Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 1:46pm

Yeah there's a fair bit of that double-dipping going on - some people are going to get a pretty good bill when the ATO catches up with them.

And according to old mate Zeihan in Blowin's link:

"For most of the developed world, mass retirement and complete consumption collapses aren’t simply inevitable, they’ll arrive within the next 48 months."

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 1:59pm

Back to Larry Blair, does the footage of the Coke contest heat with WL and himself exist on the net anywhere? Youtube used to have it, waves were absolutely smoking too. Was location that sandbar at North Steyne? The times I drive past I have a look to see if it's as good, no luck so far.

Larry is a great surfer.

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Johknee commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 2:30pm

This'll 'please' some posters re: housing in Aus......from the ABC - "Interest-only loan reset hurting borrowers despite the rate cuts"

Retired police officers Peter and Bronwyn Dwight built up a large property portfolio to fund their retirement.
"After I got interested in property investing, I read so many books on the matter and I decided to create a goal to make a goal for 30 properties," Mr Dwight told 7.30.

"I think we got up to 16 income-producing properties and that meant we didn't quite reach our goal."

"But, hey, we set a goal for Mars and we landed on the moon."

Most of their properties are currently in interest-only periods.

"We went with interest-only mortgages because they provide a cash flow, you're not paying off the loan, as such," Mr Dwight said.

They took out a 30-year loan with the Commonwealth Bank on one of their properties.

For the first 15 years, they only paid interest on the loan — with three separate five-year interest-only periods.

When the most recent interest-only period reset this year though, the bank would not give them another interest-only period.

So they faced having to repay the principal in just 15 years.

"If it was going to revert to the principal and interest on the current interest rate that they had, the payments would have gone from about the $2,000 per month up to close to $7,000 a month," Ms Dwight said.

"Which just wouldn't have been financially viable for us to maintain, it would have forced us into having to consider selling a property before we were ready to do so."

After over "14 or 15 applications" to different banks, the Dwights were able to finally secure another interest-only term.

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 4:09pm

Inspirational aspirationals!

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 4:10pm

From what I know Johknee it’s a timebomb. Huge numbers of property investors took out interest only loans including 10s of thousands boomers with SMSFs. As your story mentions they need to be renewed periodically and the banks will increasingly take a hard line in renewing given the times. Of course one of the main beneficiaries to these arrangements are mortgage brokers who get fees and ongoing commissions each time a loan is renewed. The sort of parasitic industry that didn’t exist just a few years that was utterly savaged in the Banking RC, not that the government did anything about it.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:06pm

"But, hey, we set a goal for Mars and we landed on the moon." x "Apollo 13"

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:14pm

A pair of retired coppers with 16 houses built on debt.

Nothing wrong with the real estate industry !

Greedy bastards deserve to be destitute . I’d love to see them bragging about their toilet paper style hoarding of housing to a few beefy millennials who’ve been saving their slots off and still nowhere near buying a home in which to shelter their families.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:18pm

Those guys got refi - they can continue to live the dream.

So come September when rent moratorium/repayment moratorium ends, what then? Is that the Kaboom? Do we see renters chucked out? Do we see landlords liquidating properties to get their repayments down?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:42pm

IO will be extended another 12 months.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:45pm

Party On.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:45pm

If you're thinking of buying a house, I'd be waiting until Spring.
Who knew there might be a problem with hundreds of thousands of people deliberately running losses on a rental properties for tax purposes?
Smoko ran the anti-negative gearing fear campaign pretty strongly last year, and D Day is in September. I understand that a shit load of LNP MPs have multiple properties that are negatively geared. Shame if a few of them went bankrupt and weren't allowed to sit in parliament. We all know that it's not going to happen because their big business mates would bail them out, but we can dream.

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:47pm

It's quite surreal, there is no consequence any more.

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:52pm

Both sides of politics are up to their snouts in property, lots of Labor people got skin in the game in the inner suburbs

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 6:54pm

What's the bet the aspirational pigs - let's call them Joh & Karen - voted for the current federal government?

Actually, I'd wager Joh went Liberal and Karen went One Nation. Big business and bigotry! Match made in heaven!

Yew!

Australia! You're standing in it!

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 7:02pm

Yes Guy Smiley, Labor MPs have negatively geared properties but there's a few libs with 10+ properties. I'm sure Gina would be happy to buy a few at generous prices just in case a LNP MP's finances got a little tight.

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JQ commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 7:04pm

Ask yourselves, can you think of anything that Scomo and his merry fellows wouldn't do to keep propping up the property market?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 7:05pm

Hardly .

No one with such a deep indebtness in the population Ponzi wants to upset the apple cart with talk of reducing immigration. Wouldn’t matter if they were head Klansmen .

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 7:12pm

JQ....nothing.

Scotty is the real estate prime minister.

There’s going to be mind blowing shenanigans involved.

I can imagine the government buying distressed properties as social housing. Perhaps renting them out as “ quarantine locations “ for incoming international students / visa holders.

Immigration is going to be through the roof whether it’s Lib or Labor.

ALP already propositioning for a Bait ‘n switch using the temporary/ permanent migration angle. They’ve learnt from the LNP - demonise one form of incoming arrivals whilst firehosing another to blow immigration numbers to record highs.

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JQ commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 7:23pm

Carn Blowin, there's much more to this than just bloody immigration.

Migration of any flavour isn't likely to be too popular for some time I'd say. They'll have to find another way to prop up our economy...

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 8:00pm

This is pretty funny

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Distracted commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 8:31pm

All this crap about a housing crisis when Joe and Karen and their fellow baby boomers have 13 investment properties. the ABC estimates there are 730,000 interest only property loans . Majority would be property investors and if they weren’t investing and driving prices up there wouldn’t be a housing shortage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-19/coronavirus-combines-with-end-to-...

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 19 May 2020 at 10:21pm

yep that's definitely an input distracted

change of subject, watch as Argentine coastal air patrol overflies 400 factory ships strip mining their squid from within their national waters, and also a marine sanctuary:
(in Spanish)

https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/aguas-nadie-400-barcos-extranjeros-depre...

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goofyfoot commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 6:15am

Where are the boats from VJ?

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Distracted commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 7:34am

The Guardian refers to the boats being from East Asia but could probably interpret that as China.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/01/stealth-plunder-of-a...

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:36am

....a bit assumptuous there distracted...

a bit bloody downright racist possibly...

"The Guardian refers to the boats being from East Asia..."

sounds like possibly a fair assumption though...

the guardian's new polite word for china,?

I could be wrong, but I'd put money on china...

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:33am

"...Republicans throughout this time were usually as bad or worse on these issues, but Democrats have lately positioned themselves as the more aggressive promoters of strong-arm policies, from control of Internet speech to the embrace of domestic spying. In the last four years the blue-friendly press has done a complete 180, going from cheering Edward Snowden to lionizing the CIA, NSA, and FBI, and making on-air partners out of drone-and-surveillance all-stars like John Brennan, James Clapper, and Michael Hayden. There are now too many ex-spooks on CNN and MSNBC to count, while there isn’t a single regular contributor on any of the networks one could describe as antiwar.

Democrats clearly believe constituents will forgive them for abandoning constitutional principles, so long as the targets of official inquiry are figures like Flynn or Paul Manafort or Trump himself. In the process, they’ve raised a generation of followers whose contempt for civil liberties is now genuine-to-permanent. Blue-staters have gone from dismissing constitutional concerns as Trumpian ruse to sneering at them, in the manner of French aristocrats, as evidence of proletarian mental defect.

Nowhere has this been more evident than in the response to the Covid-19 crisis, where the almost mandatory take of pundits is that any protest of lockdown measures is troglodyte death wish. The aftereffects of years of Russiagate/Trump coverage are seen everywhere: press outlets reflexively associate complaints of government overreach with Trump, treason, and racism, and conversely radiate a creepily gleeful tone when describing aggressive emergency measures and the problems some “dumb” Americans have had accepting them.

On the campaign trail in 2016, I watched Democrats hand Trump the economic populism argument by dismissing all complaints about the failures of neoliberal economics. This mistake was later compounded by years of propaganda arguing that “economic insecurity” was just a Trojan Horse term for racism. These takes, along with the absurd kneecapping of the Bernie Sanders movement, have allowed Trump to position himself as a working-class hero, the sole voice of a squeezed underclass.

The same mistake is now being made with civil liberties. Millions have lost their jobs and businesses by government fiat, there’s a clamor for censorship and contact tracing programs that could have serious long-term consequences, yet voters only hear Trump making occasional remarks about freedom; Democrats treat it like it’s a word that should be banned by Facebook (a recent Washington Post headline put the term in quotation marks, as if one should be gloved to touch it). Has the Trump era really damaged our thinking to this degree?

My family is in quarantine, I worry about a premature return to work, and sure, I laughed at that Shaun of the Dead photo of Ohio protesters protesting state lockdown laws. But I also recognize the crisis is also raising serious civil liberties issues, from prisoners trapped in deadly conditions to profound questions about speech and assembly, the limits to surveillance and snitching, etc. If this disease is going to be in our lives for the foreseeable future, that makes it more urgent that we talk about what these rules will be, not less — yet the party I grew up supporting seems to have lost the ability to do so, and I don’t understand why."

interesting stuff...

scary developments...

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/democrats-have-abandoned-civil-liberties

...to those who's reaction is always to dismiss the source, .....constantly, stubbornly, annoyingly, pigheadedly, ...taibbi ain't no right wing nut job...

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Dale -Cooper commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:39am

But you are, Sepp.

Or am I being 'assumptious'?

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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garyg1412 commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:45am

I just can't get my head around the rape and pillaging of marine ecosystems around the world like this example in Argentina. This stealth fishing technique by what most reports and evidence you see nowadays is being carried out by Chinese fleets around the globe is disturbing to say the least. Just think of the mindset here. You have a bunch of people that decide to take their business to the other side of the world to completely decimate the commercial industry of another soveriegn country. It's like them dropping their combine harvesters in your paddock at night, harvesting your crop then fucking off before daybreak. Ask the Somalis how this selfish business plan worked out for them.

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:52am

no more than you grammar nazi, not big on poetic license are you?

bloody typical authoritarian english teacher type...

I think you got a sprecial mention in taibbi's article

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Dale -Cooper commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 8:58am

I bet you're a wiz at Scrabble too, Sepp.

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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sypkan commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 9:03am

better than you think brown overall boy

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AndyM commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 9:34am

Yeah Syppo, it seems like the “progressive” parties in both the US and Oz have either been wedged into supporting pro-authoritarian legislation or actually believe it’s for the best.
As the bloke on the street bleats “if you’ve got nothing to hide...”

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etarip commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 10:38am

If what I saw in Micronesia is anything to go by, the fishing fleets will be operating under plenty of flags. PRC, ROC, ROK, Malaysia...

But, then again, few of the countries other than PRC would have the diplomatic cojones to do it so brazenly in the EEZ of a sovereign nation on the other side of the world...

But,

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 11:21am

Didn't you know Gary, the South Sandwich islands are undisputed Chinese sovereign territory. Some Chinese bloke was fishing there in a row-boat in the early 16th century, drew a map on a napkin and claimed it for China. They can't find the map now but doesn't matter because they say it's so.

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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 11:41am

The other day I posted a link to Matthew Evan’s TV show called What’s the Catch. Recommended. You would be sick if you knew how Asia grows and feeds the prawns on your pizza. Ponds under pig pens so your prawn grew up on pig’s shit or how they dredge the sea floor and grind up whatever they find and feed that to the prawns. It’s absolutely fucking disgusting how this happens and that we allow this shit into the country. There has to be a reckoning and maybe Covid19 is just the start. I get so fucking angry how the environment is fucked over time and time again for the moneeee

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 11:49am

In addition to that Guy, I recently watched a doco on the Norwegian salmon farming industry, which I'm guessing the same processes and procedures are replicated around the world.

As much as I love it, I can't eat salmon now.

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garyg1412 commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 12:00pm

GuySmiley. I always wonder why they pull people up at customs with food in their bags but then let farmed prawns like you mention into the country. Personally I'd rather eat that weird shit they confiscate at customs than the imported prawns.

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H2O commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 12:16pm

@indo - good one!

@ guy - Worked in a chicken factory (in Australia) in uni holidays. Anything inedible to humans in the 6 week old hormone and antibiotic fed chickens was ground up and added to chook feed in the feed mill to be fed back to the next generation of chooks.

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 1:33pm

Back to those South American fishing boats, I later saw images from space and the conglomeration of boats issues more light than the cities of Argentina, that was a total mind snap to consider.

This stuff was in a 'tragedy of the commons' chapter of a book I read some years ago called 'The Meaning of the 21st Century' by a noted futurist. But I had no idea they would light up like a city. I have fond memories of being on WA cray boat, leave at 3 am in the darkness, you could see a few other little lights heading out to the horizon in the calm morning sea & you knew it was other crews and boats, very mellow as the sun rose (on nice weather day, swell <2m). To imagine this scale of factory fishing is incredible.

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garyg1412 commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 2:26pm

VJ we used to go to a mate of mines shack which was about 50km down the coast from JBay back in the 80's. This shack was a 3 hour 4WD mission to get to with candles at night for lighting it was so basic. During squid season the boats would sit about 5km off shore and it was like daylight inside the shack. You could literally read a book it was so bright. We used to collect all the lost squid jigs off the beach and jag them on the split pole walls of the shack as a feature. Can't see too many split poles anymore - just squid jigs. Probably no squid left around those parts nowadays.

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zenagain commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 2:34pm

VJ a couple of times a year here the Japanese sit offshore catching bioluminescent squid that make their way to the surface in their millions. I could say billions but Vic might take me to task on that as I have no verifiable link. Anyway the boats are rigged with dozens of lights (I think most have changed to LED's now) but are so bright that the fishos can't have one patch of skin exposed or their skin fries.

It's quite pretty looking our my living room window watching them twinkle away out at sea.

edit: appears to be same same Gary, just different parts of the world.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 4:00pm

At what point does the electorate realise that the Victorian ALP are utterly compromised by the Chinese government and should be disbanded under a no confidence motion ?

They don’t even try to pretend that they’re not beholden to the CCP. Signing up for the Belt and Road is signing up to become an official tributary/ vassal state of China.

Manchurian Dan and Co cannot bow deeply enough for their Chinese masters .

Remember when the Chinese flag was flown above the Box Hill police station....FFS.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victorian-treasurer-s-china-comm...

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:33pm

Fuck, Who leaked the memo about Dan Andrews "signing up to become an official tributary/ vassal state of China."?
Blowin is on to us commies in the Victorian ALP. I wonder if he knows about the Vic Government bunker in the Kremlin. Dammit, I've said too much.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:39pm

Drew Pavlou expelled. Facing three years gaol if charge of contempt of court is successful.

Australian pro-democracy activist assaulted by Chinese nationals in Australia. The Queensland Chinese Consulate congratulated the Chinese thugs on their “ spontaneous display of patriotism “ and was then made an honorary professor at Queensland University.

Drew complained and went public with his plight . He was subjected to death threats from Chinese living in Australia.

The UQ tried to silence him and has now expelled him .

Chinese incursion into Australia is out of control.

Fuck off China !

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/04/queensland-university-pledges-l...

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:45pm

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JQ commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:44pm
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Blowin commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:49pm

Classic , JQ.

I don’t suppose you saw any of the online petitions started by property investors who demanded that the government guarantee their rents ? The comments were all time.

Just as funny is the people who are still determinedly saying it’s not a bubble.

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JQ commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:56pm

The level of entitlement is pretty staggering, though not surprising.

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Vic Local commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 5:59pm

Blowin, I'm just mocking your opinions because that's precisely what your conspiratorial nonsense deserves.
So fucking what if the Box Hill Police flew a Chinese flag on China's national day? Box Hill has a large number of Chinese residents and the police want to have a good relationship with all people in their local area. One flag on one day sends people like you, and the cultural warriors, into an angry moral panic. Fuck, you get triggered so easily.
Dan Andrews signs on to the Belt and Road. You have zero knowledge of what is in the contract, but it's sent you into a frenzy claiming Andrews is beholden to his masters in Beijing. No matter what China does, you disapprove it.
Your racism is just fucking pathetic.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 20 May 2020 at 6:13pm

I’ve only just now realised that your posts are satirical, Vic Local .

Took me long enough.

Funny !