What's what?

tim foilat wrote:

Wharfjunkie wrote:

AndyM wrote:

So he's a liar and a scab?? Dickhead.
Even with paying $150/week cash, and say rent is worth $150/week and food $100/week, that's a long way short of minimum wage. What a goose.

$400/25hrs= $16 an hour hardly worth it but doesn't look like he broke any rules.
$450/25hrs=$18 after tax.

The add doesn't say anything about 25 hours, in fact it goes on to say that couples are welcome but the $150 a week stays the same. Haha paying two people to work for a week for 150 bucks plus board. Check out the guys property portfolio, you reckon he's doing it tough ? He's happy to accept a significant wage and a significant pension and other perks from the taxpayer, blab on about penalty rates and he advertises to pay people $3.75 an hour.

Are you greens voter barley? Do you use $3.75 labour to pick your beans?

http://www.backpackerjobboard.com.au/job/2339/live-in-au-pair-at-lucy-qu...

"He says he made up the difference and paid above minimum wage requirements [based on advice from a payroll services company] and by requiring only 25 hours of work a week"

Thats where I got the 25hrs from Tim Foil.

Yeah the article says that but the add doesn't, I don't believe it, typical politician trying to spin things over after the fact. If he was expecting the au pair or couple to work 25 hours a week the add would have specified, it didn't. Most work adds I've read offer an hourly rate or some mention of how many hours you will be working, full time or part time. In the backpacker/ foreign worker scene it's easy to get away with. Farms are full of slave labour like this, but this guy is standing in parliament describing himself as a protector of penalty rates

Schrödinger's cat or refugee?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/20/any-election-involv...

Quick! Someone call the cops!

talkingturkey wrote:

Schrödinger's cat or refugee?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/20/any-election-involv...

Quick! Someone call the cops!

Joh Bjelke Petersen would be soiling himself with laughter.

Speaking of dead cats...

http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/18/loves-letter-lost-malcolm-turnbulls-...

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

"He’s a turd. He’s easy to loathe, he’s a sh-t, he’d devour anyone for breakfast, he’s on the make, he’s cynical, he’s offensively smug."

OMG! I LOLd!

Fuck that's funny.

tim foilat wrote:

Yeah the article says that but the add doesn't, I don't believe it, typical politician trying to spin things over after the fact. If he was expecting the au pair or couple to work 25 hours a week the add would have specified, it didn't. Most work adds I've read offer an hourly rate or some mention of how many hours you will be working, full time or part time. In the backpacker/ foreign worker scene it's easy to get away with. Farms are full of slave labour like this, but this guy is standing in parliament describing himself as a protector of penalty rates

Didn't see the add but wouldn't surprise me. Exploitation of labour is problematic in farming yet the whole thing with being a primary producer seems to soften the backlash. Whats more concerning is organisations that are supposed to protect and improve workers entitlements such as the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees' Association are selling out their members with poor pay deals. Its no wonder union membership is low in these industries.

AndyM wrote:

Can't help myself.

Indo says "But i think basically Liberal governments actually try to do what is best for the country especially from a financial/economy perspective"

Yeah, for the benefit of big business!

Indo says "While Labor don't always do what's necessarily best for the country but spend to much time trying to please everyone especially minority groups."

I'm not a fan of Labor but can you see a contradiction in what you've said here? Trying to keep people happy but not doing the right thing by the country?
I think you and I may have different definitions of what a country is...

And the Greens are the only ones looking beyond the end of their nose.

No it's not a contradiction that's what i meant, that's labors problem a lot of the time instead of making the decision they believe in they try to please everyone obviously they want too please the majority, but these days minority groups are so vocal they also try to please them too which is a problem for them because it doesn't work because you cant keep everyone happy.

The balance of a good government is one doing whats best for the country and at the same time keeping the majority happy, if your lucky they are sometimes the same thing but sometimes not.

Liberals don't have this problem so much because they rarely try to please minority groups, although im not a Liberal voter i respect that, they have the balls to do what they think is correct.

Lets not even talk about the Greens the Greens are the biggest hoax they are suppose to be green but do they even have a policy that deals with the issue of unsustainable population growth?
Which along with global warming is or should be the biggest Green issue of our time.

Another day, another dead cat?

And Indo (tell us you're) Dreaming, WHAT HAVE THE LNP DONE THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY AGAIN? Say, in the last 20 years if you like. And by the 'country', I mean we, the people, ALL of us, as well as the actual country, the geography, the environment, and also our culture, our shared vision of who WE are and who we want to be, now and into the future.

Fire away.

I don't want to be a defender of liberal governments but they have done plenty of good things as have labor governments that's why we are still one of the luckiest countries on earth anyone who has traveled knows this is true, sometimes it's just about keeping a balance, many like to think things cant change and we are immune to shit going bad but it could all turn to shit real quick if not managed correctly, so the reality is both Liberal and Labor governments have done a pretty good job really....oh and from a economy perspective we have gone about 25 years without a recession.

"say 20 years if you like".....why 20? sounds like your lucky number.

Apart from Manufacturing and Agriculture indo they have fucked that up completely.

indo-dreaming wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Can't help myself.

Indo says "But i think basically Liberal governments actually try to do what is best for the country especially from a financial/economy perspective"

Yeah, for the benefit of big business!

Indo says "While Labor don't always do what's necessarily best for the country but spend to much time trying to please everyone especially minority groups."

I'm not a fan of Labor but can you see a contradiction in what you've said here? Trying to keep people happy but not doing the right thing by the country?
I think you and I may have different definitions of what a country is...

And the Greens are the only ones looking beyond the end of their nose.

No it's not a contradiction that's what i meant, that's labors problem a lot of the time instead of making the decision they believe in they try to please everyone obviously they want too please the majority, but these days minority groups are so vocal they also try to please them too which is a problem for them because it doesn't work because you cant keep everyone happy.

The balance of a good government is one doing whats best for the country and at the same time keeping the majority happy, if your lucky they are sometimes the same thing but sometimes not.

Liberals don't have this problem so much because they rarely try to please minority groups, although im not a Liberal voter i respect that, they have the balls to do what they think is correct.

Lets not even talk about the Greens the Greens are the biggest hoax they are suppose to be green but do they even have a policy that deals with the issue of unsustainable population growth?
Which along with global warming is or should be the biggest Green issue of our time.

Ghandi said "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."

Indo, by minorities do you mean Indigenous, gay, those that need health care and social security?

Again, I'm no fan of Labor but at least they act like there are people beside the wealthy and upwardly mobile. LNP have no empathy, no soul. You don't have to be a bleeding heart, you just have to be a little bit human.
You're right when you say that the Libs don't try to please minorities and it's disappointing to see that you think this is necessarily respectable.
I agree wholeheartedly with you when you talk about unsustainable population, it's the elephant that no politician anywhere wants to tackle, it's a hospital pass.
Unfortunately I think it's reasonable to say that while basically any business, anyone involved in construction or real estate has any lobbying power, Australia will continue to have a high rate of population increase.
The ABS reckons that Australia's population grows by 300,000 per year - that's more than a new Adelaide every 5 years.

Wharfjunkie wrote:

Apart from Manufacturing and Agriculture indo they have fucked that up completely.

Hmmm Its a hard topic to get your head around and im far from an expert but I think that is very debatable i think it's easy to blame governments, but in a sense we are all to blame everybody wants their cake and eat it too, we want high wages but want to buy products cheap and we want choices....seems people don't even want to drink a beer these days unless its an imported name beer.

Ghandi said "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."

agreed. so now rate Australia compared to other nations. and then we can see by how much our country is fucked up or not.

im not saying that LNP do any wonders by Gandi's benchmark. they don't have any socialist agenda. that's what we have the ALP for.

Wharfjunkie wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

Yeah the article says that but the add doesn't, I don't believe it, typical politician trying to spin things over after the fact. If he was expecting the au pair or couple to work 25 hours a week the add would have specified, it didn't. Most work adds I've read offer an hourly rate or some mention of how many hours you will be working, full time or part time. In the backpacker/ foreign worker scene it's easy to get away with. Farms are full of slave labour like this, but this guy is standing in parliament describing himself as a protector of penalty rates

Didn't see the add but wouldn't surprise me. Exploitation of labour is problematic in farming yet the whole thing with being a primary producer seems to soften the backlash. Whats more concerning is organisations that are supposed to protect and improve workers entitlements such as the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees' Association are selling out their members with poor pay deals. Its no wonder union membership is low in these industries.

Yep and yep, how scams like SDA even exist let alone claim to represent the interests of workers is anybody's guess what a shitty organisation.

Indo isn't everybody drinking those fancy local made craft beers these days?

happyasS wrote:

Ghandi said "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."

agreed. so now rate Australia compared to other nations. and then we can see by how much our country is fucked up or not.

im not saying that LNP do any wonders by Gandi's benchmark. they don't have any socialist agenda. that's what we have the ALP for.

Happy I'm not saying that Australia is fucked up.
I am saying that we should always strive for better. And don't take your eye off those that are making the rules!

Bhutan measures its national success as Gross Domestic Happiness ....

floyd wrote:

Bhutan measures its national success as Gross Domestic Happiness ....

Beautiful concept.

happyasS wrote:

"say 20 years if you like".....why 20? sounds like your lucky number.

It's when Howard got in for one. Go back to when Menzies kick-started the libs if you want. Sama sama. LIBS = NADA.

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tim foilat wrote:

Wharfjunkie wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

Yeah the article says that but the add doesn't, I don't believe it, typical politician trying to spin things over after the fact. If he was expecting the au pair or couple to work 25 hours a week the add would have specified, it didn't. Most work adds I've read offer an hourly rate or some mention of how many hours you will be working, full time or part time. In the backpacker/ foreign worker scene it's easy to get away with. Farms are full of slave labour like this, but this guy is standing in parliament describing himself as a protector of penalty rates

Didn't see the add but wouldn't surprise me. Exploitation of labour is problematic in farming yet the whole thing with being a primary producer seems to soften the backlash. Whats more concerning is organisations that are supposed to protect and improve workers entitlements such as the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees' Association are selling out their members with poor pay deals. Its no wonder union membership is low in these industries.

Yep and yep, how scams like SDA even exist let alone claim to represent the interests of workers is anybody's guess what a shitty organisation.

Indo isn't everybody drinking those fancy local made craft beers these days?

I thought it was a hipster thing?

Your probably right mate, can't says I've tried any of them, coopers always tasted like authentic beer to me

talkingturkey wrote:

Another day, another dead cat?

And Indo (tell us you're) Dreaming, WHAT HAVE THE LNP DONE THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY AGAIN? Say, in the last 20 years if you like. And by the 'country', I mean we, the people, ALL of us, as well as the actual country, the geography, the environment, and also our culture, our shared vision of who WE are and who we want to be, now and into the future.

Fire away.

There's a saying........ "It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled".......

yorkessurfer wrote:

Haha...that's great :)

And then there is good old union hack - Shorty.

tonybarber wrote:

And then there is good old union hack - Shorty.

Bahahahahaha, is that's the best you've got Tones, man you're not even trying!

Some gold in there, YS & Doggo. T (cough, cough) B, feeling a bit poorly, comrade? That effort was shit-paper.

Much like Mal's black/copper ops. It's not 'utegate' all over again, is it?

Really, he's just not up to the gig as LNP PM is he?

Haha cant wait til all you swellnet socialusts get caned..another loss...you guys think ya close...ha h a ha but maybe floyd can make the difference..hang on bullshit..cant wait till you kabor cockheads lose..both believers and anonymous supportoers (floyd)

Socialist wankers....anti australi..disgrace

Talking turkey or just a turkey..voice impotent except on swellnet forum..modis complete

Pretty sad to see a fella think that by supporting right-wing nationalism he's doing the right thing by his country.

Lookout Swellnutters 2 of the 3 Stooges are now on-line, all we need is nick3 to check in.

"Socialist wankers....anti australi..disgrace"

Barely, some serious serious questions...

Do you love Malcolm?

Got a cat?

Burp

Can you imagine what a truly socialist Australia would be like ?

No-one's suggesting that Blowin so your comment is irrelevant.

Poor floyd dominating swellnet forums..thinking your opinion makes a difference..think you have a voice..of course you do mate..all your opinions make a difference...which ones your gunna narrow it down again? Nicj xenephon, greens,labor?ha friggen ha hilarious...politics is politics none of you matter but go one have your class warfare we all die in the end

Bought and paid for.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chinese-interes...

Blowin wrote:

Bought and paid for.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chinese-interes...

You know Andrew Robb was LNP yeah Blowin? So are you saying to avoid going down the socialist path you're not going to vote Libs?

Blowin wrote:

Can you imagine what a truly socialist Australia would be like ?

hmmm. a socialist regime on an Island. were do we see that? ya mon !

By the way Blowin, when you read that article it's all business - nothing socialist about it.

Blowin wrote:

Bought and paid for.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chinese-interes...

Yep, china will own and occupy Australia within the next ten years.

Speaking of which, how are these SA farmers? Fucking socialist wankers, vote for these shitty factions like the Nationals and the liberals but when said factions start fleecing them of their profits they start whinging to the public to bail them out. Lol, if you can't run a business and the organisation you vote for let's corporates fuck you, you kinda gotta lube up and accept it.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/consumers-getting-beh...

Privitise the profits and socialise the losses - it's the right-wing way.

AndyM wrote:

No-one's suggesting that Blowin so your comment is irrelevant.

I appreciate your curt dismissal.

AndyM wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Bought and paid for.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/chinese-interes...

You know Andrew Robb was LNP yeah Blowin? So are you saying to avoid going down the socialist path you're not going to vote Libs?

I don't want liberal leadership or socialism.

I wish to be left to do as I freely want without being owned by business or government.

You may say I'm a dreamer....but I'm not the only one.

Òi Doggo, time for that "well there it is...that's the stupidest fucking thing I'll read all day" meme.

Good one, Blowie!

Forget that pinko hippy Lennon shit, sounds like you need to rustle up your own Posse Comitatus. Yeeehaw.

Fucking hell Blowin, if you don't want to be owned by government/corporations, the LNP are the last people you should be supporting! Do you really not realise that?! Jeezarz...

Can't believe you've swallowed that "small government" bullshit.

You need to read a bit more.

Dead in the bathtub...