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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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thermalben Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:36pm

You're not doing yourself any favours, ID.

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Craig Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:40pm

WTF, there's a big and easy difference between opinion and fact.

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goofyfoot Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:43pm
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Info, I’ve read your last post three times and still can’t comprehend what you trying to say, are you really saying opinions can be facts? Surely not, not even you c/would think that! Tell me I’ve misunderstood you

An opinion is just a viewpoint so of course it can be true and factual an opinion can also be false too and can also be partly true and party false or might not even fall into any real truth either way and only just be a personal opinion.

For instance long ago there was spilt opinion on if the earth was round or flat.

Some had the opinion it was flat and some that it was round.

But then those that believed it was round brought evidence to prove it was round with maths and science and exploration the opinion of those who thought the earth was round then become fact while those who thought the earth was flat opinion was proven false.

However an opinion doesn't have to be correct or wrong, for instance i could say a movie or band is good or bad, I'm nether right or wrong, its just a personal opinion.

Or opinions can be correct even though they may differ slightly, for instance i might go to one doctor get his view on the best treatment and then decide i want a second opinion and go to another doctor, their treatments might vary slightly but still work and be true.

I might even go to a naturopath and get their opinion and the treatment might be very different but still work.

This gave me a headache hahaha

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:45pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

An opinion is just a viewpoint so of course it can be true and factual an opinion can also be false too and can also be partly true and party false or might not even fall into any real truth either way and only just be a personal opinion.

For instance long ago there was spilt opinion on if the earth was round or flat.

Some had the opinion it was flat and some that it was round.

But then those that believed it was round brought evidence to prove it was round with maths and science and exploration the opinion of those who thought the earth was round then become fact while those who thought the earth was flat opinion was proven false.

However an opinion doesn't have to be correct or wrong, for instance i could say a movie or band is good or bad, I'm nether right or wrong, its just a personal opinion.

Or opinions can be correct even though they may differ slightly, for instance i might go to one doctor get his view on the best treatment and then decide i want a second opinion and go to another doctor, their treatments might vary slightly but still work and be true.

I might even go to a naturopath and get their opinion and the treatment might be very different but still work.

@ Craig

Okay great if you think that then take the examples ive given and prove these examples are not correct.

Opinion can be fact, fiction or neither its just a view point.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:47pm
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Geez, seems like the United of United States part may become history... Cannot see how big blue states such as California would accept another Trump presidency. Reckon the cold civil war happening now could heat up there if Trump got in.
Strange days.

Trump or death

Some of the comments are pretty funny!!

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Craig Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:49pm

An opinion is just that..

Until proven to be true/factual/real, then it is called a fact (ie it ain't an opinion any more).

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Supafreak Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 3:58pm
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Wonder how the Murdoch media machine will react after Rupert reportedly telling Trump he would not support his run for the top job.
Clusterfuck! GOP could self ignite? Democrats easy win, or does Trump get in although losing vote count twice???
Whatever happens, not good for USA or civil society. Trump supporters next level nasty pieces of work....

Yep murdoch has clearly stated he will support desantis and if he is beaten by trump then he ( murdoch ) will support the democrats just to keep things “ stable “ in the US . Unbelievable that a major media outlet so openly admits they support one party or the other. I can see desantis just stepping back myself and wait until 2028 with better support from all republican voters. He surely can’t win without full republican voter support and the RWNJs will be dirty on him if he beats their Donny boy. Many republican voters can’t stand Donny either so it may well be a gifted election to the dems. I see Donny has already promised to reinstate military personnel that refused the vaccination with full back pay.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 4:01pm

Now my head is hurting!

I “think” you’re on the same page as me ie facts are facts / they can be proven to be so but you can have an opinion on them eg trump lost the election (fact) but he was robbed (opinion) … baseless by the way (my opinion)

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 4:08pm
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An opinion is just that..

Until proven to be true/factual/real, then it is called a fact (ie it ain't an opinion any more).

hmmm i think you have a point to a degree but not sure if it's that black and white i still stand by my previous post but it is now starting to do my head in.

Anyway most of the things we discuss here be it politics or social issues are opinion based from both sides and rarely have real conclusions or outcomes.

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garyg1412 Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 4:19pm
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Geez, seems like the United of United States part may become history... Cannot see how big blue states such as California would accept another Trump presidency. Reckon the cold civil war happening now could heat up there if Trump got in.
Strange days.

Trump or death

Some of the comments are pretty funny!!

"Stomping on DeSantis!!!" More like a soft shoe shuffle. The loonies are losing their Mojo.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 4:52pm

I think its almost worse case scenario now Trump wants to run, he has zero chance all he is going to do is divide Republicans.

It's going to be interesting to now see what DeSantis does, he is in a bit of a lose lose situation.

If he backs down and let's Trump have another shot and wait's until 2028, he looks weak and might not have the momentum in 2028 he does now.

While if he runs Trump will turn his hardcore supporters against him and will just divide the party and even if DeSantis gets the nod he will lose some support from hardcore Trump voters.

Trump is a dick it's always about him, if he really cared about his party, he would back DeSantis and know his time is over.

He also should be trying to save face, cause whatever happens he is going to look like a loser, either he will lose to Desantis or lose in the election and then have a tantrum like a little kid like he did post last election.

BTW. DeSantis reply about Trumps attacks on him as you can see was very classy, 100 miles away from what Trump would have said.

"DeSantis was asked by a reporter what he thinks about Trump’s “big announcement” tonight and his thoughts about Trump repeatedly attacking him.

“Well, you know, one of the things I’ve learned in this job is when you’re doing, when you’re leading, when you’re getting things done, you take incoming fire, that’s just the nature of it,” DeSantis said. “I roll out of bed in the morning, I’ve got corporate media outlets that have a spasm, just the fact that I’m getting up in the morning, and it’s constantly attacking, and this is just what’s happened.”

“I don’t think any governor got attacked more particularly by corporate media than me over my four-year term,” DeSantis continued. “And yet, I think what you learn is all that’s just noise. And really what matters is: Are you leading? Are you getting in front of issues? Are you delivering results for people? And are you standing up for folks? And if you do that, then none of that stuff matters. And that’s what we’ve done.”

“We focused on results and leadership. And, you know, at the end of the day, I would just tell people to go check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night,” DeSantis continued. “The fact of the matter is, it was the greatest Republican victory in the history of the state of Florida.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-desantis-responds-to-repeated-at...

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tubeshooter Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 5:05pm

I can't see DeSantis taking Trumps baits that much. He's nowhere near as thin skinned as the Don.
But whatever happens it will be entertaining, not so much if you're a U.S citizen though.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 16 Nov 2022 at 5:16pm
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Wonder how the Murdoch media machine will react after Rupert reportedly telling Trump he would not support his run for the top job.
Clusterfuck! GOP could self ignite? Democrats easy win, or does Trump get in although losing vote count twice???
Whatever happens, not good for USA or civil society. Trump supporters next level nasty pieces of work....

Yep murdoch has clearly stated he will support desantis and if he is beaten by trump then he ( murdoch ) will support the democrats just to keep things “ stable “ in the US . Unbelievable that a major media outlet so openly admits they support one party or the other. I can see desantis just stepping back myself and wait until 2028 with better support from all republican voters. He surely can’t win without full republican voter support and the RWNJs will be dirty on him if he beats their Donny boy. Many republican voters can’t stand Donny either so it may well be a gifted election to the dems. I see Donny has already promised to reinstate military personnel that refused the vaccination with full back pay.

LNP last election had full support of Murdoch and 9 Media and still got done. Maybe he is losing his influence, or was Morrison just too big a dick? BTW, Morrison being a dick is not an opinion, but a fact!! (⁠•⁠‿⁠•⁠)

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truebluebasher Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 1:59am

Make US Great Again & Again & Again & over'n'over'n'over & around we go again.
A 2nd term Trump / Joe would be oldest elected Prez in US history for 3rd continuous Presidential term

Now what was it that Trump said about Joe being too old...pretty sure he forgets!

Joe = 78 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2021 inauguration

Trump = 78 years / 7 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Joe = 83 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Just thought the crew should know ahead of the Yanks...Shh! Don't tell US / Biden or Trump!

Recap : Biden likewise recently confirmed he's running again!

How about we run an over the top Oz Style Trump Launch from everyone's fav Chick Magnate.
Take a 2nd look at this News Photo / Vid...check dead centre of Image.

Trump now models Gina's Sportsmanlike Cap {Oz Diamonds mine, is all mine, precious}
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/gina-rinehart-shows-up-at-don...

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andy-mac Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 7:50am
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Make US Great Again & Again & Again & over'n'over'n'over & around we go again.
A 2nd term Trump / Joe would be oldest elected Prez in US history for 3rd continuous Presidential term

Now what was it that Trump said about Joe being too old...pretty sure he forgets!

Joe = 78 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2021 inauguration

Trump = 78 years / 7 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Joe = 83 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Just thought the crew should know ahead of the Yanks...Shh! Don't tell US / Biden or Trump!

Recap : Biden likewise recently confirmed he's running again!

How about we run an over the top Oz Style Trump Launch from everyone's fav Chick Magnate.

Trump now models Gina's Sportsmanlike Cap {Oz Diamonds mine, is all mine, precious}
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/gina-rinehart-shows-up-at-don...

Well we know her true colours... Geez what a shit show American politics is. Biden v Trump really the best they can do???
Twidleedee versus even nastier Twidleedum....

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frog Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 8:25am

Wall Street Journal (Murdoch) headline:

Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser

Phew - the "L" word. That is a huge red line crossed.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 8:32am

To be fair to Trump as crazy as he is, for a 78 year old he is pretty quick witted he is more like a 58 to 68 year old in that regard while Biden's is the opposite he is more like a 98 year old.

There is a min age of 35 to run as president there should be a max age to run though 70 or 75 max sounds fair.

Both shouldn't be able to be president to old and both don't have the mental capacity, its crazy and scary to think they were the two choices last election especially from a population of over 330 million people.

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goofyfoot Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 9:36am

Is that opinion or fact?
:-0

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Supafreak Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 9:58am

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AndyM Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 10:25am
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Is that opinion or fact?
:-0

Whenever Indo starts with "to be fair", you know it's verifiable fact.

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Supafreak Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 10:50am
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Make US Great Again & Again & Again & over'n'over'n'over & around we go again.
A 2nd term Trump / Joe would be oldest elected Prez in US history for 3rd continuous Presidential term

Now what was it that Trump said about Joe being too old...pretty sure he forgets!

Joe = 78 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2021 inauguration

Trump = 78 years / 7 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Joe = 83 years / 2 months / 6 days @ 2025 inauguration

Just thought the crew should know ahead of the Yanks...Shh! Don't tell US / Biden or Trump!

Recap : Biden likewise recently confirmed he's running again!

How about we run an over the top Oz Style Trump Launch from everyone's fav Chick Magnate.
Take a 2nd look at this News Photo / Vid...check dead centre of Image.

Trump now models Gina's Sportsmanlike Cap {Oz Diamonds mine, is all mine, precious}
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/gina-rinehart-shows-up-at-don...

But Gina wouldn’t donate money to Donny because that would be illegal and she’s an Australian icon ………apparently

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Supafreak Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 7:54pm

I can just imagine the shit trump will sling at the other possible nominees pence & pompeo . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-17/trump-launches-his-third-presiden...

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 17 Nov 2022 at 9:00pm
goofyfoot wrote:

Is that opinion or fact?
:-0

Fact based opinion.

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blackers Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 10:23am
indo-dreaming wrote:
goofyfoot wrote:

Is that opinion or fact?
:-0

Fact based opinion.

"Both shouldn't be able to be president to old and both don't have the mental capacity, its crazy and scary to think they were the two choices last election especially from a population of over 330 million people."

Cant argue with that premise.

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truebluebasher Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 1:30pm

Hope Springs Eternal

US has a God Complex where everything that's broke will be healed by Miracles, God forbid!
We see Prisoners turning to God on their Death Bed to attain sainthood.
Poorest Mexican wins next weeks lottery to become world's richest then poorest man by week's end.
Recent Firsts > Black Prez > Woman Prez Candidate > Oldest Candidates > Black Woman Vice Prez.

Aug 2015 - Biden's Oldest ever One Term Pledge gimmick...fades from memory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/14/joe-biden-and-...
Dec 2019 Biden : "I hadn't planned on running again!" or " It doesn't mean I would run a 2nd term!"
No Pledge > (Many variations on a theme > Advisors often say he won't run a 2nd term!)


https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2019-12-11/joe-biden-sugg...

Former Oldest 'Prez Reagan' (69) served until almost 78 > (G. Bush served 64 to 68)
"I'm not gonna exploit for political purposes my opponents youth & inexperience!"

Before ya Vote for the newest batch of oldest ever Presidential Candidates (3 Rules)
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biden-bernie-sanders-age-geriatric...

* Each Presidential candidate must be older than yer Great Great Grandma.
* Youth must respect elders by voting for that Like super cool really old guy...Yeah that looks like Him!
* Boomers keep forgetting to vote for the exact same like minded dithering old fools. (Who's that then?)

Yes all of these Elections pride never ending Oldest Ever Candidates
2016 Hilary (69) vs Trump (70) vs Bernie (74)
2020 Trump (74) vs Biden (78) vs Bernie (78)
2024 Trump Resurrection (78) vs Bored to Death Biden (82) vs Weekend at Bernie's (82)

For thine is the Kingdom, the power and the glory, forever & ever. Amen!

[Disclaimer] tbb actually envies how these Jet setting seniors slip & trip down stairs.
Could never currently dream of half of what they do & tbb is only 59 with 2 weekly Physios.
(Please don't read this as ageist as tbb salutes these old buggers...it's merely the novelty of Anomaly!)

Long Live The American Dream! ( Vomit Bag quote must surely self destruct in 10 minutes...please! )
"............................................................!" Better?

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sypkan Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 7:48pm

the trump raid

from stealing nuclear secrets... to harmless trophy collecting...

all in the space of an election campaign

who woulda thunk it?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/11/16/shocker-w...

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GuySmiley Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 8:23pm

Pjmedia self proclaimed centre-right media defending trump.

Centre-right bahahaha yeah nah

who woulda thunk it?

pJmedia’s editor has a very interesting Twitter account by the way, let’s say very trumpish

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sypkan Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 8:36pm

dude, the quotes are direct from the washington post

bahahahahahahaha

bahahahahahahahahha.......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive...

your cancel is cancelled

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sypkan Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 8:36pm

moron

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GuySmiley Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 10:06pm

You’re a funny guy sypkan

pjmedia are even asking for $$ to support conservative media, did you even read who they are before sharing their link? Did you know who edits their publications even? Or that a comedian wrote that story?

If you’re going to quote far right media perhaps you should be honest about it or not …. Out

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sypkan Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 11:42pm

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sypkan Friday, 18 Nov 2022 at 11:44pm

a cancel culturer's gonna cancel I guess

pj media has gone from 'centre right' to 'far right' in a space of two hours... nice work...

but frankly, who gives a shit... the article is factual, its quoting the washington post champ

...which was kinda the whole point...

the washington post quotes guy... quite the turnaround... no?

cancel on

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frog Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 6:16am

Reports from Nordstream investigation by Sweden indicate that they found foreign objects placed on the pipeline

An unconfirmed report from a high level unnamed sauce, who may or may not have knowledge of the matter, who did not wish to be identified for reasons of national insecurity, but who is prepared to speak off the record anyway, believes that some of the foreign objects were intact Russian passports. The finger points at Russia them / they said.

What more proof do we need?

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etarip Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 7:00am
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the trump raid

from stealing nuclear secrets... to harmless trophy collecting...

all in the space of an election campaign

who woulda thunk it?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/11/16/shocker-w...

Special Counsel just appointed on 2 different cases involving Trump:

1) Whether “any person or entity unlawfully interfered with the transfer of power” between 2020 election & 1/6

2) Presence of “classified documents & presidential documents” at Mar-a-Lago

Your link spoke to motive for possession of documents. I think that’s largely irrelevant to the second case.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 3:12pm

American Pyramids are Hometown Presidential Museums.
Each President stores their stash until their Museums are built.
Current Obama Records are still stored at Plunkett's Furniture Warehouse > (Online Transfer)
Obama is currently stealing an entire City's Parkland for his Presidential Palace > see Site Visit.


14 Aug 2022 tbb shared a swellnet exclusive complete list of Post Watergate Presidential Pyramids.
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/853906

Plans for a Trump Museum are divided by Trump Tower or Florida + may need expansion! (We'll see!)
Trump self secures a few Docs & items as he has not finished serving & is running again in 2024.
Yeah! Kinda like a spanner in the works for already dyslexic NARA.

Wot is not said is that NARA (National Archives & Records Admin) has no facility for Trump's Docs.
NARA cares least & has scattered Trump's stash over several Govt Locations.
For the Record...As with Obama...Trump's Stash is being shared online....
https://www.trumplibrary.gov/

Pause

So wot's all the fuss about?
Well, not all Docs are being shared, as is the law.
As with Oz there are always 3rd Nation / Defence secret delays for 12 years.

Ok! So wot is the FBI after?

That's easy...& all the crew know what Holy Grail that the Dems seek & how it's only now off limits.

All recall when Trump made drunken threats on twitter then were instantly deleted 2 seconds later.
All tech builds walls around client base & would refuse access to Govt / FBI / Police as they do.
They equally ban reproduction to 3rd party online...as in a Presidential on-line share.
So ya need the Prez to self sanction any / some but unlikely all tweets. (Again...3rd party issues!)

Exactly!
Only twitter + Trump have records of all & only (***** Liable) tweets at his Condo.
Consider Joe only needs to suss one rogue tweet that hit send / delete for a micro blip & Don is toast!
But big BUT...

Mad keen closet Trump supporter just bought twitter for $Gazillion & sacked everyone & now broke!
Again! Crew know exactly why!
To prevent FBI from hacking into Trump's Horror Show Tweet Archive.
Should Republicans return to Office then Musk is awarded the whole of USA on an Ice Cream Stick
Not a bad deal + nothing to lose...Just gotta say that Hodad Biden is crabby pattie.

So not Sharkie's #2 Jersey & not the Stash behind Fauci's Couch just the endless banned illegal tweets.

Biden : "Tell the FBI I'm willing to pay $Gazillion for a "Covfefe with Sugar & cream" ...#@$*
Yep! Just one of them there Deleted Drunken Tweets is yer smoking gun Holy Grail in 2022!
Trump: "It's so sad!"

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 4:29pm

"Special Counsel just appointed on 2 different cases involving Trump:

1) Whether “any person or entity unlawfully interfered with the transfer of power” between 2020 election & 1/6

2) Presence of “classified documents & presidential documents” at Mar-a-Lago

Your link spoke to motive for possession of documents. I think that’s largely irrelevant to the second."

you post sounds like this is exciting / significant / surprising / damning...

is it any or all of the above?

to you...

really?

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 4:35pm

"Your link spoke to motive for possession of documents. I think that’s largely irrelevant to the second case."

'largely irrelevant'

maybe... in a legal sense... perhaps...

but... c'mon man

its quite the anti climax from selling nuclear secrets to putin

what a comedown

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etarip Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 7:31pm

You’ve missed my point. Again.
I’m not excited about it. It’s a fact,

I guess you’re having a crack at the media for their breathless reporting, BUT, what DJT planned to do with TS/SCI SAP/STO material IS irrelevant. There’s a whole lotta documented regulations (and legal backup to that process) that go with access to and control of that stuff. It (the security controls) is readily available on the internet if you’re inclined to resurch.

If Donny had those type of docs in his possession, which has been reported and as far as I know not actually denied by him, he’s more than likely in a spot of legal bother. Whatever he planned to do with it…. There’s a precedent element to this. If they don’t go after it, whoever comes next will use that in their defence.

I’ve mentioned before that the bell weather I used for GOP loss in the 2020 election and the 22 mid-terms was the attitudes of American mates and acquaintances, majority current or ex-military and almost exclusively Republican-leaning. They’re all off Trump: for a lot of them the cavalier attitude to national security was the tipping point.

Former AG Barr, who slow-rolled the release of the heavily redacted Mueller reprint, has come out recently and did he thinks that DoJ most likely has grounds to indict.

Make of that what you will.

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Distracted Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 8:14pm
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Reports from Nordstream investigation by Sweden indicate that they found foreign objects placed on the pipeline

An unconfirmed report from a high level unnamed sauce, who may or may not have knowledge of the matter, who did not wish to be identified for reasons of national insecurity, but who is prepared to speak off the record anyway, believes that some of the foreign objects were intact Russian passports. The finger points at Russia them / they said.

What more proof do we need?

Sounds a bit bizarre… there were passports under 20m of water on the pipeline? Sounds like a typo.

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 9:59pm

big man top general type dude breaking ranks with the big guy commander and queef?

https://m.

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sypkan Saturday, 19 Nov 2022 at 10:08pm

...sounds like a pretty rational assessment to me...

not to mention a bit of a return to the once 'red lines' and 'offramps'...

...or more meat grinder?

I really do wonder how much the big guy biden administration's position is about being rational and reasonable, ...rather than pure resentment and revenge about... well, a lot of things...

resentment and revenge aren't generally the best of motivations

tend to cloud one's judgement

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etarip Sunday, 20 Nov 2022 at 6:45am

You know he’s not saying ‘stop fighting and give the Russians what they have, right?’

He’s saying, and he’s pretty clear, that the probability of a purely military victory ‘in the next couple weeks’ is low (including Crimea). That’s a very rational assessment.

He goes on to say that the Russians may withdraw politically. I think that assessment is wrong.

Putin’s not going to concede anything at this point. Not a chance in hell. And neither are the Ukrainians.

I also think there’s a significant degree of misrepresentation of the role of military action within a broader framework of tools of statecraft. It’s not like the others stop. I’m almost 100% sure that there will be ongoing ‘discussions’ between the Russians and Ukrainians. It’s probably in neither of their interests to publicise this at this point.

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frog wrote:

Reports from Nordstream investigation by Sweden indicate that they found foreign objects placed on the pipeline

An unconfirmed report from a high level unnamed sauce, who may or may not have knowledge of the matter, who did not wish to be identified for reasons of national insecurity, but who is prepared to speak off the record anyway, believes that some of the foreign objects were intact Russian passports. The finger points at Russia them / they said.

What more proof do we need?

Sounds a bit bizarre… there were passports under 20m of water on the pipeline? Sounds like a typo.

When a "sauce" may or "may not" have knowledge on the matter you have to judge for yourself the veracity of the report.

But we don't really need to know because, whether the sauce is tomato or BBQ, even when they have little knowledge on the matter, the media and experts know: "the finger points at Russia".

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Craig Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 2:54pm
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blackers Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 5:04pm

And the world is now a better place?

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velocityjohnno Friday, 25 Nov 2022 at 5:15pm
etarip wrote:

I’ve mentioned before that the bell weather I used for GOP loss in the 2020 election and the 22 mid-terms was the attitudes of American mates and acquaintances, majority current or ex-military and almost exclusively Republican-leaning. They’re all off Trump: for a lot of them the cavalier attitude to national security was the tipping point.

That's a good point, to go back to withdrawing the US umbrella at this point, making the allies pay for their own defence, and generally doing the isolationism thing - it isn't the path to take in the current geopolitical situation. I can see why military would sour on him. There were reports of defence officials disobeying Trump and not withdrawing forces - if you create a power vacuum, someone else will fill it.

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etarip Saturday, 26 Nov 2022 at 2:58pm

As old Winston Churchill said during WW2:

“There is only one thing worse than fighting with allies and that is fighting without them.”

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Jelly Flater Sunday, 27 Nov 2022 at 4:11pm

Maybe there are things that are worse ;)

- committing to fight under the guise of upholding freedom and liberty and sovereignty etc, whilst at the same time enabling systemic corruption to flourish and facilitating the continued genocide of civilians …

Or

- joining a fight or helping ‘allies’ who aren’t actual allies, but instead are organisations and governments with vested interests in geopolitical dominance ;)

There are antidotes to war.

They involve reason, balance, understanding and… mutual respect ;)

Does the US exhibit any of these traits or just seem to be invested in furthering the scope of their military industrial complex ?

Sovereignty didn’t seem to be an appropriate counter argument with Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc.

Double standards are a wonderful thing for some ;)

Wherever and whenever there is money to be made, war will continue…

And it continues ;)

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