Submitted by Blowin on Fri, 06/21/2019 - 08:01
Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.
We have to fight what is in front of us, I am certainly feeling a lot better about our future this week than last week.
"Had the virus kept growing at the same rate it was 12 days ago, we would now have more than 10,500 cases in this country," the Prime Minister said. "That is a tribute to the work that has been done by Australians in getting around and supporting the very sensible measures that have been put if place."
So that’s double of what we do have, and we’ve got 30 (over 70s) deaths recorded, so you could assume we’ve saved 30 (over 70s) lives.
I’m still left wondering about the bang for our buck, if we’d pumped 200 billion into anything else, let’s say suicide prevention, I reckon we’d save more than half of the 6,000 annual completers.
But it’s not that simple I realise, because once you’ve got double the infections, it’s far more likely to increase exponentially from there
Still not convinced we’ve taken the right path but hopeful we can bounce back ok.
It’d be a safe bet we’ve created 30+ deaths as a direct result of the response
The ledger ain’t so clear cut , Shoredump.
FIFO workers neck themselves at a rate of one every two days on average. This is due to family breakdown , loneliness etc as a result of their remote lifestyles.
Perhaps 15 FIFO mongs are still kicking because they’re laid up at home ?
Not everyone is hating the current state of affairs. I’m sure there’s plenty of crew who are enjoying the time with their families and time away from work. I’m sure there’s plenty of people realising that the endless pursuit of more money for more shit consumer goods is a waste of time and that time with loved ones is what it’s all about.
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GreenCT is right, its time to lift the royalties on gas etc and if people complain we will use their allocation to expand new industries here with our own cheap freely available LNG. Personally, as I have said before, we need our govt to take total control of our LNG and use it in our new clean manufacturing and transport / freight future. Its the best way to break the cheap chains of China off our necks and do a totally new thing altogether. They will still buy our quality stuff because they need to, but we can do anything and make anything here and to a higher standard. I still really cant believe we do so much business with a country that kills and locks up and tortures anyone it doesn't like including the doctors that tried to save us from this virus.
Optimist humans have created this crazy addictive world where we think the next gadget is going to make us happy.
We do business with the USA UK Indonesia and the list goes on and they have all done or supported sone pretty fucked up things.
There needs to be some type of reset but who is really prepared to change their personal behaviour.
Start growing your own food and stop eating so much processed crap. Stop buying surfboards made from chemical based products ???
People stressing about not been able to fish now but if you are doing it from a personal boat is that really a sustainable activity with the car, trailer, engine etc
Where I am currently half the houses are holiday houses. How fucked up is this world that we have homeless people and these houses sitting empty for 90% of the year.
So we need to accept a drop in our living standards. What is anyone here prepared to do individually to make change.
It always makes me laugh reading Blowins comments about temporary Visa holders needing to go.
There are a lot of first nation people who think that he and I and many others should just fuck off to where are our ancestors came from.
Look at the fucking diseases we brought here and decimated the original custodians of Australia.
Rather than stopping the education industry maybe the first step is in all schools and universities sustainable living is a mandatory subject.
I think a lot of that would be happening Blowin, and maybe that will reset the masses thinking for the net result of a better life for everyone. Fingers crossed.
The trouble with this downtime is it’s on the credit card. This is not an earnt holiday but a borrowed one, and it will have to be paid back. Paid back by lots of work hours for no reward.
How much time has this jobkeeper/jobseeker holiday bought us?
(genuine question) is it 3 months, or 6?
If you go with 6, and the vaccine takes 18 months to be fully delivered, does that mean we have to splash 600 billion on the covid holiday credit card?
What if the virus mutates, like it might, do we throw down another 600 billion.
What if the vaccine simply takes 3 years not 18 months, are we staying in lockdown and putting 1.2 trillion on the credit card? Or will we spend a shitload until we break from lockdown, then let it spread like we could have done in the beginning. Are we just waiting for the drug, and hope it saves the day once we break.
It’s a very shit situation we find ourselves in, sometimes it’s easier to just take it on the chin, is all I’m saying, and I concede it’s very easy to say it from the sidelines, because if I were Murphy or Morrison I’d be doing the same as them, trying to balance both sides.
It feels like we are aiming for the most unlikely outcome, that it just goes away
GreenCT, for a while now, Ive been looking at my life and how I can de clutter it. Ive always been a pretty simple living kind of person but thought I could do better. Ive recycled and sold most of my boards and now only buy a new one when Ive sold an old one. Grow vegies and have planted at least 10 trees a year for the last 30 years. Half fruit trees and half big carbon sucking tallowoods as well as ironbarks for my favorite honey in different places not just at home. Ive sold my new car and drive an older 4wd which is easy to service and maintain and insure. I do believe in industry and manufacturing everything we need but on a more small scale and more of them. Our LNG can power all we do and in an "on call" way as well using mini base load backup power plants etc.to back up our renewables in regions. LNG road freight for moving our stuff around the country. LNG cars which are already in production. Invest in the new carbon battery research which will replace the toxic lithium batteries and pull more carbon out of the air. Personal fulfillment comes from within and we all know it, but it takes practice and restraint to not indulge in everything your flesh desires. I'd like to see much bigger first home grants to employed young people who's family's have lived here and paid tax for 3 generations. This would help overcome the foreign ownership issue and free up housing. Smart kids should get free uni and become our doctors and professionals without stress. Treat debt like this disease and move around it carefully and with as little exposure as possible. All in all try and live in harmony with what we have been given and write to pollies with your great ideas instead of bagging the crap out of them. One of your ideas just might get traction and change the world.
You sound like one of the people who are part of the solution not the problem which is cool.
I did take an idea about a job creation scheme in the area my family live in to local politicians at all levels plus numerous oeople in government departments.
Didnt need money just help getting the idea out into the community and I was shocked at the lack of interest. So many are all talk no action. For me it wasnt about making money just giving back.
Havent given up just slowed down on that idea.
I have been trying to get some truth on Gaddafi and if he was the monster that was portrayed as he did provide many things to his people. He saw housing as a right.
I agree about supporting first home buyers, Be nice to create modular designs so they dont have to be so big.
Introduce sweat equity, ownership collectives.
One thing that did open my eyes was a discussion with an architect who specialises in sustainable building. We focus so much on creating electricity but for many things related to housing we can find ways to eliminate the need for that electricity.
Think global act local I guess is a good starting point.
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What if we applied Darwinians theory about "survival of the fittest"?
Just carry on as normal even if we're piling bodies 10 ft high including self, family and friends.
Is that not what nature (God) is all about? Mmmm?
Best for the planet?
But the rich would have better outcomes one would think...
Regarding info on Gaddafi, Adam Curtis has a few youtube clips about him.
there's only one tyrant in the gadaffi clinton saga
well two, but only one that was well out of line
Thanks for the link. Tonights viewing taken care of now.
Here is one article I found
Gaddafi was an idealistic ratbag when he was young like many of us but became a noble Bedouin at the end. He looked after his people and lived in a tent. A true arab leader and would still be there if Clinton and Obama hadn't armed the militant Muslim brotherhood and destroyed the entire middle east. It backfired badly on them as the M.B. were giving the weapons to I.S. and the yanks discovered they were getting shot with their own high tech guns in Iraq. Go Hillary.
“We need to start discussing this,” said Professor Tony Blakeley, one of Australia’s leading epidemiologists.
I’m now 3 weeks into an immune system building effort, including an alcohol ban. Nearly cracked last night cooking a bbq but got through
Interesting that stopping the transmission isn't any use, and that the opposite - creating just the right amount of transmission - is the best way forward.
Humanitarian angle aside, maybe we actually need all the chumps disregarding the distancing laws to keep us at the optimal level of infection.
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No more weed for you Andy.
weed? that's DMT-level, terence mckenna stuff...or "i took one tab of acid, but nothing seemed to be happening so i decided to..."
I was on a Facebook buy and sell site and next thing I went down a rabbit hole - I'm just amazed and horrified that there are so many people who are right into that shit, it's just an intellectual race to the bottom.
Well I've decided to stop shaving and getting haircuts during the self-isolation period. Out-of-the-bunker Saddam Hussein is the look I'm going for:
Keep those eyebrows au-naturel as well Stu, channel the spirit of Saddam and John Howard.
Thanks Andy, now I can't unsee that.
It's a bit rough on an otherwise beautiful morning isn't it!
Next time the hairdresser says "can I trim your eye brows too" I'm saying no. It could go badly it seems.
Thats a good read, you barely read anything about this and it kind of answers some questions I've had.
Currently it feels like media and everyone just assumes after these lockdowns that will be it, which just isn't going to happen.
I think this is like diets.
You can do what we are doing and starve yourself, but if you go back to old eating habits after you will just put all the weight back on again.
You can change your diet and make it one that is actually sustainable and you can stick too and lose weight and keep it off.
It's okay if we do this crash course diet now, but if we dont have a sustainable eating plan after, we will just put weigh on or have to go into a roller coaster ride of dieting and bingeing.
Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.
"I was on a Facebook buy and sell site and next thing I went down a rabbit hole - I'm just amazed and horrified that there are so many people who are right into that shit, it's just an intellectual race to the bottom."
there is a great early detroit techno track "no ufos" by juan atkins. the message is, no ufos or aliens or anybody else is coming to save us, we have to save ourselves. i guess it was a response to some of th afro-futursim stuff. although, I love the art, music and films of afro futurism, like run ra.
Indo: "Currently it feels like media and everyone just assumes after these lockdowns that will be it, which just isn't going to happen."
yeah, but for me, it's more that people (scummo included) keep talking about 6 months or whatever until there is an "after these lockdowns". it's going to be at least xmas - the conditions now - or worse- are what we have to put up with until a vaccine is developed, distributed, and administered. just going on what the experts have said from the outset, i guess the vaccine will be a late xmas present and maybe jan-mar next year we will be queuing to get jabs. until then, this is it. *
some positive news: the graph "Epidemiological curve of confirmed COVID-19 cases by likely source of infection and notification date in NSW, reported up to 8pm 4 April 2020" on this site
shows that locally-acquired cases in nsw at least seem to be dropping as well as imported ones. If that's accurate (hard to be 100% sure when you can't test everyone) then it's fucking excellent news
* all except the anti-vaxers that is
Good news for now but -
"“We are likely to see multiple waves,” said Professor Catherine Bennett, chair in epidemiology at Deakin University.
In the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, communities that dealt best with the first wave of deaths tended to see larger second waves. Australia’s winter will likely be worse than summer and our hospitals will have to deal with flu victims as well."
What was that article, the hammer and the dance?
We haven't started the dance, we've barely implemented the hammer.
I know it's not healthy to push positivity too hard...but is it reasonable to expect a significantly better flu season than normal...with all the hand washing promotion, lockdowns, social distancing, border closures...plus I would expect a huge increase in numbers of people getting the jab??
My ageing mum went and got the jab when she normally wouldn't.
I think even Blowin would agree that Scott Morrison is doing an excellent job at present along with his side kick Josh.
My reading on the coronavirus is life will not really return to normal until a vaccine is available. In the meantime people at risk of severe complications will have to isolate themselves and the rest of us will increasingly contract the virus unless the current social distancing rules continue. The current containment strategy seems to be all about not having our hospitals and ICUs inundated with people suffering severe symptoms and unless people do take heed that risk to our hospitals could be greater than 6 months. We have our winter to get through with the normal flu season. Getting the normal flu and CV isn't advised from mortality rates overseas.
I know someone in the UK just now recovering from coronavirus. His symptoms developed quickly (headaches, fever, exhaustion). In the UK formal testing isn't routine, you fill out NHS online questionnaires and follow the advice given. Even now at day 22 since symptoms first appeared no test has been offered to see if he is clear. Fortunately his living circumstances allowed him to self isolate and friends delivered food to his door. He is very fit and healthy normally but the virus totally knocked him out for 14 days. Fancy living in a small flat for 22 straight days suffering the virus, no formal test?
I haven't seen much discussion about life after the virus yet, pretty sure many businesses will go under never to resurface and people made unemployed will mostly never work again, people's superannuation balances / retirement plans will be trashed and government, even LNP ones, will most certainly have to raise taxes.
Edit: To optimist point above: Any objective assessment of the government's performance during the coronavirus must start with the questions: (1) why weren't our boarders closed in early February including strict/supervised quarantining or returning Australians and (2) what damage would (1) have done to the AU economy, business, employment and way of life compared to the strategy eventually put in place.
Personally I'm thinking of going for the ''your half hour is up at the hair salon'' look.
I agree Guy, should have been earlier but it wasn't and I don't think anyone was ready regardless of who was in power. At least the clean up team seem to be doing Ok but it was a shame they were less than a rapid response unit. Politicians seem to live in denial for some reason. NSW health Hazzard Brad needs to lose his job though that's for sure. Maybe his Aunty was on the one of the ships.
After thinking about the whole thing more and after working for the Australian Govt in China on a project in Beijing, I know exactly where the Asio office is there and wonder why they weren't on to it immediately and why didn't they report the outbreak to Australia as soon as it happened. It would have been impossible for them to not know something when it first happened last year...Should they be renamed Lazio. Should we look at them first of all for an overhaul of the current system.
guy, i think that the current lockdown situation is meant to buy us time till three things exist:
1. as you mentioned, vaccine
2. quick, effective testing
3. discovery of drugs that alleviate, reduce manage symptons
quick, effective testing will probably by first to come along. if everyone can test, say each morning, then only non-infected people will be out and about. that will make a big, big difference and dramatically reduce infection rates and so give us more time for 1 and 3 without lots of people getting sick.
this is all just my speculation and does not come from any informed sources.
till then, it's total lockdown for me. no leaving the house. and all food that is delivered has packing removed at door and is doused with isopropyl aclohol.
"I think even Blowin would agree that Scott Morrison is doing an excellent job at present along with his side kick Josh."
This is going to be a real test for Blowin positive week thing if he reads that.
I agree, but I'm sure Blowin doesn't.
Got to give Blowin credit though, if it was him calling the shots we would have closed our borders first day, still think his high interest in it all is only because it came out of China though :P
Optimist....not sure why you think ASIO wasn’t aware of the outbreak or it’s impending repercussions for Australia ?
Perhaps because your mate Scott Morrison did nothing you’ve chosen to believe that it’s the result of him being uninformed.
That’s a very lenient and generous take on Scott’s performance. I appreciate you putting a very positive spin on his efforts. Particularly considering the evidence to the contrary.
Especially loving how Scott and Josh have managed to spend hundreds of billions on a blanket welfare system which somehow still managed to exclude the most vulnerable members of our community....the casual workforce they created from a nation of secure employment.
That was fairly controlled response Blowin, i was expecting to see much more and then one minute latter a
Yeah, they're doing just great. A masterclass in disaster capitalism and never letting a crisis go to waste.
Here’s some positive news !
ALP is coming out of the closet. Chances are that the electorate will soon realise they’ve completely abandoned the Australian people from who they formerly gained legitimacy and we may finally get a viable political party who isn’t in thrall to neoliberalism.
Wonder how big of a carrot's been dangled in front of that grub.
Note that the rest of the ALP have disowned him.
I have to apologise Blowin, My original comment "I think even Blowin would agree" was because I was bored and I was chuckin my lure under the big old log in the river to see if there was a mangrove jack under there and I disturbed your peace.
Yep your all right, no excuses for whats going on, stuffed if I know guys. I certainly would have done everything differently and so would you guys... but now it is what it is.
That angle about ASIO being onto it very early is good, especially after what happened with SARs and how the Chinese promised the world at that time that they would shut down those wild animal food markets. From what Ive read it's the ruling classes in China that have appetite for wild animals and that there are up to 20,000 battery type farms inside China meeting the demand. If this doesn't force them to ban such practices nothing will and its best we all become preppers and await the next pandemic. That's the other thing that must change after all this is over, the world's attitude towards and acceptance of China and all its manifestations. Strong and earnest debate must be allowed to heard and acted on.
Heard about a procedure called convalescent plasma transfusion where blood plasma from someone who has had and recovered from the virus is given to another with the illness. The principle is that the recovered person has the antibodies needed to fight off the infection in other patients. It has been done for over a century and is successful against the SARs virus, even the Chinese were using the technique in Wuhan. Not all doom and gloom
There might be a catch because no mention of it in the media or maybe it's been drowned out. However if the oncologist in the Radiolab podcast is initiating the treatment on her 80yo father in law it must have some chance of success and be a safe option
@ Stunet, Shit ! I think that might be my uncle in that picture.... Was wondering where he went.
Fasting For Health....Thought I'd try and contribute something practical to build your strength and immunity. You'll need less groceries and toilet paper too.
3 DAY METHOD: If your not on essential medication you can give this a shot.
First have a few days on just fruit and veg, no sugar, meat , coffee, bread etc.
You'll need the purest water you can get, heavily filtered or distilled is best. Quality rainwater is good too if you know someone with a tank and I'd filter it as well.
DAY 1...Get started with a big drink of water, you can put a couple of drops of apple cider vinegar in it if you like but it must be the one with the "Mother". Find a good book and take walks. Do your normal chores, it'll rattle you a bit but your all good. Go to bed early and remember , nothing but water.
DAY 2...Your thinking this was a shit idea and wheres my cuppa...be strong have a big drink of water and take a walk. Look at the nature around you, feel the vibe. Rest a lot today and do your normal chores. You may feel a bit weak and spacey but its all good. You may notice your wee is getting a bit darker so all the junk is starting to leave your cells and body. By the end of day 2 you will have nailed it and found the rhythm. Your feeling mentally strong now because you've conquered your flesh.
DAY 3.....Pretty weak now but feeling a sense of being, keep plenty of water up, take walks, read and rest today, I would be in the new testament of the bible for about 8 hours on this day. Your feeling calm and focused, your body has cleaned itself simply because it has nothing else to do. It is a miracle machine.
END OF DAY 3 or morning of day 4...Your call...Finishing the fast properly is nearly as important as doing it. SO..grate a plate or bowl full of carrot and cabbage mixed. Nothing else. You can put a few drops of apple cider vinegar on it if you want.
This is your broom, the junk in your intestines has loosened off the walls and now your going to sweep it out. Eat the whole big bowl, sounds boring but man it'll taste good....Give it a half a day then go back to your normal life.
Its a great time in isolation to do the fast. Who knows you may even hear Gods voice. You will most certainly be a lot healthier.https://www.dymocks.com.au/book/the-miracle-of-fasting-by-patricia-bragg...