All Things Religion Thread
AlfredWallace wrote:Optimist wrote:Year of our Lord Jesus 2023…. Happy New Year !
It takes someone pretty special for everyone to calculate time by.
A pause in history by a carpenter from Nazareth…born in a Bethlehem barn.
If Jesus is who He says He was, and the acts of healing and bringing the dead back to life real, combined with a message that God loves us and wants to reconcile His children to Himself….then, a life for life substitution on the cross enacted….perhaps this is something worth looking into…to read what He taught in the New Testament…to see if there is a plan for us we can understand ….to hear the accounts of some crusty young fisherman….many of us have grasped Gods vision for humanity…..stupid and faulty as we are….and isn’t that a wonderful thing….because if it were only up to perfect people heaven would be empty….
Again …happy new year.Optimist. Happy NY. Well it’s the first day of the new year. I don’t know about you, but calling a carpenter around to yours on New Years Day, especially one thats travelling all that way from Nazareth is going to cost you a bomb, i mean with (EBA’s -Enterprise Bargaining Agreement) these days and the applicable rates applied, you are gonna be up for a minimum of at least, travel expenses, ‘double bubble’ or triple rates by the close of day. You must be loaded with cash (i forgot, thats right, you pass a plate around in your house of worship that frail and low socio-economic people who in most cases cant afford to do, but feel totally obligated by the perceived pressure ) and this non-taxed revenue just finds its way to all manner of society, like your fees to tabloids to suppress forms of criticism to the church and legal fees for employees under question for misdemeanours to minors etc.
How can you guys celebrate a Happy New Year ? Such hippocrates.
alfred i read somewhere that the word hippocrate was used in the middle ages to describe some one of a religion who did not practice what they preached, only used in a religous context.
lots of rc's live by the 10 commandments or try to and paedo is abhorrant to them.
Happy New Year folks.
Time to get religious and introduce you all to the 'Obby 'Oss. I have a commemorative coffee mug of the 'Oss and recently stared at the outrageous beast and wondered 'wtf is that?':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Obby_'Oss_festival
-cut and paste that one-
It seems that on one day of the year the whole town stops and two town members dress up as the Old 'Obby 'Oss and the Blue Ribbon 'Oss, then they parade around the town accompanied by music and attempt to grab the local young maidens and steal them under their costume as they go. They meet up, songs are sung, and the ceremony concludes at the May Pole. Fertility and all that, but it may be similar to the Union of Opposites I've learned about - this is from a much older European spirituality, before Christianity. Online picture searches reveal some beautiful art, and lead toward things like the green man, which I don't know much about.
It seems to be a thing of the West Country and indeed throughout Europe, eg the Tarasque in France. Weird af, but I bet being part of the day is a blast.
Gold ;)
A Sunday sermon for floptimist ;)
- after all, it takes someone pretty special to be courageous and open enough to share facts with actual accuracy and logic.
I wonder if ‘the chosen’ could also refer to the the victims of the church…
It’s quite a list - in a historical context there may not have been nor will there be another institution guilty of such industrial scale genocide, rape and thievery…
Perhaps something worth looking into ;)
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Jelly Flater wrote:A Sunday sermon for floptimist ;)
- after all, it takes someone pretty special to be courageous and open enough to share facts with actual accuracy and logi
I wonder if ‘the chosen’ could also refer to the the victims of the church…It’s quite a list - in a historical context there may not have been nor will there be another institution guilty of such industrial scale genocide, rape and thievery…
Perhaps something worth looking into ;)
Jelly Flater. Very, very good upload their mate. Where and how did you find that ? AW.
Jelly Flater wrote:A Sunday sermon for floptimist ;)
- after all, it takes someone pretty special to be courageous and open enough to share facts with actual accuracy and logic.
I wonder if ‘the chosen’ could also refer to the the victims of the church…
It’s quite a list - in a historical context there may not have been nor will there be another institution guilty of such industrial scale genocide, rape and thievery…
Perhaps something worth looking into ;)
Christopher Hitchens on point there.
Well AW, I’d love to make up a wonderful story about how god gifted me the appearance of saint christopher ;)
However… the truth is a mate of mine that teaches religious studies is tying this vid (and others) into some stuff for his students when school returns.
He sent it thru - good to see that actual knowledge is still available so the kids and young adults of today can be properly informed and choose to make up their own minds bout atleast some things ;)
And yes andy-mac.
Hard to ignore ;)
What’s that saying ?….
‘The truth hurts’ … ;);)
Jelly Flater wrote:A Sunday sermon for floptimist ;)
- after all, it takes someone pretty special to be courageous and open enough to share facts with actual accuracy and logic.
I wonder if ‘the chosen’ could also refer to the the victims of the church…
It’s quite a list - in a historical context there may not have been nor will there be another institution guilty of such industrial scale genocide, rape and thievery…
Perhaps something worth looking into ;)
Lands a punch or two, does Mr Hitchens. I’m not a huge fan of his, but not because he’s wrong in any sense.
Could add in there for things to apologise for; harbouring paedophiles, protecting them from the law of the land, shifting them around from parish to parish to spread their vile disorder, not giving a shit about it, making up legal arguments why ‘The Church’ isn’t a legal body and why it doesn’t have to pay recompense for the evil they have spread.
I’ve generally avoided commentary on George Pell. There aren’t many people who will got to hell and stink the place up, but if it exists then he is surely there, and just as surely everyone else is complaining about the foul stench that came with him.
So much to apologise for.
Jelly Flater wrote:A Sunday sermon for floptimist ;)
- after all, it takes someone pretty special to be courageous and open enough to share facts with actual accuracy and logic.
I wonder if ‘the chosen’ could also refer to the the victims of the church…
It’s quite a list - in a historical context there may not have been nor will there be another institution guilty of such industrial scale genocide, rape and thievery…
Perhaps something worth looking into ;)
AMEN
The Catholic Church is not the Christian church….it’s something altogether different….a mix of pagan ritual and Christian belief….a powerful beast and the great whore in scripture…if you knew your history you would know they have persecuted Christian’s who won’t bow down to their pope and his disgusting institution.
Optimist what do you consider to be the Christian church? Eastern Christianity and the Orthodox church etc?
GSCO Watch “the chosen” season 1, 2 and 3 ( once you start there’s no stop) by Angel studios…it’s free then ask me…it’s very good and just like reading the text….and I’ll answer any question you want….PS I’m just a useless human like everyone else full of faults and battling my way through a fallen world…. God Bless ya.
So Opti, while gorgeous George did his thing was the big fella in sky a bit too busy or distracted to intervene?
https://theaimn.com/george-pell-devil-incarnate-is-dead/
Surely what you term a "disgusting institution" sullying his good message and causing harm in his name would be enough to stir him up for a bit of very active intervention on earth to set things right?
Is the apparent overwhelming trait of passivity in the face of evil and sorrow so great and good - worth worshipping?
If you ever want to see how relevant religion is in today's modern world have a read of "My War Gone By, I Miss It So" by Anthony Loyd. Throw some Orthodox Christian Serbs, Muslim Bosniaks and Catholic Croats into the mix and see how that turned out for the local flocks of religious congregations. Religion is ignorance and intolerance at it's finest.
Thank god for the real George ;)
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Matthew 5 verses 43-48….why else would I put up with some of you guys…sheesh.
Opt out.
Optimist wrote:Matthew 5 verses 43-48….why else would I put up with some of you guys…sheesh.
Opt out.
If they got the first testament wrong where did they get the second one from?
Jelly Flater wrote:Thank god for the real George ;)
Well, you cant argue with George on that one !!
Haha flopti ;);)
Yes. Pray for those who apparently persecute you ;)
The victim mindset is still strong…
Does that mean you pray for the catholic church which you accused of persecuting christians ;);)
Not sure the flopti wishes to understand the principles of hypocrisy - or is maybe just too far gone into the fantasy realm.
Your words : ‘I’m just a useless human like everyone else full of faults and battling my way through a fallen world’
Just because you perceive yourself this way does not mean it is that way for everyone else! And your ‘fallen world’ is of your own creation ;)
If you are ‘useless’, then of course you require the intervention of an imaginary power to save you ;)
Yes, everyone has faults. Only true word spoken there…
- When you wish to ‘opt out’, maybe consider doing so in regard to attempting to force your own individual religious convictions onto others as though they are fact. You want to dish out advice that’s not even your own yet not consider anything coming back at you ;)
The personal flopti scenario projected is not reality, just a mirror of your own sad soul, and an invention of a depressed mindset ;)
Perhaps look into the truth of how you may have the capacity to still change that - and of your own accord!
Don’t pretend this is a fallen world either - after all, you reckon it’s god’s creation ;);)
Might be time to try live up to the title of ‘optimist’… pandering to delusions and self deceptive tendencies may only land u in the same place pell resides.
Cheer up buttercup ;)
Scale up your mind….it’s easy to be trapped in the here and now. The pressures of the modern age tend to keep the mind tightly held in a box. It’s no one’s fault but it’s there anyway. The trick is to look up and out of the matrix and see the vast and bigger picture. We have a creator and His son and a garden planted long ago. Inhabitants planted too, many of whom have base little minds bound on war with each other and their environment instead of enjoying the natural world given to us. Technology to make life better seems to be making life harder..Unfortunately, this is the side effect of free will. You can only plant and see what grows. Weeds come up too….poor choices by free thinkers have poor results.
It’s why Gods intervention was so important…the Son who was with the Father in the beginning sharing the same Ghost or spirit came to visit. Born of a woman, born under the law shows us the way to live and love….Life is a lot like going to the gym…we have to have a vision of where we want to be, then ask the trainer to intervene…then the sweat comes and the flab starts to turn to muscle…but without the trainer to watch over you it’s easy to drift….this applies with God as well…He needs to be invited into your life and He will come….you will see things more clearly and the world will become much more simple and orderly for you…materialism will become irrelevant and ungodly passions boring…the simple things , the low tech things the family and friends things the natural things all more enjoyable as the plastic fades away. Everything you need in life (not what you want) will be supplied for you if you trust God…..when a kid asks dad for chocolate dad says yes son ..have some chocolate…the son asks again and dad says yes son have some more chocolate…..the son asked again and dad says no son ..I love you but too much chocolate is bad for you….Dad knows best because He can see a broader picture……Jesus loves us very much and knows what we need and when we need it but this needs to be a harmonious relationship….with Him as our trainer and advocate and God as our father we can only improve and slowly turn that flab into spiritual muscle.
Optimist wrote:Scale up your mind….it’s easy to be trapped in the here and now. The pressures of the modern age tend to keep the mind tightly held in a box. It’s no one’s fault but it’s there anyway. The trick is to look up and out of the matrix and see the vast and bigger picture. We have a creator and His son and a garden planted long ago. Inhabitants planted too, many of whom have base little minds bound on war with each other and their environment instead of enjoying the natural world given to us. Technology to make life better seems to be making life harder..Unfortunately, this is the side effect of free will. You can only plant and see what grows. Weeds come up too….poor choices by free thinkers have poor results.
It’s why Gods intervention was so important…the Son who was with the Father in the beginning sharing the same Ghost or spirit came to visit. Born of a woman, born under the law shows us the way to live and love….Life is a lot like going to the gym…we have to have a vision of where we want to be, then ask the trainer to intervene…then the sweat comes and the flab starts to turn to muscle…but without the trainer to watch over you it’s easy to drift….this applies with God as well…He needs to be invited into your life and He will come….you will see things more clearly and the world will become much more simple and orderly for you…materialism will become irrelevant and ungodly passions boring…the simple things , the low tech things the family and friends things the natural things all more enjoyable as the plastic fades away. Everything you need in life (not what you want) will be supplied for you if you trust God…..when a kid asks dad for chocolate dad says yes son ..have some chocolate…the son asks again and dad says yes son have some more chocolate…..the son asked again and dad says no son ..I love you but too much chocolate is bad for you….Dad knows best because He can see a broader picture……Jesus loves us very much and knows what we need and when we need it but this needs to be a harmonious relationship….with Him as our trainer and advocate and God as our father we can only improve and slowly turn that flab into spiritual muscle.
Optimist. Morning. Pretty good writing on your behalf. I’d remove the words God and Jesus and all of that could make a bit of sense. Enjoy your day AW.
Plagiarism is a sin.
“ Scale up your mind….it’s easy to be trapped in the here and now. The pressures of the modern age tend to keep the mind tightly held in a box….”
Couldn’t agree more Optimist; now tell us all again about your previously often repeated view that Brittany Higgins’ motivation on making public her alleged rape in Parliament House needed to be seriously questioned.
You give genuine humble spiritual people a bad rap you lowlife hypocrite
Stuart Lickspittler wrote:Plagiarism is a sin.
But ChatGPT makes life easier.
Will need to be a big shakeup in school and uni assessment methods, particularly online uni degrees.
One could nearly do a whole uni degree, even a masters, with ChatGP now and not actually learn anything, and it’s only getting smarter.
gsco wrote:Will need to be a big shakeup in school and uni assessment methods, particularly online uni degrees.
One could nearly do a whole uni degree, even a masters, with ChatGP now and not actually learn anything, and it’s only getting smarter.
Easy to buy a paper on your given topic too. I don't think it (ai) is a bad thing, just means, as you say, a different approach to assessment. Which is a good thing.
Jeez Louise, even more dumb as dogshit economics/finance students. Right wing apocalypse comin' RIGHT up.
Elon beam me up, pretty please.
Happy surfing swellnutters. I been giving chatgpt a solid testing. So far davetherave way out ahead. It is honest though and tells me about it's limitations.
Just like our beliefs. Are they really ours or are they fabrications? Yes, we made them up or we gave it meaning.
But none the less, they are just perceptions.
Please don't take them too seriously and I invite you to change your perceptions as you evolve, which we all are.
Rather than seeing all this diversity as something to judge, just see it all as an expression, life expressing itself.
Ex, there is an optimistic perspective that believes in a thing called god that has a son called Jesus Christ who is a stuff of legend, is not good, bad, ugly or even ridiculous, it's just an expression of life, nothing more, nothing less.
If you practice this perspective you begin to see life as a wonderful continual expression, not as some fucked up human viral polluting mislead mess. Ha ha
It's only life, it and you are eternal, so have some fun for god's sake. Eddie would go!
Stuart Lickspittler wrote:Jeez Louise, even more dumb as dogshit economics/finance students. Right wing apocalypse comin' RIGHT up.
Elon beam me up, pretty please.
On fire today facto, big night last night?
Time to ‘scale up your mind’ ;);)
Thanks for the advice and all flopti…
Remember this gem of yours from back on page 9 of this thread ;);)
“There are actually 3 heavens in translation, the sky above is the first, space is the second and planet Heaven the third. ( paul talked about the third heaven) You get to planet heaven after your spirit leaves your body. When you die your spirit descends into the heart of the earth and waits. Then if approved by God you are lifted up and go through the tunnel which is probably like a wormhole in Sci Fi. If unapproved you will wait for judgement but there is no time there so you wouldn't know if you've been there a year or a hundred years. At the end of the tunnel you will be greeted by The Christ Himself in His glorified form and put on planet Heaven, a very beautiful and physical place and in your brand new physical body. Earth will also be renewed after the great tribulation so for a time there will still be two seperate habitations and eventually just one.
It is comforting to know that on my death, my heavenly father will still look after me and guide my spirit or "actual person" through the maze of death and to the renewed and promised life.“
… sounds like the ramblings of ‘a mind tightly held in a box’.
- and this is the result of ‘seeing things more clearly’ and a representation of ‘spiritual muscle’ ?
Spare us please - what a pile of fantastical stinking bullshit ;);)
Flopti proudly states :
‘…it’s easy to be trapped in the here and now.’
And :
‘…poor choices by free thinkers have poor results’
Now ?
There is no being ‘trapped in the here and now’. Wtf is that ? The here and now IS the here and now ;);)
Here and now is reality. And here and now is changing and evolving and growing - here AND now ;);)
If you are ‘trapped’ or perceive the here and now as a trap then that is you…
Get it. That is YOU trapped. Not anybody else.
- And if that is the case for you, and hence your message is that ‘it’s easy to be trapped in the here and now’, well, sorry but that is an indication of your inability to accept or understand reality.
So… keep on keeping on wif your Sunday sermons. Nice try and all ;)
But - just a reminder for you of another pearl of wisdom from earlier in this thread.
These are your words :
“ I'll give you some keys to help unlock things yourselves....This requires some Revelation research and deep thought.
Try and picture the disciple John on a prison Island trying to figure out what Jesus was showing him in the future 2000 years ago with no knowledge of our modern world.
A rough outline but some food for thought.
The first beast is a man empowered by Satan ( from the abyss)
The second empowered by the Vatican . The Vatican (Vaticaanus) means Divining Serpent (from the earth)
The symbols of Satan are the Dragon and the Serpent.
The image of the beast is probably a Quantum computer with A.I. think Skynet. It is given life and also speaks ...A.I. again. and Siri on steroids.
The worlds finance system will be controlled by a global bank using this quantum computer system...a quantum is 100,000,000 times faster than our best now. Just add A.I and you have a real treasure. Google and China already have them.
They are building two giant computers now , one in Brussels for the EU and one in America.
The most corrupt bank on earth is the Deutsche Bank, the biggest bank in Germany and one of in the world with assets of 3 Trillion dollars and is the one that financed the Nazis and sold all the stolen gold from the Jews to finance Hitler. They launder criminal money to this day. Their main share holder is now China (the dragon again) and everyone owes them money.
The swift code for the Deutsche Bank is ...you guessed it 666
Rome and the Vatican sit on 7 hills or mountains
2 of the last 4 popes were Hitler youth.
China the dragon will work with the serpent to bring about a cashless society with a central core and one leader the new anti christ.
The beast will require everyone to be implanted with an RF chip in their right hand or a detailed facial scan"fore head" or they will not be able to trade...Do not get this!
With no cash we will enter into a new age of slavery and the mind programming has already started with the banks and Dept stores selling fear under the covid banner.
The ten kings who give their power to the beast are the new world order which has already been decided by the Club of Rome years ago.
The Club of Rome is a global think tank that has decided to divide the world into 10 financial sectors with 10 leaders (the 10 kings) One of their members is Henry Kissinger who help start the EFTPOS system.“
- this is your version of ‘deep thought’ ;)
Sounds more like poor choices from your own free thinking… and certainly producing poor results !
Straight up lies and hypocrisy.
Great story tho ;)
Jelly I’m honoured that you reading my old posts and as far as your limited mind in your little box can understand, there is a big universe out there and an even bigger creator. I have personally met two people who have died ,descended, travelled the tunnel, met the glorified Christ at the other end , saw heaven and were asked if they wanted to go back and finish something unfinished. One was Ian McCormack who was killed by 5 box Jelly’s….jelly, ..his original testimony is available on you tube…terrific bloke…for a kiwi..ha….the other a Pastor named Archie from Melbourne who died in a car crash and pronounced dead at the scene…He created quite a scene with the ambos and firies when he stood up again and blood started squirting out his holes…another incredible guy whom I had over for dinner one night. His guitar playing and song worship that evening had something not of this world in it…But if you feel safe and unthreatened in your little world you stay right there Jelly ..good for you…..and guy, I’m glad Brittany got her undisclosed multi million dollar payout from the Labor party…good on her.
Hahahaha… oh, the honour is mine ;)
Nice try, again ;)
Notice a common theme ?
You’re always talking about other people’s supposed experiences to try validate your theories…
Just coz you met someone or know someone or had dinner with someone blah blah doesn’t mean shit.
You are relying always on exterior events to back up your wild and imaginary beliefs.
They are beliefs. Continue to enjoy them and occupy your peanut brain with them all you like ;)
When you have your own authentic experience of life (or near death) please relay the significance and provide all the detail you want.
‘His guitar playing and song worship that evening had something not of this world in it’
- notice also the emphasis of things not being of this world.
How sad you are always searching and seeking and being obsessed with things that have ‘something not of this world in it’.
Funny though. Pretty sure you and I and anybody else of this world actually reside right here - in this world.
Thanks, though, for more entertaining story telling stuff and fairytale inspired events. Pity none of these tall tales are actually yours !
Flopti… the Great Pretender ;)
Further evidence that you’re a nasty piece of work there opti no compassion just a cheap barb
Optimist wrote:Jelly I’m honoured that you reading my old posts and as far as your limited mind in your little box can understand, there is a big universe out there and an even bigger creator. I have personally met two people who have died ,descended, travelled the tunnel, met the glorified Christ at the other end , saw heaven and were asked if they wanted to go back and finish something unfinished. One was Ian McCormack who was killed by 5 box Jelly’s….jelly, ..his original testimony is available on you tube…terrific bloke…for a kiwi..ha….the other a Pastor named Archie from Melbourne who died in a car crash and pronounced dead at the scene…He created quite a scene with the ambos and firies when he stood up again and blood started squirting out his holes…another incredible guy whom I had over for dinner one night. His guitar playing and song worship that evening had something not of this world in it…But if you feel safe and unthreatened in your little world you stay right there Jelly ..good for you…..and guy, I’m glad Brittany got her undisclosed multi million dollar payout from the Labor party…good on her.
I Also saw this when lord Voldemort killed Harry Potter. Amazingly Harry Potter returned from the dead too.
Ah, so attached to our perspective we choose to be nasty. Easy to listen to your ego or your conscious mind, your identity. Thank it, bless it, but then choose that macro part of yourself. Try it. If you practice this you will send loving kindness instead of reactive defensive attacks. You will still be yourself, but the version of yourself that knows it's connection to The All. Knowing instead of believing becomes the operating system, and man, it fucking rocks. It's a very joyful experience. Sign up today, all you need to do is say yes, I agree to be the real me, not the avatar me.
Optimist wrote:Jelly I’m honoured that you reading my old posts and as far as your limited mind in your little box can understand, there is a big universe out there and an even bigger creator. I have personally met two people who have died ,descended, travelled the tunnel, met the glorified Christ at the other end , saw heaven and were asked if they wanted to go back and finish something unfinished. One was Ian McCormack who was killed by 5 box Jelly’s….jelly, ..his original testimony is available on you tube…terrific bloke…for a kiwi..ha….the other a Pastor named Archie from Melbourne who died in a car crash and pronounced dead at the scene…He created quite a scene with the ambos and firies when he stood up again and blood started squirting out his holes…another incredible guy whom I had over for dinner one night. His guitar playing and song worship that evening had something not of this world in it…But if you feel safe and unthreatened in your little world you stay right there Jelly ..good for you…..and guy, I’m glad Brittany got her undisclosed multi million dollar payout from the Labor party…good on her.
Optimist. See, early this morning i gave you a little wrap, a little one at that, but now you’ve regressed and gone back to your silly ways and all that mythical shit. You believe in GOD, so thats your belief, i believe in NO GOoD, its way better fun, all the drinks, the parties, drugs and wild times in my church, The Church of the Open Sky a place where all of evolutions beauty lies not it some novel that was invented some 6500 years ago, so you and your mob all say. Keep on keeping on. AW.
Hi Dave. I enjoyed those last 2 posts of yours. Speaks, broadly, to how i try to go. I fail alot at it. Particularly in spaces like this one where anonymity creates triggers for all. I notice that you've gotten no run with those thoughts. No replies. I have found, and i believe you have too, that most don't wanna hear it. Especially in a space like this, where we come and go lead by ego. That is the point of a space like this, content/context aside. Yew. Go well, Dave.
We heard it, we were nodding our heads silently. Perhaps there is nothing more to be said.
People of the world. Relax.
A quote from a literary parrot!
davetherave wrote:Ah, so attached to our perspective we choose to be nasty. Easy to listen to your ego or your conscious mind, your identity. Thank it, bless it, but then choose that macro part of yourself. Try it. If you practice this you will send loving kindness instead of reactive defensive attacks. You will still be yourself, but the version of yourself that knows it's connection to The All. Knowing instead of believing becomes the operating system, and man, it fucking rocks. It's a very joyful experience. Sign up today, all you need to do is say yes, I agree to be the real me, not the avatar me.
Do not usually want to comment on this forum, but great post...
Seeing as we are digging up old posts.....
I find Optimist"s previously stated positions pretty extreme; a mixture of unquestioning faith based (zealot like) thought and far right political ideology. The sort of blind thinking that Australia rejected at the last election. His bottom line is all other religions, faiths, spiritual practices and indigenous culture e.g. Aboriginal dreaming are secondary to his "one true god". And yet he gets on here inviting us to liberate our minds or to watch some faith affirming DVDs called the chosen. Incidentally, what all knowing and loving god "test" his children and "choose" or unchoose" one over the other; yes we all have our favourite kids but we are supposedly talking about eternal misery here!. But what he really is talking about is his brand of all singing all dancing waving your hands in the air "americanised" christian religion that preaches the prosperity gospel, believe and you will be (materially) rewarded, believe harder even more rewards and here us mere mortals were thinking our spiritual beliefs such as they are were something all together different.
Opti is very skilled at not answering difficult questions.
Here is another one. A religious person I know has a strange debilitating illness that has lasted over 6 years. His life is tough. Lots of pain. Affects his whole family. He prays for help, his wife prays for him, his whole church prays for him.
Thousands of prayers unanswered. If the big fella is all powerful that is just cruel to ignore the prayers..
Judge by the fruit on the tree.
No fruit that I can see.
Why would all those prayers not work?
It’s just his way of testing our faith frog.
Don’t you know anything? :)
It’s just like all those children who have died horrible deaths at an early age and at the same time murderers paedophiles and crooks died peacefully in their bed at a ripe old age.
It’s just his way of testing our faith.
I like the part where humans are the only mammals that go to heaven. Must be something to do with our superior brain........... hmmmmmmm
Where did you get that from Burleigh…the book of Ecclesiastes says “who can tell?”.. regarding healing, there is always a reason…it’s usually a faith issue or unforgiveness. You aren’t allowed to hate anyone, even those who have wronged you. It stops the healing process. At the end of the day if your numbers up it’s up. My best friend died young and when he did his entire family sparked up and honoured what he taught them by joining a great little church and helping many..they are now powering and very happy…he would have been stoked and I’m sure he knows…I was upset and had why God questions as he was my Christian brother and surf buddy and I loved him …we were a lot alike..we frothed on our boards cars boats isolated spots etc building stuff ....And also…no one gets away with evil and the little ones who have been mistreated by evil people have a better place to go. They will remember none of it in Gods kingdom , in Gods love and in their new body.
Here you go optimist
Not sure my motivation...my instinctive need to stick up for the underdog...my secret desire to be one day honoured rightfully with the role of Forum moderator (expecting a call any day)...
But anyway I couldn't help but read your troubles on another thread...unfortunately I found myself siding with everyone's posts...other than your own...except for the part where you were told you can't post here!
So I put my low IQ mind to coming up with a solution that suits all...and here it is...a safe place if you like
You can post anything you like about your beliefs...and no one has to read it unless they want! Easy peasy...
maybe you could even get Jesus, fat Buddha, Mohammed, and friends to converse in adult conversation here
Solving the world problems, one at a time...call it taking a shovel as a way of moving that mountain
All the best...brother
PS...I actually was born again once, but I grew up, and grew a brain of my own...and realised it was all a load of shit!