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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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zenagain Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 8:59pm

A way of mangling them too Guy.

(see above)

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 3 Nov 2021 at 9:43pm

That’s funny zen, that’s up there with my own “nativity scene” faux par from some time back. As odd as it may seem, I mean who would guess, I too was overly quick on the trigger in what I thought was a highly humorous retort to an @info comment!

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 8:02am

Funny that one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world STILL can't count votes properly !!!

"Election watchers are already anticipating calls for a recount in the Garden State. Unlike some places, New Jersey does not have any minimum requirements or guidelines for an automatic recount. A candidate or group of at least 10 voters can petition a Superior Court judge for a recount up to 17 days after the election.

The race has also already been plagued by counting issues that led to vote tallies being doubled in one county and election workers accidentally locking machines in others."

As Stalin said it doesn't matter who the people vote for , what matters is who counts them .

I also wonder why people are against needing to have ID to vote . It probably doesn't make a big difference in Oz but we all know we need ID to do almost everything . Open a bank account , sit an exam - the list is endless . It would make the job of electoral workers easier .

What are the negatives other than having to take your wallet when voting ?

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 11:48am

Yes, these types walk amongst here too. On Swellnet!

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2021/11/03/facepalm-of-the-week-8/

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flollo Thursday, 4 Nov 2021 at 12:20pm

Biden, Harris, Obama + all the other Democrat elite heavily campaigned in Virginia and they all still failed. If you look at the data, Youngkin made huge gains in suburbian, northern suburbs of the state which are parts of the Washington DC metro area and consistently democratic. If you look at for example Loudoun County which is the area around Washington's airport, it has 15%+ benchmark for the Democrats. However, Youngkin managed to gain 5% (still didn't win it - 55 vs 45)and collect a whole heap of additional votes. He actually didn't make some enormous gains in rural, more traditional Republican areas.

It looks like Democrats also lost the house overnight (it was 50-50 yesterday) with an indication that Republican seats might close at 52 (loss of 7 seats for the Democrats). These big swings are not a coincidence and cannot be dumbed down to 'primitivism of the voting body'. Republicans ran a superior campaign and won fair and square.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 7:47am

A small fish that knows who the whales are .

The office of Special Counsel John Durham has confirmed that Igor Danchenko, a key source for British ex-spy Christopher Steele, has been arrested. This is the third arrest by Durham who is moving toward the prosecution stage of his investigation into the origins of the Russian collusion scandal. Durham is variously described as either painfully methodical or positively glacial as a prosecutor. But he is widely credited with being a dogged and absolutely apolitical prosecutor. Danchenko’s arrest is a seismic development and confirmed Durham is far from done with his investigation.

Washington was recently rocked by the indictment of Michael Sussman, former counsel for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, for his alleged role in spreading a false Russia conspiracy theory.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:17am

Some of Pascoe's finest work.

A snippet:

"The Republican Party’s march ever further to the neoliberal extreme has been the route map for the Liberal Party as its more moderate leadership has vacated the field, as conservative “Prayer Group” numbers men have taken control of the federal party room and the most obvious local conservative “think tank” (I use the term loosely), the Institute of Public Affairs, pumps out the sort of doctrinaire propaganda associated with the US lobby groups funded by the Koch brothers."

Read it and weep...

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/11/05/michael-pascoe-local-trump...

Hang about, did I post this in the wrong thread?

Hard to tell...sadly...

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:48am

Connie - It makes we wonder how the Republicans won the unwinnable election .

The US people must have not been listening to the MSM who called it a 96% shoe in .

Maybe the LNP know something that you don't ie what the majority of people really want ?

Surely Pascoe is right this time ?

Even a broken watch is right occasionally .

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stunet Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 12:18pm

Would seem the adage about 'underestimating the American public' has assumed a political angle. No election lost by dragging the debate to the sewer.

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Supafreak Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 12:55pm

‘ understanding the American public “

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 1:55pm

good vid supafreak

nothing new... it's all been said before... and it ain't rocket science...

but geez some crew just don't get it

from the vid...

two biggest events...

rich got richer, poor got poorer... with the democrats at the helm...

pandemic, democrats doing it again...

stop thinking you know best!

...and maybe back off on the constant... the all consuming... the peurile... unjustified judgements and condescendation...

inside dude said it, current trajectory dems are heading for political wilderness...

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 1:58pm

sorry to say it... but...

'the left' have just totally lost touch with the people, its the same here in oz...

once again, nothing new there, no rocket science...

(though it seems large swathes of 'the left' are yet to accept this assessment...)

it seems they can't... almost a decade or more into a 'feels' that started way before trump... and they are yet to get it...

too far gone?

irredeemable?

never thought that before... but geez... what does it take?

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Roker Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 2:49pm

Buffalo looked like they were going to get a genuine left wing candidate up for mayor - a nurse, grass roots activist, running on both an economic redistribution and socially progressive platform - until the formidable cashed up Dems machine kicked into gear. As far as India Walton goes, it sounds like money for public schools and affordable housing played well, but that the funds would come from 'defunding' the police, less so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/nyregion/byron-brown-buffalo-mayor.html

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/buffalo-mayor-s-election-india-walton-appe...

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san Guine Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 6:23pm
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Buffalo looked like they were going to get a genuine left wing candidate up for mayor - a nurse, grass roots activist, running on both an economic redistribution and socially progressive platform - until the formidable cashed up Dems machine kicked into gear. As far as India Walton goes, it sounds like money for public schools and affordable housing played well, but that the funds would come from 'defunding' the police, less so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/nyregion/byron-brown-buffalo-mayor.html

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/buffalo-mayor-s-election-india-walton-appe...

Can't let a nurse in Roker, they might do something 'progressive', like care for their community...

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sypkan Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:23pm

"...As far as India Walton goes, it sounds like money for public schools and affordable housing played well, but that the funds would come from 'defunding' the police, less so."

what's gotta be the biggest political own goal in long long time bites again...

seriously, if the left of politics just had big sit down reality check, and eliminared about 4 or 5 things from their platform, full black listed issues, never to be mentioned again, the right of politics wouldn't stand a chance...

this applies the world over

but ya can't tell em...

anything!

anything at all...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:00am

A detailed report of what happened at the Capitol. Read it and weep. This is what ideologucakly driven bullshit leads to.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/what-happened-t...

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Blowin Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 11:40am
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A detailed report of what happened at the Capitol. Read it and weep. This is what ideologucakly driven bullshit leads to.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/what-happened-t...

Lol. I should’ve known you’d be balls deep in The Bloody Attack On Democracy on January 6!!!!!!!!!!

The most obvious pisstake in modern political history*, an event so stage managed that it may as well of occurred in a studio, yet it’s red meat to the block headed Anti Trump diehards who’ve had to go hungry since the Russia Russia Russia fantasy had to be quietly walked back.

The people who think the “Capital Insurrection” wasn’t a secret service / DNC production , the ones who believe that a few hundred selfie-taking punters strolling through the building after being corralled by agent provocateurs and then ushered in by a strategically depleted skeleton crew security was a coup attempt, are the type who also believe that ET the Extraterrestrial was a documentary about a real boy’s love for a stranded alien.

*Was actually worse than the “ Trump is a Russian agent “ pantomime. Hard to believe but true.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provoc...

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 12:21pm

I love the blow by blow micro breakdown...

such meticulous detail

that somehow... mysteriously... still missed the detail that the rioters were well away at the capitol building whilst trump was still speaking elsewhere...

a minor oversight I guess...

fucking hilarious

I'd love to see such a blow by blow breakdown of some of those other riots...

minor details overlooked or not

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Blowin Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 12:44pm
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I love the blow by blow micro breakdown...

such meticulous detail

that somehow... mysteriously... still missed the detail that the rioters were well away at the capitol building whilst trump was still speaking elsewhere...

a minor oversight I guess...

fucking hilarious

I'd love to see such a blow by blow breakdown of some of those other riots...

minor details overlooked or not

The whole thing is theatre from go to whoa. The only reason that some clown out there would take it seriously is because there’s a billion dollar media and political movement crafting the theatre. When BB reads the Washington Post telling the fantasy he believes it as gospel because if he starts questioning the integrity of the Washington Post that might open up a Pandora’s box of unpleasantness which he does not want to contemplate.

It’s particularly telling how effective the propaganda campaign is when you consider that Blindboy has a history of believing the US to be a cynical, manipulative place where any low down scheme and huge lie is just another strategy to enforce the will of the establishment. It wasn’t so long ago that someone like BB KNEW that the US was rotten to the core, who knew that the US would stop at nothing to subjugate and oppress a nation in order to control it and have their way.

Now that the US is doing it to its own people instead of Iraq or some South American nation, people like BB have completely abandoned their beliefs and now side with the US establishment and swallow any ridiculous notion they are fed.

It’s bizarre to watch.

He’s gone from “God fuck Amerika” to “ The US government acts with unquestionable integrity”. And to think…..all it took to launder the evil deeds of the US establishment in the eyes of the mugs like BB was to say “Orange man bad cause he said grab-pussy” and the rest of the war mongering human filth is now unimpeachable in their behaviour.

It’s the exact same crew behind the scenes who invaded Iraq, who want to assassinate Assange, who want to destroy Syria …..yet BB is on THEIR side! Against the American people themselves no less. BB has been told by the same US propaganda war machine responsible for the “Weapons of mass destruction” that over 100 million US citizens are irredeemable racists who are planning to destroy democracy……and he believes them!

How can you fix that kind of stupid?

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 1:08pm

"It’s particularly telling how effective the propaganda campaign is when you consider that Blindboy has a history of believing the US to be a cynical, manipulative place where any low down scheme and huge lie is just another strategy to enforce the will of the establishment. It wasn’t so long ago that someone like BB KNEW that the US was rotten to the core, who knew that the US would stop at nothing to subjugate and oppress a nation in order to control it and have their way."

yep, most interesting to watch if nothing else...

it really is quite bizarre

I still have a little faith he doesn't actually believe the bullshit, and is just balls deep in the propaganda war...

but with the mindless doubling down on the mindless double downs...

I'm thinking that's no longer the case

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Blowin Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 1:19pm

Interesting piece over at Beachgrit today. Just think ….the people quoted in the article are those who opposed Trump the most wholeheartedly. They are the US establishment. They didn’t wantbTrump and so they launched a war against him.

……And BB sided with them!

It goes to show the power of propaganda.

https://beachgrit.com/2021/11/long-read-surfer-turned-war-crimes-investi...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 1:20pm

......and they wonder why the forums deteriorate to slanging matches? Do either of you want to support your distortion of my views with actual quotes or have we reverted already to any sort of bullshit goes, no evidence required @whatisaythreetimesistrue

Though I suppose I should be happy that they feel so threatened by the well documented truth they have to distort and lie to create an argument against it.

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Blowin Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 1:30pm

You’re the one spreading the fantasy, BB. It’s your job to prove your story to be fact. Up until then I’ll stick with the concept that the historical fact of US being a lying, sleazy, murderous state which will do anything to entrench and further its own power, is now being turned against the US population.

Did you read the link I provided?

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 1:48pm

Subtlety? Nuance? Not really your thing eh mate? Do you read much history? Probably not. But prove my point? Well the Washington Post is a huge well staffed newspaper with contacts in every part of government. The story is based on 230 interviews and is extensively footnoted. But little ole Blowin, thousands of kilometres away somehow knows better. Ha ha ha. Good luck getting anyone beyond the usual subjects to believe that. I might post some highlights if you play nice. Not sure how that link is relevant. America has been a bad actor absolutely, but that has nothing directly to do with the events at the Capitol.

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:07pm

as I just said...

trump inspired 'insurrection' ...well well underway... whilst trump speech still running....

(I'm sure it was just a minor innocent oversight at wa-po)

"...There is good reason why AG Garland ran from Massie’s question faster than he could find words — and why he couldn’t even keep eye contact as he was dodging Massie’s gaze.

After months of research, Revolver’s investigative reporting team can now reveal that Ray Epps appears to be among the primary orchestrators of the very first breach of the Capitol’s police barricades at 12:50pm on January 6. Epps appears to have led the “breach team” that committed the very first illegal acts on that fateful day. What’s more, Epps and his “breach team” did all their dirty work with 10 minutes still remaining in President Trump’s National Mall speech, and with the vast majority of Trump supporters still 30 minutes away from the Capitol."

if this doesn't raise questions within... well. then, you are clearly just no longer willing to question... ...anything...

"...Secondly, Revolver also determined, and will prove below, that the the FBI stealthily removed Ray Epps from its Capitol Violence Most Wanted List on July 1, just one day after Revolver exposed the inexplicable and puzzlesome FBI protection of known Epps associate and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes. July 1 was also just one day after separate New York Times report amplified a glaring, falsifiable lie about Epps’s role in the events of January 6.

Lastly, Ray Epps appears to have worked alongside several individuals — many of them suspiciously unindicted — to carry out a breach of the police barricades that induced a subsequent flood of unsuspecting MAGA protesters to unwittingly trespass on Capitol restricted grounds and place themselves in legal jeopardy."

and, a classic case of careful what you wish for...

"...Corroborating Ray Epps’s Identity

Identifying the individual in Thomas Massie’s video as Ray Epps was a surprisingly quick and easy task for the Internet.

It took less than a week after January 6 for online researchers to track Epps down and confirm his identity. Researchers uncovered his personal Facebook profile, where Epps shared his life story on Mark Zuckerberg’s social media app, under his real name.

On Facebook, Epps posted photos of himself boating, on horseback, and bear-hunting with a crossbow...

...Researchers went on to locate Epps’s ranch in Arizona, his events business, his private holding company, along with every publicly discoverable record imaginable. They even found his Facebook likes, religious affiliation, and preferred insurance agents and plumbing services, which we’ll avoid reporting in the interest of sparing unnecessary private details.

Epps, who grew up in Arizona and still lives there today, was contacted directly by local newspaper Arizona Central on January 11 — less than a week after January 6, and just three days after Epps was added to the FBI Most Wanted List, a detail upon which we will elaborate later on in this report...

...So to recap, on January 8, the FBI begged the public’s help to identify the mysterious “Person #16.”

Then, a funny thing happened: the public actually delivered.

Initially, swarms of left-wing researcher accounts, Antifa groups, and partisan non-profits leapt into Crowdsourced Internet Detective mode. They assigned Epps’s identity various hashtags and tracked his movements throughout January 5-6. The primary three hashtags assigned to Epps were: ..."

dunno if the fbi are totally and incomprehensibly incompetent...

or if sowing the seeds of doubt, mistrust and conspiracy is their main game...

truly bizarre events and developments either way

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provoc...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:06pm

Revolver vs the daily dot?
Who cares. The real story is the one in the Washington Post.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailydot.com/debug/revolver-news-ray-ep...

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:08pm
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I love the blow by blow micro breakdown...

such meticulous detail

that somehow... mysteriously... still missed the detail that the rioters were well away at the capitol building whilst trump was still speaking elsewhere...

a minor oversight I guess...

fucking hilarious

I'd love to see such a blow by blow breakdown of some of those other riots...

minor details overlooked or not

I loved the headline the best "Bloodshed"

Except they forgot to mention the only blood shed was some crazy unarmed Trump women shot at point blank range by security as she climbed through a window.

We all know from the footage the reality was there was a group of hardcore fruitcake Trumpers at the front, none armed mind you, then there was a lot of people walking around getting selfies like they are visiting an art gallery on a Sunday arvo.

Should never have happened, there is no justification for it happening, just like every other riot in the USA in 2020.

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:18pm

Blind One from this one sentence "Well the Washington Post is a huge well staffed newspaper with contacts in every part of government. "

I know the WP is part of "The Swamp " . I do believe you and need no link .

That's why I thought Trump a better option than Hillary . I am , and the US people are , sick of the establishment . Thee establishment don't want any outsider telling them how to run their business . The people they are supposed to serve the least of all .

They FREAKED out when Trump won ( it was so enjoyable to watch ) . Trump though could NOT "Clean Up the Swamp " . With the help of the MSM , Big Tech FBI , CIA , DOJ etc they made sure , using ALL means available , he would serve only one term .

The US people now know they were duped into voting for Biden . The opinion polls show how much they regret it .

What I find very funny is how they have made a FATAL error . Trump will WIN ( health permitting ) the next election AND the one after ( it will be either Trump Snr or Jnr ). The Swamp will have ensured that a Trump is USPOA for 12-18 years .

They have kicked an own goal and ensured they get cleaned up at the same time .

Great news for the US and the free world . A model that will run rampant through the establishment world wide . It will "Make My Day ".

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:17pm

hardly a convincing conclusive rebuttal...

from your article...

'Given how little is known, no conclusion can be made about Epps either way at this time. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Epps at some point has had a relationship with the FBI given his long history with far-right groups. But no one, especially Revolver, has actually provided evidence to prove that to be true."

shit don't add up... that's the only certainty...

fbi shit...

and actions...

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:18pm

"Blind One from this one sentence "Well the Washington Post is a huge well staffed newspaper with contacts in every part of government. ""

he don't do irony...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:22pm

Yeh the rioters come across as your sort of people.

“ As rioters pushed their way into the Speaker’s Lobby, their hatred and zeal was evident. When Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn ordered them to leave the Capitol, some yelled back:
“President Trump invited us here!”
“Nobody voted for Joe Biden!”
In a rare instance of injecting politics into his job, Dunn replied: “I voted for Joe Biden. Does my vote not count? Am I nobody?”
Rioters then hurled racial epithets at Dunn, who is Black.
“You hear that, guys?” one woman said. “This n----r voted for Joe Biden!”
About 20 people screamed at Dunn, “Boo! F---ing n——r!”

around 4:27 p.m., a wave of rioters attacked police who were standing guard inside the Capitol’s West Terrace archway. Police were trying to aid a rioter who had been trampled near the archway when another rioter grabbed an officer and knocked him off his feet. “F--- you!” someone told the officer. “I’ll f---ing kill you!”
The officer lay on his back in the middle of the archway, using his baton to fight off assaults. Footage shows Jeffrey Sabol, wearing a helmet, appearing suddenly and wrestling the baton out of the officer’s hand, leaving him to defend himself with only his hands.
Around the time Sabol took the baton, another rioter used a metal crutch to beat on police standing in the archway. The man wielding the crutch climbed over a low fence, grabbed a second officer and pulled him headfirst down a set of stairs and into the mob. Sabol was right there, his hand on the second officer’s back. Then, with a flagpole flying an American flag, a third rioter beat the second officer, who was captured on camera lying facedown in the crowd.”

The officer from whom Sabol had stolen the baton was also dragged into the crowd, where rioters ripped off his helmet, Maced him and stomped on him. He required staples in his head."

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:30pm

personal attacks already?

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 2:35pm

and...

your faux concern and outrsge for the police, seemed to be MIA when 'your sort of people'... we're running down cops in cars and pretty much everything else in the passage above...

he don't do irony...

he don't do hypocrisy...

he lives it!!

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:11pm

Personal attacks? You are the one supporting them. If you would not behave in that manner why are you supporting those who do?

Please provide evidence for your assertion that the police were running people down.

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Blowin Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:21pm

No point continuing with you BB. The US establishment has told you what to think and you happily believe it.

You KNOW that “domestic terrorism” is the number 1 strategic threat to the USA and that’s why a new regime of control and surveillance is required to be unleashed on the US population…….lolol.

Keep on sucking, Sucker!

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:30pm

who said anything about supporting them?

once again your binary 'us and them' mentality raises it's ugly head...

again...

and again...

the questions are around ugly government establishment forces and a terribly corrupted fbi

the stuff the left used to talk about...

assuming you mistyped above, here's a video...

not the one I posted before, where the suv clearly lines up a police officer line from 50 metres and then gasses it flaf out into them...

but it still gives you the gist of events... and the little bump bump over a speed bump action you see in the video, is actually going over a policeman's body

enjoy...

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/public-safety/2020/06/02/state...

https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenMarth/status/1267643079881904130?ref_s...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:40pm

Mate given the incoherent nature of your posts it is hard to know exactly or even roughly what your point is. Try to write in sentences that follow one another logically if you want to be understood. Until then I will make a best guess at what you are trying to say. So now try to explain what it is you actually think about the events at the Capitol, in plain English without the usual disconnected staccato nonsense. No idea how the videos link to the issue of the Capitol so you might try to explain that too

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:55pm

errr....

"Please provide evidence for your assertion that the police were running people down."

you asked for it...

mate there's no point continuing...

it's you that's powered by 'idelogical driven bullshit'....

to the point you are literaally incapable of an objective discussion

you're a bit broken...

still...

let's just stop

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:48pm

Blind One - Don't be childish .

Sypkans posts are much easier for me to read and comprehend than your posts .

I will admit that I am a bit different and older than most on SN .

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:54pm

and fwiw...

I see blm and jan 6 riots as same same...

they both have a fair grievance with how america is being run...

if these groups could just see this (many actually do...) there's hope for real change...

but while puritan misguided moralisers like yourself keep demonising the wrong people...

there's no fucking hope!!

bring on the full breakdown!

it that what you really want...

I'd like to avoid that personally

but I'm cool with it either way...

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:05pm

So you think Trump won the election?

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:21pm

no...

but it was most certainly stolen

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:24pm

So Trump didn't win......but the election was stolen? Doesn't make much sense to me care to explain?

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:42pm

well, to be perfectly honest, there was a lot of stuff going on in the dark that has not been adequately explained...

but putting that aside...

and just concentrating on the legitimate steal...

if the media and big tech etc. reported on biden, hunter, and the laptop freely and fairly, as they should... I am sure that would have been enough to close the pissy margin biden won by...

mail in votes: the enthusiasm and desperation the democrats showed to change this system in their favour went well beyond any corona bullshit... and it worked... as everyone knew it would... both sides!

without even going into the dodgy dark of night so called 'conspiracy' shit, just one of the above events not happening would have more than likely lead to a trump victory

the fact there were these events, ...and so so so many other forces going against trump... I do not think it is unfair to say the election was stolen

the mail thing... fair play... maybe...

the biden black out... totally dodge!

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:45pm

all that against trump... and biden still just scrapes in...

it's quite pathetic actually, biden's win, even if one accepts the legitimacy of the above events

and it is now being laid bare

in biden's patheticness

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:52pm

Blind One - depends what your definition of stolen is . Be more specific .

As I said above he had the Swamp , MSM , Big Tech , FBI , CIA , DOJ , the leaders of most other countries etc etc plotting to get him removed , bad mouthing him , blocking him etc etc etc from day ONE .

They all freaked out that the people of the US wanted him and not Hillary as their President . They all made sure that the people would not make the same mistake twice .

That fits MY definition of stolen but am sure it won't make sense to you and DON'T ask me to explain again . I know it won't help .

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Vic Local Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:55pm

So you think Trump won the election?
sypkan: no...but it was most certainly stolen.

I might sit this one out blokes. No point arguing with idiocy. You'd probably get more sense out of some bloke in a straight jacket who thinks the colour of orange juice is blue.

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 5:05pm

I purposely deleted your idiocy from one of my posts before... because I didn't want to go there... your idiocy...

so yeh, please do

sit it out

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 5:06pm

So how does that justify the Capitol riot? Might be time to give it away. You started with nothing.....and have gone nowhere.