Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Hiccups Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:41pm
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Hiccup/Vlocal

I am wondering if you guys were at the BLM protest in Melbourne that got fined for breaching covid restrictions ?

Will be interesting today to see how the lefts trade union protests go . I hope they prove me wrong and are not violent . Hiccup , take some dope there to help calm things down .

"Take some dope there"? What are you, a christian youth minister circa 1972?

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:43pm

Tom Tanuki, Not going to even click on his video to give him any extra views, made that mistake before this guy is the biggest attention seeker loser ever, i never knew there was such a thing as a far left wing bogan, but this guy is proof there is, guy is total trash, so full of shit and hates on everyone and everything trying to grift on their higher profiles full potty mouth too...

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:44pm
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yes Brutus and that's exactly my point. They survived without it on the front line and are now being mandated or coerced to get it or lose their jobs. Disgraceful.

you are aware that the Delta variant is this years problem and it's a lot more infectious than the original ?
3000 health workers lost their jobs in France as they wouldn't vaccinate , as the Government see's unvaccinated people in the health system as dangerous to others.
The USA is now mandating Govt workers need to be vaccinated...

you find it disgraceful , but you are a minority...I can imagine that you chose not vaccinate......so would you be prepared to sign a waiver that if you got sick from Covid that you would not use the Health system?

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Hiccups Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:46pm

lol

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:47pm

VLocal - I have seen a CFMEU demo and their building sites . Stacked with super heavies from the Hells Angels etc. To intimidate their own workers . They do a very good job .

No one from any other group , especially from the right , would be able to influence what this far left group wants to do . They don't like their leader at the moment as he is Dan's pocket .

You know this to be true !

The 70 year old women was purposely bowled over , broke her hip and the spayed in the face while lying defensively on the ground . True good police are horrified and the bloke who did it will regret it for the rest of his life . Is is being investigated .

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:49pm

The comments in Real Rukshan’s live feed pretty much sums up the intelligence. Just a bunch of nutters regurgitating the same old same old that princess snowflake blowin and shorty post.

Most of these guys are being played and don’t know it, pawns in a bigger game.

They love calling each other brother.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:51pm

Where do I sign Brutus? And I would hope that you too would sign that you wont either for anything you've brought upon yourself. Fairs fair?

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:53pm

For sure hiccups once the feminine divine spirit rises up it will go to a new level..

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 12:57pm

But roadkill who's been laid off work for 2 weeks by his elected government continues to bury head and blame those standing up to the bullies. Not the bully themselves. Weak and similar behaviour seen in domestic violence cases where the spouse supports the abuse. Wild. And apologies if i'm getting you mixed up with VL. I keep getting you guys confused.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:04pm

Unfortunately its likely to get violent from here... Fingers crossed they hold it together.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:02pm
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But roadkill who's been laid off work for 2 weeks by his elected government continues to bury head and blame those standing up to the bullies. Not the bully themselves. Weak and similar behaviour seen in domestic violence cases where the spouse supports the abuse. Wild. And apologies if i'm getting you mixed up with VL. I keep getting you guys confused.

Still laughing at your dumb as fuck why arn’t they vaccinated comment…when it was pointed out to you there were no vaccines available..lmao..and you tried to walk it back and change what you were implying.
That was and still is GOLD.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:04pm

Protesters throw bottles first.…provoke cops into responding….protesters cry and play the victim.

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Snuffy Smith Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:05pm

Support for these?

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:06pm

Roadkill, cmon I thought you were sharper than that. I clearly said they were on the front line in 2020 (when there was no vaccine let alone a requirement) and they survived. And now fast forward to 09/21 they are being required to get the vaccine or loose their job..? Make sense?

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:10pm
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Roadkill, cmon I thought you were sharper than that. I clearly said they were on the front line in 2020 (when there was no vaccine let alone a requirement) and they survived. And now fast forward to 09/21 they are being required to get the vaccine or loose their job..? Make sense?

Garbage…you got caught out. So funny. GOLD. Keep digging dummy.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:21pm

Ok roadkill not sure what you are on about but glad you are having a laugh.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:28pm
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Ok roadkill not sure what you are on about but glad you are having a laugh.

Your acquiescence clearly displays you were caught out.

You are, the gift that keeps on giving.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:37pm

"Tom Tanuki, Not going to even click on his video to give him any extra views, made that mistake before "
Perhaps you should have clicked on that video ID. Tanuki was scathing about his union sitting on the vaccine fence.
I thoroughly agree with his opinion that the union should have shown leadership and pushed a pro-vax line based on good public health. Union members should be getting vaxxed so they don't increase the chances of getting and passing Covid 19 onto their colleagues and their families.
The union sat on the fence and a large number of their members got red-pilled by the anti-vax grifters.
The union also failed to enforce social distancing and other covid safe practices on sites. Now every union member is out of work for 2 weeks. Setka should stand down. He's a bum.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:50pm

Real Rukshan live in Melbourne on FB right now is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:56pm
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Real Rukshan live in Melbourne on FB right now is the gift that keeps on giving.

They are all getting pissed now.

How many people are here he asks? Hundreds and thousands was the reply. I think that tradie was thinking of his fairy bread his missus packed for his lunch.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:03pm

OK Brutus…..Ive said for ages that Covid in Australia is no worse than the flu. I also said that the case fatality rate is 0.42%.
Seems you’re the one talking shit bloke. You’re a panic monger. Talking rubbish about being at war with a virus and children are extremely vulnerable. I know you don’t make it up, you just swallow every extreme fear headline you can get your eyeballs around. Stop yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Australians need to get over this media induced scare campaign ASAP and muppets hyping up the fear only makes the situation worse.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...

“ This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.“

“But new data shows the rate of deaths from coronavirus so far this year is similar to a bad influenza season“

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:05pm

'all getting pissed now' Really? All of them? Every single one of them? Not trying to smear at all are you roadkill?

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:08pm
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'all getting pissed now' Really? All of them? Every single one of them? Not trying to smear at all are you roadkill?

None of them would get vaccinated in 2020…psst Shorty, there was no vaccination available…sssshhhhh. GOLD.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:10pm
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Where do I sign Brutus? And I would hope that you too would sign that you wont either for anything you've brought upon yourself. Fairs fair?

you don't have to sign anywhere....it's more of a philosophical question......that for a $20 jab could save our medical system tens of thousands of $'s.
So if you get sick from Covid you will not use your medicare and go to hospital?
As for me well I chose to pay my medical bills myself , haven't had a medicare card for a couple of years.....all my treatments self funded !

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mpeachy Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:13pm

Just to clarify, the rest of the sentence in the SMH article you linked says that it is because of increased vaccination that the fatality rate is now comparable to the flu

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:14pm

Punitively punishing hundreds of thousands of construction workers in Victoria because a few gronks threw some shit at an office.

That’s got nothing to do with public health. Anyone encouraging that kind of totalitarianism needs kicking in their withered old ball sack. Could you even imagine the largest industry in Victoria being sidelined for a handful of people acted out a few years ago? That’s how far down the slope we’ve come that people accept this shit as normal. It shouldn’t be accepted at all.

Workers should simply continue going to work and fuck Dan Andrews right in his pussy.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:26pm

Brutus-"As for me well I chose to pay my medical bills myself , haven't had a medicare card for a couple of years.....all my treatments self funded !"

Not sure but I thought everyone needed a medicare card . Aren't they free ? Could help especially when we get older . I am not talking about Private Health insurance .

We all pay for our Public Health system which is generally very good . Please look into this for you and your family !

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:17pm
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OK Brutus…..Ive said for ages that Covid in Australia is no worse than the flu. I also said that the case fatality rate is 0.42%.
Seems you’re the one talking shit bloke. You’re a panic monger. Talking rubbish about being at war with a virus and children are extremely vulnerable. I know you don’t make it up, you just swallow every extreme fear headline you can get your eyeballs around. Stop yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Australians need to get over this media induced scare campaign ASAP and muppets hyping up the fear only makes the situation worse.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...

“ This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.“

“But new data shows the rate of deaths from coronavirus so far this year is similar to a bad influenza season“

Blowin there you go again now it's Covid Australia , before it was just Covid......LOL.

how many white fellas again....85% or 67%......you accuse me of fearmongering ,, but coming from a liar , sorry not much credibility Blowin......I guess we will see in the next few mths as the Covid Flu spreads in Australia.......I am sure you would know that 85% of hospitalizations in Vicco are unvaccinated.....
I'll put this to ya.....if you are so confident that Covid is just a flu....did you have a vaccination ?

So who in the media stands to gain from the scaremongering?

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:19pm
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Punitively punishing hundreds of thousands of construction workers in Victoria because a few gronks threw some shit at an office.

That’s got nothing to do with public health. Anyone encouraging that kind of totalitarianism needs kicking in their withered old ball sack. Could you even imagine the largest industry in Victoria being sidelined for a handful of people acted out a few years ago? That’s how far down the slope we’ve come that people accept this shit as normal. It shouldn’t be accepted at all.

Workers should simply continue going to work and fuck Dan Andrews right in his pussy.

spoken like a true.....anarchist ?

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:20pm
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OK Brutus…..Ive said for ages that Covid in Australia is no worse than the flu. I also said that the case fatality rate is 0.42%.
Seems you’re the one talking shit bloke. You’re a panic monger. Talking rubbish about being at war with a virus and children are extremely vulnerable. I know you don’t make it up, you just swallow every extreme fear headline you can get your eyeballs around. Stop yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Australians need to get over this media induced scare campaign ASAP and muppets hyping up the fear only makes the situation worse.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...

“ This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.“

“But new data shows the rate of deaths from coronavirus so far this year is similar to a bad influenza season“

Yep..lets mislead to suit your agenda as usual.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:20pm
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Just to clarify, the rest of the sentence in the SMH article you linked says that it is because of increased vaccination that the fatality rate is now comparable to the flu

It would say that. Well Australia is still only just over 4 in 10 fully vaccinated and this has increased massively in only the last few weeks. Covid fatalities take weeks of lag so the claim that vaccinations are responsible for the lowered death rate is disingenuous. Particularly as a decent percentage of those dying are vaccinated.

Case fatality rate 0.42 % = survival rate of 99.58 %. I’ve been taken apart by the wankers on here for repeatedly stating this fact. Do the people who were wrong reconsider their fear mongering? Do they here the public statement that Covid in Australia is no more deadly than a bad flu year? No ….they block their ears and pray for more extreme fear headlines so they can continue to berate people who don’t share their chicken shit, soft cock fear levels.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm
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Just to clarify, the rest of the sentence in the SMH article you linked says that it is because of increased vaccination that the fatality rate is now comparable to the flu

now that's a bit sensible for SN.....any idea how many people with the flu , get hospitalized and go into ICU?

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm
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Just to clarify, the rest of the sentence in the SMH article you linked says that it is because of increased vaccination that the fatality rate is now comparable to the flu

now that's a bit sensible for SN.....any idea how many people with the flu , get hospitalized and go into ICU?

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm
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Just to clarify, the rest of the sentence in the SMH article you linked says that it is because of increased vaccination that the fatality rate is now comparable to the flu

now that's a bit sensible for SN.....any idea how many people with the flu , get hospitalized and go into ICU?

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garyg1412 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:23pm

Blowin in all fairness can we really compare Covid deaths to a bad flu season. With flu seasons we have let the particular flu virus "rip" through the population. Genuine question here - what do you reckon the consequences would be and what would the comparisons be like if we just let Covid rip through the population.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:27pm

"Punitively punishing hundreds of thousands of construction workers in Victoria because a few gronks threw some shit at an office.

That’s got nothing to do with public health. "

Once again blowin dives into the deep end without being able to swim.

Hey blowin you dopey fucker, you do realise covid clusters have been popping up on job sites all over the Victoria? You do realise construction workers have been taking covid to the regions all over the state? You do realise construction workers have low vaccination rates and high levels of non-compliance with covid safe protocols?
The riot was just the last straw and the industry was shut down to get it's shit together.
Yes that's shit for the blokes doing the right thing, but what choice did Andrews have?
It's the morons in the construction industry that caused this problem. Andrews just had to choose the least shit option.
I find it absolutely stunning that you point the finger at Andrews when it's the fucking idiots on sites causing all the problems. You'd be crying if Andrews didn't shut the industry down and new case rates went through the roof too.
I know who is to blame for this. It's every construction worker who didn't wear masks properly, cried about their tea rooms, didn't check in to job sites, didn't want to get vaccinated because they are morons, and every shop steward who turned a blind eye to the breaches. etc etc etc.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:28pm

Brutus you fucken clown. Call me a liar? I’ve just proven you wrong again you daft bastard. How many times do you need to be wrong before you check your attitude? Sort your shit out bloke.

And stop spreading fear. You’re like an evil old lech telling the kiddies that a wolf will sneak into the village and eat them. Covid in Australia has a 100 percent survival rate for people under 20 yet you can’t tell your lies quick and thick enough to I still fear in them. That’s evil shit.

Now you’re back to harping about the percentage of Australians who are white European aka not Asian

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:29pm
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I am a moron, Punitively punishing hundreds of thousands of construction workers in Victoria because a few gronks threw some shit at an office.

That’s got nothing to do with public health. Anyone encouraging that kind of totalitarianism needs kicking in their withered old ball sack. Could you even imagine the largest industry in Victoria being sidelined for a handful of people acted out a few years ago? That’s how far down the slope we’ve come that people accept this shit as normal. It shouldn’t be accepted at all.

Workers should simply continue going to work and fuck Dan Andrews right in his pussy.

Blowin yeah right it's all about fucking Dan Andrews,Duh!

try listening to the nurses....but I know you won't read a link as it will be a bit much for you.....so how about the 95000 nurses?
Lisa Fitzpatrick, Victorian secretary of the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation, said she was speaking on behalf of her 95,000 members who are on the frontlines of the state’s coronavirus response, testing for the virus and caring for sick patients.

“Nurses, midwives and carers are exhausted as they watch protesters fight for their right to overwhelm our health system,” Ms Fitzpatrick said.

The union movement has not supported mandatory jabs when imposed by employers. Some unions, such as the Victorian building unions, have gone further and said they don’t support the government’s decision to impose a mandatory jab rule on the construction industry.

Victorian CFMEU boss John Setka said the union was pro-vaccination but did not support making the jab mandatory.

He has said only a minority of the protesters yesterday were union members. (Some protesters today and yesterday are clad in high-vis wear, but it’s impossible to say if they are construction workers).

“Aged care nurses and carers have seen hundreds of their residents contract COVID-19 and die without loved ones with them,” Ms Fitzpatrick said.

“Do not leave all the heavy lifting to nurses, midwives and personal care workers. Only respectful dialogue, not violence, can resolve the issues driving people apart.”

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sypkan Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:34pm

"I thoroughly agree with his opinion that the union should have shown leadership and pushed a pro-vax line based on good public health."

that's because you are a facist

"Union members should be getting vaxxed so they don't increase the chances of getting and passing Covid 19 onto their colleagues and their families.
The union sat on the fence and a large number of their members got red-pilled by the anti-vax grifters."

or...

the union tried to balance and represent the wishes of their members... which is what unions are supposed to do... when they are not run by facists...

"The union also failed to enforce social distancing and other covid safe practices on sites. Now every union member is out of work for 2 weeks. Setka should stand down. He's a bum.

every member is out of work for 2 weeks because of an over reactive trigger happy power tripping government

setka is a bloody legend

again...

considering...

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:37pm

Readings a bit much for me? Sure Brutus. You’re a fucken Rhodes Scholar bloke.

Geez ….with all these cases there must be millions of Covid deaths in Victoria in 2021 hey? And I bet there must be hundreds of thousands of people NOT in aged care dying hey bloke?

Stop your fear mongering. It’s sickening. Chicken shit soft cocks should be gaoled for instilling the fear contagion through our country.

It’s almost always sad old men ….how many young healthy people are scared like you wrinkled old scrotums? Fuck all!

Go hide in your basements amd let the rest of the world live their lives.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:43pm

"Case fatality rate 0.42 % = survival rate of 99.58 %. I’ve been taken apart by the wankers on here for repeatedly stating this fact"
Ha ha blowin. You've done it again.
You've been repeatedly taken apart on this site because you get your figures so hopelessly wrong. You got taken apart because you kept spreading bullshit about a 99.98% survival rate. You've just adjusted your figure, AND IT'S STILL WRONG YOU DOPEY FUCKER.
Total deaths (1167) divided by total cases (87101) = a death rate of 1.34 percent or a survival rate of 98.66%.
I mean, how stupid do you have to be to still get that wrong? This is like year 6 maths mate. My kids could work these really simple equations out when they were about 5 years old.
About the only thing in your comment you got correct is calling everyone "wankers". After all, everyone knows that 5% of blokes are wankers and the other 95% are liars.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:51pm

I think you’d better read the link I posted before you dig your hole deeper.

It’s not my figure. It’s the official statistic. It’s the 2021 stat. Times change and the situation evolves. You should try evolving. Perhaps try not being a shouty fascist hypocrite for a while?

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:49pm
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I am a moron,Readings a bit much for me? Sure Brutus. You’re a fucken Rhodes Scholar bloke.
Geez ….with all these cases there must be millions of Covid deaths in Victoria in 2021 hey? And I bet there must be hundreds of thousands of people NOT in aged care dying hey
Stop your fear mongering. It’s sickening. Chicken shit soft cocks should be gaoled for instilling the fear contagion through our country.
It’s almost always sad old men ….how many young healthy people are scared like you wrinkled old scrotums? Fuck all!
Go hide in your basements amd let the rest of the world live their lives.

oh dear Blowin, so did you get a vaccine ,it's a yes or no question?

you keep dribbling along about the deaths , maybe you can read but maybe comprehension is your problem......its about our under resourced health industry........

Chicken shit soft cocks ....wow Blowin you are getting deep now, does that go with a philosophical point of view I don't know about , LOL!

It seems you blame us older people who actually a lot more life experiences than you will ever have....and actually don't have comprehension issues like you.....

hey no hiding in the basement like you would do...am very active and actually helping other people deal with the unknown future.......it seems like you are the terrified/angry one....get onboard and join the vaccinated , get your passport and be happy that you have choices!

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:52pm

Survival rate is one thing , living with long covid is something else . You need lungs to surf .

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:55pm

VicLocal - I will go with your figure which is still VERY high . " a death rate of 1.34 percent or a survival rate of 98.66%." Admittingly there is long covid to worry about .

Can you PLEASE check Troubleshooters maths and stats . If he is right it BLOWS all your views out of the water . If you don't respond I will believe them to be accurate and your views on vaccination to be complete BS . Having the vax is then a huge waste of money and time !

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:54pm

I’ve had my first vaccine.

So you’re a comprehension specialist now, Brutus? Sure you are bloke. You’d better get off the phone mate,….Mensa is probably trying to get a hold of you.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 2:59pm

Oh gawd….long Covid? That old fallback. More fear mongering bullshit.

Over 205,000,000 people in the world have recovered from Covid and you’ll still hear the same guestimation based off an 80 person sample of which 16 people said they still felt a bit off a few weeks later. You know why there hasn’t been a study involving 50,000,000 people still struggling with Covid a year later? Because it’s 99.9999% bullshit.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:08pm
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I’ve had my first vaccine.

So you’re a comprehension specialist now, Brutus? Sure you are bloke. You’d better get off the phone mate,….Mensa is probably trying to get a hold of you.

If you are so sure that Covid is just a flu why get vaccinated ya pussy!

sorry gotta get back to work for awhile , havent had this much entertainment for awhile...stay safe Blowin,LOL!