Vaccinate or not
not acab?
hang on a minute
I thought the world was much more black and white than that...
Just a reminder of the simple, indisputable facts.
The Covid survival rate for Australians under the age of twenty is 100%.
The 2021 all Australian survival rate for Covid is 99.58%.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...
Since the Wuflu hit Australian shores there have been approximately 43,000 avoidable deaths in Australia ( not including Covid). This equates to 79 avoidable deaths every single day. Clogging up our hospitals and emergency services.
Does this make headlines? Does anyone demand that an avoidable death recipient be denied emergency treatment? Does the entire population go into house arrest to prevent this massacre? Do people get ostracised and shamed by institutions and media and the public for becoming a potential avoidable death statistic? Do the authorities demand that people no threatened by avoidable death get treated for avoidable death with an injection only approved for emergency use?
No to all of the above.
Why is that?
"This is what it boils down to in Victoria:
From Victoria's Charter of Human Rights Act: - "This Charter binds the Crown in right of Victoria and, so far as the legislative power of the Parliament permits, the Crown in all its other capacities."
Here's just one provision:
"A person must not be subjected to medical or scientific experimentation or treatment without his or her full, free and informed consent."
A giant question mark when someone is told their job and family's livelihood depends on them agreeing?"
geez you guys lose me when you start quoting charters and constitutions and shit
but each to their own...
whilst yes, that's a part of it...
I'd bet most people in that street don't give a fuck about your sentence stalking
Sorry to change the subject but I was at the stock feed joint yesterday buying chook feed and saw a bloke buying three packets of Ivermectin.
I guess it could have been legit, or he might have been stocking up.
Just thought I'd chime in and say this thread has given me a great deal of entertainment lately. Thats all, as you were gents.
Blowin wrote:Just a reminder of the simple, indisputable facts.
The Covid survival rate for Australians under the age of twenty is 100%.
The 2021 all Australian survival rate for Covid is 99.58%.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...
Since the Wuflu hit Australian shores there have been approximately 43,000 avoidable deaths in Australia ( not including Covid). This equates to 79 avoidable deaths every single day. Clogging up our hospitals and emergency services.
Does this make headlines? Does anyone demand that an avoidable death recipient be denied emergency treatment? Does the entire population go into house arrest to prevent this massacre? Do people get ostracised and shamed by institutions and media and the public for becoming a potential avoidable death statistic? Do the authorities demand that people no threatened by avoidable death get treated for avoidable death with an injection only approved for emergency use?
No to all of the above.
Why is that?
It is that way because of lockdowns, because we have kept large infections of covid out of the community, because we have learnt how to treat people with it, because our hospitals have capacity…the survival rates in Australia in 2020 and 2021 are good, but in the grand scheme irrelevant. You really are a moron that you can’t get that or you really are a moron that you deliberately choose to ignore it to further your bias or you are simply a moron (as well as a liar).
@FR, I had to get some for my horses last year on the vets advice. I had to ring the vet and pass the phone to the stock feed guys to validate from the vet. :)
pretty sure this guy had no paperwork.
anyway, not making assumptions, it may have been legit.
It just caught my eye.
Craig wrote:It isn't meaningless, it's statistics and proven.. There's an exponential increase in death rate skewed to the elderly.. Check the linear scale graph.
Then regarding the log-graph (1st one)..
"This near linearity on a logarithmic scale corresponds to an exponential increase—from age 35, the annual hazard increases at an average 9.7% a year for men and 10.4% a year for women. This means that, in normal circumstances, the average annual risk of death doubles for each seven years of extra age (since a 10% a year increase (1.1) over seven years leads to a total increase of 1.17, which is roughly 2).
Hi Craig. Do you mind posting a link to the source of these graphs please?
Yep, here ya go Don.. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259
Thanks Craig. Hope you're keeping well.
The article is a year old now. Wonder if the stats have changed much with Delta?
Yep, just have to keep out of these forums a bit ;)
Just watched a video of a complete muppet in hi viz, swearing at and filming the media. He was breaching the anti-lockdown laws and got arrested. He then starts crying about being arrested for getting his wallet out.
FFS. These absolute fucking morons are very quick to claim victimhood.
Your people blowin, shortenism, Hutchy, sypkan et al.
who's claiming victimhood problem child?
I have a problem with fascism
and fuckheads...
you tick both boxes
Vic Local wrote:Just watched a video of a complete muppet in hi viz, swearing at and filming the media. He was breaching the anti-lockdown laws and got arrested. He then starts crying about being arrested for getting his wallet out.
FFS. These absolute fucking morons are very quick to claim victimhood.
Your people blowin, shortenism, Hutchy, sypkan et al.
Hahaha, I am waiting for my manager to arrive he showed my guys in Hi-vis jackets , snorting coke in between rounds of anger/rioting in a laneway...will try and post it this arvo LOL.
Blowin wrote:I surf with a copper most days and he’s a nice bloke. So is the ex copper at the bottlo.
All pig cops are coppers but not all coppers are pig cops.
If you’d taken a second to think about what I said before staging your next vitriolic attack on anything I post you’d probably agree.
My next vitriolic attack on anything you post hey?? Not really mate - don't flatter yourself. I actually agree with some of your views and enjoy some of the stories you post. But every now and then you come up with the most absurd comments that are so blatantly wrong I just thought I'd call you out on them.
Getting back to your copper mate who is a nice bloke in the surf. How much do you know about him and what he does. Same with that cop in the video. As I said it wasn’t a good look, and I had a good think about what you said, but unless you know exactly who he is, what his rank is and what his orders were, don’t go tarring everyone with the same brush based on a 30 second video viewed from your armchair of which you know nothing about.
Most cops are not your stereotypical "pig cop" and the problems of humanity they deal with daily would make your toenails curl, and then they have to deal with these situations as well.
Vic Local - “ I’m not a fascist but……..”
It's on Brown cardigan Insta Brutus.....party time
how's this cat?
one hell of a cheerleader...
and 'scientist'...
what strikes me about this story, is, he's a weird nexus of too much cyber world and the ever growing libertarianism some of us have spoken about on here...
without overstating it... I reckon this guy is a little glimpse of the future ...a twisted future...
I think Brown Shirts would be a more appropriate Insta handle for those interested in that kind of working class snitching and betrayal.
Brutus has never taken Coke and never been consumed by anger…..guffaw.
sypkan wrote:who's claiming victimhood problem child?
The anti-lockdown anti-vax moron breaking the law.
FFS sypkan, it's not that complicated mate.
I've been to a few protests mate, and when an environmentalist gets dragged away, at least they do it with some basic dignity. They all know locking on to equipment will lead to their arrest. They know it ends up in court and the usual result is a few days of public service. Do the crime do the time. Cut the grass and do a bit of maintenance at the local school for a few days. Job done. No crying.
It's the right wing sooks who genuinely think they've been hard done by for being complete and utter fuckwits and breaking the law. It really is pathetic.
Can't wait for these dogs to get their comeuppance.
garyg1412 wrote:Blowin wrote:I surf with a copper most days and he’s a nice bloke. So is the ex copper at the bottlo.
All pig cops are coppers but not all coppers are pig cops.
If you’d taken a second to think about what I said before staging your next vitriolic attack on anything I post you’d probably agree.
My next vitriolic attack on anything you post hey?? Not really mate - don't flatter yourself. I actually agree with some of your views and enjoy some of the stories you post. But every now and then you come up with the most absurd comments that are so blatantly wrong I just thought I'd call you out on them.
Getting back to your copper mate who is a nice bloke in the surf. How much do you know about him and what he does. Same with that cop in the video. As I said it wasn’t a good look, and I had a good think about what you said, but unless you know exactly who he is, what his rank is and what his orders were, don’t go tarring everyone with the same brush based on a 30 second video viewed from your armchair of which you know nothing about.
Most cops are not your stereotypical "pig cop" and the problems of humanity they deal with daily would make your toenails curl, and then they have to deal with these situations as well.
Ask yourself this: If your boss ordered you to threaten unarmed and otherwise innocent Australians with a rifle because they weren’t wearing a paper face mask despite being alone outside, would you comply or refuse?
My honest answer is that I’d refuse. It goes against every fibre of my being to run around with my finger on the trigger of a rifle and scream orders at innocent people. That’s totalitarian bullshit. That’s pig cop stuff. No two ways about it and no need to delve deeper. It’s black and white. It’s just a job for money, plenty of jobs around. No amount of money gets me to threaten innocent people with firearms because some wok-eyed fuckstik politician has arbitrarily declared them an enemy of society.
How many times has this Vic Local clown repeated his fantasy about “right wingers”? It’s a fetish.
Is there anyone who honestly thinks this Vic Local thing isn’t a little man desperate to control and subjugate others? I guarantee his missus treats him like a door mat. Then again….he does have that Alan Jones angry Queen vibe about him….
It certainly reinforces the belief that it’s the cowards who youve got to watch. As Ringmaster said, Vic Local is a little mouse in the flesh. He’d love to be dressed up in the riot armour with a few dozen fellow pig cops surrounding a handful of unarmed Australians.
Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke.
The fascist cheers when the heavily armed government oppresses the evil people who took their face masks off whilst outside. No one is surprised. The fascist feels no need to temper or hide his excitement at the public being oppressed by the jackboot of the state.
Welcome to the New Australia. A land where effeminate Baby Boomer AirBnB property investors cheer on totalitarian governments and violent armed police oppression of innocent Australians.
Blowindowntheright wrote:I think Brown Shirts would be a more appropriate Insta handle for those interested in that kind of working class snitching and betrayal.
Brutus has never taken Coke and never been consumed by anger…..guffaw.
ah blowin , you are a case study in nastiness, LOL....so now it's the brown shirts....low but appropriate for you .....and WTF genius has the Hi Vis union blokes snorting coke in public at an illegal demonstration to do with me?
Baby boomers were born before 1961. I think VL is Gen X.
"How many times has this Vic Local clown repeated his fantasy about “right wingers”? It’s a fetish."
the 'man' is totally delusional
And now the rabble mob are protesting at the Shrine of Remembrance. What an insult to the diggers. They didn't fight so RW thugs could riot in the streets of Melbourne.
Hey blowin, It's like your scum mates are trying to be the most hated people in the country.
Game over blowin. You and your dog mates lost. Decent society has won, and you're on the wrong side of history.
And we won't be forgetting who cheered on and organised the mob. Dan Andrew could take a dump in Fed Square and still win the next election because the LNP are cooked for encouraging the dogs.
You reckon he’s under 60? It’d only be by a year or two if true. He’s got that ageing conservative greed pig thing going on. You know the one where the people who’ve had no power their entire lives finally come out of the closet and openly express their desire for violent armed men to force everyone around them to do as they order them. No longer hindered by societal pressure to hide the screaming fascist who lurks inside, they now find solace in the realisation that they aren’t alone and there’s other scared old men who too want heavily armed riot squads to subjugate the world around them.
It’d be sad if there literally wasn’t a thread of those blokes right here demanding more violence against innocent people just because the innocent people don’t conform to their will.
"Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke."
they just had two experts on abc challenging this 'narrative' about the mob being stacked with 'right wing provacateaurs'
they both basically said it is bullshit
one of them analyses online hate groups, the kind of expert vicvocal loves to idolise... she said they are there, but undoubtably a minority
but don't expect vicvocal to change his narrative any time soon, donny lemon esme has at least a few months to peddle his propaganda bullshit before the truth is irrefutably revealed... then he'll continue anyway... its what cnn does...
its the russians!
still...
Blowinupanddown wrote:The fascist cheers when the heavily armed government oppresses the evil people who took their face masks off whilst outside. No one is surprised. The fascist feels no need to temper or hide his excitement at the public being oppressed by the jackboot of the state.
Welcome to the New Australia. A land where effeminate Baby Boomer AirBnB property
investors cheer on totalitarian governments and violent armed police oppression of innocent Australians.
Blowin, or you could say that a bunch of self centred people , knowingly broke the law and risked infecting the community with their selfish actions. Police were hospitalized by the rioters , the only innocents are the people obeying the law.....the rest are criminals and should be treated as such!
Vic Local wrote:Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke.
TBH I kind of feel sorry for blowin. He is someone obviously brought up in a environment with no love, no respect for others or anything that he deems unnecessary, probably zero elders or community minded figures around to teach him how life really is...desperate and angry all the time.
It is sad to watch.
Vic Local doesn’t do facts or self awareness. He thinks it’s enough just repeating his lies over and over in a shouty voice, using the kind of language he’d never in a million years direct at anyone in real life.
sypkan wrote:"Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke."they just had two experts on abc challenging this 'narrative' about the 'right wing provacateaurs'
they both basically said it is bullshit
one of them analyses online hate groups, the kind of expert vicvocal loves to idolise...
but don't expect him to change his narrative any time soon, donny lemon esme has at least a few months out of his bullshit peddling before the truth is irrefutably revealed...
again....
Angry man screams…why were those people not vaccinated?
Calm man…because no vaccines were available.
Still GOLD!
Gawd- now Roadkill , the superstar Kiwi tradie is back squirting more drivel out of his orifice. Let me guess….you’re not a psychiatrist? That was basically an opposite assessment of my life.
"Baby boomers were born before 1961. I think VL is Gen X."
he clearly hasn't aged well...
which just exposes the scared little conservative 'lock the gate' baby boomer lurking within...
Blowin wrote:garyg1412 wrote:Blowin wrote:I surf with a copper most days and he’s a nice bloke. So is the ex copper at the bottlo.
All pig cops are coppers but not all coppers are pig cops.
If you’d taken a second to think about what I said before staging your next vitriolic attack on anything I post you’d probably agree.
My next vitriolic attack on anything you post hey?? Not really mate - don't flatter yourself. I actually agree with some of your views and enjoy some of the stories you post. But every now and then you come up with the most absurd comments that are so blatantly wrong I just thought I'd call you out on them.
Getting back to your copper mate who is a nice bloke in the surf. How much do you know about him and what he does. Same with that cop in the video. As I said it wasn’t a good look, and I had a good think about what you said, but unless you know exactly who he is, what his rank is and what his orders were, don’t go tarring everyone with the same brush based on a 30 second video viewed from your armchair of which you know nothing about.
Most cops are not your stereotypical "pig cop" and the problems of humanity they deal with daily would make your toenails curl, and then they have to deal with these situations as well.Ask yourself this: If your boss ordered you to threaten unarmed and otherwise innocent Australians with a rifle because they weren’t wearing a paper face mask despite being alone outside, would you comply or refuse?
My honest answer is that I’d refuse. It goes against every fibre of my being to run around with my finger on the trigger of a rifle and scream orders at innocent people. That’s totalitarian bullshit. That’s pig cop stuff. No two ways about it and no need to delve deeper. It’s black and white. It’s just a job for money, plenty of jobs around. No amount of money gets me to threaten innocent people with firearms because some wok-eyed fuckstik politician has arbitrarily declared them an enemy of society.
Righto then!!! By the way I didn't know Dan Andrews was Asian!! Better change that before Vic Local sees it.
sypkan wrote:"Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke."they just had two experts on abc challenging this 'narrative' about the mob being stacked with 'right wing provacateaurs'
they both basically said it is bullshit
one of them analyses online hate groups, the kind of expert vicvocal loves to idolise... she said they are there, but undoubtably a minority
but don't expect vicvocal to change his narrative any time soon, donny lemon esme has at least a few months to peddle his propaganda bullshit before the truth is irrefutably revealed... then he'll continue anyway... its what cnn does...
its the russians!
still...
Sypkan, do you think there is any chance the Government will back down and listen to the "protestors" ?
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:"Ohhhhh diddums.
Poor blowin is feeling a bit sad because the great big Melbourne revolution has run out of puff. The RW rabble had their 15 minutes of shame and they are now the most despised dogs in the state.
It's high farce in Melbourne today with about 100 or so fake tradies running around the city. blowin's hero Avi "the wife bashing grifter" is madly trying to find the hi viz dogs to get some footage. He's actually running behind the police lines trying to find the idiot mob.
No wonder blowin is lashing out. His dog mates are a fucking joke."they just had two experts on abc challenging this 'narrative' about the 'right wing provacateaurs'
they both basically said it is bullshit
one of them analyses online hate groups, the kind of expert vicvocal loves to idolise...
but don't expect him to change his narrative any time soon, donny lemon esme has at least a few months out of his bullshit peddling before the truth is irrefutably revealed...
again....
Angry man screams…why were those people not vaccinated?
Calm man…because no vaccines were available.
Still GOLD!
wtf are you on about?
you miss the point so often you clearly aren't the brightest spark
but you are 'educated'...
looking down your nose like a grumpy old pompous git
another wannabee baby boomer good guy, loaded up, locking the gate, and billing the kids...
If risking infection amongst the community is what this is all about, when are the riot squad going to pick up Scott “No federal quarantine facilities “ Morrison and Dan “ Diversity pick and mate’s rates prioritised over proper quarantine “ Andrews?
It’s not about public health it’s about conditioning Australians to be arbitrarily repressed.
The fact that Bunnings has been open and packed throughout 90 percent of lockdown proves this true.
Blowin wrote:Gawd- now Roadkill , the superstar Kiwi tradie is back squirting more drivel out of his orifice. Let me guess….you’re not a psychiatrist? That was basically an opposite assessment of my life.
Hey blowin. To be fair on Roadkill his assessment of you can only be based on your rants on this forum, and his assessment is spot on. Your rants are 1. very angry, 2. very stupid and 3. completely lacking in any humour or self-awareness.
Go for a walk champ and have a good hard think about this.
We never found out the extent of the education which elevates any and all of Roadkill’s opinions above that of the uneducated hoi poloi.
Vic Local :
“You’re a dopey fucken idiot right wing dog cunt stupid fucking nut job facing idiot dopey clown dog who needs to be hit with a truncheon and sent begging and kicked out of society which is what a dopey fucken dog cunt idiot deserves”
Also Vic Local:
“Your rants are very angry and completely lacking in humour or self awareness. “
"Vic Local doesn’t do facts or self awareness. He thinks it’s enough just repeating his lies over and over in a shouty voice, using the kind of language he’d never in a million years direct at anyone in real life."
maths isn't his only 'on the spectrum' skill...
that much is patently obvious
Vic Local wrote:Your rants are 1. very angry, 2. very stupid and 3. completely lacking in any humour or self-awareness.
You're looking in the mirror there VL.
It's not a question, it's a statement.
Ahhhh Glady's B headline statement “At 80 per cent additional freedoms will be for those who are fully vaccinated,” the Premier said.
Then right at the bottom of the article "it would be a “period of time” after that before unvaccinated people can enjoy those same freedoms"
Hahahaha hilarious... In other words you might have to wait a few days... Don't fall for the propaganda and coercion ppl. The reality is we will open for all one way or another.
That fella standing with arms crossed yesterday getting barked and charged at by a SWAT cop pointing a weapon at him.. BE THAT MAN! Hold your ground.
VL sure is aggressive in his manner.
BTW. I think it's pretty funny he thinks a guy sitting in his bedroom in hi vis giving his 2 bobs worth with no better incite than anyone else, is good journalism.
While bags a journalist that goes right into the action and actually shows what's happening and speaking to the people involved.
FFS guys, stop the personal attacks. We're down-staff at the moment and under an enormous workload due to Covid travel restrictions, and don't have the time to keep on top of this.
I'm moving this thread to the political forum so it'll stop from appearing on the homepage and bringing down the tone of the site.
But seriously.. some of you really need to have a think about taking a break from the forums.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?