Submitted by Supafreak on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 15:15
Just watched the press release from Dan Andrews and I really feel for how victorians are going to once again pay for others stupidity. Not sure how they are going to police the 1 hour exercise policy but a trip down the coast for a surf could be costly. I understand these new restrictions are mainly Melbourne suburbs and I’m very grateful for where I live NSW Qld border. When we were in shutdown there was no time limit for our exercise thank god as a 3 hour surf kept me sane after losing my job.
Here's the point you blokes.
There's literally millions of people who have done the right thing over the last 3 months in Victoria. They've made serious sacrifices. We had good people queuing up for tests in Shepperton for hours.
We are so close to easing restrictions and getting the economy moving again, but there are two main things that can reverse the improving situation. 1. complacency, (that's what started the second wave) and 2. C#nts activity undermining the medical expert's message.
On a personal note. I've got a shit load riding on borders reopening. (and I'm not the only one). I'd also like to go and visit relatives. So you'll have to forgive me for not giving the undermining c$nts any respect at all. I'm not in the mood for cutting these utterly selfish fuckers any slack..
"angry online, smiley in the brine"
Sorry VL - not giving you a leave pass or slack on this one, it was an incredibly poor take to compare a hospital visit with a beach/dog walk, and now in this follow-up response effectively label goofyfoot & others as selfish fucks for doing so. We have & continue to do all we can get on top of this thing, but forgive us after 8 months of this shit for seeking a bit of sanity and using common sense to slip the mask down when we are out in the open air with not only 1.5m distance from others, but often 50/100/200m distance. That's what he said he is seeing.
"We had good people queuing up for tests in Shepparton for hours" Yeh, the Melbourne folk have done that repeatedly too, plenty of news reports & footage during this 2nd wave of the hours long queues all over Melbourne to get tested at drive-in test sites. Spare us the Melbourne crew are all bad takes.
And finally, on the medical experts, we've got our Victorian medical experts, we've got the WHO, we've got infectious disease experts all over the world saying different things, in particular in relation to wearing masks. It is only the Victorian medical experts that seem to think that wearing a mask outdoors as you walk along a beach with nobody around is required. Time the government understand that to truly get everyone onboard and fighting the same fight, the rules need to make clear sense.
Compulsory mask wearing *kind of* made sense at the peak of the wave, as an effort to strengthen the public message of the seriousness/risk (similar to the curfew). But it's overdue for a review now.
It's going to be weird over the coming months/years watching those in power scrimping to find scapegoats to justify their team's take on virus control methods. In Victoria clearly we're being fed the rhetoric that VL is pushing - it was complacency of Victorians (more specifically, Melburnians) which started this second wave and it was the Government who came and saved the day. Regional Victorian's are now pissed off at the risk of complacent Melburnians lying and spreading the virus to their communities (rightly so, in a lot of ways). Other states will find their excuses - be it overseas returned travellers, interstaters (Victorians), family gatherings, complacency etc. This really will be a somewhat amusing, but more so shitty period ahead of dare I say fear and loathing. The public isn't smart enough to realise that you can't ease restrictions, open borders/businesses, without some level of inherent risk this virus will spread. It won't be people's direct fault in the vast majority of cases, but watch the blame game go!
There's too many people coming in contact on a daily basis - regardless of if they're essential workers or not. It's luck of the draw essentially....Sydney has so had a good run whereas Melbourne was dealt a bad hand back in June.
Dx3. I get your frustration re masks in regional areas. I don't have a problem with people slipping up a mask as they pass people on walking tracks or workers not have a mask when they are outside by themselves. The problem comes with the mask off (and general) complacency that we are definitely seeing.
I get the feeling that as more and more people are seen without masks, others will engage in less and less social distancing. We've been hearing about young people having parties all over the place. One super spreader event has such serious consequences.
I will have to disagree with you about the WHO and Vic government saying different things. Mask wearing is cheap, effective, and much less hassle than lockdowns. It's going to be around for a long time. There needs to be fines for people who fragrantly ignore the laws (I'm not talking about beach walking here, I talking about maskless kids having parties).
Stok, the government can only do so much. The Shepparton outbreak is a perfect example of that.
The same dickhead who ignored the rules and spread the virus to Kilmore was plugged for information about his movements and this moron didn't mention he was in Shep on the same trip. Contact tracing doesn't work perfectly with dickheads.
All governments have regularly thanked the general public for mostly doing the right thing. Unfortunately we've had some deeply irresponsible knobs (Vic Libs / Sky News ofter dark) actively spreading disinformation and encourage people to ignore the medical advice. History won't judge those people well.
"History won't judge those people well."
Come on, the anti lockdown/labour propaganda brigade will tell history in a manner which suits them.
People are going to compare Andrews / Ardern / Gladys to Trump / Bolsonaro / Johnson.
Same virus, different outcomes. If the anti-lockdown mob don't fuck it up, Australia will be seen as a poster child of good governance (and good people).
I know who will be judged more harshly when this is said and done.
You are exactly right Stok. Lockdowns, masks everywhere, pretty much all restrictions had their place at a point in time to prevent a US/Europe style blow-up, and the significant vast majority have played their part - don't focus on the small minority that get all the attention doing the wrong thing and that drive the rhetoric that VicLocal and the government like to that we are all to blame for where we find ourselves.
Some restrictions still have a place, but some are hanging around beyond their use-by date. I'll be wearing my mask at public indoor places like shops for some time to come and that doesn't bother me at all. I'll be staying away from crowded public events too, indoor or outdoor just to limit my exposure and keep myself & family safe, with the added bonus of keeping others safe too in those higher risk areas.
I've said before, I really hate and fear the ongoing divide that'll now exist everywhere, particularly this growing divide between metro & regional Vics let alone those interstate. We're a pretty broken society right now, but both metro & regional folk need each other going forward, so best to remember that the vast majority of us have each other's best interests at heart.
"VicLocal and the government like to that we are all to blame for where we find ourselves".
Rubbish. Nobody is saying that we are all to blame. We do all have a responsibility to our fellow citizens though.
"We're a pretty broken society right now," I don't share this bleak view. I reckon the vast majority of victorians / Australians have pulled together really well. We just can't let the conservative anti-science rabble win. Too much is at stake.
The rest of your post makes sense Dx3.
"There needs to be fines for people who fragrantly ignore the laws"
Obviously you meant flagrantly, but that's a pretty apt typo.
Dx3 you make a good point about the need for conscious behaviour to reduce examples that only contribute to the further fracturing of our society. I occasionally check out these comments, and less occasionally comment myself, largely because of the abuse I observe.
Vic Local - I am genuinely curious about your motivation for commenting here. From my perspective, I understand and support several of your principles (e.g, base decisions off objective information such as from medical experts rather than gossip or conspiracy theories) and observe your active contributions here that appear to have a common focus. But I also see you following up your unique perspective with abuse - such as calling Goofy a fuckwit above - and as a result you torch any influence you might have of getting others to see a problem from a different perspective. It seems to me you would have as much influence writing your frustrations on a piece of paper and then burning it.
My point is, I appreciate your perspective but detest your abuse. - which triggers abuse in others.
To Dx3's point and something for all of us to consider, If a group of people with a common interest and love for the natural world can't connect, then what chance has broader society got? To quote Noni Hazlehurst, "None of us are special, but we are all unique". Time we started respecting the right for people to express their unique views even when they differ to ours,
In VL's defence I haven't been a saint when I've engaged him either, but bit of the chicken or the egg type scenario there!!
I think you can question some of the decisions made by our governments, bemoan the lack of common sense we're allowed to use and wonder where all this is heading - without meaning that you are advocating for the virus to rip through society. Just like you can implore people to keep doing their bit to see this through without meaning you are demanding everyone lock themselves inside 22 hours a day - speaking of, does anyone actually adhere to the 2 hour outdoor time limit?? Don't think I've checked my watch once when leaving home.
It's the extreme views on either side that play the part in the divide we are now seeing, and yes that means the Blowin's and the VL's of the world who find themselves at opposite extreme ends.
One for Vic Andrews, shit sorry I mean Local
"speaking of, does anyone actually adhere to the 2 hour outdoor time limit?? Don't think I've checked my watch once when leaving home."
I've been known not to, but there were extenuating circumstances. I would otherwise anyway, but have no real reason to be out that long. There's fuck all to do. I've been pretty fine with most of DA's work thus far, but I'm getting pretty fucken toey, and I don't blame anyone for asking questions. Well, not anyone. Reasonable people. I should also note that my knee has been fucked for the last 3 months, which probably colours my opinion somewhat.
It's gonna be a nightmare if we're still locked down come Grand Final day. People are animals then at the best of times, let alone the average footy fan who's jack of being cooped up for what seems like forever.
Does having two kids under 5 count as extenuating circumstances? Hopefully that excuses me from the many hours spent at the local parks on the weekends that prevents me going insane indoors with young kids...
Dx3. You're alright in my book. We disagree, we call each other names, but you do come to the table with a sense of decency. I haven't seen you make shit up or straw man my arguments so that's cool.
I do have a big problem with people who's opinions are dangerous, disingenuous and built on ignorance. When people spread racism and encourage actions that could see a third wave of Covid 19, they are getting both barrels. (not surfing ones of course). I'm not trying to convince them that they are wrong. I'm simply trying to convince others from swallowing their garbage.
"Does having two kids under 5 count as extenuating circumstances? Hopefully that excuses me from the many hours spent at the local parks on the weekends that prevents me going insane indoors with young kids..."
Absolutely. If I had children I may have taken drastic action by this point.
VL: "I do have a big problem with people who's opinions are dangerous, disingenuous and built on ignorance. When people spread racism . . ."
These are big problems for society at large VL. I like that you are spreading an inclusive message and would like it even more if you can positively influence others to consider a different perspective in these areas . I don't like the "us and them" polarising comments, and the insults even less.
Nolan, with Vic you get the whole sundae- nuts and all.
Good call Nolesie.
Ya got my vote ya fuckin skits cunt.
A bit more news relevant to thread, it seems France has just instituted a very Daniel Andrews-like 9pm to 6am curfew over 9 cities in France, including Paris, Marseille, Toulouse, Lille, and Lyon. These will go for 4 weeks.
22,950 new cases overnight in France, ICU capacity is 32% taken by virus cases. In other Europe, Italy 7332 cases overnight, new record.
Germany had over 5000 new cases and is flagging 11pm curfews in cities/regions that see rapidly increasing infections.
"The Netherlands goes into partial lockdown from 10pm on Wednesday to curb a surge in cases, with all bars, cafes and restaurants to close."
Through the whole article it seems they are adopting from a group of similar measures to Victorians. Thank goodness we are on the tail of the curve of the 2nd wave.
And why wasn't that man's picture on the Surf Coast Council ballot sheet?
A bloody long winter awaits Europe...it’s only October. Reading through those restrictions, can’t help but think they will do next to nothing to stop the 2nd wave of cases. Just hope they can keep the deaths low.
The Aussie borders will be closed for a long time, 2022 at best I’d say for Euro/US trips you’d think
Nolesie's got my vote. Did hear he exhaled once though
International “ tourists “ are to start flying into Australia from today whilst Australians aren’t allowed to leave.
Of course it’s made to appear as though it’s New Zealanders flying in instead of the reality which is anyone who has been in NZ for a 14 day period.
Translation : More migrant labour and international “ students “ flying in from China etc to service the oligarchs whilst Australians are stuck behind Scomo’s Berlin Wall.
Let me out you pants shitting tubby fuck !
We'd still have to go into managed quarantine for 14 days ($3100) when returning to Prison NZ.
Fuck, I hate this time. And there is no plan for how to get out of it, except for the 'Vaccine'.
Crew from NZ don’t have to quarantine in Oz.
blowin demanding his overseas travel.
Question; You know what Australia really doesn't need right now blowin?
Answer: a bunch of blowins travelling around a covid infected world with travel insurance that doesn't cover any covid related incidents.
You can just see these selfish fuckers banging on embassy doors demanding to be at the front of the queue to be repatriated at tax payers expense. There's still 30,000 Aussies stuck overseas, most through no fault of their own, trying to get home, and blowin is demanding overseas travel where return airline tickets are no guarantee of a seat.
blowin, your selfishness knows no bounds.
And yet you can’t wait for Scomo to start feeding you with busloads of Chinese tourists for your hospitality business again you flog,
I’ll do the quarantine on return but I’m not given the opportunity .
And you are ignoring the science-yet again- which unambiguously states that as a healthy person under 50 years of age I’m more susceptible to influenza than your virus you whiny old bitch. COVID has been around in Australia since February- show me the multitudes of healthy sub 50 year olds who’ve had a problem with your plague . There’s fuck all ! You know why there’s fuck all ? Cause it has fuck all effect on 99.9 percent of healthy people.
This is fact you old bullshitting fear monger. You sow panic throughout the population. You’re a dangerous pest .
All I hear over and over is you calling people selfish when it’s you who is placing demands on people. I’m not asking anyone to do anything yet you’re the clown who’s barking the orders .....Dont go out at night ! Stay locked in your home ! Only 2 hours a day outside ! Don’t travel ! Don’t visit loved ones ! Forfeit your life !
Stop your fucking bleating. It’s your selfishness which has millions of people under house arrest with no scientific backing and against the guidance of the WHO.
You are the selfish prick for demanding that I forsake my life so that your yellow belly doesn’t quiver . Stop soaking up government money and get back to work cock knocker.
Another day of VL telling people what they need to do. Fuck it’s getting tiresome
Finally Morrison has accepted that quarantine is a Federal Government responsibility
After this backlog of Australian citizens is sorted I see no reason why Australians wanting to leave the country shouldn't be able to do so but only IF (1) the can can get a flight (2) afford the ticket (3) are able to buy/afford travel insurance and (4) they commit to paying all quarantine costs on returning to the country ..... that's no cheapie trip to indo.
Mmmm, are the long term health effects of Covid remotely know?
That’s all I ask , Guy. At the moment I can leave but it’s for a minimum of three months which I don’t really mind except it could prove hard to overcome if I’ve got to bolt back to Oz due to the health of relatives. I could easily imagine being stuck overseas whilst Scott “ Mr Zero Empathy “ Morrison refuses to let me back in due to emergency.
Strange how Vic Stupid doesn’t want Australians to leave but he’s got no objections to international travellers coming to Australia.
Maybe he’s thinking that the threat of COVID should be shouldered by others who aren’t in the hospitality business .
Strange how Vic Stupid doesn’t want Australians to leave but he’s got no objections to international travellers coming to Australia.
Really blowin? Again? Where exactly did I say that?
The simple fact is, if you left now, it's highly likely you're going to be a burden on the taxpayer and other Aussies trying to get back into the country. But you're beyond selfish so you simply don't care. When things settle down, you'll be able to go. There'a a very good reason why International travel is going to be restricted to travel bubbles. Just chill Karen and stop thinking the world revolves around you.
How is it highly likely I’ll be a burden on the taxpayer ?
My initial post referred to the fact that I wasn’t allowed out whilst foreigners are allowed in yet you ignored the important part of my message and proceeded to aim your usual dogshit selfish accusations at me . Your failure to jump up and down at the idea of internationals arriving during your plague reveals exactly how you feel and the hypocrisy of your stance.
“ Just chill Blowin and endure my selfish impositions on your life “ is what you really meant.
Tell me what it is you’ve given up , Vic Stupid ? You get to go about your life with less crowds in the surf and free government money whilst you expect everyone else to make sacrifices. No wonder you overhype your plague so hard.
I think the world revolves around me ? You’re the selfish old fuck who wants everyone welded into their houses so your irrational fear of the virus let’s you sleep at night.
Fair enough Blowin I'd like to add an additional condition (5) there is no whinging on the nightly news about how bad quarantine conditions are back in AU. All risk with the buyer.
Personally, I don't think there will be available flights at an affordable price or even the possibility of affordable travel insurance, if it even existed, so I'm still thinking international travel like we had preCovid is years away without a vaccine. But the opportunity should exist if people want to take the chance.
Given Morrison's track record I'm very suspicious of this quarantine development, after the overseas AU citizens backlog is taken care of I suspect it will be used to bring foreign workers and students into the country under of the heading of jobs, jobs and more jobs.
Further, when this remote quarantine camp becomes operational I strongly believe all hotel quarantine arrangements around the country should be closed.
Quarantine is solely a Federal Govt responsibility and as defined should be remote.
Guy ....it’s ONLY a ruse to bring in more warm bodies for the Ponzi scheme / wage destruction game.
Note the location of the planned hubs :NZ , Korea , Japan and Singapore. What do they all have in common ? They are the main entry point for Chinese coming to Australia.
No Taiwan despite COVID being basically eradicated there ? I wonder why !
Scomo wants to strike while the iron is hot and flood the labour market whilst employees are already drowning. Then there’s this :
“Multi-billionaire apartment developer, “Highrise” Harry Triguboff, is unhappy about the projected decline in immigration because of the COVID-19 pandemic. He has demanded the federal government open Australia’s international border and reboot mass immigration in order to “drive” apartment sales:
Apartment titan Harry Triguboff is calling on the federal government to allow the return of immigrants, saying foreign buyers are among his biggest purchasers.
The multi-billionaire, who develops about 2000 units a year on the eastern seaboard, says it is difficult to sell apartments without foreign purchasers, even though his apartment prices have dropped by one-fifth since the COVID-19 pandemic…
He said immigration was the main driver of apartment purchases and also stressed that people must return to working in their city and suburban offices.
…Apart from China, Mr Triguboff said he would also like to see immigration from Korea and India.
We truly live in the real estate version of a narco-state.
There’s a global virus pandemic taking place and all this guy can think about is his own $10.4 billion deep pockets. There’s not a shred of thought about the Australian public’s health or welfare, only Highrise Harry’s own narrow self-interest.
Mass immigration led development is the ultimate Ponzi scheme, with property industry parasites like Highrise Harry privatising the gains while the costs are socialised on the existing population via funding the increasing infrastructure needs (water, power, transport, recreation facilities etc), as well as suffering the downsides via increasing congestion. Now Highrise Harry is extraordinarily cavalier about the virus risks as well, which do not seem to register at all.
A return to the broken economic model of the last cycle is precisely NOT what we need. It drove property prices higher marginalising youth. It corrupted our university standards and introduced deeply undemocratic CCP influences on campus. It corrupted our politics and jeopardised ANZUS. It drove down wages as poor foreign students and temporary migrants poured in. It lowered living standards across cities while enriching only a very narrow set of billionaires like highrise Harry.
A Ponzi scheme is no way to apply government policy for the good of the citizenry. What we need instead is to leave those migrants at home where they can develop their own economies and export our expertise to them there. As well as to restore some of our own productive capacity to lower imports and decouple from CCP aggression.
The housing industry should meet the needs of Australians. Not the other way round.“
PS. As for quarantine.....Ive lived out of a tent during Pilbara / Kimberly summers . I don’t think a couple of weeks at the Radisson will kill me.
Bingo it is queerness.
Am I ok ?
I’m 48 , retired , fit and healthy, a patch of dirt near the ocean in a quiet country town with waves on the west coast and a house near the ocean in a quiet country town on the east coast , a 25 acre farm in the hinterland where I built my parents a house , no debt , I’ve still got 90 percent of my hair , I spent yesterday cruising the river catching a haul of tasty whiting and this morning cleaning windows for a grateful old fella , a missus who loves me and I’m looking at flights to Indo *.
I’m sure there’s crew who think my life is shit but I like it.
And you ?
Enjoying being a snide cock 24/7 ?
*Roughly $2800 return via fucking everywhere.
Morrison’s budget locks the country into decades long record immigration rates. Nothing left in the cupboard for anything else, a trillion in debt and no reform to drive productivity into the future. Nothing except selling off our citizenship but maaaate, how good is Australia ?
Guy ....you’ve got to remember that whilst it all looks like a proper shitfight from the perspective of you , me and 99 percent of Australians, by Scotty’s measure he’s done a wonderful job.
Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. You couldn’t ask for much more than he’s achieved could you ? He’s ticked every box. Let no one ever doubt Scott Morrison again .
Only 90％ of your hair and no debt?
How do you go on?
Sounds alright to me.
And yet for all that unprompted & unasked for, over-sharing (I mean really? Who gives a hoot? Am I right? This isn't FB or Instagram!) you don't seem happy, blowin.
All day, every day.
Forget about your faves John Denver and Christina Aguilera, perhaps you need a bit of this to soothe your furrowed skinhorns.
When you're happy, we're all happy. 'Cos even though "we're all Victorians now", it's really all about you, sweetie.
Agreed Blowin his only job was to deliver the tax cuts fuck everything else. Yeah you’re doing it well!
Zen....I’m sure the 90 percent is subject to change. The idea doesn’t stoke me out but what can you do ? Take it on the chin. I’m starting to get sunburned on the top of my head when I surf in Indo and need a hat . No devon patch action yet so that’s a bonus. Just a bit thinner. Touch wood.
Pretty freakin grey though. Too much camp life in proximity to strangers wore my tolerance levels down to a nub.
I saw a fella in the surf the other day - about my age - and he had this weird top knot going on. Very complicated hairstyle. He came up from a wipe out and the top knot had fallen out to reveal the full devon patch surrounded by straggly long hair. It was fully like Bill Murray in King Pin .
Cant do that to myself. When - if - the time comes I’ll get rid of the lot. A few of my mates are shaved and they pull it off alright.
You asked if I was OK . I answered.
I like coming on here. It’s my life I’ll enjoy it as I see fit. I’ll write what I want when I want. If you don’t like it I could not give a single fuck.
You , on the other hand , come across as a sad old loser who needs to constantly run others down to feel good about your own shit life.
You’re on here as least as much as me . The only times I really get anti is when you and your insane clown posse think it’s funny to be a keyboard bitch. And when I say insane I mean clinically insane.
Guy ....Scotty actually had a lot on his plate .
His benefactors required him to :
1/ Maintain constant oversupply in the labour market.
2/ Endure continuous supply of exploitable jimmies ready to be saddled with debt to keep the Ponzi growing.
3/ Rig the game so his mates derive all and any benefit from our society.
4/ Debase the concept of public ownership of assets and utilities.
5/ Serve the Australian people up as human cash cows to be milked dry.
6/ Hide the whole mess behind an impenetrable wall of unaccountable bureaucracy , declawed journalistic investigatory powers and a general shifting of public expectations as to governmental standards.
Who’d have thought he was capable of all that ?
Yet he’s knocked down all the pins without raising a sweat. Fuck....some of his best work was achieved whilst he was on holidays ! Nothing creates public sentiment of low expectations like a Prime Minister watching half his nation burn whilst sipping cocktails in Hawaii. That was a master stroke.
I've made that deal with myself too- when or if I get to that stage I'm going full marine.
So far doing alright and very little grey. My beard betrays that though.