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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 4:17pm

A wrap up of other things happening in world:

new official records in China

stuff is randomly blowing up in Russia

there's been weeks of protest in Iran

https://twitter.com/hashtag/iranprotests

and we are seeing protests in Shanghai,

Edit: adds Apple factory protests:

Can't but help have the feeling that it's only a maybe that this is all organic. What are the chances the visuals are deceptive? Hmmmm

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Jelly Flater Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 4:36pm

The china stuff is a central part of the plandemic ;)

When the west proudly exclaimed that ‘we need to learn to live with covid’, the government endorsement was not just about lessening hysteria and returning to normal, it was done with full knowledge of ccp doctrine and ongoing mandates and lockdowns that remained in china.

The containment measures drive populations crazy. It is inevitable and proven. In china, as long as the covid hysteria ensues, a level of discontent and growing anti authoritarian sentiment will prevail - and the beast that is china today can only be conquered from within. The US procured and delivered the virus to china.

It has been a master stroke of bio warfare, and may be an absolute success - that is, as long as the chinese government holds its inbred zero policy course …

The west doesn’t want conflict with china, and if the conflict can remain internal and keep being fuelled internally - then maybe the greatest gift of all we have given to the world is the democratic dance of civil disobedience ;)

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Jelly Flater Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 4:40pm

https://m.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 6:05pm

That's an interesting take on it Mr Flater, wouldn't put it past them; we're at the stage of 'who knows?' now as it's a political information war on the topic. If it were one or the other, no difference as in both cases it's their own citizens who suffer. No side are cute fluffy teddy bears. There is a history of China falling back in itself/turmoil from within and the Party would also know this very well, and be determined that it doesn't happen again.

I guess my point is that we are in historic times right now, so much happening so fast, pieces in play.

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etarip Monday, 28 Nov 2022 at 7:26am

Haha, you’ve never worked in government have you JF?

Your faith in the ability for them to pull off complex conspiracy and deception is at odds with reality. Especially at a global scale.

I’d say that they’re better at creating the narrative around what is happening more than actually creating the scenarios. Not that they don’t try. All of them.

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frog Monday, 28 Nov 2022 at 11:36am

Lockdown in Hong Kong was very excellent strategy for Xi to keep people in line.

Good also with the painful real estate crash happening to calm the people losing 30% + of their wealth

Quarantine is also excellent for removing trouble makers.

So all good for Xi.

Just not so good if locked apartment buildings catch fire.

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Jelly Flater Monday, 28 Nov 2022 at 2:37pm

Glad u got a chuckle etarip ;)

I agree with the narrative creation, that’s probly a certainty. Narration control, accuracy or success is another thing altogether…

There is no faith here in the ability of government to pull off ‘complex’ conspiracy and deception - the fact that it may be something they have done or will try to do is a definite consideration.
And if the proposed narrative IS the deception itself…. then the possibilities are boundless ;)

Government departments at all levels lack cohesion, transparency and accountability. We could say that in itself is a conspiracy ;) We could also propose that this environment is conducive to effectively facilitating and promoting not only the enactment of things such as emergency lockdown measures but also the prolonging of the enforcement of such measures.

Performance is sometimes measured by not how well you actually do something but by how well you did a task according to fulfilling the orders given ;)

Believe what you are told…
The idea is not complex. The propaganda machine is not complex.
- the reality is.

The complexity exists in the application and management through emergency mandates and fluidity of newly invented laws. There is no ability on the government’s behalf - no skill - just the assurance of enhanced bureaucracy, red tape and, as a result, legal coercion. That works in their favour.

The complexity also lies solely not within the government’s ‘design’, but in the players… the manipulators…
Think media, think medicine, think lawmakers and law enforcement and security ;) Yet is this by design ? Are these all tied to government ? Are they representative of government ? Are they all somehow dependent on government ?

The genius of it all might just be in the ‘players’ who unwittingly fuelled and fanned the flames of the pandemic through simple participation.

- Civil obedience ;)

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frog Tuesday, 29 Nov 2022 at 8:26am

Narratives are amazingly easily spread if you get a simple message right and then have it repeated in a thousand newspapers or news broadcasts.

A top-down spread of carefully written press release from Reuters, for example, to the thousands of outlets world-wide for them to publish as is, or rehash, is all it takes. The same ten second grab of the approved leader commenting on the hot geopolitical topic of the day "magically" appears on every channel's news - jump between channels and even countries news segments and there it is!

I was at the pub the other day and a particular hot topic came up and an intelligent friend repeated to me the same simplistic (and deflecting from the nuances of the events) one liner that was doing the media rounds in preceding days - exact same words and phrasing. It was an effective conversation road block and signal to me on where any discussion would end up - so back to the safe space of surf talk we went. The narrative makers would have creamed their jeans in delight.

Another friend watches CNN a LOT. His views on everything are totally moulded by their narratives on pretty much every topic. Unfortunately, listening the non stop barrage of intense panels of talking heads does little for his peace of mind.

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etarip Tuesday, 29 Nov 2022 at 4:59pm

I don’t disagree with you.

That narrative spread works both ways. You’re as much an example of that as your CNN watching mate. I don’t mean that as a personal insult, just an observation that many if the points you’ve raised in these forums are propagated widely too, often with the same absence of critical thought or basic investigation.

Just depends on your media outlet of choice really.

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frog Wednesday, 30 Nov 2022 at 9:30am

" I don't disagree" = you agree. I think that is twice now!

Most of my views on cause and effect are not particularly different from what one would expect based on what the US says openly about their geopolitical strategies and actions.

They say they want to achieve X and a series of events happen in that direction so they probably they did some of Y to make it happen. Often they straight out say they did Y in some forum but spin it as good or necessary or bury it in other news. Logical - not as absent of critical thought as you assume.

I browse far more widely than you think. We all have our own framework for making judgements. Mine are fairly flexible.

I read a lot of macro financial stuff (which often spills over into geopolitics) and events have taught me not to have too many fixed views on events, narratives or cause / effect. There is huge complexity, randomness, smoke and mirrors everywhere especially where big money and politics is involved. In investing, if you just read mainstream Bloomberg or the WSJ or stick to your set framework without also looking other viewpoints you will be blindsided time and again.

We probably agree on far more than you think.

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Supafreak Sunday, 4 Dec 2022 at 7:19am

Trump still whinging he was robbed. If he is the republicans pick for 2024 , is this his strategy for re-election ? If he doesn’t win , does he scream he was robbed again and civil war breaks out ? Going to be some angry nut cases getting around .

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Supafreak Tuesday, 6 Dec 2022 at 10:31am

I remember seeing Tulsi listed as a future young leader for the WEF and I was thinking WTF , I’m glad she’s cleared that up . https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1599873374938808323?s=46&t=F52yOD6_hgk9OyvpgxtnxA

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etarip Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 12:42am

Travelling in the US at the moment. Blown away by large billboards focused on countering anti-semitism off highways.

One I saw this morning in Florida:
“Can a billboard stop anti-semitism”
“No”
“But you can” - JewBelong

What has this place come to? Why does this message need to be reinforced?

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Supafreak Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 8:18am

Poor Donny has a bit on his plate besides the election being stolen from him . https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/12/06/trump-companies-...

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 8:27am

So he's back on twitter? lol

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andy-mac Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 8:52am

US forces give the nod......

From Guardian:

"More US forces to be present in Australia
The US secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, is up next.

Austin says there will be an increase rotational presence of US navy and army troops in Australia. It will see more US air, land and sea forces in Australia.

He says US and Australian “mateship” is important for global security.

Our mateship will stand as a bedrock of future peace and security."

Updated at 08.21 AEDT

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flollo Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 8:54am
etarip wrote:

Travelling in the US at the moment. Blown away by large billboards focused on countering anti-semitism off highways.

One I saw this morning in Florida:
“Can a billboard stop anti-semitism”
“No”
“But you can” - JewBelong

What has this place come to? Why does this message need to be reinforced?

That's interesting. I assume it's the free market kind of thing with billboard advertising so someone is financing it. I guess it's coming from various Jewish associations, it's a sad state of affairs if they have the need to do that.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 10:38am

update to Elon's purchase, it looks like he's going after spam accounts, and developing tools to show views, make it easier to go through threads, wants to improve signal to noise - and the politics includes polls he promised, and he's given air to Matt Taibbi's "Hunter Laptop" story. He's fired a Mr Baker from legal counsel too; it looks like the purchase is also a political/statement one.

Can't see Trump posting at present.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk

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soggydog Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 10:40am
flollo wrote:
etarip wrote:

Travelling in the US at the moment. Blown away by large billboards focused on countering anti-semitism off highways.

One I saw this morning in Florida:
“Can a billboard stop anti-semitism”
“No”
“But you can” - JewBelong

What has this place come to? Why does this message need to be reinforced?

That's interesting. I assume it's the free market kind of thing with billboard advertising so someone is financing it. I guess it's coming from various Jewish associations, it's a sad state of affairs if they have the need to do that.

Apartheid is a sad state of affairs. Just ask a Palestinian. Maybe that’s why they need a bit of positive propaganda.

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etarip Wednesday, 7 Dec 2022 at 10:58am

@flollo - yeah, it’s funded by some kind of social group / association - the sponsor was in small writing at the bottom of the billboard just couldn’t read it.

@soggy - I don’t see a link between US domestic anti-semitism and US views on expansionist Israeli (proto-Zionist) policies. It’s almost an awkward bedfellows situation between the far-right polity that supports Israel unquestioningly from a foreign policy perspective but targets Jews domestically.

Anyway, it was intended more as a direct observation from the US - and something I’ve never seen in almost 20 years of travel here. I’m not in Florida now, and I haven’t seen it anywhere else.

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Supafreak Thursday, 15 Dec 2022 at 3:00pm

Back when Donny recovered quickly from covid he wanted to wear a superman suit but his advisers talked him out of it . He seems to be be losing his grip on reality.

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Supafreak Thursday, 15 Dec 2022 at 3:59pm

Not sure if desantis is serious about going after the cdc fda & big pharma or just playing up to a certain audience. https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-seeks-grand-jury-investigation-175647636...

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 5:50am

Here’s the “ major announcement “ from Donny , he never fails to disappoint.

. The comments are hilarious.

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 7:13am

It gets better , what a fantastic biggly xmas gift .

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andy-mac Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 8:39am
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It gets better , what a fantastic biggly xmas gift . https://twitter.com/robertarnol/status/1603457686762586112?s=46&t=al03rJ...

Fark, there is a major glitch in the simulation!!! How could this guy become President? And more frightening, how can people still support him?
Strange days indeed ....

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:06am
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It gets better , what a fantastic biggly xmas gift . https://twitter.com/robertarnol/status/1603457686762586112?s=46&t=al03rJ...

Fark, there is a major glitch in the simulation!!! How could this guy become President? And more frightening, how can people still support him?
Strange days indeed ....

Yep , it’s amazing to think this con artist salesman was president .

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:07am

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surfiebum Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:10am
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It gets better , what a fantastic biggly xmas gift . https://twitter.com/robertarnol/status/1603457686762586112?s=46&t=al03rJ...

Fuck, that is insane and insanely hilarious.

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andy-mac Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:34am
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It gets better , what a fantastic biggly xmas gift . https://twitter.com/robertarnol/status/1603457686762586112?s=46&t=al03rJ...

Fark, there is a major glitch in the simulation!!! How could this guy become President? And more frightening, how can people still support him?
Strange days indeed ....

Yep , it’s amazing to think this con artist salesman was president .

And a possibility he may be again? I guess that is looking less likely these days but you never know. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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AndyM Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:47am

I think people underestimate his sly sense of humour :)

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I think people underestimate his sly sense of humour :)

Possibly. The alternative is he is totally cooked, and looking at other ways of turning a buck.

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I think people underestimate his sly sense of humour :)

Possibly. The alternative is he is totally cooked, and looking at other ways of turning a buck.

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:25am
blackers wrote:
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I think people underestimate his sly sense of humour :)

Possibly. The alternative is he is totally cooked, and looking at other ways of turning a buck.

If 1 million people buy this at $99 , that’s not a bad little earn , if 10 million buy it well he’s got a nice fund to support his campaign.

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blackers Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:40am

Or his legals.

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AndyM Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 11:46am
blackers wrote:
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I think people underestimate his sly sense of humour :)

Possibly. The alternative is he is totally cooked, and looking at other ways of turning a buck.

Haha, there’s a definite possibility of that!
I do get the feeling there’s a bit of self-deprecating irony there somewhere.
As well as bottomless ego and hubris

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GuySmiley Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 12:40pm

What a big beautiful swamp creature

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Distracted Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 4:36pm

So Elon is all for free speech on Twitter…. unless he is the subject of investigation/article?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-in...

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So Elon is all for free speech on Twitter…. unless he is the subject of investigation/article?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-in...

Savin the world from the msm, one ban at a time. But happily drops Q shit.
https://www.mediamatters.org/elon-musk/elon-anon-qanon-community-celebra...

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truebluebasher Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 6:52pm

Trump Trading Cards are fast losing value...
Thursday Opening Price = $99.00 lost 8% value in 24hrs...
Super Hero Range last chance power drive...was $120 by midday dropped to $71.89.
Reckon the crew might think that's a pretty good deal...Trump : "Winner...Fisty Pumps!"
Better be quick to bin them before ya go broke..."It's so Sad!"
https://www.collecttrumpcards.com/
https://www.fastcompany.com/90825656/trumps-nft-collection-losing-value-...

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 7:12pm

Never heard of this podcast before and media bias fact check gives it a low credibility rating with extreme right bias . What they claim in this 10 minute video is that trump is doing the trading card thing as a joke and has footage of trump giving what is supposed to be his “ actual real “ big announcement. Whatever he’s up to , the whole thing is just plain weird or is he another global mastermind like our own Scotty ?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 8:43pm
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So Elon is all for free speech on Twitter…. unless he is the subject of investigation/article?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-in...

Its been widely reported they have been sharing his real time location information that puts his and others safety at risk, quite a reasonable reason to ban, unlike say banning someone because they didn't use the correct pronoun.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 16 Dec 2022 at 9:04pm
blackers wrote:
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So Elon is all for free speech on Twitter…. unless he is the subject of investigation/article?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-in...

Savin the world from the msm, one ban at a time. But happily drops Q shit.
https://www.mediamatters.org/elon-musk/elon-anon-qanon-community-celebra...

Ha ha oh please if you believe this you are seriously gullible is just media click bait beat up demonisation of Musk cause he has gone from a leftie poster child to the lefts new villain.(for some strange reason)

Do a google search "follow the rabbit meaning" and it comes up with all kinds of explanations for the meaning but nothing about QAon on the 1st page(other than this trashy take), it's seems to be more a pop culture reference from the Matrix among other things.

This is like when some media gets a picture with someone doing some hand single and suddenly they are part of some white supremacy movement when there they probably don't even know there is alternative meaning for the hand signal as dont get involved in conspiracy type stuff, to me this type of thing is a form of nutty conspiracy theory type trash or just being misleading on purpose to demonise him either way its pure trash.

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indo-dreaming wrote:
Distracted wrote:

So Elon is all for free speech on Twitter…. unless he is the subject of investigation/article?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-in...

Its been widely reported they have been sharing his real time location information that puts his and others safety at risk, quite a reasonable reason to ban, unlike say banning someone because they didn't use the correct pronoun.

Looks like Elon snapped after a car with his 2yr old in was harassed by some nutter. Apparently, he blocked the car and climbed on the bonnet at some stage.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 17 Dec 2022 at 2:34am

Supafreak's Xmas range : { Minister for Everything Cluedo }

NSW Pentecostal Police Chief :
"Our Pastor Scomo killed off Democracy atop Victory Life Prayer Tower with his 50 minute sermon."

Pastor Scomo :
"Wrong! It wasn't my boring sermon it was the Life Centre's $500,000 Job Seeker Payment rort!"
"Suck Shit Australia...I win Again!"

Wow! This is so Aussie...supafreak is floggin' off his Gold Standard Xmas Merch!

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So Elon is all for free speech....

Ha ha oh please if you believe this you are seriously gullible is just media click bait beat up ....

Don't lose your shirt fanboy. Do I believe Musk is a Q believer? No. Do I believe he is a provocateur? Yes. He plays to the crowd and then some dipshit takes it seriously, and then takes a hammer to an octogenarian. But keep up your lickspittle fawning of Musk, all good.
BTW, I dont need to ggogle it, White rabbit make a nice dark ale and a rip snorter chocolate stout. It is also a reference from Lewis Carol's Alice in Wonderland, you know a book. Then again maybe you don't.

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andy-mac Saturday, 17 Dec 2022 at 4:10pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/17/donald-trumps-digital-tr...

Trump laughing all the way to the bank. Go figure ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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AndyM Saturday, 17 Dec 2022 at 4:28pm

Holy shit that’s hilarious!

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Roadkill Tuesday, 20 Dec 2022 at 7:49am

Someone should make some NFTs of Trump getting a golden shower.