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Vic Local wrote:Hutchy 19 wrote:Viclocal - you said .
"The far right are actively recruiting anti vaxxers and the anti lockdown crew. "
Really ? How ? Where do people sign up ? Or are you just making something up again ? Another brain fart ?
There's no shortage of far right organisations with a presences at anti-vax anti lockdown rallies. These people prey on vulnerable scared idiots looking for a place to belong.
Anyone stupid enough to believe vaccinations are poisonous and kill people, is dumb enough to believe in white Utopias.
Oh and yes, groups like the Lads Society, Australia First, and alt right political parties do have offical memberships.
Ive followed or follow all kinds of conservative's on social media and You tube and conservative groups and pages, even some people that get demonised and labeled far or alt right even though their views are super moderate people like Lauren Southern.
Ive commented on lots of these social media post, ive never ever had anyone try to recruit me to anything, never got a strange message from a stranger or anything from those pages. (had quite a few weird messages in non political groups though, especially when involved in Crypto currency)
I unfollowed a couple conservative pages/people early in Covid that were pushing anti vax views, some pages/people still post stuff sometimes, but the views are no different to the things or views shared by some here, same deal with anti lockdown, anti vax passport etc. (BTW. a couple conservatives are actually pro vax like Jacinta Price)
The dodgiest stuff in all honesty ive come across is from facebook friends, mostly either really alternative types that are closer to left leaning if anything or X-pat Indo guys involved in the charter boat/resort/surf camp industry, not sure why but some (not all) seems to be into a lot of the conspiracy theory stuff, like that Plandemic or just dodgy doctors with weird views, some of the stuff is on weird uncensored platforms like bitchute that are apparently the realm of true far right groups etc, but i couldn't tell you as ive never gone looking on those platforms and only links ive ever seen going to these platforms are things like plandemic or again those weird doctors type videos after they get banned from YouTube or Vimeo..
indo-dreaming wrote:Ive followed or follow all kinds of conservative's on social media and You tube and conservative groups and pages, even some people that get demonised and labeled far or alt right even though their views are super moderate people like Lauren Southern.
Super moderate? She a white supremacist!
"are super moderate people like Lauren Southern"
Oh my, so joining a bunch of White Supremacists and trying to prevent Medicine Sans Frontiere from rescuing refugees in the Mediterranean is "super moderate".
ID, you've completely and utterly lost the plot.
I'm going to say this very carefully. You're racism is now worse than blowin's.
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Ive followed or follow all kinds of conservative's on social media and You tube and conservative groups and pages, even some people that get demonised and labeled far or alt right even though their views are super moderate people like Lauren Southern.
Super moderate? She a white supremacist!
Yep thats why her husband is Asian.
You guys are so fucking clueless, you hear some shit online from some complete wanker like Tom Tankui or read some shit in Crikey or Vox or Vice and believe it as gospel.
She has had to put up with this shit for years even tried to get her Wiki page fixed up, because its full of BS demonising her, if Vox or Crikey or whatever says something about her, it's a source and wankers like you guys can take whatever is said and use it painting her as whatever Vox or Crikey says etc, and she cant do anything about it, even though its complete BS.
If you actually watched her videos which i do regularly and have done since she done more troll like things, you would be shocked at how moderate her views are, in the past she use to love stirring shit up doing troll like stunts that was the shit that got her in trouble, as she would do it in countries other than her own, piss people off get in trouble with police which would affect her ability to revisit as they would think she was going to do the same type of thing again.
I cant remember the exact thing on the refugee boat thing, will have to re look at it, i think she tried to prevent some rescue boat from getting too them, the so called rescue boat actually just a part off the people smuggling scam, im pretty sure she was exposing the whole scam....i beleive it was Italy where authority's actually cracked down on the scam arresting a couple and sentencing them to jail
I do remember she got footage of one of those groups admitting on hidden camera about how they coax fake refugees to say the right things to get accepted.(vid below)
Anyway its pointless to try to convince you guys because you will believe whatever you want to believe, even if you have never watched any of her videos, or at best some snipers taken out of context.
Here's your problem ID,
You say Southern is "super moderate" even though she hangs out with white supremacists and espouses all their grand conspiracies. She was banned from entering Australia and England, and it's not like those two nations are governed by bleeding hearts. She's full on racist scum and a hero of yours. That's your problem.
Viclocal- You remind me of the saying "you can lead a horse to water ......"
There is good in most people . Even racists . You don't know what life experiences they have had that have shaped their views .
You view SO many people as scum . You are intensely judgemental , strongly negative , to anyone who has different views .
That , imo , is your problem .
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1082077/deaths-of-migrants-in-the-me...
"...the so called rescue boat..."
Just let them drown eh Kneecapper? It worked for Australia.
BB people smuggling is illegal, so what they often do instead of smuggling from point A to B and getting busted by authority's. refuge advocate groups met smugglers half way, people smugglers do half the work and get paid and avoid authority's, refugee advocates don't receive any money but use the excuse they are rescuing so called refugees (some true many not) some countries started cracking down on the scam, charging the refugee advocates as smugglers which they are.
Yeah the more people smuggled the more chance of drownings when things do go wrong.
As we know you stop drownings by stopping people smuggling, and process people through proper channels, not exactly rocket science, just common sense.
Yes has worked very well for Australia.
gsco wrote:I’ve noticed simple misunderstandings and miscommunication lead to quite large scale degeneration of personal and professional relationships.
Hey gsco I seem to have this problem at home with regards to renovations and the practicality thereof. After all she is an administrator and I am a builder, but I think she watches The Block way too much for my sanity. Any advice would be handy :) :)
"...so called refugees..."
What else would you call people seriously risking their lives in small boats with no certianty about their future? And the people you admire so much for interfering in the rescue process have no right to make the judgement about a person's refugee status. They are simply thugs trying to subvert the existing process for their own reasons.....which are not too hard to imagine.
Remember SIEV X?
indo-dreaming wrote:Yep thats why her husband is Asian.
This is not the "gotcha" moment that you think it is.
Hey zen, how are you eyes today? Rolling like a poker machine on continual 5 game play I’d wager!
Yep.
Time for another slice of humble pie.
blindboy wrote:"...so called refugees..."
What else would you call people seriously risking their lives in small boats with no certianty about their future? And the people you admire so much for interfering in the rescue process have no right to make the judgement about a person's refugee status. They are simply thugs trying to subvert the existing process for their own reasons.....which are not too hard to imagine.
Remember SIEV X?
Okay you are technically correct they are all refugees some genuine some economic refugees.
More entertainment from trump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/trump-january-6-congress-bannon-c...
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Yep thats why her husband is Asian.
This is not the "gotcha" moment that you think it is.
White supremacist believe they are superior to others, why on earth would she be attracted to someone and love soneone they see as inferior and have children of mixed race when they are supposedly trying to keep the white race pure?
If it was a white guy with a coloured female partner maybe you could jump to some crazy conclusion about some power play, but unfortunetly there sexes are the wrong way around.
Anyway you know nothing about her, just second hand information based on BS, thats the problem with you people, you judge people based on what others have said of them, instead of actually judging them based on what they say themselves and who they really are, which is very different.
zenagain wrote:Yep.
Time for another slice of humble pie.
You know Zen the Christians have this short prayer: lord give me my penance on this earth. Clearly there are some sinners amongst us!
indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway you know nothing about her, just second hand information based on BS, thats the problem with you people, you judge people based on what others have said of them, instead of actually judging them based on what they say themselves and who they really are, which is very different.
I do judge her on what she's said herself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway you know nothing about her, just second hand information based on BS, thats the problem with you people, you judge people based on what others have said of them, instead of actually judging them based on what they say themselves and who they really are, which is very different.
I do judge her on what she's said herself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No you judge her based on what others have said she has said, things that are often not true at all, or taken out of context.
These things are said in an atempt to silence or cancel her from others with opposing views, and it sonetimes works because often the perception of someone or what they have said is seen as more important than what they have really said or who they really are.
Seemed like we might be getting somewhere towards the end of page 99, but sadly no.
garyg1412 wrote:Hey gsco I seem to have this problem at home with regards to renovations and the practicality thereof. After all she is an administrator and I am a builder, but I think she watches The Block way too much for my sanity. Any advice would be handy :) :)
If only I knew the solution to that one…
Economic refugees? Of course, who wouldn't set off on a dangerous voyage, on which thousands of others have died, with nothing.more than the clothes on their back and whatever they can carry for a chance to update the family car more regularly.
indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway you know nothing about her, just second hand information based on BS, thats the problem with you people, you judge people based on what others have said of them, instead of actually judging them based on what they say themselves and who they really are, which is very different.
I do judge her on what she's said herself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No you judge her based on what others have said she has said, things that are often not true at all, or taken out of context.
These things are said in an atempt to silence or cancel her from others with opposing views, and it sonetimes works because often the perception of someone or what they have said is seen as more important than what they have really said or who they really are.
I do judge her on what she's said herself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Economic refugees, you say? What, like...Lauren Southern??
Loop de loop.
Pretty much same time last year:
"How Lauren Southern got into Australia and got a gig on Sky News.
https://truecrimenewsweekly.com/the-far-right-fembot-files-leaked-border... "
...And after Info's inflamed and impassioned and inevitable response:
"Info, mate, what's wrong? She's your poster girl.
And a bit of a nazi.
But turned over a new leaf, hey?
Her years of villifying immigrants all forgotten now...'cos she's an immigrant now herself?"
Cue: Southern's PR dutifully shared by Info, with some 'special' insights shared by the man himself.
Next:
"Info, Info, Info, did you actually say 'lame'? Hahaha, what are you, a teenage stoner from the 90s? Um, well...
Anyway comrade, your heartfelt crush for Lauren (she's a looker! Then so was Eva Braun!) is touching, but swallowing her personal PR Kool-Aid (Cottees now, I guess) ain't cutting it.
It's obvious you don't know anything about her previous life, do you? She's tried to self-redact, cover up, make excuses etc, but...you know, that pesky internet! You really gotta watch what you put out there!
We all know you're a fan of 'resurch', so have a crack at explaining away some of this:
Her previous working and personal relationship with Martin Sellner, for starters.
"Sellner is a prominent figure in the ‘Identitarian movement’, a European effort to update and sanitise white nationalism and fascism. He was in contact with the Christchurch killer, Brenton Tarrant, and received financial support from him.
Interestingly, just a few months back Sellner was forced to cancel his marriage to another far right online identity – the US-based Brittany Pettibone – after the United States changed his immigration status prohibiting him from entering the country following evidence of his friendship with Tarrant was made public."
"Southern was directly involved in a mission conducted by Generation Identity (Sellner’s group), boarding a vessel in Europe headed out to block ships searching for migrants stranded at sea. It’s only one of many awful stunts she conducted as part of her career as a YouTuber, but boarding that vessel was perhaps the worst and most extreme."
And then who can forget her 2018 vilifying tour with fellow Canadian RWNJ grifter Stefan Molyneux down under? Did you go, Info?
It got some press (as is her grifting raison d'etre):
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2017/07/30/far-right-canadian-duos-v...
https://www.qt.com.au/news/youre-not-welcome-southerns-runin-with-sydney...
"And finally, of course, there’s the theory she popularised. The one which inspired our worst-ever mass-murderer, Brenton Tarrant. The Christchurch killer’s manifesto was entitled ‘The Great Replacement’ and it outlined a conspiracy theory in which white people are being deliberately ‘replaced’ by other races. Southern didn’t invent this theory, but she was among its the most famous promoters. Her ‘Great Replacement’ video glorifying the conspiracy theory received around 620,000 views, offering up largely the same paranoid call to action that Tarrant’s manifesto did.
After Christchurch, she removed the video."
Were you one of the 620,000, Info?
"Lauren’s deleted many more of her videos. Very recently. She has, for example, removed every one of her (numerous) videos promoting Generation Identity and the identitarian movement. She also deleted her interviews with Martin Sellner. She is trying to sanitise her online presence."
Did you get in before she self-redacted, Info?
Maybe she just left a "."
Maybe, with your 'resurch' skills, Info, you can watch her recorded comeback video with the very explicit disclaimer that she is no longer a white nationalist or an alt-right member.
Unless you've already seen it?
Have you caught her on Sky lately too, Info Dreemin'?
Plenty to get on with, comrade. I'll leave you to it.
Hang about...is this me 'radicalising' you??"
To finish:
"Like everyone, i dont have to agree with everything she says, and like everyone her own views are not static and written in stone they can change over time."
So as I said before, just a bit Nazi like, but she's all good now?
"Ya fuck one goat..." A good joke.
You're a bad joke, Info Dreemin'. Not even funny to laugh at anymore."
The company we keep, hey id?
Add Avi (the z grade Andy Ngo), and whatever other gronks that float your boat.
Stop THAT boat! Huzzah!
Poor ol' Zen's eyeballs have rolled so far back in his head, they're in danger of popping out his date!
"No you judge her based on what others have said she has said, things that are often not true at all, or taken out of context."
Haaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
What an absolute joke you've become ID.
Southern broadcasted her own deeply racist material on YouTube and it was there for everyone to judge. Well it was until on that platform until she started deleting it when applying for Australian citizenship. Even she knew her stuff was so fucking offensive it needed to be removed.
Fuck me, thinking Southern is a moderate is pretty pathetic Indo Dreaming.
blindboy wrote:Economic refugees? Of course, who wouldn't set off on a dangerous voyage, on which thousands of others have died, with nothing.more than the clothes on their back and whatever they can carry for a chance to update the family car more regularly.
Are you really that naive and detached from the real world?
Do you actually understand why they have such strict vetting process on refugees?
Do you understand why that refugee advocate in the video is coaxing people on what to say and how to act?
You and I are lucky to be born i a developed country something others dream of.
"Add Avi (the z grade Andy Ngo), and whatever other gronks that float your boat."
Have you seen the footage of Avi with the shit eating grin saying that "Today I've had a huge win"?. It was on the day he lost his defamation case. Who is stupid enough to believe that wife bashing bullshit artist?
Facto you are just a complete gongshow, its relly best to just avoid communicating with you as you are purely just an agitator/troll, its pretty clear what your motivates are on this forum.
The only truth is Lauren was on that boat making a documentary, im surprised you didnt turn the lighting of the hand flare to prevent their boat getting hit by the bigger rescue boat into a story of shooting at the boat with guns like others have, the so called rescue boat was operating illegally and got shut down not long after.
As for the great replacement theory BS, you clearly didnt watch the video that mentioned it, she never said she supported the idea.
Yes we are lucky and I understand that those claiming refugee status need to checked for terrorist connections. What I don't understand is how that justifies organisations with no legal right to be involved disrupting the rescue of extremely vulnerable people in circumstances that have already claimed thousands of lives. Nor do I understand why you promote the activities of such a band of heartless thugs, though your previously noted advocacy of violence as a solution to trivial problems throws some light on that.
No BB they get checked to ensure they are genuine too because the reality is a large number are not, many are rejected.
As mentioned above Lauren was on the boat making her documentary "Borderless" that looked at all aspects of the issue, she spent months on end in the region, spending much time with the refugees some genuine some not, she even slept in bushes with them avoiding authorities etc
She even admits that her view on the subject actually changed a little over the making of the film, sympathising with the people be it genuine refugee or non genuine, although she shows all aspects of the issue, her main focussed was on the people smugglers who are well organised criminals who make all kinds of promises to the people they sell the packages too selling Europe as some utopia, one that in many cases doesn't live up to expectations.
"The only truth is Lauren was on that boat making a documentary"
Oh please.
This Lauren-worshiping spin is more than a little pathetic Indo Dreaming.
According to you, what was Southern doing when she got the local neo-nazis to run security at her speaking tour? Providing employment?
Clearly the question to ask here is did Info meet Lauren at Dandy Markets?
Ha ha first time ive heard that one, im sure it must be true cause you read it on the internet.
This all goes back to the free speech thread, it's very easy to say pretty much anything about someone these days online, and many people like you will blindly believe it as fact especially when its what they would like to hear, the problem is unless the victim of the allegations has big money, it very hard to actually bring some accountability to those that start or spread lies.
It's a very real problem.
Viclocal - Let me spend a minute trying to come up with a few groups you think are racist scum .
Most Japanese and Koreans . The two largest , purist races on the planet .
Trump supporters . Many muslims that believe all other religions are full of infidels ( I think that is racist ) .
Many children that are notorious of bulling anyone different .
Many Blacks and Aboriginals . A close friend ( teacher ) and his wife ( midwife ) went to an Aboriginal community to help out for 5 years . Wanted to leave after 2 .
Many people who vote right .
Nearly a billion people .
As I said many that are good people .
Have had different lives that have shaped these views .
Can you lighten up a bit ?
Some nice ducking and weaving there Indo.
Is anyone here still buying what they're selling?
Poor ol' Hutchy 91 & lil' id.
There's nothing to buy there is the truth and then there is lies, im sure people here will go on believing what they want and highly doubt they will change their mind because it's very unlikely you are actually going to invest time in listening to Lauren and her views.
Like i said the real problem is, people can say what they want about someone or spin a story how they want, unless the person being attacked has good money to take legal action they are screwed, especially if they need to take on a media organisation where much more money is needed..
And even if they did have the money to take them on and win and get a story taken down or altered, half the time it's too late the damage is done, its old news.
Indo Dreaming said "Ha ha first time ive heard that one (Southern hiring nazis for security), im sure it must be true cause you read it on the internet."
It's true because she posed with the neo-nazis and even flashed a white power sign for one fo the photos.
You can look at it here.
So anyways, the private security detail used by Stefan Molyneux & Lauren Southern @ last night's stoopid @ La Mirage in Somerton?
— Andy Fleming (@slackbastard) July 21, 2018
Members of neo-#nazi grouplet 'The Lads Society'.#antifa #auspol #Melbourne #FCKNZS pic.twitter.com/FyjdE2LFAv
and here https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/secret-location-of-aussie-...
I think I've destroyed Indo "Dandy Markets" Dreaming's credibility here. Actually he destroyed his own credibility with his ludicrous opinions on Southern.
The more important question is, how the fuck did she get a visa and entry into Australia during the pandemic, especially when Australians were trying to get back home? Dutton needs to explain that shithouse state of affairs.
Oh and BTW Hutchy, thanks for telling me what I think. That was some truly pathetic straw-manning.
indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway you know nothing about her, just second hand information based on BS,
I guess she could just be signalling that she's ok, but methinks probably not.
Neo-nazis have co-opted the ok sign??
That sound you can hear is ten million scuba divers scratching their heads.
But not with their thumb and forefinger together, natch.
Ha ha the other day VL is trying to tell me live stream footage (with sound) isn't very reliable or accurate because you know the camera can be turned away if they are pissing on the shrine of remembrance or something and now suddenly photos# of people doing some hand single are evidence of people being a white supremesist even though they dont share those beliefs in any of their created content and all things in their personal life shows the opposite ideals, married with kids to an Asian man for instance.
# the equivalent of one frame without sound from from hundreds of thousands of frames of footage with sound.
You do know? people on the right, take the piss out of this hand signal because it's basically seen as a far left wing conspiracy theory, cause suddenly anyone who does the signal like a football player in a group photo is a white surpremist secretly (well not so secretly) sending a message to other white supremest.
You can be certain seeing it's a photo of a very young Lauren she is trolling, and you guys got hooked, hook line and sinker, its what she did when she was younger she gained her notoriety through trolling/agitating and stirring shit up, and it got her the audience she was after, im sure now she is a few years older (27 i think) with kids and family and doing more serious work like docco's etc, she does regret some of these trolls though. (but dont we all regret some of the things we did in our late teens early 20's)
BTW VL your article says a guy from the group is involved in some other white supremest group that truely does sound dodgy, but the only evidence of this group talked about that did the security is some claims from a facebook community group, the group itself claims to be about other things.
I mean FFS our own state government have been linked to some dodgy private security group who fucked quarantine resulting in hundreds of deaths and an official investigation couldn't come up with who made the decision.
Even if we jumped to some huge conclusion that this group is dodgy, if our own state government cant do a decent vetting process, then what hope do organisers of a private event have, and obviously the organising of security would not by Lauren especially seeing it was a double header tour, she obviously doesn't suddenly become guilty by association.
If the guy in the group was linked to Antifa does that suddenly make her a crazy Antifa loon?
No.
I mix with people that have very different believes to me some muslim, some christian, some anti vaxers, some new age, some id call far left, it is not a reflection on my own beliefs or ideologies.
When i worked in Indo, i even had a girl staff member who's father was Muslim and her mother Christian, technically not even legal to marry like this in Indo, but they were and married for 20+ years.
FFS ID, just top it.
You just keep digging deeper and deeper.
Now you are claiming the Lads Society, a white supremacist group that trains for combat and goes off on nazi weekend getaways (yelling out hail hitlers and displaying swastikas) isn't that bad because they "claim to be about other things".
If it looks like a nazi group, and sounds like a nazi group, it's a fucking nazi group no matter what they say they are.
Give it up champ. you're excusing some truly fucked up people. Southern is a White Supremacist, her security team are neo-nazi thugs, and you're starting to sound truly unhinged.
Did you read the article?
It does not say that about this lads society group it says, one guy is a member of another group that is a nazi group, although that info is based on a blog post from a fucken Antifa type group...seriously dude great source.
The other evidence is from some community group.
Again even if we make some assumption that the security has links to some crazy white supremacy group or this lad group is what you say it is, again you are assuming they are her beliefs because they did security for an event she was part off, its called guilt by association.
BTW. I googled it to see if there was other articles and all that came up was crazy Antifa type websites (that im surprise are not banned, and i sure arent going to click on), you say im going down rabbit holes, im betting you are getting your news from these types of websites, complete nut cases that are just the other side of the coin of the exact people we are talking about.
Its no wonder you think everyone is racist and far right this and that if you go on these sites, even people here with very left leaning views cant take you seriously around this type of stuff, because you lack the ability to have a mature discussion about impacts of high immigration rates in Australia, and think anyone who has concerns is racist.
I had no idea who southern was so I googled it last night. She is a real piece garbage. I'm not surprised that LNP are after her services
"its called guilt by association"
Haaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Hey ID, for your theory that Southern is being accused of guilt due to her association with security "guards" at her gig, that only works if she had no idea who they were.
You're actually assuming that of all the hundreds, maybe thousands of security companies in Melbourne, Southern just happened to ignore them all, and get a random bunch of blokes (without security licences) to do the job, and they just happened to be neo nazis. Bit of a coincidence there champ.
id, R U OK?
Indo Dreaming must be getting close to saying something like, "That heavily tattooed bloke with the shaved head waving the swastika flag around is probably a Hindu not a Nazi. It'a the same symbol you know"
go hard deplatformers...
how about you challenge some of her coverage on the ground, amongst the issues... if she is so... err... wrong...
you guys just don't like what she talks about, so you attack the person... murdoch... avi... southern... same old shit... again...
and again...
such a tired old MO you guys have been trained in... so bloody predictable... so incredibly tedious... it's just beyond boring...
(not to mention totally ineffective in the internet age...)
here's the thing, if your sources, ...and err... 'journalists'... gave a more realistic picture of what is actually happening regardiing these issues, then these other 'journalists' wouldn't gain such influence...
just sayin...
"Is anyone here still buying what they're selling?"
right back at you ...mr. guilty by ommision...
carry on...
'winning'
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