COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:36pm

I think you’d have to agree that various voices that have challenged the official strategy have been suppressed or censored in one form or another.
Malone and McCulloch are very careful to virtually exclusively only cite peer reviewed literature or independently verifiable sources but certainly have been censored.
McCulloch apparently had a peer reviewed paper fully edited, typeset, terms and conditions met withdrawn by the journal at the last minute because of something to do with not having journalistic approval.
Norman Fenton has said he was rejected for publication (I think he said for the first time in his life) regarding a paper on all cause mortality.
Eli Schwartz (300 peer reviewed publications) had a paper rejected by The Lancet in a matter of hours apparently without even review.

Doctors and nurses in Australia and UK face disciplinary action for spreading “misinformation” even though it is poorly defined.

Doctors face fines for prescribing Ivermectin, even though many parts of the world are using it to treat Covid.

And thats only a few examples off the top of my head.
I’m pro-vax so it doesn’t really affect me but I also find it quite disturbing that these things have happened

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Stok Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:36pm

What was the question Burlsy?

TBH I don't know much more about Dr Greger other than the site he runs, which I've been to about 5 or 6 times. I changed my diet more for the ethical reasons associated, but I did find some of the info on the site quite fascinating.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:48pm

VIP Travel Rorts

Review 323 Nations / Territories
51 (15.8%) Nations ban (any/all) Vax (&/or) No vax!
45 (13.9%) Ban Unvaxed (6 of these exempt past infections!)
227 (70.3%) Welcome Unvaxed (3 of these upgrade Past Infection to VIP iso' skip status)

Trendy VIP Bullies got muscled out by all time Pro Bullies...(Beaten at own game...that's gotta hurt!)
(Closed Nations) Geo Political Communist Hot Spots or protected strategic strongholds > Micronesia.

Ever increasing Unvaxed Rainbow Alliance welcomed a huge swathe of Evil VIP outcasts this week...
UK / Germany / Italy / Greece / Portugal / Belgium / Netherlands crossed over from the Dark Side.
Think Boris has gotta go now...that's the price ya gotta pay!

Darkside rejects contribute 1m / 3.66m [+] daily cases...will now invite Unvaxed to mop up their mess!
Mass Vax infections are 10-20% above WR omicron > Unvaxed Mop up rate 10%-20% (Free fix it!)
No brainer...these nations choose to advance the healthiest quickest free long term proven cure!

The Darkside Bullies. (These hyper infectious Nations ban unvaxed cure for Hot mess Drug addiction)
Deathstar is an armada of world's deadliest Vax Producing Nations + their offshore bases & Tax Havens
Just takes a week for 5 of these WR Covid spreading Bullies to ramp over 50% of worldwide Covid.
Top 5 Vax Only Bullies infect 1.9m / 3.66m day...Yes! They are that deadly!

These are Covid Monsters in every sense of the word...
Listen & fear their own Expert Mass Vax Promos.
CDC : Keep away from WR Bullies > 55% are Level 4 (Pure Evil) + 27% Level 3 (High risk)
Worldometer : 40/45 are currently surfing up'n'over new record Covid Peaks
Worldometer : 6 or more harbour record Death peaks
EU : Red List Hot Favs of #1 Vax Bullies, there ain't no rainbows here sunshine!

Listen to yer Experts : Mandated VIP Bully nations are #1 drivers of the Pandemic.
For the good of the planet > Do the exact opposite of what these Deathstar commanders Mandate."
The very reason these Vax Producing Nations can't open to unvaxed is because they're too infectious.
Crew all know what horrible things the World says about this here Hell hole of the Pacific.
Qld Premier : "All old people lock all yer windows & never leave yer house again!"
These Bully nations corrupt Vax data & exploit unvaxed for their endless WR infections

World is bored with these knuckle dragging numbskull Bullies advocating more infectious Vax mayhem.
Free world wants an end to Mobster's bankrupting evil plans & is forging ahead without them.

World weary Anomalies
Greece : Feel free to rob yer unvaxed Grandma's pension for yer Red Hot Listed unvaxed o/s date!
Kosovo : Fully Vaxed Russians are free to join the resistance in the war against the Unvaxed!

PNG : Lowest (2.5%) Vax rate bans unvaxed from entering despite 97.5% of Nation being unvaxed?
Also note each time Fully Vaxed Covax Mass Vax teams arrive in PNG the WR Covid spikes ramp!

These flipside Vax Mandates defy logic & signal as trials for longer term strategic Bully control.

Data breakdown by Continents ( re: kayak) Saved time with fast quality checks...thanx!

Continent (Closed) Unvaxed Ban / Unvaxed Welcome
Africa (3) 3/57 > Central America (10) 1/7 > Asia (16) 5/34 > Europe (3) 8/46 > Middle East (4) 3/15
Pacific (15) 4/21 > Caribbean (10) 10/28 > South America (1) 7/14 > North America (0) 4/5

Credits : tbb was half way thru this research > Check this interactive "Epic Travel site"
https://www.kayak.com.au/travel-restrictions?&region=south-pacific

NYT site will bump you off after one session ...so prepare to be resourceful about yer visit.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-travel-restrictions.html
This site shows change is in the wind..."2022 Travel for the Unvaxed!" (Misinformation?)
https://blog.wego.com/travel-without-vaccine/
https://www.asiahighlights.com/southeast-asia/coronavirus-travel-tips

Thanx to all travel sites...some real good Worldly resource there!

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:43pm
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edit: I remember now where I heard it; somewhere in the MSM where they made a big deal out of RFK's quote: Kennedy called the mandates “a coup d’etat to democracy” and compared vaccine passports to slavery. “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could hide,” Kennedy said,

Edit: it was this Guardian story https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/24/robert-f-kennedy-jr-anti...

Coverage tone: negative.

Exactly Freeride.
The main point that the media made was something about RFKjnr comparing what he considers the mass formation psychosis of now with the holocaust.
Kinda glossed over the other points he made and those made by the rest of the speakers.

Call that what you want, the MSM could have easily said “leading doctors, scientists, academics and poiliticisns call for an end to mandates”
RFKjnr is a Democrat so it’s obviously not a R wing vs L wing thing

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Stok Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:47pm

Isn't RFKjnr a long time anti vaxxer who's family have all distanced themselves from him?

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:53pm

Maybe Stok.
There’s a few around questioning the evidence behind the vaccines, like the editors of the BMJ for example

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102

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Stok Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:55pm

My personal conspiracy theory re. covid, is that countries like China and Russia have kicked their information war into overdrive, and capitalised (in a communist manner) on the opportunity to drive deep divisions in democracies like ours, but more specifically the US.

I believe these foreign interests are using the anti vax/anti mandate narrative to their benefit, with ease, though bots on twitter/insta etc etc.

Anti government sentiment is high, and trust is low - so who stands to benefit the most globally?

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burleigh Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:56pm

This is why Doctors will not speak out or give exemptions even after people have had adverse reactions from the jab.
The boss of AMA last year on the Today show.
Listen carefully. He’s a bully

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bonza Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 8:58pm

RFKjnr is massive stooge. No way around it.

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:03pm

His book has sold ok though, apparently it’s very well referenced

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/2/...

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Stok Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:16pm

Burleigh, for your own sanity, avoid Reignite Democracy Australia at all costs.

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bonza Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:19pm

No doubt. But he’s still a stooge.
Checked out his website before? His anti vax stance predates covid and promotes the autism rant.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/known-culprits/vaccines/

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:28pm

A well referenced stooge, at least in regards to the Fauci book

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burleigh Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:34pm
Stok wrote:

Burleigh, for your own sanity, avoid Reignite Democracy Australia at all costs.

Mate it’s the only channel that has that video. Try find it somewhere else.
It’s from the Today show.
Did you watch it?

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bonza Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 9:45pm
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A well referenced stooge, at least in regards to the Fauci book

Mate not sure what you are getting at. He has a book or article that has credential references? So what?’. As you well know the best lies is dolloped with truth. RFKjr may have thngs to say on a number of things around covid that I may actually agree with. But I look at his past form on spreading bullshit and I call him a stooge.

Fluoride. 5G etc. Fuk me.

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Stok Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 10:34pm

@yeah I watched it burleigh.

So the strategy they're clearly taking (and have taken) is get as many vaccines into as many people as possible. Simple utilitarianism. Vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death, letting covid run through an unvaxxed population is a bigger cost to society through sickness and death than getting everyone jabbed. Bigger than the cost of putting additional restrictions and mandates on people's freedoms. Hospitals and the health system were already fucked pre covid, covid just fucks it more.

So, how would you execute this strategy, if you're a leader? Well, you'd firstly just try to encourage people....naturally you'd get low uptake and get push back...when you get push back you can either roll over and accept that's as far as you'll get, or you can push harder. Show how serious you're taking it.

One thing which RDA and other groups are pushing for is the removal of these strategies, they (and you) want our leaders to fold and change. Abolish mandates, let the vax rates run organically, to 60%, or 70% or whatever it gets up to.

You're seeing differing communication strategies among our premiers and CHOs in Oz, but the idea is still the same - get as many people vaccinated as possible.

So yes, when you see government officials talk, and they press hard with vaccinations and mandates, it's because they're doing their job - listening to their advisors (not fringe interest groups like RDA), and pushing for an outcome. It's actually a positive thing, to see our leaders act, and front the camera regularly, with a fairly strong unwavering mission. They're not folding, trying to protect as many votes as possible, they're doing what they think is right.

Enter stage left, Clive Palmer and UAP - they'll hoover up the votes of people who want to abolish mandates, by appealing to their frustrations, and direct them straight to the libs.

Of course, if your general beliefs are that the vaccine doesn't work, or the gov is lying, or the experts are wrong.....forget everything I just wrote.

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 10:34pm

It’s pretty hard these days sifting out misinformation vs lies.
My take is that misinformation includes select references to build a narrative with omission of other information in order to justify your position. Sometimes this is not purposeful omission, other times it is.
Next level up is not only omission of key info but dismissal and discreditation of anything that doesn’t fit your view.
Then above that there are lies.
And the concept of a “fact” has always been the same: it’s only a “fact” until new info comes along which shows it wasn’t all along.

Not sure what your getting at with RFKjnr, suggesting he is actively lying.
Maybe he is, who knows?
But the Fauci book appears to well referenced, not sure if he’s actively lying in that book

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bonza Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 10:52pm

No worries Tyler. I don’t find him credible. You may others might. That’s life. All the best.

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tylerdurden Thursday, 27 Jan 2022 at 11:00pm

A rare display of civil contrition Bonza.
Each their own, it’s hard to know what to believe these days

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The real Donald... Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 5:34am
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

1. Say NO, NO MORE. No more boosters, and join us delporable cleanskins.

or

2. Keep getting whacked up with whatever whenever they say. Endless medical slavery.

Personally, I strongly encourage option #2 , if you think that's best for you. Whatever I don't care.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

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Blowin Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 5:41am
Stok wrote:

My personal conspiracy theory re. covid, is that countries like China and Russia have kicked their information war into overdrive, and capitalised (in a communist manner) on the opportunity to drive deep divisions in democracies like ours, but more specifically the US.

I believe these foreign interests are using the anti vax/anti mandate narrative to their benefit, with ease, though bots on twitter/insta etc etc.

Anti government sentiment is high, and trust is low - so who stands to benefit the most globally?

What lies could Russia spread which is more egregious than the lies spread by Biden?

Genuine question.

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Blowin Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 5:57am

This is some proper 1984 stuff.

Puppet Trudeau claiming that truck convoy protesting against vaccine mandates and certificates are going against the science and they don’t respect freedom.

Ummm…there’s never been a single piece of scientific evidence supporting vaccine mandates and passports and you , Trudeau, are personally and atbitrarily denying freedom to millions of people.

You’re scum bloke….crawl back up Klaus Schwab’s arse and die.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1486617099665649664?s=20&t=9Wp2TbMteFXqn6U9yD9lVA

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-trudeaus-a-globalist...

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etarip Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 6:57am
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

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blackers Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 7:10am
flollo wrote:

On the media bias topic I suggest everyone to visit https://adfontesmedia.com/ and review the media bias chart.

Also, I installed a Ground News Chrome extension on my laptop which basically pops out with a bias banner on every news site I visit - https://ground.news/extension

This works well, especially in the US which is extremely polluted with bias. At the end of the day, I read everything left, right and form my own opinions. These little tools make it a lot easier to distinguish bias behind news outlets.

Nice one flollo, have used mediabias fact-check before, but not these guys. Ground News extension is a ripper.

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Supafreak Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 7:48am

Sweden decides against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-12 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending...

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saltyone Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:04am

Here’s the thing - People that get the virus can have different experiences. Some feel nothing much , others feel like shit. Some go to hospital but vast majority of those who are sick stay home. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Yes it is confusing. However - people must make their own decisions regarding their health. It’s called taking responsibility.

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Hiccups Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:39am
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

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Roadkill Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:41am
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

Obviously you don't eat enough organic vegetables, Hiccups. More exercise would also help.
Food is medicine and all.

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burleigh Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:43am
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

And here come the “I feel like shit” so lucky I was vaccinated or I would definitely be in hospital brigade.

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Roadkill wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

Obviously you don't eat enough organic vegetables, Hiccups. More exercise would also help.
Food is medicine and all.

If you don’t believe that food can help with diseases then you’re a fucking rat.

I’m not talking talking about treatment, I’m talking about prevention from an early age.

Our biggest killers and the real pandemic. Heart disease, diabetes.

And seeming Obesity and covid is a big killer eating the right food will also save your life too

Who gives a fuck about a headache and body aches for 2 or 3 days.

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burleigh Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:54am

TGA adverse reactions report - 6948017 14/01/2022
7 year old with pericarditis .

Reporting is 2 weeks behind so expect many more.

How many more children will be hurt to protect old people until you say enough is enough?

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Hiccups Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 8:55am
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

And here come the “I feel like shit” so lucky I was vaccinated or I would definitely be in hospital brigade.

Did I say anything of the sort?

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Hiccups wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

And here come the “I feel like shit” so lucky I was vaccinated or I would definitely be in hospital brigade.

Did I say anything of the sort?

Nah but if you didn’t think that you would have to believe your vaccine didn’t work.

And a fool would rather remain a fool because the truth requires change.

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Hiccups Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:10am
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

And here come the “I feel like shit” so lucky I was vaccinated or I would definitely be in hospital brigade.

Did I say anything of the sort?

Nah but if you didn’t think that you would have to believe your vaccine didn’t work.

And a fool would rather remain a fool because the truth requires change.

Ah yep. Good one. I've never even mentioned that I'm vaccinated, I am, but even if I wasn't, I wouldn't be scared that I was gonna wind up in hospital. I eat well, am not remotely overweight, surf a lot. I know the odds are well and truly on my side. I do however know plenty of immunocompromised people, and that there are plenty more out there who are worried, and rightly so. I got vaccinated for the greater good, because I'm not a selfish cunt.

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burleigh Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:17am
Hiccups wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
etarip wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:
Stok wrote:
The real Donald Trump wrote:

jab junkies have 2 choices.

Just don't come at me with a needle full of franken juice, I'll take it off you and stab you in the eye with it.

Great post TRD.
Don't worry, no one is going to come at you with a needle.
Of course, the world doesn't bend to suit your beliefs, hopefully for your sake covid remains relatively mild for most people, and we don't have any other more deadly variants or other novel viruses which may need you to get a jab.

FWIW I reckon I got the 'Rona last week when down in the big smoke.

Snotty nose, dull headache, loss of smell, bit clammy the odd day.

Didn't bother trying to get RAT or PCR, so who knows,

... but IF that was the 'Rona, I've had worse hangovers.

Here we go again, the old “I reckon I already had Covid” brigade.

Good on ya survivor. You want a medal?

Chuck him on the "I reckon I had covid, I'm not sure cos I didn't get tested, but I'll brag about how pissweak it was" pile, with burleigh and blowin. I have it atm. Feel like I've been gargling gravel and my head is reasonably achey. Day 3, so hopefully that's the worst of it.

And here come the “I feel like shit” so lucky I was vaccinated or I would definitely be in hospital brigade.

Did I say anything of the sort?

Nah but if you didn’t think that you would have to believe your vaccine didn’t work.

And a fool would rather remain a fool because the truth requires change.

Ah yep. Good one. I've never even mentioned that I'm vaccinated, I am, but even if I wasn't, I wouldn't be scared that I was gonna wind up in hospital. I eat well, am not remotely overweight, surf a lot. I know the odds are well and truly on my side. I do however know plenty of immunocompromised people, and that there are plenty more out there who are worried, and rightly so. I got vaccinated for the greater good, because I'm not a selfish cunt.

So you got vaccinated to protect the community? You mean to stop transmission? Haha

You’re not a selfish cunt, your right. You’re a dumb cunt.

Sitting there fully vaccinated, day three sooking about gravel in your throat.

Give me a break

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GuySmiley Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:23am

“....I’m not talking talking about treatment, I’m talking about prevention from an early age.

Our biggest killers and the real pandemic. Heart disease, diabetes....”

Odd the vast majority of people I know and read about who oppose vaccination etc claim to be health conscious while being incredibly angry about it to the point they are saying and doing very aggressive things in their families, communities and online.

Why odd? Unresolved anger in people over years / a lifetime has massive negative implications for heart health.

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Hiccups Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:23am
burleigh wrote:

sooking about gravel in your throat.

Oh. Was I sooking?

burleigh wrote:

You’re not a selfish cunt, your right. You’re a dumb cunt.

I'm the dumb cunt? Priceless.

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stunet Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:26am

Homepage C-bomb defuser.

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Hiccups wrote:
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sooking about gravel in your throat.

Oh. Was I sooking?

burleigh wrote:

You’re not a selfish cunt, your right. You’re a dumb cunt.

I'm the dumb cunt? Priceless.

That was a bit harsh. You’re easily manipulated. Is that better?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:37am

When people say they got vaccinated for the community/others etc, while it's now been shown pretty clearly the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission to any worthwhile extent.

There still is truth in doing it for the community, because we had to reach 70-80% vax rates before we opened up, so I'm thankful to people who got vaxed because they helped bring our freedoms back.

Plus getting vaxed still helps reduce overall hospitalisation so helps reduce pressure on the hospital system.

But that said if people really dont want to get Covid vaxed, so be it they shouldn't be demonised, we should respect their views and rights to not get vaxed.

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GuySmiley Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:42am
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Homepage C-bomb defuser.

Just binged season 3 of Afterlife!!

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Stok Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:44am
GuySmiley wrote:

“....I’m not talking talking about treatment, I’m talking about prevention from an early age.

Our biggest killers and the real pandemic. Heart disease, diabetes....”

Odd the vast majority of people I know and read about who oppose vaccination etc claim to be health conscious while being incredibly angry about it to the point they are saying and doing very aggressive things in their families, communities and online.

Why odd? Unresolved anger in people over years / a lifetime has massive negative implications for heart health.

Absolutely, health is so much more that just being ripped because you surf all day and hit the gym.
Physical health is obviously critical, but mental and emotional health are pillars which can't be ignored.

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My personal conspiracy theory re. covid, is that countries like China and Russia have kicked their information war into overdrive, and capitalised (in a communist manner) on the opportunity to drive deep divisions in democracies like ours, but more specifically the US.

I believe these foreign interests are using the anti vax/anti mandate narrative to their benefit, with ease, though bots on twitter/insta etc etc.

Anti government sentiment is high, and trust is low - so who stands to benefit the most globally?

What lies could Russia spread which is more egregious than the lies spread by Biden?

Genuine question.

No idea really, but I would say an external party (i.e. Russia) would have much more interest in the complete destabilisation of democracy and trust in a country like the USA, than either Republicans or Democrats.

The beautiful thing for these external parties is, they don't even have to tell the lies, it could come from Biden or whoever, they just have to pour fuel on the flames. Trend the right hashtags, share the right memes etc.

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burleigh Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:54am
GuySmiley wrote:
stunet wrote:

Homepage C-bomb defuser.

Just binged season 3 of Afterlife!!

I started watching that last night. So good

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overthefalls Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:55am

Nailed it, Indo. Even if the vaccines don’t prevent transmission, they still help the community by reducing the likelihood of severe illness, which keeps a lot of people out of public hospitals, which were already overstretched and under-resourced before the pandemic. I have no issues with people who choose to not get vaccinated, except those who peddle drivel about the vaccines being experimental, dangerous and ineffective.

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Supafreak Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 9:56am
burleigh wrote:

TGA adverse reactions report - 6948017 14/01/2022
7 year old with pericarditis .

Reporting is 2 weeks behind so expect many more.

How many more children will be hurt to protect old people until you say enough is enough?

Note the 7 year old is female

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burleigh Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 10:01am
Supafreak wrote:
burleigh wrote:

TGA adverse reactions report - 6948017 14/01/2022
7 year old with pericarditis .

Reporting is 2 weeks behind so expect many more.

How many more children will be hurt to protect old people until you say enough is enough?

Note the 7 year old is female

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

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bluediamond Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 10:06am

@hiccuos " I got vaccinated for the greater good, because I'm not a selfish c#nt"
Many thanks from my friend in hospital thars fucked from the vaccine. She got it because she felt bullied by comments exactly like this. Keep flying the flag of self righteousness hero. Remind again how effective your jab is against omicon?

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Stok Friday, 28 Jan 2022 at 10:09am
indo-dreaming wrote:

When people say they got vaccinated for the community/others etc, while it's now been shown pretty clearly the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission to any worthwhile extent.

There still is truth in doing it for the community, because we had to reach 70-80% vax rates before we opened up, so I'm thankful to people who got vaxed because they helped bring our freedoms back.

Plus getting vaxed still helps reduce overall hospitalisation so helps reduce pressure on the hospital system.

But that said if people really dont want to get Covid vaxed, so be it they shouldn't be demonised, we should respect their views and rights to not get vaxed.

The reduction in hospitalisations and deaths is significant, even if you personally feel you're in good health, given this is a new virus where we're learning as we're going, vaccination is the strongest pre-emptive action you can take.

It's funny, anti vaxxers bang on about being a good little sheep lining up for boosters etc. etc.

There's actually some truth in this, but in a much more positive, community minded manner.

In Australia, we're over 90% vaccinated - there's a strength in that. We, for the much larger part, all pulled in the same direction.

Covid has been referred to as a dress rehearsal for when something worse comes along, which it will. Stepping up and getting vaccinated shows you're willing to jump in the trenches when called up.

Yes the overall effectiveness of the vaccines appear to have reduced slightly against Omicron, but not to the point where the benefits to yourself and the community are less than the problems with covid. If you search out a fringe truth which says otherwise, you'll find it, but the majority positin still states it's effective.

Yes, you should always have the freedom to do what you want with your time on this planet, provided you don't unfairly impede on the freedoms of others. You should also accept there's a degree of responsibility for living in a society.

My opinion is part of that responsibility is not going against the grain of the experts and leaders, unless you are absolutely sure it's the right thing to do, and you're not doing it for your own selfish or biased reasons (which is almost impossible to know when you're doing it). When I say absolutely sure - I mean you're acting based on evidence based, peer reviewed, blind studied stuff. Not just because you don't like what the world has become.