose amount / Hospital ?
There are 3 vaxes requiring 4 varied doses (4 mixes x 4 size = 16 combos)
Clinics prepare & upload 16 different mixed dose combos for individual records.
Vax Card Records are worthless & don't record this level of mess.

16 Vax cocktails won't comply internationally...Brexit are now trialling Vaxxit.
Now imagine each country following UK lead = 3,120 Vax combos for Airports.
Each different 5 or 6 vax & dose mix amplifies to 10,000-20,000 on & on & on.
No one is asking UK to set an example but please rethink your World Chaos Plan.
Who voted for a vax test computer bigger than the Airport to stamp a passport?
What insurance company would cover a Vax Cocktail? (Smell another rort!)

NHS Vax Card :
[ Don't forget to attend your appointment to have your 2nd dose of vaccine.]
[ You will have the best protection after two doses.]

(Harsh UK Winter Chill freezes over....)
[ Don't go worrying about your 2nd appointment ...we just cancelled it for you.]
[ 1st dose is always much better...2nd dose is so overrated.]
[ Can try the mouldy Lucky Dip for a Qantas Vax app.]

(Guilt Tripping the Elderly as Homicidal maniacs should smooth things over.)
Former director of UK Immunization :(Big fan of the anything goes scheme!)
"Everytime we give a 2nd dose right now, we are holding that back from someone who is likely, if they get coronavirus to die, and much more likely to die than someone who has already had a single dose!"...(tbb: 'That is some heavy shit man!')

Vax mix Technical Term is Heterologous Prime Boost.("No one's ever done it live!")
UK mixed trial is to start Jan & includes Pfizer / AstraZeneca / Moderna

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truebluebasher Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 2:48pm

Operation Warp Speed hits Reverse Gear.

Many headline "US Vax Disaster" (Yep! Same as UK!)
Spin is that Vaccine response mirrors the virus response (Too slow & ineffective!)

Sept : Trump pledges 100m vax by end of 2020
Reduced US Warp Speed target of 20m vax (40m doses) by end of 2020
2020 (end) 12.5m doses have been distributed.
2020 (end) Warp Speed Doses are stalled at 2.8m

[Factcheck] 1947 NYC vaccinated 5m in 2 weeks.

So Wotz gone wrong?
Let's cue the Pollie blame Game.

Firstly Med crews must choose Vax (vs) Tests ( There is no next level Vax crew )
Oddly, some Frontline staff are refusing the vax.
Side Effects are biggest drawback! Hospitals will only offer a few staff at a time.
Simply can't lay off all your staff for 2 days all at once. (Unplanned slower staging)
Many 1st responders are on Xmas break & vax has to be saved for them.
Lack of staff can take 80 phone calls to get a response from aged care.
2nd Vax doses can only be ordered after record keeping of 1st vax is in order.
There is a huge lag in Vax records (Slower than expected!)
This 1st dose list is delayed by holidays so 2nd dose orders are also then delayed.

CDC: New Vaxes require complex admin learning curve.
Platforms, cold storage, precious-handling all with depleted run down holiday staff.

Doses have been left to expire through criminality or lack of planning.
Florida is tired so defaults to a first in - first served policy out of sheer exhaustion.
69 y'old waited 14 hrs in a super spreader queue for a vax & wouldn't do it again.

tbb above showed the insecure latch only access to $millions of vax
Also noted that US frontline crews are bullied behind Govt / Corp Health CEO's
Health CEO's just extended to Pharm Staff & Pollies jumping frontline also.

Biden says at this pace it will take years... not months! [re: 9 years to be precise]
Pledges 100m doses in 1st 100 days ('How! With same roll-out infrastructure!')

Here's the new CDC - US Vax tracker Map

Canada start Vax today.

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Blowin Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 4:25pm

Classic the way they skewed those statistics into another Evil Whitey hit piece despite their being virtually no correlating data referring to this abhorrent theory.

Probably better than acknowledging those in the medical profession understand better than most just how rushed this vaccine has been and the hundreds of billions of dollars awaiting those who attain first mover advantage amongst the highly unethical pharmaceutical corporations which would prompt the kind of misconduct within the space that’d curl your toes....literally.

Oh wait....leaving room for skepticism regarding the safety of a vaccine developed in unprecedented time and which generates unprecedented profits is considered anti-science isn’t it ? Lol.

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Supafreak Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 5:28pm

I’m not antivax just anti rushing in , I have talked to my G.P. , he doesn’t trust the vaccine and thinks it’s been done way to quickly, spoke to mates wife who is a rehabilitation nurse in aged care , she said no way will she be lining up , spoke to icu nurse who’s a friend of the family she won’t be getting it . Trust is the major concern from all 3 . What’s going to happen to medical staff who refuse ? Can they still go to work ? The links TBB has provided are well worth reading and opened my eyes to how difficult this roll out has been, the government has there work cut out in earning people’s trust.

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Supafreak Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 5:43pm
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indo-dreaming Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 6:56pm


Let's be realistic.

Aussies are months away from getting the vaccination and even then most Aussies wont access to it for another few months, so short term the rest of the world is the guinea pigs.

If there is some long term issues, well we aren't going to know until long term.

What do you suggest we just go on living like this for ten years on the odd chance there is some negative long term effect?

Maybe doable for Australia but not much of the world where Covid is going crazy.

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Supafreak Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 7:33pm

Indo I’m not suggesting anything , as scumo said ,for a rollout to be successful here in March Australian’s need to have confidence in the vaccine, I’m saying from those I’ve spoken to there isn’t a lot of confidence , there doesn’t appear to be a lot of confidence in the US either and the UK is falling apart. Indonesia trials aren’t going well as gathering the information hasn’t worked out to good and they are relying on the data from Brazil trials. Most of what I’ve been looking at indo is what other countries are looking at as in treatment. Once you have had covid and survived the antibodies your immune system has built is better than any vaccine.

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shortenism Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 8:32pm

Yep, if something looks and smells like a turd it probably is a turd.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 8:55pm


Everything seems to be on track according to Health minister Greg Hunt.

Hot off the press today.

"Australia is 'ahead of schedule' for COVID-19 vaccine plan

Australia is "ahead of schedule" in the federal plan to roll out a national COVID-19 vaccine, the country's Health Minister Greg Hunt has said.
Mr Hunt today announced the government has finalised its contract with Novavax - which will secure more than 40 million doses of the vaccine.
If proven to be successful and safe, the injection will be made available in the first half of 2021."

Unless something drastic changes, vaccine will be rolled out here sometime after March.

If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, thats up to you, no one is going to force you to take it.

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Supafreak Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 9:01pm

And what about doctors and nurses that don’t want to take it ? Will they be allowed to work ? Indo I don’t think you really understand where I’m coming from. I’m definitely not anti vaccine but if that’s how you want to portray me , that’s up to you

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Supafreak Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 9:01pm

And what about doctors and nurses that don’t want to take it ? Will they be allowed to work ? Indo I don’t think you really understand where I’m coming from. I’m definitely not anti vaccine but if that’s how you want to portray me , that’s up to you

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upnorth Sunday, 3 Jan 2021 at 9:32pm

TBB interesting links although I'd be cautious quoting some of the media outlets you reference. Coverage has generally been alarmist, covid doesn't change competition for clicks.
A bit of perspective. Before first approval most commentators were describing the roll out of a vaccine as an unprecedented logistical challenge. The UK has now approved 2 vaccines with a million doses administered and currently 300k a week which will increase to 2m. France by comparison isn't at 300. The MHRA have taken what is imo a sensible decision to prioritise the initial dose to as many people as possible. Relative to other countries the UK is doing ok, only Israel and Bahrain giving more vaccinations per 100 people. As the kinks are ironed out, capacity will increase as with testing, if you accept that the vaccines should've been approved and should be administered then the roll out in the UK is going as well as can be expected.

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truebluebasher Monday, 4 Jan 2021 at 1:22am

upnorth is quite right but equally some media is also tone deaf. re: Oz [AIR]

indo- dreaming is also right...Scomo is waiting before locking in Vax priority.
Logistics of Hot outback naturally wastes vax so Oz ordered 3rd highest amount.
Govt naturally are waiting until end of Summer to start rollout in March
That's probably the most sensible vax news we've heard for a while.

( Note US say their Test Teams are the Vax Teams)
Interesting fact that only 40% of Flu Vax is on (AIR) Aust' Immunization Register
Meaning Oz has never recorded more than 40% Vax on 'short term' records.
AIR only records basic info not suitable for 2 x Covid vax + Efficacy + Monitoring.

In other words OZ biggest real time Oz Health Data Base with monitoring access.
We're talking about Scomo tracking every Vax for every freckle.
100% [AIR] is Total vax (chain) Mandatory & tracked by Scomo...(Fines $6,660)
Who else spotted 666 Big Brother Fear Factor...(Tabled in Dec / Parliament)

Govt want Mandatory reporting of Vax & Small personal GP's are in the firing line.
GP's did argue on patient's behalf to choose on sharing info with new 666 Devil.
You know! Those Vax that would lose yer job in an aged care home!
Who is this Devil...don't need tbb to answer that...have a guess... You got it!

The very last person in Oz you'd trust to guard #1 info > Stuart (Fumbles) Robert.
Now you all know why Scomo told Oz media to keep their noses out of it!
Not joking...there's a few snippets in Med Magz but news is burying the Vax Vault.

Here's how that works...

On the flip - Oz Govt gets a tick for sharing real time Australia's total Covid Tests
22nd Jan 2020 > 2nd Jan 2021 = 11,377,594 Tests on (9 million persons) Approx

Oz Tiers 1 > 5 (50+) then possibly Free Vax rebates for 25 y'o > 50 y'o July -Dec.
Govt have allowed 9 months for all adult vax then 0-25 get vaxes in 2022.

One must consider Oz extreme weather cutting access & spoiling vax.
So the race against next Summer is no breeze, communities will need to step it up.
Clearly any Oz / State Govt will win a trophy for a 2021 roll out.

Oz Tests 315,000 / Week now with 6-8 hr queues in Qld/NSW/Vic/SA
All states = Oz 200-300,000 / wk - Rough maths on steady (Not crazy) Queues.
Account for 2 covid vax doses...

Most States currently run peak 5-10,000 / 6hr > 12hr vax day > ( x 2 for covid )
Not counting record Days as that's unreasonable for highly trained Vax jabs.
The Vax site hours depend on UK mix'n'match is only 6hr day work life.
In fact it's unfair on frontline health staff to run at peak hr vax. > (ADF ?)

Mid 2020 - Original Oz Covid Priority Vax Plan (Now Outdated)

Dec ( Update ) Oz 12 Tier vax rollout extends on UK 11 Tier vax rollout
Each Tier represents (1st + 2nd doses / month re: Vax Trials)...the next Tier & so on.

There is a hint of a more pointed order released by PM's transcript....
1st Jan CMO : "Health > Aged Care > Elderly > Vulnerable!" (A few missing on list!)
As reality sets in more priority groups are filtering down the Tiers.
PM seems to think Oz #1 vax regulations will give us a better shot at immunity?

Late Jan 2021 ATAGI will release an updated order based on Vaccine availability.

PS: Has anyone got the costings or contracts for AIR ...
Telehealth foreign CEO's or Qantas 'Flight Pass' have gotta be in on this rort..
Oz Govt! Not medicos will own all Vax data for each citizen & fines apply.
Govt not Health will decide which 1 of 1,000 worldly Mix'n'match vaxes gets a tick.
Sure it's good Health practice, so why does it look & smell like a Covid currency.
Maybe if Oz Media stopped cowering & had a crack at it, that won't be happening!

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Supafreak Monday, 4 Jan 2021 at 5:30am

Is this a better meme indo ?

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indo-dreaming Monday, 4 Jan 2021 at 9:03am

Yes it's a great meme if you want people to think you are an antivaxer.

In regard to Doctors and Nurses, being vaccinated...honestly hope they aren't allowed to come back to work or at the very least make them wear a special tag that says not vaccinated against covid, at least that way people have the choice to request to see another doctor.

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truebluebasher Monday, 4 Jan 2021 at 6:56pm

The vax rollout should mirror the virus spread. (Israel fast roll out is most obvious!)
Israel has high population density #17-Israel = 422 pop/km2
Israel can basically bump into each other to get a vax...Ouch! Oops! Sorry! All Done!

#32 UK is no marathon = 280 pop/km2
#145-US is a wide roll out = 34 pop/km2
US vax spoils are already recorded & will be the norm for a vast Large Country.

#192-Oz =3/km2 .Slowest, wasteful rollout needs #1 Vax program.
Oz is only country to mandate Vax for Welfare > Childcare > School > Records etc..

Lancet survey- 2015 Oz Vax are Safe 60-70% (vs) 2018 Oz Vax are Safe 50-60%
Oz free Vax rates (Baby 95% Toddler 90% Kindy 95% > Aged Care 50-60%
Clearly Govt Penalize to achieve 95% kids vax + Aged > (Needs Family Approvals)

2020 Flu Vax (Administered)
1st March 2.1m (Flu season was nearly over 21,266 cases 37 deaths {RIP}
31st May 7.3m = (5.2 million Flu shots / 90 days = New OZ jab record)
2020 - (re: Adult+ Senior) Flu vax 1.73m / month is an Oz record

2021 - (Plan) Age 25 upward Covid Shots (17.5m) /9 mths = 1.94m / month)
2 x Covid shots = 3.8m jabs / month (That's 2 x Oz fastest ever peak vax roll out!)
+ Covid Hot Tests + Airline queue jump Jabs & Labs for Joyce + ICU / Aged care.

Here's a great Alt check at peak Qld Queue Speeds...20/30metres /hr (Ask them?)
Allowing for 2m (Approx SD) 10-15 Tests / hr = Record Clinic Speed.

Covid vax 8 / hr is World safe maximum per clinic / booth. (Slower than Flu Vax)
Also twice as slow & long as current Covid Test queues. (Need to prepare for that)

Govt must consider 2x Staff +(Relief crew) working flat out for whole 2021.
The queues must also be more orderly than present...Govts are copping it!
On every level...our Oz vax rollout will also require a clockwork alert response.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 12:15pm

Oz Vax Law (Employers) - Govts / Tourism indicate mandatory Flights/Events

Former PM Turnbull / Uni NSW + opposition want a hurry up on vax.
Oz opposition
Q : Why is Nat Cab not meeting until Feb?
(PM: I can phone them!")
Q : ALP wants Mandatory pre flight tests into Oz?
(PM : "No! We want everyone who returns to behave like they've got!")

Q : Why Oz has approved Vax sitting idle but rollout is behind 33 other countries!
Q : Why then put the ad spin well ahead of delivery...

PM: " Vax is used in 'Emergency Situations' overseas!...
A number of countries were reporting quite a few problems with the rollout!
We have our scheduled timetable. (Note: Moved forward 1 month!)
We are moving swiftly & safely as can be done.
Oz is not in an Emergency Situation, so we don't have to take unnecessary risks!
We will be well into the Vax in the 1st Quarter.
It was important all Aussies had "Total Confidence in the vaccines."

Note Australia is still under a Bio Health Emergency >( Dept PM points to > EOFY)
Typical Libs...End of Financial Year Vax Tax will Cure Covid..."I feel better Now!"

Vax Distribution is by DHL / Linfox ( Not ADF ) Real time GPS Vax Temp.

New Vax priority (Phase1)
Elderly / Age Care Workers
*Hot Hotels / *Border Quarantine. (*Promotion to Combat the new Mutant Strain?)
Airline /Travel run World Govt's Covid Policy...(NSW Govt "Don't upset them!")

Relegated from Tier 1 (Frontline)...this is likely a misprint, as some report it's Tier 1.
At Risk / Indigenous / Institution-Prisons / Diabetics / Obese no longer Tier 1.
Advancing frozen Pfizer Vax into Hotter climate rules out Indigenous no matter!

Jan - early (was late Jan) - Priority Order (redo) Now > Borders over Frontline.
March - early (was late March) - Vax (Tier 1) Rollout begins with ( Pfizer )
March - end : AstraZeneca comes on tap.

June- Govt are timing rollout & Emergency with Tax Year
31st June >(65 y'o + All Vaxed? ) Health Emergency Over? > (Card Holder Vax?)
July > Qantas Ticket Sales (?) (Tip : Financial Year CEO Queue Jump Vax Rebates)
This poor reporting of makeshift mid year timeline mirrors the Govt uncertainty.
Understand that all Govts have same 'International Policy vacuum' Mid Year Crisis.
Thereby the Travel industry is ransoming all Govts together. (Do as we say or...!)

October - end (was start Dec) End of (Adult) Vax Rollout
2021-xmas (was 2022 early) Oz Biometric vax Passport (Should mirror the Vax!)
2022 (Kidz > U25) This rules out all family / Flight Travel until 2022 Kidz Rollout
(Europe are onto the Kidz passports by expanding upon the Pet travel schemes)
Note: U16 can't do apps...So family travel is Fucked!

Vax Bioscan Passport should be good from week 3 on a 6 monthly jab rotation.
Govts /Airlines/Venues are mandating bonus rort $150 Fake Test because they can.
Some may demand Vax + pre flight Test + In transit Test + Arrival Test or Q $3K.

No return vax supply is ever guaranteed after 6 months.(Take what you get!)
Upon 2nd dose > Untold mutant mix'n'match vax hormones will drive us all mad.
"Lucky Dip might have Monkey or Insect vax or maybe that Brain Freeze Goop ?"
Airport Drug sniffer dogz will loose all sense of smell.."never signed up for this!"

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troppo dichotomy Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 12:39pm

I wonder what would happen if u get both the Pfizzer and Asstrazenca?

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 1:02pm

Seems like we are going to get the vaccine two weeks earlier than planned, i see this as good news

"Australian COVID-19 vaccine rollout brought forward two weeks to early March

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Westofthelake Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 2:26pm

"But it is not yet clear how long protection induced by vaccination will last, or whether the vaccines prevent infection and transmission as well as disease."

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Rabbits68 Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 7:50pm

“I wonder what would happen if u get both the Pfizzer and Asstrazenca?”

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 6 Jan 2021 at 9:03pm

troppo dichotomy..."Heterologous prime-boosting" (re: HIV 1992)

1/2/3 week drug boost Combos are vital for fighting & recovering from Covid.

Where Vax cards or stock goes missing then a combo is also OK.
Consider outback weather or isolation extremes will forgo an expensive 2nd dose.
A ghetto may also elect a cheaper 2nd shot to keep rollout on budget.
CEO Queue jumpers flying by night... 'Wot shit ya got...Hurry...I said Now!"

So if Poms halve the poor's Vax budget & save the World they win a Nobel Prize.

8th Dec 2020 - US Pfizer/ Germany BionTech < (booster) > Oxford -AstraZeneca

11th Dec 2020 - Russian Sputnik V < (booster) > Oxford -AstraZeneca.

1st Jan 2021 - US examines the UK mix'n'match + 2nd shot delay.

3rd Jan 2021- AZD / V Trial ready to start

3rd Jan 2021- UK defend "Alternate Back Up mixed dose "
4th Jan 2021- Analysis

*5th Jan 2021- Can you have 2 different Vaccines & is it safe! (UK's best case!)
It seems there is question of 1st Dose Immunity reaction to same 2nd Dose.
1. (Too soon) 2nd Vax & body attacks new dose triggering a reaction.
2. (Delayed) 2nd Vax may fail to uptake more of the same being too lame..

Crew can see that UK is not approved for 12 week 2nd dose > (Alt radical booster).

"Mix'n'match triggers a more 'durable immune response', less about the vax."
Bingham / Dix: "Whichever Order / WhateverTime!" (We can do this live-1st time!)
Sounds like a surefire stopgap to boost UK's waning 2nd shot rollout!

With 90+% efficacy, companies won't openly mix Vax. > (Behind closed doors?)
Can't see insurance or other nations accepting wild vax cards in the short term.
By 6 month reboot vax ... most will be mixing more & more as a way of life.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 7 Jan 2021 at 1:29pm

Westofthelake asks the tricky Questions
You still have to wear a mask & SD after Vax.
You can still catch the virus (Slim chance) 8 /18,198
You can still pass the virus on (All medicos agree this is unclear! Be cautious)
Trials never included asymptomatic infection
You can't pick which Vax.
You may still have to Pay & do Dodgy Tests

How long does a Vax last...Only 2/100 Health Authorities were willing to answer
First Pfizer Vax Trials began at end of July (6 months to the end of January)
140 days since 'full Lab immunity' until today.

Israel said the had discussed with other nations for approval of following...
They will also be the first to issue Vaccine Passports for just about everything.

Jan (End) Israel is moving fast toward completing 2nd shots of Frontline & seniors.

Health Ministry will issue a Passport 1 week after 2nd Dose...Valid for 6 months.
As you can see...this equals the Start of Trials (End of July 2020)
UK nurse / BBC Natural Covid immunity lasts 6 Months
(Trial or Natural immunity = Lock in 6 months for VIP Vax Passport / Renewals.)

End Jan 2021- Israel
{ Proof of Vaccination Document } = o's entry (No Quarantine) app / Voice / Print
[ Green Passport ] = 6 months (Vax)
( Test Passport ) = 72hrs

With just one of the above neat Israeli passports, all this cool stuff is yours...
Cafes, Stores, gyms, pools, restaurants, Hotels, Theatre, Museums, Cultural Events, Sports, Conferences.

With No must take yer chance in the Zombie underworld.
Birth > School-Bus > Local Store > Work-Train > Death / Church

WHO hates this shit & says no to VIP Rich v Poor Immunity Passports.
Vax is fast becoming the largest longest ever Divisive tool in history.(All know it!)

UK PM : Immunity > Football + Theatre
Oz PM : Immunity > Qantas Vax-borg scans + Ticket Master are Drooling .
Get back to Crash Robert's Biometric Blood Bank > China are Drooling...

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truebluebasher Thursday, 7 Jan 2021 at 1:18am

Our Motherland is facing her biggest battle of all ages.
Surely her Bastard Son will lend a Band-aid or a slightly soiled mask.
Up jumps the Bastard Son to kick Mum in the Varicose veins...Run! Faster!

"Scott Morrison wrongly claims UK is not safety testing Covid Vaccine"

"UK regulator hits Back at OZ PM claims over lack of Safety Testing on Vaccines"

"Australian PM Scott Morrison suggests UK is Cutting Corners."

"Morrison backs down on UK vaccine Safety Claims"

Chinese / Oz Propaganda Cartoonist - claims Ozxit was his Foreign Policy.

This very same Scomo bought stax of UK Vax without any Safety Approval...
Also forgets that he signed Aussies up for Joint Trial of untested Vax.
Pays to remember that we all must suckle our Vax from Mum's teat!

Traitor PM manages to undermine our Vax & Oz #1 Dealer mid peak Pandemic.
Eve of Oz vax rollout : "Don't go sticking that suss icky Pommie vax into yer veins!"
PM's Herd Mentality Prank #1,001...(Spread over the borders my little lovelies)

Albo : "Hey Scomo! Step up the Vax Rollout + I want a National Cabinet meeting!"
Scomo :'No! I mean Yes ! Yes! Right away Albo! I promise to keep 2 steps behind."

** PM's News Polls Skyrocket * ** [WR] Daggiest Bully Dad.
'Oops! Squish! Wot country was that running out of Trading Partners!'

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loungelizard Thursday, 7 Jan 2021 at 10:12am

ok tbb, in words i can understand, is there real evidence of this "mutant strain" in the u.k. being significantly more transmissible? i can only find politicians scaremongering

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truebluebasher Thursday, 7 Jan 2021 at 1:46pm

loungelizard...mutant strain demographics & links...
(Flips the current strain) Youth are now the most vulnerable.
Tues 5th Jan...swellnet COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster.

WA are going spazz over the Mutants...(Check any Newspaper!)

Albo + states want mandatory pre Oz flight Mutant Tests...
Scomo & Joyce only wanna suck pure Oz blood!

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loungelizard Thursday, 7 Jan 2021 at 2:14pm

thanks tbb

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loungelizard ...
Raina expedited the Vax rollout as Mutant strain could deny Oz herd Immunity.
Raina MacIntyre has the Oz vax rollout plan sorted...(Must see for all Aussies)
A bit long & sciency but Raina is a likeable guide & will see you thru to the end.


eg: This is a sample of the Cool stuff Raina shares...[ Doses / day = Cases / Days]
50k/dd = 7,000c/140days > 100k/dd = 1,000c/80days > 300k/dd = 100c/25days
Mass 300k/dd can wipe out Covid in Oz but not the rest of the World.
Only that Oz has never ever done a mass Vax & GP's will come under pressure.
More about keeping health appointments whilst Vax rolls out.

Airlines are now running Oz covid policy ( We saw NSW cower to Airlines)
All Vax rollout relegates Frontline Heroes to promote (Bio security) Heroes

6 Jan- Greg Hunt : (Was heavily influenced by Raina's 4th Jan Mutant Defence)
First Round Vax 1/2/3 ( o's Airline link is now #1 Priority)

#1 Frontline -Priority o's arrivals Hot Hotels > borders.
#2 Frontline Hospital Health Workers
#3 Aged Care
Stage 2 Works down by Age + At Risk > Disabilities> Indigenous ...>
(Stage 5) Is the new end game...but?
ATAGI are finalising Vax List ( tbb tip > see Friday Nat Cabinet )

Mid Feb Rollout..< Early March < March (Now Advancing in 2 week blocks)
Oz Govt swears [ NO VAX MIX ].Our Cool kidz Group don't mix our shit!
Yes! Oz rules a nerd vax club...not doing that shit...cause it's fucked up!

(tbb + Raina note that Vax Mix will soon be norm!) So the Nerds can't sit on that!
Most now believe that better vaxes are coming & all will take them. (Insurance?)
Oz is also unsure of Vax transmission (Trial shortfall curtails hasty transit plans)

PM needs to get up to speed on Vax's not rocket science.
He really is letting the team down & starting wars with goofball comments.
PM is smart enough to lead from the front + all would root for him if he had a go.
As it is, he's just dead weight like Trump & Boris...he's just gotta wise up! Please!
Friday Mutant Cabinet should be a learning curve for PM to get up to speed. Yes!

UK Mutant Test Tour
Vic 5 / WA 4 / NSW 2 / Qld 1 / SA 1
SA Mutant Test Tour
Qld 1 ( Vaxes might not protect against SA strain?) Pfizer thinks maybe?

Oz Mutant Cabinet are looking to shut Flights from UK & South Africa.
o's Airtravel is now Oz priority Cost / Transit / Vax / Health / Police / Army...etc...
Qantas has to be ranked dead last to reopen to public. Can't flip-flop priorities?
Overseas Aviation is now the biggest drain & risk to Oz economy & People.
If National Cabinet pulls the Plug on 1/2/3 Countries will any cry?

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Supafreak Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 5:15pm

Hopefully they work it out .

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tbb promised the Vax Rollout Plans / Maps / Phases (Yes! This week's new one!)

Oz vaccines ( Note 2x doses are currently underwriting 6 month immunity)

NZ vaccine rollout may yet time with Oz (Note a single dose vax is included).

8th Jan - Mutant Star Chamber
(UK + Rest of Oz) A Lifetime Ban > Motioned by Team WA.(Nothing personal)
50% Cap on o's arrivals to WA / NSW / Qld...All say Aye!
Pre Flight (Negative) o's Tests + Masks at all Airports / Flights
Daily Quarantine Staff Tests

Current Mutant Quarantine ('Positive'- 3 day clear can leave after 10 days) True!
New Mutant Quarantine is ( min 14 days + Test & review prior to release!)

30th Nov 2020 - NSW (First UK Mutant)
(UK Strain update)- *Qld 6 / NSW 6 / Vic 5 / WA 4 / SA 2 / NT 1
*Qld GB 3DL Tests > on arrival to all Oz States.

22nd Dec 2020 - Qld (First SA Mutant )
(SA Strain Update) *NSW 4 / Qld 1
*NSW 4 in High Q + 16 passengers in SHA (re: Nervous Wait time)

2021 PM's Vax scare campaign.

1 Jan 2021 PM : (Warning) "It would be very dangerous to rush the Vax rollout!"
PM: Mid Year > 2nd Quarter > End March > Mid March > Early March > Mid Feb >
PM: "I thought you said Fax!"

5 Jan PM : "UK are cheating & cutting corners & not Testing Batches!"
7 Jan PM : "So sorry to the UK, just joking, Geez, lighten up a little!"

7 Jan PM : { Covid -19 Vaccine National Rollout Strategy COVIDSAFE }
Bland Title with overpowering stench of Stuart Robert rort about it!
Was kinda hoping for { Oi! Ouch! Oi! }
Feds run Arrivals / Hot Hotels / Vax ( PM : Just blame Dan if yer needle hurts!)

Mid Feb : Vax Phases (*tbb's non official blind jab in the dark.)

30-50 Hospital (Posh) VIP Pfizer Vax Hubs Only (d = doses) Each need 2 doses

1a - Quarantine-Borders 70K > Frontline 100K > Age / Disabled 508K (1.4md)

*Mid March -*AstraZeneca - *Community Health or *Respiratory Clinics
1b - 80+ 1.045m > 70+ 1.858m > Healthcare 953K > ...(Continues)

*Mid March -*AstraZeneca stores better for Aboriginal Community Health Services
1b - 55+ Indigenous 87K > Risk Youth 2m > Emergency 196K ...> (14.8md)

*Fed GP Respiratory Clinics
2a - 60+ 2.65m > 50+ 3.08m > 18+ Indigenous 387K > Risk' work 453K (15.8md)

* Tax Year *GP's / *Chemists (*Fee / Free with *Private -*Tax Rebate claims)
2b- 18+ Adults 6.643m (16md)

*State Health -Schools (Not yet Decided)
3- U18 - 5.67m

Note no : Kiwis / Airline / Maritime / Olympians / Prisons / Outposts / Embassies.
One wonders do Aussies stuck abroad get a Vax or do Kiwis in Oz have theirs!
Good luck vaxing a Chinese Student, Non union[457] -NRL Pentecostal Missionary.
Rowdy Oz mob lining the ditch waving goodbye to Cuz ...see ya Mate!

Seems rather pointless if Top 10 super spreaders are not on Oz Vax List?
Kinda hoping Scomo was gonna get half serious on Vax....
So how the fuck do we dodge millions of turnstyle super spreaders...Phases 4-400.
Not that it matters, now that the Mutants have taken control..One of us! One of Us!

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AMA (WA) + Many Doctors call for a halt to AstraZeneca Vax rollout .

Calls for Oz to Stop brewing and allocating 53.8 million AstraZeneca Vaccines.
AstraZeneca Vax (62-90%) is too weak to get Herd Immunity...

(Note...the last minute dash for UK mix'n'match...Oz just got sold a Covid Pup.)
PM: "You could've said somethin' guys! Guys!"....(Read the fine print chump...D'oh!)

The weaker vax may also prevent the uptake of other vaxes, we must get this right.

'Many Doctors' wonder why Scomo is stalling & limiting pfizer at (95%)efficiency.
The Doctors + Monash rep are concerned that millions will get the cheap shit!
Doctors believe end game is Herd Immunity & to eliminate Covid.

They are unsure as to what Chief superspreader Scomo's aim is?

Doctors call on Scomo to bin the cheap stuff & rollout contracted Pfizer / Moderna
Moderna needs less Cold Chain storage & is well suited to Oz Outback
Raina (Above) also said the AstraZeneca Vax is good for nothin'

Fork in the Road...

Greg Hunt told Raina to shut the fuck up as her past predictions were well wild.
(That's a turn up, as Hunt is Raina's voodoo slave & hangs off her every word.)
Hunt: "Posh Pfizer needs freezers & in Australia that's near impossible."

Note none of the vaccines have been proven to stop transmission of Covid 19.

AstraZeneca still has some big Wigs prepared to tuck into a Vax Lite!
Doherty Ultra Omo white lab coat Dale Godfrey says a 50% brew does it for him.

Vax'n'Drive advocates agree!

Godfrey's 'glowing endorsement' continues....
The world is queuing for Top Shelf Brew, let's face it, that's too good for us Aussies.
We can't afford the posh stuff so get over it! [ Mod $32 / Pfizer $26 / Astra $3.25)
Our cheaper Brew is on tap & ready to roll out from bogans to outback.

"We really don't know if it will come good + Trials are underway to give us an idea.
We really don't have enough info on where it will fall.
We could start with one vax & get a boost from another 6-12 months down track.

Pause! "WTF happened to all Vaxes are 100% tested with no cut corners!"

Godrey's - Pfizer's 'glowing endorsement' gets kicked to the curb even faster.
Pfizer is not as clear -cut as it's made out with many long term unknowns.
We don't know if it will stop infection & transmission...learn as you go.

Wow! Ok! Just recapping...
So all of OZ lead scientists say all of OZ vax brews are less than useless.
Just reminding of Pandemic Hoax Laws on selling $Billion Sugar Syrup as a cure.

There yer go you're all dead keen to shoot the Line-up.
With [100.01% of the Vote] New PM is Chef Pete (Cough!) ** Polls Skyrocket * *

Oz Laws on Mixing yer brews...
Scomo says that's gross, Aussies won't mix their Coldie with warmer UK Brews.
Experts call for PM to flame throw & stomp on his Daggy Dad BBQ Apron.
It's impossible to rollout PM's brew at same venue 6-12months > Years onward.

Oz Party Animals go the Bath Tub Lucky Dip at least until midnite frostbite shatter.
Oz Mutant strain Fruit Punch with Ciggie Butts & Bottle also still good!
Tell us about it...Oz will line up for free anything & will double back for 2nds.

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philosurphizing... Wednesday, 13 Jan 2021 at 12:50pm

A doctor in Florida died after receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 13 Jan 2021 at 1:21pm

Thanks TBB , so what happened to everything being ahead of schedule and roll out in February ? When Greg Hunt said last year that the vaccine would be rolled out in March I was thinking how can he make that statement when all the boxes haven’t been ticked yet ? Things are just getting better and better in the new normal .Hey indo d , do you still think doctors and nurses who have no confidence or trust in vaccine and won’t take it should wear a badge stating they haven’t been vaccinated ?

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 13 Jan 2021 at 8:08pm

philosurphizing ...good get, crew will double down on that link...(re: Paywall)
Pfizer 29 reactions now = 11.1 / 1million (11 x more risky than usual vax)
From memory the crew ran earlier stat of 1 / 50,000 now 1 / 90,000

The ITP (Doctor's) case affects 2-6 /100,000 in general populace.

ITP was also noted in child (Molecular Flu-Antibody) Vaxes...up to 6 weeks after jab

"Possibly to guide new contraindications or new formulations for specific vaxes, including in levels of adjuvants."

This Blood Clotting (Like real covid) led to the Doctor's Brain Hemorrhage
There was talk of similar clotting showing up in vax...must backtrack for that...
They will be worried about the clotting & if it's long term.
So yes! There was science on this fatal outcome, but it's still playing catch up!

Given that vax is already running at 10 x the rapid reaction levels...
Science would show the Jab also can slow the Antibody reaction in some patients.

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troppo dichotomy Wednesday, 13 Jan 2021 at 9:13pm

I hate needless needles!

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 13 Jan 2021 at 11:39pm

Internet forums are sometimes a really bad place to get information especially when cherry picked or just opinions especially anti vaxers opinions, and as we know these days there is opposing opinions to pretty much everything even so called experts rarely agree.

Personally i would have preferred the Pfizer vaccine from what ive read, but there is a reason why we are going with AstraZeneca and thats that it can be made here and rolled out very quickly while Pfizer we can only get so many doses and it needs to be stored at some crazy low temp which would be problematic logistically, while this vaccine can be stored at temps much higher.

BTW. the most important thing to point out is the 70% effective figure comes from the combination of two different trials with two different separate double combo doses.

One trial came up at 62% the other 90%, so the 70% figure is misleading as obviously we will be having it administrated at the combo dose to get 90% effectiveness. (believe that is in getting sick at all)

As apparently its still 100% effective in preventing getting real sick or dying from Covid

Anyway call me a sheep if you must, but i will let the medical experts figure it out, then be happy to get my jab and get back to Indo and hopefully in time (even if takes years) get back to life without lockdowns etc

Anyway a decent articles from today

PS. Feel for Indonesians they are getting some China made vaccine and worst still trials show it only being 50% effective :(

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Supafreak Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 12:33am

Indo it’s funny how different reports say different things like this one that I posted on another thread.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 1:23am

Qldurrz a Scooby Doo Mystery.

11 UK Mutants FC tour of Qld
129 in Bne Grand Chancellor Hot Hotel will be tested & requarantined
226 workers will also be tested and go into quarantine
Hotel workers test weekly > (Daily by end of Feb) > Qld each shift from Monday!
250 who left since Dec 30 will be tested & Quarantined.

Unknown source is found but > (How the virus spread is the mystery).
Arrived 30th Dec [+] Couple 30's Hubby was the superspreading UK Mutant Mole.
Arrived 1st Jan [+] Man 40's / Daughter 20's
7th Jan [+] cleaner 20's + male partner 20's + (310 contacts tested /96 wait )
That's an A grade 7 day memory list of 400 contacts (Wow!) Nancydrew app!

Note they weren't in adjacent rooms..(Aircon was considered)
No cams?... National Hot Hotel Cams were mandated, even for inside Hotel rooms?
No more arrivals have entered the Hotel.

Quarantine Reset...
All Hotties start a fresh 14 day Quarantine (No cost) "Urgent Incident Response"
Ambulance transfer to other 'CBD' Quarantine 'Hotels' Facility.
Could well be that more cases turn up! Then Wot?

Review + Venues visited

Qld also trialled new Biometric Facial Mask ID...well it certainly explains weird call!
Crew may recall that Qld ruled Masks for lone drivers in cars?...Brizzos went spazz!

Ok tbb what is that retard Qldurr shit about...(Sorry! Needs a multiple choice).

1) Friday 6pm Lockdown Launch of Chinese Didi social credit ride share trial.(Shh!)
Can go to get Tested & get Free tell all video package judged by Govt TikTok fans.

2) Qld MR secret $1,000 fine cams trial for Seatbelt / mobiles, now includes Masks?
Masked drivers were perfect to reset cams for breaches > ( $3,000 Multi fine )
Most Oz Road cams cut off drivers face. (Needed a Covid mask Era upgrade!)
eg: Fine for No Mask / No Brains + Gold Stars for Seat belt / Phone = That's a Pass!

3) Govt tells drivers to don mask anyway to get in the habit of being a good citizen.
Govt said tbb had to include that option or else!

4) India ruled lone drivers inside the car were in Govt backyard > re: cam/belt fines.
Could be that Oz has eyes on Traffic Cam Mask fines (See above).
eg: 11,000 mth Bne car phone chats-takes mask off = ($ 220,000 / mth Pokies)

5) You 'need a mask' in your car to drive unmasked & alone 'thru impact zone'.
So interstate drivers must reach for mask to nod Yes Sir! to Qld Police Statesman.

Note: World Tourism / Bne Airport / Unis would partner all of the above bioscans.
Plenty of choices & all were in play during 3 day Sudden Impact GBR Lockdown..

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Regarding Indo Chinese vaccine just over 50% comes from Brazil study but like all the Covid vaccines this stat is kind of misleading, it is still 100% effective against severe cases and deaths.

So basically if everyone in Indo had the vaccine nobody would die or get very sick or need to be hospitalised but some people would still get flue like effects.

Maybe explained better in the article

BTW. different reports in the percentage figures come from different study results in different countries etc and sometimes these results are combined to get an overall percentage.

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Supafreak Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 9:10am

Yeah indo , my point is you can read a report from one source then read from another source and they can differ significantly. It’s much like politics it all depends who’s writing the article .

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GreenJam Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 3:16pm

gotta disagree with your statement Indo - 'So basically if everyone in Indo had the vaccine nobody would die...'
vaccines arent perfect, sure its a small percentage of people that get messed up or die from them, but it happens, and I'd be willing to bet at least someone within the Indo population will die from this vaccine, but I suspect that would never be allowed to be attributed to the vaccine, just a coincidence...

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truebluebasher Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 3:51pm

Supafreak did you post this MP Kelly's Facebook Ivermectin Ban?

Facebook are actually banning talk of Prof' Borody's Medicare approved Trial.
So! Not banning Craig Kelly's Posts...
But only Nobel Prize winner Prof' Borody's Ivermectin links?
Or else have restrictions placed on yer facebook site.

Nobel Prize Winning President Slayer Facebook can cut out yer tongue.

Kelly was bullied to remove link ....
Also posted a YouTube link which has since been removed for Violation of Terms.

Labor Chris Bowen is backing up Super Power Facebook.
Noting this also backs foreign sabotage of Oz Ivermectin Medicare Trial share.

No Aussie Lab is cheering on dodgy Pfizer or dud we ban them equally?

Better not not whisper [ COVIDSafe ] ...fark! Go to jail!

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Supafreak Thursday, 14 Jan 2021 at 4:37pm

Hey TBB , I didn’t post that particular link but have posted others and I have been following the stoush between Kelly and the labor party and the ABC have also been guilty of distorting what Kelly has written on his FB page . The FLCCC on their FB page have been in FB jail a few times and can’t use the word ivermectin anymore they just put “ I “ instead. Kelly is accused of disinformation but he is sharing the results of government clinical trials so someone needs to give themselves an uppercut. I don’t favour any politician or party but if I agree with what they are saying I’m not influenced by who they are . I don’t agree with Kelly on other issues but I have been go smacked by our government’s lack of interest in Professor Borody and what he’s done in the medical , science and research world . Money has been thrown at vaccine research but very little towards treatment. Other countries have picked up Borody ‘s suggestions and results are coming in . I posted before that the FLCCC have fronted the NIH in the US and a decision is coming in February. The silence from Australian media on this topic and what’s happening around the world is deafening.’m Friends, it appears as though Facebook is beginning to recognize the growing body of irrefutable scientific medical evidence that says {the “I” medicine} can save lives, and dramatically reduce hospitalizations and case counts. A post from the medical practice page of one of our founding physicians, Dr. Fred Wagshul, was taken down for using the full name of the the medicine—and then restored one day later upon appeal. We’re getting close. This was copied from FLCCC Facebook page

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truebluebasher Saturday, 16 Jan 2021 at 1:51am

Supafreak's list is growing longer than WHO's nose...
No longer can say that Covid came from > [ The Lab ]

Dr Li-Meng Yan was censored in China & now cops harsher Free World censorship.
All her peer partnered Covid papers were cut'n'pasted by trendy Social Media.
facebook & Insta are flagging her posts...
Twitter suspended Dr Yan's account on Wed...
Twitter declined to comment.

No scientist claims the virus is natural without ruling out lab possibility.
Fact is, not even WHO can claim an animal passed it on to humans! (True!)

Social Media have no scientific basis for such a ban on a scientist/s.

Many Nobel Prize Scientists & Nation's Covid vax makers share covid lab origin.
These scientists go it alone and are starved of funding for affordable vaccines.
Oz Vaxine also gets shafted for Petrovsky saying the 'LAB' word. (This is very real!)

Say & think what WHO tells PM to do or we end your career for you!

Dr Yan shares another example of the same inhouse WHO hypocrisy...
WHO instructs Social Media to Flag (Affordable) Chloroquine as now Invermectin.

2005 : Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.
Findings by Dr Fauci > #1 peddler of Chloroquine cure for coronavirus.

WHO's banned sciency words...(2 Nobel Prize Scientists / day deletion limit) Sorry!
Here's WHO's (Big Words) social Media Dobber Hotline HQ

Let's flatten the infodemic curve & make them squirm...
Note: This is by same people who for 5 months said Masks are useless.
Also dabbled in trendy Herd Immunity...everyone shake hands at Covid Parties!

Feb 2020 Virus of Origin was set up -(Months before Scomo's request)

WHO: (Wuhan Origin Tour - Final Draft)
"Early Wuhan cases are thought to have occurred in Early Dec." ( Wot year is this? )

tbb will lend a hand...(Actual Wuhan Health Recorded Outbreaks / Cases)
Oct :Wuhan Airport Masks & Heat Checks of 11,000 Athletes ( Did we miss that?)
Oct :Wuhan Games Lockdown for weeks on end + Beatings & Death.(Healthy?)
Oct : Wuhan Military Games Viral Outbreak Health Crisis - (WHO investigation?)
17th Nov > 28 cases > up to 5 / day until Wet Markets Cluster-(We got them now?)

What hope for humanity!...pass yer WHO clipboard & tbb will sign it! See Ya!...Next!

Jan 2021 WHO Wuhan Team Leader Peter Daszak is the Bat lady's pet lab rat.
Peter: "They won't find a trace at my Lab....I used new improved viral strain Ajax!"

WHO (Origin ramble)
" It's possible the Virus came to Wuhan 'undetected' from elsewhere! "
" No evidence to date of Bat thru one of several Animals transmission to Human "
" No evidence of food transmission."

PM's Wet Market Tour is not even remotely his doing or origin or food transfer site.
(Social Media should ban PM's scientifically proven bullshit) No, Why would they!

WHO State of all know the score.

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