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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Tuesday, 1 Nov 2022 at 7:10am

I remember a few years back hearing some stuff about pizzagate and paedophiles in government or something and not paying any attention as it all sounded like utter tripe.

Then you see Epstein’s ( convicted paedo) island and it’s known clients, the fact of his “suicide”, the way that his partner ( Geisel maxwell) was gaoled for sex trafficking and no one on her client list was ever pursued or prosecuted and then Biden’s paedo behaviour .

The whole thing reeks.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 2 Nov 2022 at 3:21pm

Demise of Evil Empire's rag tag call up (vs) Rise of Free-world Unisex Conscription.
Quite unnerving that MSM promote battlefields as a base level Gender Neutral hang for guys'n'dolls!
tbb will present that upended doc soon enough...a real big eye opener!
This is just a lame example of wotz flying under the radar...give the crew a taste of their bleak future.

Many rightly rate US conscription as merely entry level research...but it can still ignite the tinderbox.
Little known fact that US has conscription by Default since 1986...(Meaning!)
Within 30 days of turning age 18 (Only) US Males must register with (Selective Service System).
https://www.sss.gov/
Basically a lotto draw for a ready default Troop Quota...should US go to war.
Kinda like knowing which of yer draft dodgers will most likely flee to Oz point breaks.
Also a top up on current Troop numbers if required >
Year of birth 21 > 22> 23 > 24 > 25 > 19 >18 then Day of year drawn from public lotto barrel.
(Enlisted / Exemption in 10 days) > Training : 193 days > Front Line! Kaboom..get yer head blown off!
Takes into account Aliens / Dual Citizens / Treaties.

Punishment for (Male) Draft Absconders...
5 years Jail
Fines $250,000
No Student Loans
No Fed Job Training / Employment
Not entitled to a fair day's Pay (Can be paid below minimum wage)
No Drivers License

(US Conscription Timeline)
2013 Women serve in US Army (But remain absent from Conscription?)
2014 Transgender Women (Must enlist but may register for Exemption)
2014 Transgender Men (Not required to enlist but must surrender any / all benefits)

Selective Service System (Challenges on the grounds of Due Process & Gender Equality)
1916 Involuntary Servitude ( 1981 / 2012 / 2019 )
This last one in Texas (That was Trump Era!)
2019 : "Deprives Women the Hallmark of Citizenship, until such a time, they shall not be equal!"
Judge Declared : "The current male only SSR requirement is unconstitutional!"

Wow! So the Law changed...not so fast!

(Biden Era!)
June 2021 Fifth Circuit : Reversed Ruling > Supreme Court declined to review Court of Appeals.

[Factcheck] Annual Budget = $23m + Women (Extra $9m) = $32m /1st year (Basic Data retention.

13 EU Nations are locking in "responsibly progressive" (Nato's cuddly soft Gender Neutral Conscription)

US looked set to join these "Progressives"...( Note SSR reports direct to President Biden )
Did The Prez just pull the pin on "Responsibly Progressive Citizenship!"
Does The Prez perpetuate the Stereotype of Weak Helpless women!

[Factcheck]
2022 NDAA House Bill introduced Women's Draft for 2023 Vote.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7900/actions
2023 NDAA Senate Bill is expected to include Women's Draft Bill for Vote!

tbb is saying that most of Europe (13 nations) & soon US require equal / gender neutral conscription.
During ALBO's term...it's likely that Oz Chix will obtain equal rights to be called up.
This will likely be offset with Emergency services as an official rolled up militarized opt out!

tbb will relay more as research permits...swear no one else is motoring down this Ghost Highway.
Can share no one is saying a word about the "Universal" rise of Mum's Free World Army.
Tip : (Last decade) Evil Empire War Chix drop from 30% > 3% (vs) Nato War Chix ramping 3% > 30%
Now that is news...but all say nothing...just as this US Women's Equal Conscription bill slides thru!
Facts show Leaders have direct duty with conscription...so expect little debate for yer Nato childcare rebate!

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Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Nov 2022 at 3:57pm

Shared this on another thread but think it was quickly lost in different topic , the link is 4 corners on Monday night just gone , anyone catch it ? @etarip , I would be interested to read your take on this . https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners/series/2022/video/NC2203H037S00

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 2 Nov 2022 at 4:22pm

Yes I caught that Supa. There was a bit in the wargaming that seemed familiar to 'Air Sea Battle' which was a formulation of what a conflict would look like, done by the US back in the 2000s.

This fellow is excellent (and surfs! Good work mate!), if you have the time:

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Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Nov 2022 at 4:53pm
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Yes I caught that Supa. There was a bit in the wargaming that seemed familiar to 'Air Sea Battle' which was a formulation of what a conflict would look like, done by the US back in the 2000s.

This fellow is excellent (and surfs! Good work mate!), if you have the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEJrxKh0k0

Thanks for that link VJ , will watch tomorrow as the surf is flat .

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sypkan Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 1:34pm

inflation...

not a normal word

not part of normal people's lexicon

republicans have taught normal people this word...

errrrrrr.... ok...

https://mobile.twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1588586215565328385

these people are just weird

they couldn't possibly show their contempt any more for the normal populace, along with their own hubris, and lack of concern for real people's lives and concerns

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 2:37pm

Maybe Elon's purging twitter of leftiness to clear the way for a 2024 Trump presidential run... Pieces falling together like some form of 3D chess
He who controls the counting machines, wins

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flollo Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 2:50pm

Or maybe he is just trying to turn this into a profitable business? What an outrageous idea…

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Jelly Flater Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 3:31pm

Maybe if Elon buys swellnet he’ll let the censored back on so anyone who dares comment can get called ‘bloke’ again ;);)

…. And
….getting back to the mighty United States(!) of A

- I wonder how the continued crusade of actively meddling in the internal affairs of other sovereign countries is going ?

I mean… it’s ok if it’s called an ‘intervention’… ;);)

Has the US has ever considered the actual welfare and wishes of the populations of the countries they invade and occupy ? Is it possible to wonder that the aim may not actually be about freedom or liberty but, more so, about power and control ? Not so sure whether standards of living for the general populations of countries in which the US has ‘intervened’ have actually improved ;)

Can you ‘create’ democracy through force ? Will it help unify and benefit humanity or further inflame relations and fuel resentment and hatred towards the west ?

Has it ever been any other way ;)

The four minute mark provides some proper sobering views from the people of Haiti :

https://m.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 5:27pm

Hey JF, we're at the stage where if one great power chooses not to meddle, the resulting vacuum will be filled by another great power. Sucks, but that's what it is.

Back to Trump and a prospective 2nd term, these two lengthy articles were pretty good, schedule F would be like what Elon is doing:

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/23/donald-trump-news-schedule-f-executive-...

Feels like a Rubicon has already been crossed there, but this would be crossing a Rubicon again.

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tubeshooter Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 5:34pm

No wonder Twitter employees are spewing, sounds like a pretty good gig if you can get it.
At least being able to work those fancy coffee machines should lead to future employment.
There seems to be plenty of fat to trim in that business.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 5:39pm

Looks like a holiday in a building.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 6:25pm
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https://www.axios.com/2022/11/04/trump-presidential-run-2024-announcement

Im surprised he is even considering running again, i dont think he has a chance now it seemed more like a once off shake up, you wouldn't think he would risk losing again his ego will be shattered.

Personally id much rather Ron DeSantis, younger 44 and he seems to have some, positive aspects of Trump (anti woke), but much smarter and not a loose cannon.

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waveman Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 7:46pm

Kayleigh McEnany would make a good republican president if she ever nominated.

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flollo Saturday, 5 Nov 2022 at 9:17pm

I don’t know about Kayleigh’s capacity to be the president but she is definitely a top performer. Always ultra prepared, amazing in handling the pressure and so good in bullshitting when needed. All politics aside, I watched her press conferences and I was always impressed with her PR skills. She can get a good job anywhere she wants.

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etarip Sunday, 6 Nov 2022 at 10:55am
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Shared this on another thread but think it was quickly lost in different topic , the link is 4 corners on Monday night just gone , anyone catch it ? @etarip , I would be interested to read your take on this . https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners/series/2022/video/NC2203H037S00

Hey Supa, I’ll have a look at it when I get some clear air. A few mates were chatting about it last week.

There’s a Strategic Review into Defence posture at the moment. Some really complex and far-reaching decisions need to be made about what Australia needs to prioritise, what it needs to discard. Potentially some big shifts, with Army likely to be the big ‘loser’ compared to RAAF and RAN. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is part of the government’s information campaign if they already have a sense of what’s in that review.

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frog Monday, 7 Nov 2022 at 1:42pm

Odds of China making a move on Taiwan in next 12 months would seem pretty high. If not now, when would be better timing for them?

A blockade maybe as Plan A to place the onus on the US to respond. But even that has many consequences worldwide and so much potential for escalation (Pine Gap would be in the crosshairs early on even in a more conventional war scenario).

Perhaps the Four Corners story of how ready and tough the US is will scare them off... or the new Submarines in 2040.

Overall though Taiwan is just part of the geopolitical tussle going on for long term dominance and / or of players pursuing various versions of new world orders. But plenty of determination on both sides to make some big moves means trouble ahead.

US is not the only Western player either - the UK / old European power elite have their own plans as well for the Asian continent that mostly align with the US but not always (especially not in the financial power wrestle).

Unintended consequences abound.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 6:41pm

US Election: the voting machines are playing up again:

Paper and pen ftw, and for transparency and integrity, as well.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 7:02pm

Some classic feedback on this post , truth social must be a blast .

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 7:39pm

Good to see Ron DeSantis re elected with a strong win, should help his chances of running for president in 2024, only issue is Trump.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 8:50pm
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Good to see Ron DeSantis re elected with a strong win, should help his chances of running for president in 2024, only issue is Trump.

He could actually get the nod over Trump

. I see some of the Dems are saying they need to get behind Harris. She is so hopeless it would hand the win to the Republicans.

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etarip Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 9:07pm

Results are definitely within margins of the major pollsters - not a major upset one way or another, but Dems doing better than they hoped.
Lots of results will go to the wire. Certainly no red wave.

What is reassuring is that the vast majority of concessions have been gracious and have explicitly stated that the election was fair.

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sypkan Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 9:34pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Good to see Ron DeSantis re elected with a strong win, should help his chances of running for president in 2024, only issue is Trump.

don't reckon trump much of an issue, his time is up... plus, saw an author that wrote his biography, she was on the money saying his heart isn't in it like before - not that he expected to win it before - he was just a very purposeful disruptor...

he's served his role

desantis with a trump agenda... now there's a force to be reckoned with...

(many people (most even...) agree with trump agenda, they just cannot stand the man)

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sypkan Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 9:37pm

". I see some of the Dems are saying they need to get behind Harris. She is so hopeless it would hand the win to the Republicans."

how fucking absolutely hopeless is harris?

I thought she might be good before i actually saw her operate... she's a trainwreck... some diodes aren't connecting up top

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sypkan Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 9:49pm

biggest take away from election is neither party has the capacity (or the will) to appeal to the norms...

it's partisan nutterville all around

a landslide winning recipe is so patently obvious to normal people... yet neither party has shown any ability, or any willingness, to even remotely go there... for six years or more now!

its all just very strange

thank the gods australian politics toned it down the nuttyness... rather than doing the usual mirroring of the US lead...

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adam12 Wednesday, 9 Nov 2022 at 11:46pm

DeSantis winning is a plus for Dems. Sets up a damaging battle with Trump, Florida looking out of step with the rest of the country, not sure his popularity there will extend to other states, depends on how he performs as GOP front runner, as Trump looks finished after these mid terms. He will run because there is more $ to make, but Trump won't get the support like last time. My opinion is Biden comes out looking pretty good, best mid term result for a sitting President since ?, may still lose house and senate but nearly even when normally they lose plenty of seats. Not that he doesn't have shortcomings, Harris too, but the red wave never came, big turnout of younger voters went blue. American politics is like watching a car crash these days, you know it's bad but can't stop watching. As for Sypkan's "thank the gods australian politics toned it down the nuttyness..." , you ever watch Sky After Dark or read the Murdoch papers?

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etarip Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 6:31am

Russians withdrawing from the right (North / West) bank of the Dniepr, including from Kherson city itself, according to Russian MoD. This is a significant moment - but has been coming a while.

A Russian defensive line behind the Dniepr may be more feasible and free up some of the 40K troops currently north of the river - if they can get them across the limited number of bridges, which are all under some type of fire from Ukrainian artillery or rocket fire. Ugly. Russia aiming to establish a viable defence ahead of winter and aim to reset and replenish their fatigued forces with a view to retaking the broader offensive in 2023.

Still on the offensive in the East, with expensive minuscule successes.

Hail Mary Russian hopes for a MAGA Republican dominated Congress have not been realised. US support to Ukraine likely to continue, and be bipartisan. Meanwhile, China has publicly rejected Putin’s nuclear posturing, undermining his credibility. I’d guess that Xi’s messages in private would have been more definitive.

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etarip Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 6:29am

adam12, yup. Final results pending. It looks like Biden’s going to end up with the best mid-terms. I think GOP candidates were just on the nose for a lot of voters and Trump endorsements were more a turnoff for many.

Again, a few close races that might see Trumpites scrape across the line (Boebert in CO and Walker in GA), but the red wave was hype. Spot on about voter demographics too.

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stunet Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 7:51am

No word on MSM getting the polling wrong?

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frog Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 8:22am

I suspect the middle ground in the USA don't like Biden / Harris or the state of the nation. Nor would they identify with the MAGA crowd or their candidates.

They were left with no broad appealing option to swing one way or the other or to protest vote. In the end, they probably voted at a local level based on the candidate avoiding the worst of the extremes on either side. This would produce a bunch of coin flips setting the trends rather than a clear national direction.
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flollo Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 8:31am

I thought pollsters had a good day. I don't watch the news so I don't know what was hyped but the analysis on 538 had it spot on for weeks. Republicans were favored to win the house while Democrats were favored to retain the senate (this slightly tilted to Republicans in the last week or so but in any case, the call was on a tight race).

It's good to see extremists being punished on all sides of the equation. That's what makes me happy, the fewer extremists the better.

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flollo Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 8:31am

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frog wrote:

I suspect the middle ground in the USA don't like Biden / Harris or the state of the nation. Nor would they identify with the MAGA crowd or their candidates.

They were left with no broad appealing option to swing one way or the other or to protest vote. In the end, they probably voted at a local level based on the candidate avoiding the worst of the extremes on either side. This would produce a bunch of coin flips setting the trends rather than a clear national direction.
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Fair assessment, the alternative outcome was these probably didn't even bother. I heard someone from POLITICO speaking about the numbers yesterday; 47% rusted on red and 47%blue, the 6% genuine swing voters determine the outcome.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 2:22pm

American political strategists asking themselves: "How can I appeal to swingers?"

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AndyM Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 2:52pm

Bigger fruit bowl for the couples to put their keys in VJ.

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flollo Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 2:58pm
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American political strategists asking themselves: "How can I appeal to swingers?"

Just talk to Trump, he's got the experience.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 4:37pm

Mid Term abortions (May or not include the Tabulator's Temper Tantrum)
2020 ( 68 Pre Ballot Day Legal Cases )
2022 ( 120 Pre Ballot Day Legal Cases ) Over half restrict access to the ballot + Absentees / Extensions

[fact checker] Fair Election is locked in @ 99.99% & rising fast...
"DELAY" (2022 Election Rort Theme)

2022 Polling Day ( Suspected Voter Fraud )
Seems easy enough to claim a concerted campaign delayed early votes to extend late votes.
Mostly as all issues could've of & should've been tested before the day...(Perhaps that's the problem!)
If crew believe that impacts on certain trades / office workers of political persuasion?

100% non biased tbb is merely acting as yer swellnet Mid Term [Factcheck] scrutineer.

Sure! Lets give the [fact checkers] more limelight to hog...coz it's important to fuel their ego!
Firstly! Factcheckers are Experts & they claim every suss incident is isolated with no intent
That's fine...but they never once explain why all officials keep hanging themselves with same rope!
Nor do they seem to care that all these events impact the very start of Polling Day to corrupt the result.

Racial Voter Intimidation / Violence
Texas : Decline Help / Wotz yer Name Boy...Speak Up! / Hover over Ballot
Wisconsin : Knife wielding political man demanded a halt to the vote ( Booth was out for an hour!)

Michigan : GOP K Karamo : "Fraud & crime as voters were falsely told they'd already voted absentee!"
1.7m of requested 2m absentee votes were submitted

Arizona : From the start 20% of Tabulation machines are rejecting Ballots > Officials : "Use the Box!"
New Jersey : Voting / Tabulating Machines > Not Working > Vote Manual > "Use the Box!"
*Inside word is the Ink was too feint for machines to register > Took all day to figure it out?
Wisconsin : Oops! Accidental bumping > unplugged the Tabulator. (Bummer!)

Time Delays > Extensions
Pennsylvania : Paper Ballot shortage > Required [P] Ballot Forms extending voting until 10pm
N Carolina : 3 precincts early Lock out > open late > Also uses [P] Ballots to Close 1 hour Later 8:30pm
Georgia : 2 precincts "Late Opening" > Judge : "Hours were extended."

(Georgia) Social Media Vid' on the day > ID's GOP Ma & Son boothers were at 6 Jan Rally! (Bye Bye!)

Computer Says [ Vote NO ] Possibly involves Tabulators as one system...(As above)
Detroit : e-polls down (re: Tabulator also!)
Michigan : e-polls down..."
Illinois : Cyber Attack on Voter Rego
Texas : 20% of Voter rego Machines were still offline > 2 hrs into the day.

Philadelphia : Voter ID knocks out 2/3 of electorate 120k (So far) / 350k (2020)
(Uni degree needed for Multi Level ID / Envelope criteria) 3,400 Mail in Ballots risk being Rejected
Plenty launch lawsuits against bullshit matching dated countersigned Stationary Sets...(Same as 2020)

As tbb shows > Concerted effort to knock out early keen Poll Day Voters to reward Lazy Voters.
Too much of a coincidence...(Either Party could suss this & enquire if 'Time delay' was intentional?)
Factcheckers are too stupid to trip over the obvious Sleepy Joe "DELAY" theme so can't rule it in or out.
Media claim that less will revolt in Mid Term non Leader changing poll.

Stats indicate it may once again be restricted to like minded machines linked to set opening hour timer.
Might pay to run a check over Contracts/IT/Brands with aligned malfunctions. (Should sort it real fast!)
Money for Jam > stalls opening hour early bird voters to reward late timer big city hours folk.

tbb puts it this way...
If yer typical biased [Factchecker] Rubber stamps this...then you'd wanna Factcheck yer Factchecker.
Any democracy accepting this piss poor dodgy statewide late opening to polling day is on the take!
No harm in asking the question as to widespread united perfectly timed polling day delays.
Quite obviously the Tabulators are up the shit, can only result in a more fair start to Election Day

8th Nov Trump : "Same thing is happening with Voter Fraud as happened in 2020 ???"

tbb credits CNN site for long list of Voter issues shown above.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/midterm-election-results-live...

Aussie News Vid is not half bad at covering the Fraud claims.

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frog Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 5:12pm
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" ...... Putin’s nuclear posturing, undermining his credibility. I’d guess that Xi’s messages in private would have been more definitive."

Putin's nuclear posturing? Putin and Russian leaders have said very little on this subject beyond periodically referring to long established and written Principles on Nuclear Deterrence that apply to past and current circumstances.

99% of the talk on nuclear has been US / Western media, politicians, the Ukraine, carefully selected current and retired US generals hyping up the fear and rhetoric for various purposes:
- to keep the funds and weapons rolling in, Congress acquiescent and even the left quiet and supportive of more endless war and military spending
- to, it often seems, mentally prepare the public for a western nuclear response to whatever they see as a suitable mysterious red line of their choosing- to normalise the concept to the Western public of what used to be talked of carefully and in measured terms before this year only as "the unthinkable" on both sides.
- maybe to discourage Russia from major conventional offensives by allowing US generals to talk a big nuclear response game out loud. It is hard for them to hide their excitement at the prospect sometimes - some would just love to let it all loose it seems. I don't get that sense of desire and excitement from Russia.

Grim faced, joyless, sober conventional war seems to be their chosen task. A sad situation, but maybe not as dangerous as having excited US politicians, generals and spooky MI6 007 style plotters in the thick of it.

If someone could count the times the word "nuclear" was used on western TV by leaders, "experts" and talking heads it would be thousands of times more than Putin has even said the word or hinted at such actions.

Who is really doing most of the nuclear posturing?

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 5:15pm
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Bigger fruit bowl for the couples to put their keys in VJ.

Was told it was the placing of a pineapple picture on the cabin door in a cruise ship, ah, secret codes

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 5:25pm
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indo-dreaming wrote:

Good to see Ron DeSantis re elected with a strong win, should help his chances of running for president in 2024, only issue is Trump.

don't reckon trump much of an issue, his time is up... plus, saw an author that wrote his biography, she was on the money saying his heart isn't in it like before - not that he expected to win it before - he was just a very purposeful disruptor...

he's served his role

desantis with a trump agenda... now there's a force to be reckoned with...

(many people (most even...) agree with trump agenda, they just cannot stand the man)

While i agree with most of this and Trump's time should be up and it would be terrible if he ran again for Republicans as will never win again, he has also kinda threatened Ron DeSantis.

"Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63563862

After these mid terms any normal person would now get the message his time is up and also see Ron DeSantis is the Republicans best chance and just support him, but Trump aint a normal person, so it would be terrible if he made it between him and Ron DeSantis which would turn many Trump voters against Ron DeSantis.

The only hope is Trump knows he will lose and then doesn't run to save face, but he just isn't good with dealing with reality in his head he probably still thinks he is a shoe in, so i guess we just wait and see.

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etarip Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 6:05pm

Frog, have you personally read much / any Soviet and Russian nuclear deterrence doctrine?

Have you personally watched or read speeches from RT or Russian diplomats? Or Putin’s speeches?

I’ve posted a couple of links to articles / papers on the first (including one specifically on the evolution of Russian nuclear deterrence, quoting published russian doctrine) and I’ve posted links to multiple RT programs that speak directly to nuclear threats.

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etarip Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 9:24pm

Either way, I think you’ve missed my point. I don’t think Russia intended to use nuclear weapons. There’s very little militarily that could be gained by doing so. And it would have been a point of no-return moment diplomatically.

But they certainly wanted Ukraine and the west to think that they were prepared to. There’s been multiple occasions where this threat has been explicitly stated or implied.

Which are then walked back, or ‘clarified’.

Which is central to ‘coercion’ of Ukraine and ‘deterrence’ of western actions in support of Ukraine. The significance of Xi’s statement is that it undermined this bluff, this ploy, this ambiguity.

No one wants nuclear war.

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GuySmiley Thursday, 10 Nov 2022 at 9:34pm

Ron DeSantis' victory in Florida

I remember seeing a program on Florida's unique age/cultural/economic/political blah blah demographics leading up to Trump's election. In short, older/white/wealthier/more conservative on average than most of the US and highest number of citizens willingly locking themselves up in gated communities. The closest to Florida we would have here in AU perhaps would be select parts of FNQ. Now if this program I saw presented an accurate picture of the fine citizens of Florida and how out of whack they are to the rest of the US how electable is their man when it comes to presidential nomination for the Good Ole Boys Reactionary Party and ultimately the presidency?

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frog Friday, 11 Nov 2022 at 12:05am

Etarip,

I have briefly read a bit here and there on what you mention. Enough to form some impressions but not enough to debate if I was so inclined.

I agree with you that " I don’t think Russia intended to use nuclear weapons. There’s very little militarily that could be gained by doing so." and suspect the rational strategists is the West would too.

Given that I am continually surprised by the endless stream of "Russia nuclear threat" "Putin nuclear" "will Putin use... " references in most mentions of the war flowing through all western media and from "experts"..

Grabbing eyeballs and clicks may be all it is.. But the level of nuclear, nuclear, nuclear, feels like fanning the flames, almost wishful 'bring it on" thinking on the part of some and agendas at work. It makes Putin sound measured and rational and the west sound not so.

At the very least it is just tiresome. Much more important analysis could be offered.

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Distracted Friday, 11 Nov 2022 at 6:30am

An interesting conundrum for Russian media

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indo-dreaming Friday, 11 Nov 2022 at 8:24am
GuySmiley wrote:

Ron DeSantis' victory in Florida

I remember seeing a program on Florida's unique age/cultural/economic/political blah blah demographics leading up to Trump's election. In short, older/white/wealthier/more conservative on average than most of the US and highest number of citizens willingly locking themselves up in gated communities. The closest to Florida we would have here in AU perhaps would be select parts of FNQ. Now if this program I saw presented an accurate picture of the fine citizens of Florida and how out of whack they are to the rest of the US how electable is their man when it comes to presidential nomination for the Good Ole Boys Reactionary Party and ultimately the presidency?

Nobody would ever think Trump and Biden would become presidents both old men in their 70s, Trump is a true narcissist and unpredictable Biden clearly has cognitive decline and not a stretch to suggest borderline senile, so anything is possible.

Florida in comparison to Australia would be more like the Sunshine coast to Hervey bay region a retiree coastal hotspot it's also traditionally been more of a Democrat state, places like Texas are more like far North QLD

Personally i think Ron DeSantis' could have a very broad appeal in many age groups as although he has proven popular in a state with an older demographic he is also only young currently only 44 so will be about 46 around the election.

I think being young helps him appeal to younger people too, but unlike many young people he is still a strong figure and a true leader, so not a young walk over or perceived as weak.

For example he has a Navy background and was a Lieutenant and then a legal advisor to Navy seals and even served in IRAQ

He is also very smart and well educated graduating from Hale and Harvard.

But he also takes an anti woke, familys value, blue collar worker type stance.

To me he takes the best aspects of Trump but without the over the top reckless unpredictable all about me aspect.

If Trump backed him he would be supported by pretty much all Republican voters and you could imagine would appeal to many swing voters young and old, and that's all you need.

The worry is Trump makes it about him V's Ron DeSantis which means Trump could turn his own fans against him, if this is the case it might be smarter for Ron to keep Trump happy and let him have one last shot(and lose) and then wait until 2028 where he will still only be about 50(only help him) but with more political experience under his belt.

BTW. I think this also helps to appeal to a broad demographic too, the whole family man, and not a bad looking guy with a good looking wife(former TV news host), all boxes ticked..

Even his surname and family background (Italian) doesn't hurt, not overly white so gives him a multicultural twist.

BTW. Just reading a bit more about him i think there is many other aspects the would appeal to most people for example.

"After active-duty service, Governor DeSantis served as a federal prosecutor where he targeted and convicted child predators."

"While serving in Congress, he refused his Congressional pension and health insurance plan because he is against special deals for politicians.

He also sponsored legislation to make it easier for the military to prosecute sexual assault and authored the bill to end the secret taxpayer-funded slush fund for members of Congress to make hush payoffs for sexual harassment."

https://www.floridagovernorsmansion.com/the_people_s_house/current_resid...

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GuySmiley Friday, 11 Nov 2022 at 9:45am

If DeSantis is that good a man/candidate why wouldn’t the Good Ole Boys Reactionary Party tell Trump to fuck off now assuming of course it has any true democratic/political values left after decades of far right accommodation/assault.