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ron wrote:freeride76 wrote:Feels kinda weird no Aussie manufacturer has picked up on Yamamoto rubber.
Thinking the same. If Need Essentials can get a Y40 suit done a bit cheaper than Isurus, feral etc they will get a huge chunk of the market.
Does Yamato tear easily?
Florence had pre order suits at $250 us
They are looking to expand into the mid tier market.
Interesting to see how they will run.
ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
Haha, the minimum-wage retail-employees worst nightmare.
March last year by surf ads:
"That endorsement, however, comes with one caveat. Rip Curl wetsuits, while stretchy, are notoriously flaky when it comes to durability.
I shall report back in one year to see how it’s holding up."
was there a follow up?
Hey Lanky I jumped on that Florence wettie pre-order a little while ago. Got a 4/3 and 3/2 coming later in the year. Pricing was pretty similar to Needs. Hopefully they’re decent suits.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
You OK @burleigh? Flaming @ringo for clarifying the law is a concerning sign.
Perhaps we have different standards because where I live - in Vic, you need a reliable winter suit or life is miserable and we pay $700 to $800 each time so it's hopefully understandable that we get frustrated when we pick the wrong horse. In 40 years of surfing through our winters, 3yrs life is reasonable expectation after which suits traditionally transition to 'spring/autumn' suits for the last 2-3 years of their life. Failure after 12 months implies product defect to me.
Back in the 90's I'd happily pay $650 for Rip Curl's Ultimate suit because of their after sales service. Life time guarantee on seams and no question asked replacement on worn out panels for a small cost - didn't matter how old the suit was. Every time I needed a new suit, I didn't question who I'd go to.
Stopped buying them 7 or 8 years ago because the frequency of repair became too high and the suits didn't measure up to market warmth, flexibility and duration performance. Since then I've been a rusted on Isurus customer for my winter suits - couldn't recommend them more highly.
I bought a second hand Isurus in 2021, and it's still going in 2025 so deffo going back there.
Bought a Rip Curl zipperless e-bomb last year and it's already running cold.
My last Need Essentials was a terrible suit so I'm inclined to give them one more go and see if it was an aberration.
Otherwise, gunna pay top dollar for Isurus and Yamamoto rubber.
burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
What a bizarre thing to say Burls.
Have an Isurus as well FR. Still good and this is season 4. Reckon by next season it will be the backup suit though. Dries faster than the alleged RC's fastest drying wetsuit. My other main suit was custom fit from 7till8 (all 3mm for the extra cold days) and is a bit better than the Isurus - partly due to custom fit and partly build quality - that top of the line Yamamoto is the bomb in every respect. It was $900 - so only $100 more than the RC top of line full price - but cost average when longevity comes into play then RC is not in the game (although I got my RC from surfection Mosman about half price - so for $400 it is what I would call fair value at that price but not when its full price).
Yeah, I paid half price for my e-bomb.
Would have been gutted if I paid full price.
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:ringostarr wrote:Manufacturer warranites are a bit of a furphy. Don't let them throw you off your rights under the Australian Consuemr Law. Many (most?) companies that offer a separate warranty do so (a) as a marketing mechanism to increase sales (eg I recently bought a fridge where one of my key decisions was that the particular fridge came with a 10 year warranty on the compressor which was important for me as that is what had failed on my old fridge), (b) to trick consumers into thinking that their rights expire when the warranty expires, or (c) to actually upsell to gullible consumers who are willing to pay extra for a longer warranty ((c) often goes hand in hand with (b)) .
Under the Australian Consumer Law, all consumers of domestic goods purchased in Australia are protected by statutory warranties or (a.k.a consumer guarantees). These apply regardless of whatever manaufacturer's warranty is provided "on top" of the consumer guarantee.
The consumer guarantees include:
-goods will be of acceptable quality
-goods will be fit for a particular purpose
-the manufacturer will provide repairs or spare parts for a reasonable timehttps://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/publications/a-guide-to-consumer-guaran...
It is illegal for manufacturers or retailers to not honour the consumer guarantees.
How long do the consumer guarantees last and what do they cover? It depends on what you are buying and what is the reasonable expectation for the quality and life of that product. If you buy a $600 wetsuit, use it a couple of times a week for a year and look after it, you probably have a reasonable expectation it will not fall apart after 13 months. Don't let manufacturers or retailers hide behind their warranties. In my experience if what you bought has deteriorated well before it would reasonably be expected to, even though outside the warranty period stated on the label, if you push the issue and mention that you know your rights under the Australian Consumer Law, you will get looked after.
You sound like an absolute knob. Imagine the poor kid on minimum wage having to deal with this when you return a 13 month old used wetsuit.
What a bizarre thing to say Burls.
Of course, you would be one of those annoying boomers demanding to speak to the manager about your piss stained 13 month old wetsuit.
If there’s a fundamental problem with it that’s unreasonable then why not.
Cause you might hurt the fee fees of the person behind the counter?
And here I was thinking you were the last of the rugged individualists.
AndyM wrote:If there’s a fundamental problem with it that’s unreasonable then why not.
Cause you might hurt the fee fees of the person behind the counter?
And here I was thinking you were the last of the rugged individualists.
You're wearing a wetsuit for over 1 year with salt, sun, urine, sand, & reefs. How can any business have time for someone that brings one back out of warranty demanding it be resolved.
Anyone that does that is a fucking sook and not someone i would want to be around.
freeride76 wrote:My last Need Essentials was a terrible suit so I'm inclined to give them one more go and see if it was an aberration.
My Need Essentials frayed threads and split seems pretty quickly. Possibly a random fault they would have happily replaced but I'm too lazy to bother and I won't get another.
At the Start Needs Suits had No Warranty- Now they Do.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:If there’s a fundamental problem with it that’s unreasonable then why not.
Cause you might hurt the fee fees of the person behind the counter?
And here I was thinking you were the last of the rugged individualists.You're wearing a wetsuit for over 1 year with salt, sun, urine, sand, & reefs. How can any business have time for someone that brings one back out of warranty demanding it be resolved.
Anyone that does that is a fucking sook and not someone i would want to be around.
See Ringostarr's post above.
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:If there’s a fundamental problem with it that’s unreasonable then why not.
Cause you might hurt the fee fees of the person behind the counter?
And here I was thinking you were the last of the rugged individualists.You're wearing a wetsuit for over 1 year with salt, sun, urine, sand, & reefs. How can any business have time for someone that brings one back out of warranty demanding it be resolved.
Anyone that does that is a fucking sook and not someone i would want to be around.
See Ringostarr's post above.
Yes and read my post again. Items you can piss in should be void of all warranty.
Burleigh, the consumer law is there to protect consumers who have paid hard earned dollars for a product and the product does not deliver on its promise. The manufacturer's warranty with its arbitrary expiry period is irrelevant. I don't piss in my suits so I don't know if that causes the material or seams to degrade or not. And you can call me a knob, but to clarify, when I was talking about my experience I was actually referring to my experience working for manufacturers and retailers, not as a serial pest for poor kids behind the counter on minimum wage. Having said that, if there's anyone on here who I would want to labelled a knob by, it would be you first, daylight second.
ringostarr wrote:Burleigh, the consumer law is there to protect consumers who have paid hard earned dollars for a product and the product does not deliver on its promise. The manufacturer's warranty with its arbitrary expiry period is irrelevant. I don't piss in my suits so I don't know if that causes the material or seams to degrade or not. And you can call me a knob, but to clarify, when I was talking about my experience I was actually referring to my experience working for manufacturers and retailers, not as a serial pest for poor kids behind the counter on minimum wage. Having said that, if there's anyone on here who I would want to labelled a knob by, it would be you first, daylight second.
I’m well across consumer law Drongo, and while you’re technically right on the legal side, you’re still a knob if you march a 13-month-old wetsuit back into a shop quoting legislation at some poor kid behind the counter.
Who said they were poor or a kid?
…burlz you’re getting owned here
- using pathetic hypotheticals with accusatory tones and using it for impetus to then assume others are supposedly gonna be a ‘fucking sook’ etc etc, geez …sounds like you’re the fucking sook haha
Certainly no warranty on your undies, you’re a fair man made virus ;);)
(good for a laugh tho)
Wait, does the Burleigh clause on urination cover plumbing supplies? If you have a toilet installed and it is faulty, is the warranty voided under precedence?
this has been a hilarious thread. I’m pissing myself. It’s OK, I’m not going to ask Stu for my money back.
You'd definitely be a sook to do something about a faulty toilet - you're not someone i would want to be around.
So its that time of the year again where the mornings are getting fresher and the offshores are starting to show. It looks like its been a couple of years since there was a discussion about it so I am looking for wetsuit recommendations.....
Whats everyone wearing/buying or not wearing/buying and why?