COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 6:51pm
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Rubbish Stok

Anti vaxxers long held stance has been that this virus will be here forever and that these fast tracked vaccines with their semi shit efficacy ain’t worth it

You are the one in fairy land thinking this is not endemic

The day you admit this virus is here forever is the day you join them

I can’t believe the corner you’ve painted yourself into either...

Yep it's here forever, but it's an innate skill of the anti vaxxer to believe that as long as they keep reminding themselves of how mild it is, they don't need to actually follow any health advice. They're collectively re-assuring themselves, constantly how mild Omicron is and how the experts are wrong, and how there's nothing to worry about. Life is great, our immune systems are built to tackle anything and all you have to do is put your faith in what they say on Bitchute.

Meanwhile there's storeis of an unvaccintaed pregnant woman being in a coma due to covid, leading to her delivering a stillborn baby.

Too true Stok!

You keep true to your hypothetical lab staged experimental outcomes and continue to ignore those shouty people with their “real world “ data which only accounts for the lived experience of potentially two million Australians and tens of millions of people around the world!

I’m placing complete trust in your textbook determination that the Omicold is a deadly killer which is lulling everyone into a false sense of security before it strikes like Jason the psychopath in the Hallowe’en movies!

You’re the only voice of reason bloke! Tell everyone how mild it isn’t!

You’ll have to speak up but bloke, I can’t hear you over the rustling tissue sound of millions of people having a light dose of the sniffles.

Very true blowin,

Amazing how Stok started this omicron isn’t mild rubbish not long after the Victorian CHO also said the same thing at a press conference from “health advice” that I’m sure Stok has never seen.

You’re a parrot Stok.

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 6:58pm

Do the resident pin cushions here want to tell me Dr Malone and 17,000 other doctors are all wrong?

Drs here in Australia would loose their licence if the spoke up like this as they are completely controlled by the government in regards to Covid Treatment

https://twitter.com/Just___Zach/status/1485345169432096769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1485345169432096769%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fwashington-dc-defeat-mandates-march-covid-vaccine

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indo-dreaming Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:03pm
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https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-fo...

The anti vax clowns often cite Israel...now it is not in favor of their bias, I'm guessing they no longer will look to Israel.

You do realise in the article that it states it being not very effective for omicron? Its a useless headline if it means nothing for the new strain. https://www.israel21c.org/israel-finds-4th-vaccine-dose-not-as-effective...

omicron, is 1 strain.
so it doesn't devalue it's worth.

Omicron is now the dominant strain pretty much world wide and will out compete all other strains, even new strains are most likely to develop from Omicron because to compete they need to be as contagious as Omicron.

complete garbage, Dr indo-dreaming.

So you think everybody in Australia has Alpha or Delta?

I don’t know what everybody in Australia has. Do you?

Most countries that got Omicron in December are now at well over 95% Omicron cases, as you can see from this graph Omicron(pinky purple) is by far the most dominant variant, the tiny shade of lighter pink towards the top is the 2nd strain of Omicron. (green Delta, other colours variants of Wuhan strain)

Australia is said to have only 6% Delta now the rest is Omicron, USA now only 2% Delta, UK is now only 1% Delta.

I dont know if its 100% yet on if it will completely wipe Delta out, but i think most expect it will.

BTW. Don't bother apologising i wont take it personally.


https://covariants.org/per-country

only 1 problem with those stats, how does anyone know what variant they have, and how do we know they are telling the truth about what percentage of what variant is out there, because they certainly dont inform you of which variant you have tested positive too, they wont even tell your doctor, who i asked when i did test positive, second test still positive still no idea as to what dodgy shit i have. but fuck does it really matter.
lets go back to the more deadly strains before everyone was forced to have the jab, over 70% of people who tested positive had zero or mild symptoms, made a full recovery and moved on in life
so if 70% of people would have made a full recovery with those zero to mild symptoms then the vaccine was of no benefit, now those that are in the vulnerable group contract it, is the vaccine helping them, that to me is the only stat worth talking about because the majority of people will make a full recovery anyway.
Ive been saying that in my group for over a year, but we are forced coerced , belittled for stating the bloody obvious,

Not 100% sure, but possibly other methods they could use to get an average, maybe sewerage samples?...also just the rate at how it's spreading, or just by testing for strains in a percentage of people or testing for strains for those in hospital etc

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overthefalls Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:23pm
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Hey BD, I would define an “anti-vaxxer” as someone who zealously criticises vaccinations and actively encourages others to adopt the same stance, especially by promoting dubious claims about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Just because you’re unvaccinated doesn’t mean you’re an “anti-vaxxer”; there are some people who decide not to get vaccinated and they just keep it to themselves. For obvious reasons, you don’t hear much about these people. For example, there are people who have had all of their routine childhood vaccinations, but decide that the covid vaccine is not for them. Unfortunately, the term “anti-vaxxer” is used quite loosely, which has resulted in the unfair stigmatisation of those who quietly make the personal and private decision to not get vaccinated. Personally, I think that if you are able to do so, then you should get vaccinated, but you shouldn’t have to do it. What irritates are the unvaccinated minority who ridicule the vaccinated majority and make false claims about vaccines. Live and let live, I say!

A bloody great and respectful answer from someone who i genuinely enjoy reading their posts. Over the falls, i know we have differing opinions on vaccination, but i read your posts and i get information that makes me consider things differently. I can't remember you using the term 'antivaxxer' and if you do, it's sparingly and probably warranted.
Cheers for again for a reasoned response. This is the way forward. I'd think it would be best for some to think before they start throwing generalised and derogatory names at those they disagree with, considering especially, most of those are already vaccinated!! Cheers.

No worries, BD. I’d be happy to have a beer with you at the pub (that’s if they let you in!).

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:24pm

For those of you who want to compare diseases

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Supafreak Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:32pm

“ If there is risk there must be choice “ fair sounding statement to a reasonable person.

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Roadkill Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:36pm
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For those of you who want to compare diseases

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZGvoduhrf4/?utm_medium=copy_link

You know polio is mostly a fecal oral transmission?
So, no comparison.

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Supafreak Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:40pm

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overthefalls Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:43pm

The polio vaccine was also controversial:

https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/polio-vaccine-introduc...

“In 1955 Dr Jonas Salk and his research team at the University of Pittsburgh in the United States, developed the first polio vaccine, which was administered by injection.
This was followed in 1961 by an oral vaccine developed by Dr Albert Sabin.
Debate raged over the benefits of the two kinds of vaccine. Salk’s vaccine, which used a killed virus, was easier and quicker to produce but required regular booster shots.
Sabin’s attenuated (weakened but still live) virus vaccine did not require booster shots but, if not manufactured properly, ran the risk of reverting to its virulent state and infecting the person with the full-blown disease. It also prevented the virus from replicating in the patient’s intestines and so stopped the ongoing transmission of the disease.”

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sypkan Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 7:59pm

well there's an attack and angle i bet mcgowan and the pro lockdown fetishists didn't see coming...

https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-doctors-move-east-...

just what he needs... more health workers bailing before the surge... the delayed - yet again - inevitable surge...

the delayed inevitable winter timed surge?

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Roadkill Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:03pm

WA should have opened the same time QLD did.

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Stok Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:06pm
overthefalls wrote:

Hey BD, I would define an “anti-vaxxer” as someone who zealously criticises vaccinations and actively encourages others to adopt the same stance, especially by promoting dubious claims about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Just because you’re unvaccinated doesn’t mean you’re an “anti-vaxxer”; there are some people who decide not to get vaccinated and they just keep it to themselves. For obvious reasons, you don’t hear much about these people. For example, there are people who have had all of their routine childhood vaccinations, but decide that the covid vaccine is not for them. Unfortunately, the term “anti-vaxxer” is used quite loosely, which has resulted in the unfair stigmatisation of those who quietly make the personal and private decision to not get vaccinated. Personally, I think that if you are able to do so, then you should get vaccinated, but you shouldn’t have to do it. What irritates are the unvaccinated minority who ridicule the vaccinated majority and make false claims about vaccines. Live and let live, I say!

In response to your question BD, I'd have to generally agree with overthefalls.

I do however still consider someone who personally chooses not to vaccinate as an anti vaxxer, but they are much, much more respectable humans than the types described in OTF's post. Choosing personally not to vaccinate is still a choice to naively qualify yourself to make health and medical decisions above those who have actual real qualifications. Vaccinations are also a form of 'doing your part' for the society you live in. If you choose to enjoy the fruits of what we have here (you know, healthcare, income support, police) then you should step up and listen to the appropriately qualified individuals when they highly recommend so. Even though anti vaxxers love saying 'but your vaccine doesn't work!', vaccines work best by slowly building immune strength throughout a community, not by stopping all infections in discreet circumstances. So every person who makes that personal choice is effectively working against the collective.

Spreading information from dubious sources in an attempt to justify your position is flat out irresponsible. It's seemingly a victimless doing, but don't kid yourself.

So, the following people have given me the impression they're either trolling or anti vaxxers: BD, Burleigh, Blowin, Sypkan, Supafreak (less so) and that new Donald fellow. It's your choice to continue being a drongo and listening to the primod (like Burleigh), or make the adult decision that maybe you're not best placed to comment on what's going on with covid at the moment.

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:06pm

Well, what the fuck did I just watch?

Victorian government propaganda grooming 14 year olds.

This only ends when people like Stok, Vic and RK say no more.

This is sick.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CYlD6RiAnVU/?utm_medium=copy_link

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Stok Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:11pm
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Very true blowin,

Amazing how Stok started this omicron isn’t mild rubbish not long after the Victorian CHO also said the same thing at a press conference from “health advice” that I’m sure Stok has never seen.

You’re a parrot Stok.

Coming from the peanut who keeps banging on about pin cushions? What is your obsession with needles?

Look, I'm sure they'll make a suppository for you soon, you can make do with other props for now :)

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:11pm
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Hey BD, I would define an “anti-vaxxer” as someone who zealously criticises vaccinations and actively encourages others to adopt the same stance, especially by promoting dubious claims about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Just because you’re unvaccinated doesn’t mean you’re an “anti-vaxxer”; there are some people who decide not to get vaccinated and they just keep it to themselves. For obvious reasons, you don’t hear much about these people. For example, there are people who have had all of their routine childhood vaccinations, but decide that the covid vaccine is not for them. Unfortunately, the term “anti-vaxxer” is used quite loosely, which has resulted in the unfair stigmatisation of those who quietly make the personal and private decision to not get vaccinated. Personally, I think that if you are able to do so, then you should get vaccinated, but you shouldn’t have to do it. What irritates are the unvaccinated minority who ridicule the vaccinated majority and make false claims about vaccines. Live and let live, I say!

vaccines work best by slowly building immune strength throughout a community, not by stopping all infections in discreet circumstances. So every person who makes that personal choice is effectively working against the collective.

What the fuck have you been smoking Stok. I want some.

The covid vaccine doesn’t do any of the above.

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Stok Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:16pm
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I admire your dedication to remaining a chickenshit softcock bloke. You stay strong….urrr, I mean….Stay weak bloke!

The rustling of tissues one was good, I had a laugh at the one, but this one? 'Softcock'? Did your insult game stop developing at high school age?

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:18pm
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Very true blowin,

Amazing how Stok started this omicron isn’t mild rubbish not long after the Victorian CHO also said the same thing at a press conference from “health advice” that I’m sure Stok has never seen.

You’re a parrot Stok.

Coming from the peanut who keeps banging on about pin cushions? What is your obsession with needles?

Look, I'm sure they'll make a suppository for you soon, you can make do with other props for now :)

Sorry, I’ll change it to “grown men to scared to question the health advice that is different in every state and every country around the world”

Just like religion they can’t all be right, but you believe yours is the only one that matters

If you could follow the health advice it would lead to a few very rich mens bank account

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Vic Local Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:19pm

I see the usual suspects are banging on about "the narrative is collapsing". WTF happened to "Australia has fallen"? Well that crap had a shelf life of about 2 months.
What will February's bullshit slogan be burliegh? You're very much down the rabbit hole, give us a sneak preview of the future crap you're about to regurgitate.

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:22pm
Vic Local wrote:

I see the usual suspects are banging on about "the narrative is collapsing". WTF happened to "Australia has fallen"? Well that crap had a shelf life of about 2 months.
What will February's bullshit slogan be burliegh? You're very much down the rabbit hole, give us a sneak preview of the future crap you're about to regurgitate.

I would imagine it will be more about kids and the grooming happening at school.

You see the video I posted above from your beloved government?

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bluediamond Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:23pm
Stok wrote:
overthefalls wrote:

Hey BD, I would define an “anti-vaxxer” as someone who zealously criticises vaccinations and actively encourages others to adopt the same stance, especially by promoting dubious claims about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Just because you’re unvaccinated doesn’t mean you’re an “anti-vaxxer”; there are some people who decide not to get vaccinated and they just keep it to themselves. For obvious reasons, you don’t hear much about these people. For example, there are people who have had all of their routine childhood vaccinations, but decide that the covid vaccine is not for them. Unfortunately, the term “anti-vaxxer” is used quite loosely, which has resulted in the unfair stigmatisation of those who quietly make the personal and private decision to not get vaccinated. Personally, I think that if you are able to do so, then you should get vaccinated, but you shouldn’t have to do it. What irritates are the unvaccinated minority who ridicule the vaccinated majority and make false claims about vaccines. Live and let live, I say!

In response to your question BD, I'd have to generally agree with overthefalls.

I do however still consider someone who personally chooses not to vaccinate as an anti vaxxer, but they are much, much more respectable humans than the types described in OTF's post. Choosing personally not to vaccinate is still a choice to naively qualify yourself to make health and medical decisions above those who have actual real qualifications. Vaccinations are also a form of 'doing your part' for the society you live in. If you choose to enjoy the fruits of what we have here (you know, healthcare, income support, police) then you should step up and listen to the appropriately qualified individuals when they highly recommend so. Even though anti vaxxers love saying 'but your vaccine doesn't work!', vaccines work best by slowly building immune strength throughout a community, not by stopping all infections in discreet circumstances. So every person who makes that personal choice is effectively working against the collective.

Spreading information from dubious sources in an attempt to justify your position is flat out irresponsible. It's seemingly a victimless doing, but don't kid yourself.

So, the following people have given me the impression they're either trolling or anti vaxxers: BD, Burleigh, Blowin, Sypkan, Supafreak (less so) and that new Donald fellow. It's your choice to continue being a drongo and listening to the primod (like Burleigh), or make the adult decision that maybe you're not best placed to comment on what's going on with covid at the moment.

Hey Stok. Thanks for your reply. While i don't agree at all with it, especially the social duty aspect when so much evidence is stacked against the safety and legitimacy of the effectiveness of vaccines in stopping the spread of Covid, not to mention the fact they have little to no effect in combatting Omicron, I'll happily agree to disagree with you. Good that you have the balls to put your opinion out there, and i'm sure the right answer lies somewhere between your opinion and mine, because fark, just like you, i'm just a commenter on SN. Not an expert. Just trying to make sense of it all. Cheers.

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Vic Local Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:31pm
burleigh wrote:
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I see the usual suspects are banging on about "the narrative is collapsing". WTF happened to "Australia has fallen"? Well that crap had a shelf life of about 2 months.
What will February's bullshit slogan be burliegh? You're very much down the rabbit hole, give us a sneak preview of the future crap you're about to regurgitate.

I would imagine it will be more about kids and the grooming happening at school.

You see the video I posted above from your beloved government?

And no doubt you'll see the anti-vaxxers as heroes protecting the kids. Same playbook as the Qanon lunatics who want to save the kids being held captive in tunnels by the pedo cabal.
burleigh, you're in a cult.

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sypkan Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 8:37pm

stok... anti vaxxers... sigh...

you're a twit, a trolling twit...

a pinhead

if you are academia... there is no hope...

your ignorance and arrogance knows no bounds

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 9:20pm
Vic Local wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Vic Local wrote:

I see the usual suspects are banging on about "the narrative is collapsing". WTF happened to "Australia has fallen"? Well that crap had a shelf life of about 2 months.
What will February's bullshit slogan be burliegh? You're very much down the rabbit hole, give us a sneak preview of the future crap you're about to regurgitate.

I would imagine it will be more about kids and the grooming happening at school.

You see the video I posted above from your beloved government?

And no doubt you'll see the anti-vaxxers as heroes protecting the kids. Same playbook as the Qanon lunatics who want to save the kids being held captive in tunnels by the pedo cabal.
burleigh, you're in a cult.

What is a cult?
A cult is a group or movement held together by a shared commitment to a charismatic leader or ideology. It has a belief system that has the answers to all of life's questions and offers a special solution to be gained only by following the leaders rules.

Sounds like you’re in a cult mate

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Supafreak Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 9:22pm
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And there is the cult leader

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Stok Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 9:32pm

You gotta hand it to Burleigh, that's some proper crystal ballin' there. I guess one has to be truly immersed in the dirty world of inventing imaginary enemies and pretending you're some sort of saviour for the children, mostly to suit you're own personal whims.

Any sypkan, you ok? Did that one get you a little close to home?

Just a reminder, this redundant thread is called 'Covid Health System Overload Forecaster', not share your favourite doubt/misinformation from sources which scream disrepute. there's plenty of echo chambers in the world of telegram you anti vaxxers can retreat to and have a cry about censorship, or sheeple or pin cushions or whatever it is you all chat about.
Rest assured, no one with any level of decision making responsibility will give two fucks about what you're misguided opinions entail, and your favourite celebrity grifters, once they lose momentum, will quickly pivot to profit from the next 'outrage of the gullible' event - who know what that will be....electric cars? 6G? Gender equality? A cure for heart disease?

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burleigh Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 9:54pm
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You gotta hand it to Burleigh, that's some proper crystal ballin' there. I guess one has to be truly immersed in the dirty world of inventing imaginary enemies and pretending you're some sort of saviour for the children, mostly to suit you're own personal whims.

Any sypkan, you ok? Did that one get you a little close to home?

Just a reminder, this redundant thread is called 'Covid Health System Overload Forecaster', not share your favourite doubt/misinformation from sources which scream disrepute. there's plenty of echo chambers in the world of telegram you anti vaxxers can retreat to and have a cry about censorship, or sheeple or pin cushions or whatever it is you all chat about.
Rest assured, no one with any level of decision making responsibility will give two fucks about what you're misguided opinions entail, and your favourite celebrity grifters, once they lose momentum, will quickly pivot to profit from the next 'outrage of the gullible' event - who know what that will be....electric cars? 6G? Gender equality? A cure for heart disease?

You’re happy with vaccine propaganda directed at kids then Stok?
Curated videos to coerce 14 year olds to go against parents wishes? Paid for by your tax dollars.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CYlD6RiAnVU/?utm_medium=copy_link

Heart disease? That’s already reversible brains. It’s called eating healthy. I know this first hand as my father has heart disease, as did his father.

Another expert you will probably ignore is Dr Gregor https://nutritionfacts.org for tips on reversing heart disease. It doesn’t involve big pharma so I’m assuming you won’t agree with him, and that’s ok

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Stok Monday, 24 Jan 2022 at 10:24pm

I don't have an issue with that Burleigh. Considering 93% of 16+ yr olds have had their vax, most parents are not as paranoid as you about this, so it's mostly a non issue. for the 5% or so of the population who do have an issue with this - well, hopefully their paranoia doesn't spread to their kids. You're worried about government funded 'propaganda', I'd be a bit more worried about the poor kids who get dragged along to protests to listen to George Christensen and brought up on a diet of misinformation.

It's nothing new that young people under the age of 18 (yes, even 14) are able to see doctors themselves and have a degree of medical privacy.

But - and stop the press for this one - I do agree with you on Nutrition Facts! I've been eating plant based for about 6 or 7 years now (lost count) and happily listened to nutritionists who fulfilled my narrative. Two main differences though - a vegan diet is recognised by Dieticians Australia (or whatever they're called) as being sufficiently healthy, and it's a personal choice of mine which doesn't effect the health of others.

See? Don't judge a book by it's cover Burlsy...

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 12:38am

Israeli Experts Slam their own Vax Failure...(2 years on ...it's coming undone!)
Israeli officials were surprised & disappointed Vax did not stop transmission.
Now it's turned to shit!
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/israeli-officials-...

CDC : May-Nov 2021 (Back Study -new release) Correction!
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/prior-infection-vaccination-offered-greate...
Up to June early (Delta) : "Vax offered better protection against breakthrus."
Delta dominant Vax wane period to Nov : "Prior (Natural infection) offered better protection than Vax."
Noted > Strictly : pre Booster / Omicron (period)

UK Booster (3) 26th Dec- 16th Jan 2022 = 943,915 (Adult break-thru Booster infections)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Strange how we never read about these 1m/month Booster Spikes...yet there it is!
Guessing it's a more posh VIP Mass Vax Covid spread, well beyond puny Omicron infection rates.

Experts voted for most/least ineffectual 2nd shot chasers = #1 J&J > #2 Moderna. (Sounds right!)

Israel Booster (4) or 5/6/7/8 or 100/200/ 1,000 x mRNA cannot & willfully refuses to block infection!
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/israel-fourth-dose-early-data/...
* Slightly more Antibodies than 3rd Dose but nowhere near enough to prevent Omicron break-thrus
* Even a good Vax won't prevent Omicron breakthru.
* Only slightly few less infections than 3 dose group. ( Small group + Only 1 month in!)
* No difference with Moderna / Pfizer.
* Not worth it to dose the general population

Pfizer : "We gotta new brew in March!"
Some dread that poking the beast with a stick may mutate the Virus beyond our measure.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 5:51am

New Zealand needs about 1500 more hospital specialists, 1400 GPs and 12,000 nurses to match Australia per capita,

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Blowin Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 6:56am
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Says the bloke who fabricated the death by covid of a toddler a couple of weeks ago.

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burleigh Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 7:42am
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C’mon Toadkill, you can do better than that.

What about all the deaths reported “with Covid” over the last two years.

Didn’t some guy get shot and died, then was recorded as a covid death?

You got a short memory mate.

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burleigh Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 7:55am

Medina out.
Was it due to vaccine mandate (he does say he took vaccine)
Or vaccine injury?

Swellnet gossip girl

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Supafreak Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 7:54am
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frog Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:18am

From TBB's Israel link above:

“We don’t see virtually any difference between people vaccinated and non-vaccinated, both can get infected with the virus more or less at the same pace,” he said.

Pfizer’s Dr Bourla last week said two doses of its current Covid-19 vaccine offer “very limited protection, if any” against Omicron

Mmmmmmm.... benefits of kids vaccination program?

New simple strategy:

Omicron = nature's vaccine. Job done?

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Vic Local Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:15am

good news. According to the Guardian poll, voter satisfaction of the Fed government's handling of Covid 19 has crumbled over summer. The bad news is 1 in 3 Australians still think the Fed govt is competent. They are either thick or not paying attention.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:18am

Didn’t some guy get shot and died, then was recorded as a covid death?
Medina out due to a vaccine injury?
FFS burleigh, you're not well.
Maybe it's time for a break, go for a walk, take some nice photos for your own health.

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frog Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:36am

https://meaww.com/large-excess-deaths-new-york-30-percent-coronavirus-pa...

"There was an increase in observed, compared with expected, mortality in Scotland (+27%), England and Wales (+35%), the Netherlands (+60%), and New York state (+26%). Of these deaths, 57% in Scotland, 57% in England and Wales, 51% in the Netherlands, and 70% in New York state were attributed to COVID-19, leaving a number of excess deaths not attributed to COVID-19," say researchers in their findings, a pre-print version of which has been published.

Tales of empty emergency wards with far fewer presenting for heart pain (and other symptoms of serious disease) during the lockdown and the fear phase ring true. Just one unintended cost of endless simplistic fear and staying "safe" health messaging.

Probably should have focussed on protected the elderly and vulnerable. Oh well, only cost a few trillion dollars.

Makes you wonder if the virus had not gone straight into very elderly dominated regions of Italy early on and scared the crap out of everyone what would have happened.

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monkeyboy Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:37am

F.me is this thread still going. Anyone changed their opinion yet ?

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overthefalls Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:37am

Do you think years of cocaine abuse can cause long-term paranoid delusions?

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/eric-clapton-subliminal-messages-co...

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:46am

Excess deaths (Covid plus all other) are a real puzzle. The question is from what?
Very hard to qualify the non Covid deaths into attributable factors.
I think perhaps the barometer of the success of a country in how they handle(d) the pandemic will be this.
For example, a country may do well in terms of Covid deaths but if their total excess deaths (Covid plus other) is very large per capita then perhaps they have not done so well.

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 8:49am

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gsco Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 9:00am

Convince me that the following is not true:

Israel and the overall worldwide omicron experience. Now mandatory vaccination of school children in California. Protests and riots across the globe.

The contradictions, polarisation, confusion, unease, discontent and disintegration continue to accumulate and intensify.

The US political and legal system, media, big tech, police force, military, etc, continue to be increasingly engrained as just tools for the wealthy US corporate elite. US institutions no longer serve in the interests or for the welfare for the US and its people as a whole. Australia is going down the same path.

We are now living in civil and global war times. We are now post fact, truth, evidence, reason, logic, knowledge, history, sanity. We are now post governments operating in the service of the people.

All truth is lost. Everything we see around us is wartime smoke and mirrors, misinformation and propaganda. Just distractions, diversions, deflections. Pure illusion.

All governmental, educational, legal, enforcement, scientific, military, etc, institutions and processes are compromised and corrupted. They are broken and no longer operating based on reason, evidence and truth. They are no longer in service of the people. They are infiltrated and controlled by the wealthy US corporate elite.

There is no separation between the media, governments, science, big tech and corporations. People are unable to discern when a "news article" they are reading is advertising and public relations or when it is traditional, neutral and factual reporting.

The pro covid, pro vaccine & booster, anti natural immunity, etc, side is as dangerous and completely false of a bubble, rabbit hole and echo chamber as any other. The ABC is completely lost in this echo chamber and doesn't realise it; it is not a neutral news service reporting fact and truth.

Government communication, rules, orders and law can no longer be trusted. It is now every man and women for themselves.

All hope is lost.

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overthefalls Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 9:04am
gsco wrote:

Convince me that the following is not true:

Israel and the overall worldwide omicron experience. Now mandatory vaccination of school children in California. Protests and riots across the globe.

The contradictions, polarisation, confusion, unease, discontent and disintegration continue to accumulate and intensify.

The US political and legal system, media, big tech, police force, military, etc, continue to be increasingly engrained as just tools for the wealthy US corporate elite. US institutions no longer serve in the interests or for the welfare for the US and its people as a whole. Australia is going down the same path.

We are now living in civil and global war times. We are now post fact, truth, evidence, reason, logic, knowledge, history, sanity. We are now post governments operating in the service of the people.

All truth is lost. Everything we see around us is wartime smoke and mirrors, misinformation and propaganda. Just distractions, diversions, deflections. Pure illusion.

All governmental, educational, legal, enforcement, scientific, military, etc, institutions and processes are compromised and corrupted. They are broken and no longer operating based on reason, evidence and truth. They are no longer in service of the people. They are infiltrated and controlled by the wealthy US corporate elite.

There is no separation between the media, governments, science, big tech and corporations. People are unable to discern when a "news article" they are reading is advertising and public relations or when it is traditional, neutral and factual reporting.

The pro covid, pro vaccine & booster, anti natural immunity, etc, side is as dangerous and completely false of a bubble, rabbit hole and echo chamber as any other. The ABC is completely lost in this echo chamber and doesn't realise it; it is not a neutral news service reporting fact and truth.

Government communication, rules, orders and law can no longer be trusted. It is now every man and women for themselves.

All hope is lost.

Armageddon! Run for the hills! More paranoid delusions.

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tylerdurden Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 9:04am

Not that bad gsco but there’s some truth in that

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Roadkill Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 9:07am
gsco wrote:

Convince me that the following is not true:

Israel and the overall worldwide omicron experience. Now mandatory vaccination of school children in California. Protests and riots across the globe.

The contradictions, polarisation, confusion, unease, discontent and disintegration continue to accumulate and intensify.

The US political and legal system, media, big tech, police force, military, etc, continue to be increasingly engrained as just tools for the wealthy US corporate elite. US institutions no longer serve in the interests or for the welfare for the US and its people as a whole. Australia is going down the same path.

We are now living in civil and global war times. We are now post fact, truth, evidence, reason, logic, knowledge, history, sanity. We are now post governments operating in the service of the people.

All truth is lost. Everything we see around us is wartime smoke and mirrors, misinformation and propaganda. Just distractions, diversions, deflections. Pure illusion.

All governmental, educational, legal, enforcement, scientific, military, etc, institutions and processes are compromised and corrupted. They are broken and no longer operating based on reason, evidence and truth. They are no longer in service of the people. They are infiltrated and controlled by the wealthy US corporate elite.

There is no separation between the media, governments, science, big tech and corporations. People are unable to discern when a "news article" they are reading is advertising and public relations or when it is traditional, neutral and factual reporting.

The pro covid, pro vaccine & booster, anti natural immunity, etc, side is as dangerous and completely false of a bubble, rabbit hole and echo chamber as any other. The ABC is completely lost in this echo chamber and doesn't realise it; it is not a neutral news service reporting fact and truth.

Government communication, rules, orders and law can no longer be trusted. It is now every man and women for themselves.

All hope is lost.

How very dramatic. You should hide under the bed.

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Dx3 Tuesday, 25 Jan 2022 at 9:11am
monkeyboy wrote:

F.me is this thread still going. Anyone changed their opinion yet ?

Haha spot on. Each to their own, but I do have to smile at the time wasted by the many repeat posters on here that are simply pissing into the wind if they think they will change someone's mind on the whole covid carry-on. But if it helps to pass the day, then play on.

I tend to pop my head in here now and then for a giggle at Blowin and VicLocal going back at each other. Good stuff, keep it up. Neither of you are right all the time, even though you think you are.