The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.
info once again proving he has the mental comprehension of a nit. my point bubblehead was about rent and water being the more salient costs to business/farmers.
Maybe you are going senile?
Heres the parts of your post that weren't about water.
"Regarding fruit picking didn't we hear the same arguments abut retail jobs?
Retail whinged for years about the relationship between weekend penalty rates and profitability when in truth the real problem was largely the rents charged by landlords."
"Further I would like to also ask if the cost of labour is so high for fruit farmers they must break the law and pay below award rates why is it wool growers paying shearers award rates can make a quid and the global market accepts it? Perhaps sheep are less dependent on water than fruit??"
"What are we up to now? Workchoices Mark 3 or is it 4?"
BTW. when talking about fruit growers not all, fruit growers have water issues, or need to buy/rent water.
Ruddy on the money with this one:
Cannot understate the threat the ethical void that is SkyNews poses to politics and society in Australia.
“For those concerned about the cumulative impact of Fox News in America on the radicalisation of US politics, the same template is being followed with Sky News in Australia,” Rudd told the Senate in a written submission. “We will see its full impact in a decade’s time.”
'Rudd says Murdoch’s “template for America”, which was to “demonise the agency of government”, is also his “vision for Australia” and that Sky News Australia is a vehicle for this radicalisation.'
'“It’s a template which Murdoch has believed would maximise his personal, business and ideological interests – by demonising the agency of government; undermining essential government regulation; and most importantly by minimising corporate and personal tax,” Rudd states in his submission.
“Trump achieved all three. It’s also Murdoch’s vision for Australia.”'
Already seen the rot from relatives of mine who were relatively run of the mill conservatives, with whom I'd agree on many points, to then come back after they'd been ingesting Sky for several months to have them shrieking about socialism and the like.
The Guardian .....lol
Blowin ..... lol
info-numnuts ..... lol
Bandwagon much indo
It's just kinda hard to even take articles like that seriously especially coming from the Guardian and Krudd.
FFS Krudd just needs to move on, dudes got serious issues..
Anyway kinda seems like the first step to fascism, let's just ban media we dont agree with because of their political views.
since we're all lolling, here's a bit more tabloid for facto:
the update is '‘Nowhere to go’: Devastated workers vent over closure of Altona fuel refinery'
btw, Facto's Albanese points on previous page were good, and also the New Daily article by Pascoe a couple of pages back so good posts. Looking at that last article, going over to any of the debt clocks for Australia vs what we have seen in southern Europe/US/Japan in the last decade shows that this shit could go on for a long, long time. Lower growth, bad debts not being cleared but just being rolled, zombie companies, the central bank buying the entire bond market - just keeping on the keeping on of status quo.
If it's not in there just make it up hey Indo?
'Anyway kinda seems like the first step to fascism, let's just ban media we dont agree with because of their political views.'
That's just plain not in the article, you made that up. Perhaps you heard it on Skynews, they like making shite up after all, just like they did about Rudd's petition.
Obviously a dying industry and a 70 year old plant, but again also linked to our high wages, why do something here when you can do it elsewhere cheaper?
“Manufacturing’s just about gone in this country. What do we do? Where do we go now? Highly skilled jobs, and we’ve got nowhere to go.”
Wont just be manufacturing in the future either.
With advances in technology like internet/skype etc and a fast growing middle class in Asia where education levels are only getting better and more people learning english, it's only a matter of time before job's that can be done in an office or home go offshore.
Speaking about fuel, here's some for the fire. Seen this, VJ?
Poor Eddie. Poor Collingwood, Just another bloody witch hunt......
One week after Goodes called out "ape" girl...
Bucks never saw or heard anything. Hate for things to get blown out of proportion....
Poor ol Ed still couldn't quite see the forest for the trees. A tear jerker alright....
rabs, eddie was a big problem for Collingwood and the his media affiliations .....I mean systemic racism at Collingwood , "a Proud day" enuff already....he is a relic so lets get on with Collingwood cleaning itself up, and become a destination club for indigenous players!
Yeah saw that Udo also interestingly Simon Buckley who is indigenous and played for
the pies when Harry was there also claims Harry made the nick name up
Eddie’s exit was just as slippery as his tenure. Yeah Brutus, let’s all move on. Hopefully those directly affected can also move forward....
As a kid I went to the footy a lot and I saw and heard some pretty terrible things. Victoria Park was no different to Windy Hill or Arden Street etc. Footy’s roots are hard and tribal on and off the field. As Kevin Sheedy once said all clubs have their nuff nuffs Collingwood just has more of them (what do you reckon indo-nuff nuff?). Sure Eddie is inflicted with foot in mouth disease and he has to go but I don’t think he is alone and I feel he’s and Collingwood’s problems are more broader than the simple headlines paint.
What do i think?
I think indigenous Australian Anthony dillion summed things up in the Sun Herald quite well
" As we all know, on Tuesday Eddie McGuire resigned from the top job at Collingwood Football Club amid claims of racism. And what was his crime?
He used the word “proud” to describe the action his club had taken in response to claims of systemic racism in the club.
Any reasonably minded person would have seen this for what it actually was — pride that his club was taking action in response to the claims of racism.
But Eddie is just one example of claims of racism, particularly against Aboriginal people.
Who could forget the confected outrage against Australian legendary cartoonist, the great Bill Leak, when he dared draw a cartoon to reflect the news at the time, of child abuse and neglect in Aboriginal communities?
These are but two examples, and there will be more.
In the age of cancel culture and political correctness, it’s not so much racism against Aboriginal Australians that is rampant, but the claims of racism.
And far too often the claims are unfounded or require an Olympic gold medal level of mental gymnastics to see any racism.
However, once the claim is made, then it is taken as truth by the PC crowd, the offenderati (a term Bill coined), and the wokies.
Jobs are lost, careers are ruined, and perhaps even sadder, the Australian public’s goodwill for Aboriginal people is tested and strained.
Like most Australians, I oppose any racism against Aboriginal Australians, when it exists, but not just when it is claimed.
And if there are claims, then objective investigations are required to gather facts, preferably by people who have not built careers around seeing racism around every corner.
Claims must be supported by strong evidence. Consider the claim by federal opposition families and social services spokeswoman Linda Burney in response to McGuire’s resignation, namely there was systemic racism in almost every part of this country. Of course, she provided no evidence.
And if the claims are proven and it is demonstrated that real harm has happened, and not just “hurt feelings”, then a strong punishment should be given.
I am not in denial racism against Aboriginal Australians exists; it exists, but it is not systemic.
Just like a few shark attacks each year does not prove we have a shark epidemic on Australian beaches.
Further, I question the claim that racism ranks highly when considering all the problems facing Aboriginal people; more about this shortly.
I agree with the great American Thomas Sowell when he states “racism is alive, but it is on life support”.
If there is any doubt to this claim, consider how much attention Coon cheese has received in recent times (Mmm, am I allowed to say Coon cheese?).
Or consider that the left-leaning media are quick to report on the 432 Aboriginal deaths in custody since the royal commission into Aboriginal deaths in custody, but forget to mention the proportionately high number of non-Aboriginal deaths in custody given the relative numbers of Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people in custody.
Such selective amnesia may sell newspapers, but it impairs race relations in this country.
Presumably, combating racism against Aboriginal people is done because it is believed to be harmful to them.
However, is it racist to suggest Aboriginal people are far more likely to be hated, slandered, kicked, and hurt by other Aboriginal people than by non-Aboriginal people?
Doesn’t this show us where we should focus energy if we want to improve the safety of Aboriginal Australians?
Anyone who has even a passing interest in Aboriginal affairs knows of the high rate of violence within the Aboriginal population. So why are we not seeing these problems prioritised?
Like Elvis, I would like “a little less conversation, a little more action” please.
Actually, we have action, but it is focused on trivialities like Australia Day protests, an Indigenous voice, a treaty, and of course, gathering evidence to prove the already assumed systemic racism against Aboriginal people.
So, to ensure Aboriginal people live safe, healthy, and happy lives, or in other words, the sort of lives which most of us, including urban-based Aboriginal activists, take for granted, what needs to be done?
Again, anyone with a passing interest in Aboriginal affairs knows the answer. For those who don’t, here’s a quick summary:
FUNDING and resources should be focused where Aboriginal disadvantage is greatest, and this often means focusing on those Aboriginal people living in remote areas;
ENSURE adults have access to real jobs and children are in good schools; and
DO away with rhetoric and ideology that promotes separatism, and instead recognise that the commonalities between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people far outweigh any differences.
Until the obsession with racism is ended, none of this is likely to happen and too many Aboriginal people will unnecessarily suffer.
Let’s follow Linda Burney’s advice when discussing racism — that we make sure we are educated in the concept of truth telling."
As for nuff nuffs, i think its a good word to describe those that continually resort to childish name calling .
“As we all know, on Tuesday Eddie McGuire resigned from the top job at Collingwood Football Club amid claims of racism. And what was his crime?
Any reasonably minded person would have seen this for what it actually was — pride that his club was taking action in response to the claims of racism.”
No. That what’s known as the last straw. Focusing purely on the end of Eddie’s tenure completely misses the mark.
“Sure Eddie is inflicted with foot in mouth disease and he has to go but I don’t think he is alone”
To refer to Eddie’s remarks over the past couple of decades as “foot in mouth disease” minimizes the serious nature of the issue IMO. Ofcourse the issue is broader than Eddie/CFC but the recent highlighting of it is another positive step forward I believe.
Rabbit, Eddie should have been sanctioned by the AFL board over his remarks on Adam Goodes all those years ago, he should have left then. My point was really he’s not alone. Coach? On field leaders? At Collingwood and other clubs never saw or heard anything?? Really hard to believe that.
Info nuff nuff, interested to see how representative your star witness is, I’ll get back to after I finish my workout.
That vid of Nathan Buckley is gross on a few levels, but how's the body language and the the throat clearing when asked about the chimp nickname? Allan Pease would have a field day.
ID is the word "Bule" inherently racist? , I always feel offended when referred to as one. Not that a white middle age man is allowed to be offended these days.
I don't think white middle-aged men ARE allowed to be offended actually. Kinda at odds with them telling everyone else to harden up all the time. haha.
What Collingwood needs is not reports or safe spaces or a new President although all will be helpful, what Collingwood need to do is employ some kind of voodoo witch doctor to perform some sort of sacrificial ritual to lift the curse placed on that club that sees them time and again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on the games biggest stage.
What Australia needs.
info, I see your star witness has much to say, good on him, I can see why a Murdoch paper would be falling over itself to publish him, even works for the catholic uni.
Indo , the report said systemic racism at Collingwood and Eddie oversaw systemic racism at Collingwood.....the CEO is responsible ...so he stood down!
Eddie Is/was the President, the CEO is still there.
Responding to the old AFL Record appearing online, and being circulated among McGuire supporters, Lumumba said he never denied “going along” with the nickname of chimp.
“A 2007 player profile that was published by CFC & the AFL has my nickname listed as ‘chimp’. Ever since I went public in 2017 with my experience, I’ve been consistent in saying that I initially went along with the nickname & a lot of other racist behaviour in order to fit in,” he said.
“The document is proof that the nickname did indeed exist and was widely known in the club. Some people are trying to use it as a means to discredit me, without realising that it‘s damning evidence that works against CFC and the AFL.
“The #DoBetter report states that “structural racism occurs not through individual action but through policy, institutional culture, representations in media, laws, conversational norms and normalised behaviours.
“Player records were printed by the tens of thousands and distributed at games. How many people in leadership approved of this?
“While the nickname ‘chimp’ was overtly racist, sadly it was far from the worst thing that happened. Some things that were said and done resulted in verbal and physical altercations. When I began to formally address the club’s racism, I was punished by the club’s leadership.”
Lumumba also hit out at AFL boss Gillon McLachlan and former league chief Andrew Demetriou for supporting McGuire.
“It is no surprise that McGuire’s friends – current and former AFL CEOs Gillon McLachlan and Andrew Demetriou, have jumped to Eddie’s defence. Admitting his incompetence means admitting their own,” he said.
"ID is the word "Bule" inherently racist? , I always feel offended when referred to as one. Not that a white middle age man is allowed to be offended these days."
Good question, had this discussion with people before including Indonesians, my understanding is historically it's not and its rarely used as a racial slur more just a description of any white person.
My own view though, if it's used in a negative context or even if you don't like being called it, then it can have racist/racial overtones.
Ive definitely had times where i felt it has been used very negatively towards me and i didn't like it or the whole vibe of how it was being used, but then many other times especially with young kids i know there is no negativity behind its use, and i use it myself to describe others when talking to Indonesians.
It's similar to Harry O brief being called Chimp, it seems pretty clear that at one time he was quite happy with the nick name even referring to it as his nickname in an AFL interview and according to indigenous teammate Simon buckley he (Harry) was the one who called himself Chimp.
But then it seems at some point to him it became racist, you could expect when he transformed to Héritier Lumumba where it was very clear he not only had a change of name but also a change in character.
The way i see it, if he dug the nick name as Harry and wasn't offended by it especially if it was self named then it's pretty rich to call it racism at that stage.
But latter if he said to his team mates, look i know it never use to bother me and i even use to identify Chimp as my nickname, but now i really dont like it, I've had a change of heart, please dont call me that anymore.
Then yeah if people continued to use it then to me its racism.
So IMHO its all about delivery and how it's received.
I know you didn't suggest he was, but id just like to note that although Anthony dillion works at a Catholic Uni, he is not catholic or religious. (he has made this clear in interviews)
Another fun fact, his father was the first indigenous police man in Australia.
Info, more a reference to the political conservatism of his employer. Let’s see, if Anthony was openly gay or publicly spoke in support of such taboo issues for religious institutions do you reckon he would work there .... or get published in Uncle Rup’s rag? No siree, Anthony just pulling the conservative line
"Anthony just pulling the conservative line"
Yes how dare he not fit in with your racial stereo type of how an indigenous person must think.
Must just have conservative views for the job hey?....
Or here's a more logical alternative view to consider, maybe not all indigenous people think and feel the same way?.....kind of like us white people.
You sound like Biden "You aint black if you vote for Trump"
IMHO your view and Bidens is straight up racism.
Look here is a reality check, most of the world hold conservative views and most of the world are not white.
Really don't know how the Murdoch megaphone empire works, Info?
Want a paying gig - directly employed or not - and/or a 'profile' and/or a self-aggrandising opportunity (grifting optional), well, you know what you gotta do!
Speaking of the grift component, here's one of your faves, Info.
I know how you like getting (You)Tubed*
"Avi Yemini's mining fresh new depths of shameless grift with his fellow con artists at Rebel News. Pity they can't be bothered hiding it!"
*going left excepted
@ID well explained, so are they ok with us calling them "Balo's" &/or "Indo's"?, we cant call Pakistani's "Paki's" anymore. I think Poms or Pommys still ok.
Is there racism in Australia? Am i woke to believe there is?
Not gonna single out names here, but to the doubters above....Do you know any aboriginal Australians. How many? Have you talked to them and discussed their lives and challenges, or are you just reporting what you hear on the news. What you read online?
Racism in Australia. How ingrained in our psyche is it? Here's a good example for ya.
I did a couple of years of house sitting while i travelled around the coasts of oz a few years back. Surfing, studying, house sitting, odd jobs here and there.. Was a good gig for a bit! So this house sitting. You have to make up a profile of yourself, kinda like a dating website. But for house sitters/hosts. etc. You know, a picture of you, and a description of yourself. My picture had me holding a little baby chicken, surf cap on, looking friendly, white. Trying to impress other white people with big shiny flash houses. Mostly older generation.
Can you see where i'm going with this?
There's no aboriginal Australians on this website. You just don't see them. Can you guess why? Can you imagine a young indigenous fella, travelling oz by himself, living in his car, and has a picture of himself smiling, wearing a baseball cap. Who's going to get the job in this country? Honestly. Is there racism in this country? It's there on many levels, you just have to get away from the keyboard and news to see it and hear about it.
BTW. Some of the hosts i would meet and stay with the night before they would leave. The way these crew talked about Indigenous Australians....mate!! These are supposedly respectable older people that are well known throughout the community in some of the country towns around oz. Racism is alive and well in this country. You just don't hear about it if you're not around it. There are literally white towns and black towns right next door to each other relatively speaking out West, and the two don't mix. Like Africa yeah?
South African apartheid was abhorrent because it was enforced racial separation of people by government decree. Nothing like that in Australia.
Unless you count blackfella country where everyone else needs a permit to enter and is almost always happily enforced by residents.
If you are referring to the tendency of differing cultures to congregate together I think you’ll find that’s voluntary and is not in itself evidence of the existence of racism .
In short - No. Nothing like Africa.
Might not be racism Blowin but i see separation and division. What is the end result of that. Maybe not Africa because the population sizes are entirely different, However when you go to a town like Cobar in Western NSW and then drive up the road to the next town of Wilcannia, you'll notice the obvious differences. What i'm trying to highlight is that racism begins from these kinds of circumstances that are prevalent around our country. Or racism is the end result of this more so. Cheers for your feedback. Good to take on some of your points.
Blowie, so confident, yet so ignorant.
Haven't heard of this*?
*I sincerely hope so. Otherwise...?
Not my racial stereotype captain cockwomble the question to be asked is how representative are his views of those held by the aboriginal community? Now I just have this strange idea that the fact he's getting print time in an Uncle Rup rag his views aren't commonly held in the broader aboriginal community or even among his father's mob up around Brisbane.
Now working for the catholic church is an odd beast as two of my family members know. Their employment contracts specifically state if you are gay or single person living as a couple with a heterosexual or homosexual partner or if you openly express views contrary to the church's teachings your employment can be immediately terminated. Conservative circles within circles info-warrior.
And for those that think this is all in some long distant past, I had the opportunity, pre-Covid, to listen to and chat with one of Carlton's greatest ever players about these very passes and restrictions, and their impacts on his life and early football career.
Syd Jackson. Look him up.
Ha ha facto
Tom Tanuki are you're serious?
That guy is the biggest tosser ever...its embarrassing that you even shared his video.
The guy talks complete trash and just tries to gain exposure by hating on conservatives with a profile, he is that kid that got bullied at school and now is somehow trying to get payback.
According to you, Info.
SAYS IT ALL.