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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:13pm

Over in the US at the mo and just watched Cory Booker whip the crowd up at the DNC. It was a great speech, twitter is lighting up, some saying he just won the 2024 presidential elecction.

Part way through he went in through Maya Angelou's opening lines which had me spinning that she'd written the lyrics that Ben H made known to me....You may write me down in history, with your bitter twisted lies, you may tread me in the very dirt, but still like the dust I'll rise.

"America we will rise" was on repeat and might be the new, yes we can.

Another great line was, if you wanna go fast go alone, if you wanna go far, go together.

It was actually pretty powerful, which is in stark contrast to the rest of the democratic stuff I've seen this past few weeks. It's all been very weak. They're rattled for sure.

As for Triggs, I still don't know what she's done wrong. tonybarber, I don't think you've been able to articulate it beyond vague references to the qut affair. As far as I could tell she did her job there. Perhaps you just aren't a fan of the commish?

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tonybarber commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:16pm

Well, you have not followed Triggs lack of action as a Human Rights Commissionner. It's not about politics or Abbott or Murdoch (can't see that connection) but just spend a bit of time on the latest stuff up, the QUT issue. If you reckon she is doing a great job then you haven't read the full story - it is messy and a lot he said, she said but it's simply a stuff up.
Regardless, she won't be looking after the NT detention issue, that will go to the commissioner for children.

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:20pm

I've read a bunch of the press after you suggested I do so a month or so ago, and yet I have a different view from you. I'm asking you to explain to me what you think she did wrong. You've never explained that. You've just batted it away saying go and read articles. Tell me, what exactly do you think she did wrong?

I've never said she's doing any kind of job one way or the other.

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tonybarber commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:21pm

Flip the coin, and prey advise of any good Triggs has done ?
As an exercise, write a letter to the commish and ask for the meaning of 'racism', 'offend' or any other word or phrase you feel should be part of her 'expertise'.

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:28pm

So you can't tell me what she's done so wrong that has upset you?

There's no flipping of a coin here because you're the one making the claims, tonybarber, not me. I've expressly made no claim as to her competence. I'm asking you for an explanation of your position.

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:32pm

For a bit of Maya Angelou, I saw this only a couple of years ago after she died. The poem she wrote and performed for Clinton's inauguration in 93. I found it an eloquent and elegant call to look after the planet and each other (albeit drenched in a good bit of American idealism, and even perhaps exceptionalism). The rhythm of the reading is wonderful I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59xGmHzxtZ4

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floyd commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 12:59pm

tones don't answer questions tones just puts the barb out there

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 1:19pm

Trump on twitter:

"If Cory Booker is the future of the Democratic Party, they have no future! I know more about Cory than he knows about himself."

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 1:24pm

I try to keep it civil on the internet because it's usually a boring echo chamber of snivelling teenage angst written by people claiming to be grown ups. That said, trump is a lying buffoon. Whatever he says on twitter is a waste of space on the cloud.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 1:30pm

Been searching book shops for a physical copy, might have to buy one off the intrawebs.

That was actually a reference to White Earth that Turkey mentioned.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 1:33pm

Barber... Here's the deal..... I cant' stand Alan Jones.... 95% of what he says I totally disagree with..... But when he says something I do agree with, I do not confuse that with his other opinons.... An example is coal seam gas on the Liverpool plains.... i absolutely agree with Jones....... Now having said that, what Triggs said last night was right on the money;

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/26/northern-territor...

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 1:38pm

"He's got a hard-on for Triggs like Doggo has for Flannery and Shorten. I don't mean that literally. I think."

Beats having a hard on for myself, like you, big fella...

Sheepdog

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 2:07pm

"Beats", "hard on", "big fella"

fnar fnar

Calling Dr Freud!

Anyways, trouble in "Team Butthurt", Tory & Doggo?

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 2:18pm

You liked the wordplay, turkmanistan? Knew you'd get a kick out of that...
And still runniing with my butthurt line..... Ah, Stan..... So predicatble..... Stanley Coights Aussie adventures.....
Insert more butthurt below vvvvvvvv

Sheepdog

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 2:48pm

Can we get a fatwah put on 'butthurt' and anyone that uses it?

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 3:05pm

"Can we get a fatwah put on 'butthurt' and anyone that uses it?"

I find the use of fatwah in this context offensive..........

lol

Sheepdog

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 3:15pm

Anyone? No matter how the term 'butthurt' is 'used'?

But (!) it's such an interesting term. Well...

I mean it's got US cultural imperialism in there, homophobia, irony, post-irony ie authenticity. Erm.

In all seriousness, it's fucked. Figuratively. Literally.

I renounce S(a)tan and all his works. Death to non-believers. Fuck the begrudgers.

Team Delusional/Dogging it is. Carry on.

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 3:57pm

You really cant discuss anything without personal attack, can you Stan.... It's beyond you.... You can't even make the effort for a bit of light hearted fun... It always has that stench of elitist holier than thou Boltism....
King of the trolls.... All hail the great Stan....

Anyhoo, back to the actual convo, which is far more interesting than stanley's self pleasing..

Speaking of Andrew Bolt, I went and had a look at his blog, knowing he and his minions would be salivating at 4 corners.... if anyone wants to know what is wrong with the psyche of this nation, check out som of the comments here......
A sample;
" So goes Turnbull taking the populist route and spending taxpayers money whilst grovelling to partisan Triggs. How about mother Triggs takes the boy into her home for a month and everything will be alright?"

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/commen...

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:23pm

And speaking of more butthurt, from THE AGE;

"Facebook has confirmed it removed graphic footage from ABC's Four Corners program of children being assaulted and mistreated at a Northern Territory youth detention centre.
Four Corners' producer Sally Neighbour said on Twitter she was "flabbergasted" to learn Facebook had censored the videos.
"This beggars belief," she wrote.
"It was CCTV vision from within the prison system that Adam Giles' government runs."
In a statement issued to the ABC, and later posted to Twitter, Facebook confirmed it deleted the footage after it was reported by members of the Australian public."

Sheepdog

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tonybarber commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:26pm

Bensk, position is that I don't believe Triggs has any credibility with respect to Human rights. She has failed on at least two major accounts in the last five years. In order to try to get clarification on several 'rights' terms or words ( for want of a better way), I asked the relevant commissioners (there are several) to clarify directly. For a mere mortal average public member, there was either a confused response or go ask a lawyer. But a telling point was her silence on the deaths of refugees.
Certainly, Triggs said the right words following the Four Corners. And so did all. More will come out since there were reviews of this centre previously, so heads will roll.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:32pm

The mufti's given it the ok Dog, the boys will be around tonight.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:35pm

Are one of those 'major' accounts the uni student denied a computer in the Aboriginal study 'cos he was white? The IPA made a hell of an uproar about that, even produced videos featuring a cleverly dressed and righteous fellow linking it to all manner of evils. 

Couldn't quite get with the indignation: A computer? A uni student? A one line Facebook post?

Was kinda pathetic the effort they went to drawing a bow across our civil rights.

So yeah, hope that isn't one of them.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:37pm

The mufti has also put the word out against use of the following words in Australia:

ass
butt
dude
lol
bathroom (where there is no bath)
restroom
pronouncing the letter z "zee"

and finally, finishing spoken sentences with "so, yeah".

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:39pm

"and finally, finishing spoken sentences with "so, yeah"."

But starting sentences with that is cool?

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batfink commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:43pm

Blowin wrote

"Already doing it Batfink.

Access to quality food and fresh water will be for the wealthy - even more so than now .

Its not exactly a stunning revelation to say that access to water is going to be a massive deal in the not too distant future.

There is some good land available not too far from decent surf in Australia still at an acceptable price , we are very lucky."

Can you pm on this site. Would like on off-line conversation blowin. Don't want everyone to know where I'm going. :-)

And thanks for the welcome Island Bay, sorry to hear that NZ is also being filled with idiots, thought the virus might not have got to NZ yet, seems to have infected the rest of the western world, and the middle east has the mutated version.

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batfink commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:52pm

Re neoliberal economics and academics, don't believe that they knew what they were doing, that is the least likely.

Academics really do sit on high and pontificate, largely without the feedback mechanisms from the world around. They are interested in what other people think, but only if those other people are academics. Whether it works in the real world is largely immaterial. "Did my theory bring about the destruction of the world? Well yes, that may have been the outcome, but that doesn't mean my theory was wrong!"

I don't mean to be down on them, but I've worked with a long time now and still barely understand them. Largely though, they are insulated, academically gifted (which is a very different term from 'intelligent') and emotionally, well, let's just say they are inchoate.

I've got a whole treatise ready to write on them. It's a fascinating world where the lunatics run the asylum.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:54pm

Hang tight Stu, I'll have to check with the mufti.

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batfink commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 4:59pm

Sorry AndyM, crossing over conversation here.

Yes, the Bolivian water rights thingy was mind bogglingly scary.

I recall finding out years ago that the rain that hits your roof is not yours to keep, and if you are collecting it in tanks, you can still be charged water rates for that water collected.

I'm pretty sure that's still the case, everywhere in Australia I think. They just haven't had the gall to try to enforce it. Anyone got updated information on that. I think it was a pretty fundamental part of law.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 5:16pm

No probs Batfink.

With regards to what you're talking about, one council I knew had a way around it.

The council was "water mining" this particular place and was pumping the water over to the mainland and selling it to the public as their town water.

To make sure the big boys got maximum profits, all water tanks were declared illegal on account of the "potential health risk" supposedly posed by mosquitos breeding in the tanks.

I believe that's changed in recent years but was the case 15 years ago.

And Stu, I spoke to the Mufti and he kinda mumbled in that big beard but it sounded like "so many pedants in one place".

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 5:38pm

AndyM...... Perhaps Stu should replace "fatwah" with "point the bone", considering the currnet convo? .....

:/

Don't think the mufti would complain...... So yeah......

Sheepdog

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 5:43pm

"Point the bone" Fnar fnar...

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 5:46pm

Re' Jillian Triggs...... She is right..... The detention of people is now the norm..... Without trial.... Behind closed doors.... Inhumane....... She articulated it better than I ever could..... I hope Indo and co' checked it out.... It's been my argument forever re' detention camps.... It changes the way a nation holds itself....

In the words of jello Biafra;

"There's a prefab building and a funny smell
Around the hill outside of town
Every now and then we wonder,
but we shrug our shoulders and get back to work.
There's a railroad there and trains go by.
And there's people locked in cattle cars".............

Sheepdog

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 5:54pm

Saturday Night Holocaust! One of their very best.

Batfink, those pesky intellectuals, hey? What are they building in there?

https://theconversation.com/turkey-coup-why-have-teachers-and-academics-...

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floyd commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 6:09pm

So Barbs thinks Gillian Triggs has no credibility, that the IPA line Barbs?

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benski commented Tuesday, 26 Jul 2016 at 11:18pm

tonybarber, thanks for the reply. I'm looking for the details of what you think she did wrong or maybe how she over reached. You've said you think she was silent of refugee deaths, that's the kind of basis for your opinion I'm looking for. Thanks for the detail.

What was it that she did wrong on the QUT issue? It seems to me like the commission did their job on that. Not sure what specific role Triggs had on that issue but it seemed like a process was followed as it was supposed to. Do you know if and where they went wrong according to their statutory duty? Did Triggs reach outside her statutory authority or did she remove someone's human rights?

It would be very interesting to read the letter they sent you defining (or not defining) rights etc. Would you be prepared to post it or quote it so we can get a sense of it?

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floyd commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 3:07pm

still waiting benski ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd0fBXwDBmo

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 7:25pm

What's what ?

What is the fucking go with the " temporary " budget repair levy ??!!

An extra 2 percent of gross income !

Biggest boom to any government in the history of the modern world and a couple of years later the fuckwits have blown the lot - and then dug a massive deficit hole where the money was sitting.

Useless pricks.

Especially enjoy the $20,000,000,000 borrowed from overseas that went to the APRA bank guarantee fund .....even though deposits in domestic banks are over 10 times that amount and the funds are legislated to go directly into the bottom line of the Systemically Important domestic banks that are punting a third of our entire economy on the mortgage market.

Depositors will receive nothing from the fund guarantee AND have any remaining deposits absorbed by the banks under the Bail In laws that Australia is a signatory to.

Go the government !

Meanwhile the government is gouging the fuck out of us with a temporary repair levy that will not even keep pace on the interest required to service the $20 Billion dollar loan that sits idle till the banks drop the ball and we bail them out.

Can I get a Yeeewwww ?

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 7:28pm

I think I've posted a link to this before.

Media Lens.

"Since 2001, we have been describing how mainstream newspapers and broadcasters operate as a propaganda system for the elite interests that dominate modern society. The costs of their disinformation in terms of human and animal suffering, and environmental breakdown, are incalculable. We show how news and commentary are ‘filtered’ by the media’s profit-orientation, by its dependence on advertisers, parent companies, wealthy owners and official news sources..

We check the media’s version of events against credible facts and opinion provided by journalists, academics and specialist researchers. We then publish both versions, together with our commentary, in free Media Alerts and invite readers to deliver their verdict both to us and to mainstream journalists through the email addresses provided in our ’Suggested Action’ at the end of each alert. We urge correspondents to adopt a polite, rational and respectful tone at all times – we strongly oppose all abuse and personal attack. We also publish Cogitations, exploring related personal and philosophical themes."

UK and US focussed. But then so is our media in a lot of ways. Murdoch for one. Many similarities and correlations to be seen and analysed.

Check it out.

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 7:32pm

got a link for that?

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 7:37pm

SN won't let me post. Conspiracy?!

Just tap 'media lens' into the search engine of your choice. Look at 'alerts' tab for starters. Some interesting stuff.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 8:17pm

No conspiracy, just a few bugs we're trying to straighten out whilst fighting spammers.

Or at least that's what the CIA tells us to say...

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stunet commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 8:20pm

"We show how news and commentary are ‘filtered’ by the media’s profit-orientation, by its dependence on advertisers, parent companies, wealthy owners and official news sources.."

Michael West would have a wry chuckle. Fairfax's best journo gets told his "skill set is no longer required" after a brilliant series of articles on big business dodging taxes.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 8:22pm

Here you go Steve:

http://www.medialens.org/

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016 at 10:09pm

Well fucking derrrrrr!!!!!!!! Didly dumdy fuckn do.......
For 2 decades I have been arguing against privatization of essential services..... Lazy governments selling what WE OWN... Stuff that we NEED..... But no..... The learned folk said "you have no idea".... "It'll be better for you.... Cheaper..... better services.... "...... Bullshit.......
Now this........
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/27/acccs-rod-sims-sa...

It's enough to make one wanna start a purge, a revolution..... Off with their heads......

Sheepdog

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wally commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 8:02am

Yes Stu.
Michael West, the best finance journalist in the country, tells us he was sacked by Fairfax with 3 days notice just before he was due to run his exposé on PwC, Deloitte, KPMG and Ernst & Young. That exposé then was not run by Fairfax.
Michael West says the piece of investigative jounalism cost him 6 months work and his job.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 8:27am

thanks Stu.

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tonybarber commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 10:21am

Looks like SN is censoring input. Afraid of the truth, it seems. Must be a CIA conspiracy ? Which movie was that one ?
Well Benski, sorry but some don't like what's typed.

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floyd commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 10:44am

In light of the revelations on the 730 Report last night about Victoria Police's ongoing investigation about George Pell's sexual behaviour towards young boys (coupled with the 100s of reported cases of priests sexually abusing children) I propose we ban all Catholics migrating to Australia, have a royal commission into the catholic church and have CCT cameras installed in all churches and houses used by priests and nuns. Clearly the catholic church and all catholics are a threat to our Stralian way of life!

It is not intended that the above comment make light of the tragic circumstances men and women now find themselves in because of the predatory sexual behaviour of priests and other religious orders but to highlight the inane stupidity that is Pauline Hanson and her position on Islam and 100,000s of peace loving muslims that call Australia home. It should be obvious to even the most dim witted that by weight of numbers of people sadly harmed the Catholic church has been a greater threat to Australia than anything else.

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Sheepdog commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 1:14pm

The Pauline hanson thread closed?...... OK.......... That's disturbing.... As is Stu's line "Twenty years ago a scowling surfboard shaper waved his stick at a horrible ginger politician"...
What her hair colour has to do with her non sensical policies has got me beat..... Stick to attacking her stance, not her appearance or race, stu.... Otherwise you become what you despise.....

Sheepdog

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stunet commented Thursday, 28 Jul 2016 at 1:53pm

Thanks for the advice mate...