2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:22pm
thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Geez that is heavy if true. Knew LNP were low, but this is next level.
Federal ICAC needed....

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Ooohhh….Supa, that’s got to go up in full. Too good to not post.
Life inside a lie

Here tis:

“The government Scott Morrison leads has achieved less in three terms than perhaps any other in Australian history. What it has accomplished has largely made the country worse. It has dismantled an effective carbon price, antagonised China, cowed the national broadcaster, diminished the broadband network. It has confected a national circus on gay rights, alienated allies, rigged the tax system to ensure a country that will be less fair, where there will be less money for health and education.

Morrison’s is a government of gross rorting and frivolous obsessions. It has no coherent plan. Its refusal to establish an integrity commission is an admission of just how bent its members are. It indulges peccadilloes on religious freedoms but refuses to legislate an emissions target. It muddled through the pandemic on luck and the work of the states.

Competence is a novel concept to Morrison. He does not possess it and nor does he expect it from his ministers. Billions of dollars are wasted on defence contracts. Billions more are rorted in election spending. It is government by boondoggle.

On refugees, he has refined a system of cruelty unmatched anywhere in the world. He will be remembered, if he is remembered at all, as the country’s great torturer. He is a man who will not pass up even the smallest advantage. He is constantly chiselling at the nation’s soul.

He has lied so often and with such certainty that the truth seems to slide off him. He is an oiled-up showman. In the early days of the government, when he was Immigration minister, he lied and said Reza Barati was killed outside the fence of a detention centre on Manus Island. The implication was that it was his fault for escaping. In reality, he was killed by guards. Morrison lied again and said social workers were coaching refugees to self-harm, and eventually his government had to pay compensation for this. It stands out as a lonely consequence in a career absent of them.

Morrison, this cruel and bilious man, now asks for a fourth term. He says he’s just getting started. He plans to be different. He looks out at the carnage behind him, all of it the result of his ineffectiveness and ineptitude, and says he is a bulldozer. There is no crisis that doesn’t begin and end with him imagining himself as a small boy playing with a toy truck.

His pitch, as ever, is comfort. He has the shape and bearing of a Jason recliner. He speaks to one half of Australia and promises he will make them comfortable. They will not have to worry about climate change or an unstable world. They will live in Morrison’s Australia, protected by selfishness and indifference. They can live inside one of his lies, in a house they bought with their superannuation, safe in the constant present that is more accurately a suburban past. The future doesn’t exist in this world because it is too real to consider.

Today, there is a chance Morrison will be re-elected. If it happens, it will be a tragedy for the country.“

Yep, reckon that editorial nails it!

100% agree

On reflection I think Morrison and his voters should be pleased with this assessment of his PMship as it aligns with the modern day role of any conservative leader/government which is to primarily occupy the government benches, buying time to further entrench the aspiration mantra, while doing as little as possible but where able further expand the existing concessions to the base. By occupying government you stop the other mob incrementally winding back the Howard era largesse and full fat gravy, little wonder people like @info are mesmerised by the shining things dangled in their faces.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:30pm
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thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Geez that is heavy if true. Knew LNP were low, but this is next level.
Federal ICAC needed....

Hands up who would be surprised if it was true.

Not me.

Scummo and his mob are at least as untrustworthy as anyone I’ve ever come across.

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thermalben Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:33pm

FWIW, I've been reading Karen's articles in The Saturday Paper for many years, and she's done some incredible work, and broken quite a few big stories. Karen doesn't appear to be the kind of person to potentially trash their reputation on a rumour. Especially seeing that this kind of eleventh-hour news story is likely to be too late to make a material difference to the election (LNP were apparently sending out SMS alerts at 2pm, but most people will have already voted by that time).

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:40pm
thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Extremely unlikely, why pay and organise for something that is bound to happen anyway?

Plus if it was a set up it would be better to make it happen earlier, most people will have voted by the time they hear about this story.

This aspect is more likely to be a fabricated story to combat the negative effect of the news..

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thermalben Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:41pm

Let's wait and see, ID.

Can't see why Karen would trash her reputation though.

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truebluebasher Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:43pm

2022 swellnet Election Doco Drawer

2019 Local Booth Vote Counts > Seat Results
https://results.aec.gov.au/24310/Website/HouseDefault-24310.htm

12th Aug 2021 [ Counting, Scrutiny, and Operational Efficiencies Bill ]
* 12 day fixed pre Poll
* 5 day pre Poll Day opening of Postal Ballots
* 2hr pre Poll day end opening of Phone Ballots
* Party Numbers 500 >1,500 or Elected Member endorsement
* Ban on similar Party Names
* Voter I.D. (Not Passed)

Green Ant's half decent cautious review on Electoral Changes
https://antonygreen.com.au/proposed-electoral-act-changes-for-the-2022-f...

9th Feb 2022 [ Covid Enfranchisement Bill 2022] or 72hr [+] Postal Vote Exemption.
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id...

26th Feb 2022 [ ECL~ 500 Electronic Certified Lists pilot in Pre Poll / Mobile / High Volume Booths]
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id...

19/20th May [ 3 day Extension of Covid Enfranchisement Bill ]
AEC Chief : Tom Rodgers Video
Govt Special Minister of State : Ben Morton Video
Candidate : Monique Ryan Legal Action Video
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-ele...
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/monique-ryans-le...

Polling Booths Open / Closures / Appointments
https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/cea-notices/election-pp.htm

Election Guides
tbb's super generous [L] vs alp swing seats
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/528560?page=81
tbb's Covid % (vs) Swing % Red Hot Taboo Guide.
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/528560?page=86
ABC Chief Analyst : The Green Ant Chamber!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/guides

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burleigh Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:49pm
thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Wow Ben, friend of a friend, can’t verify, She didn’t know the guy………. That’s some great journalism from Karen

Imagine if I shared something like this about Covid. I would have been torn to shreds.

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 4:56pm
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thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Wow Ben, friend of a friend, can’t verify, She didn’t know the guy………. That’s some great journalism from Karen

Imagine if I shared something like this about Covid. I would have been torn to shreds.

Imagine?…no need to imagine.

You shared worse and simply made up stuff hourly…ad nauseam.

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adam12 Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:05pm

ALP to win 80 plus seats, LNP less than 60, teals get 3 or 4
That's my call. 5pm.
Landslide.

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tubeshooter Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:20pm

ALP at $1.35 and LIB at $3.40 currently at Sportsbet.

But I doubt they'll be paying out early this time after their last effort.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-election-2019-sportsbet-expect...

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:19pm
adam12 wrote:

ALP to win 80 plus seats, LNP less than 60, teals get 3 or 4
That's my call. 5pm.
Landslide.

Geez I hope you are correct...

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thermalben Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:20pm
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thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Wow Ben, friend of a friend, can’t verify, She didn’t know the guy………. That’s some great journalism from Karen

Imagine if I shared something like this about Covid. I would have been torn to shreds.

Didn't realise your professional reputation was on the line every time you commented anonymously on Swellnet.

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Supafreak Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:24pm
adam12 wrote:

ALP to win 80 plus seats, LNP less than 60, teals get 3 or 4
That's my call. 5pm.
Landslide.

But will Jenny be making the concession speech ?

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truebluebasher Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:30pm

Don't be acting all innocent as if we hit a new low point?
Think we've sailed off the edge of the Earth's slippery slope many times before this...
We just keep goin' round & back for more sultanas...here we go again...hold on....Argh!!

[L] People Smuggler's Turnaround standard price...$40,000 vessel $5,000 per crew
Tough job for the Australian Navy...upgrading from Pockets to Wallets to Handbags to Treasure Chests.

2015 [L] People Smuggling Catalogue...shop for yer fav Smuggler & Leaky Vessel.
https://nofibs.com.au/by-hook-or-by-crook-the-cashforturnbacks-scandal-q...

[L] Locked in Smuggler's 2 for 1 Election Fear Campaign offer....{ PM : "Australia sets the bribe price!" }

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:37pm

Can’t quite agree TBB, but take your point. It seems that every time I think we’ve scraped the bottom of the barrel, I find out there’s more barrel.

Things have moved progressively worse my entire life. There was a time that a Labor Minister had to resign because he hadn’t declared a Paddington Bear coming through customs. Now, anything less than starting a nuclear war without cause is considered ‘meh’. Billions of dollars given to profitable companies, meh. Car park rorts, sports rorts. These used to be big issues that would hound a government to its grave. Now, meh.

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:41pm
thermalben wrote:
burleigh wrote:
thermalben wrote:

This Sri Lankan boat story, if true, is massive.

https://twitter.com/KarenMMiddleton/status/1527854826251354112

Wow Ben, friend of a friend, can’t verify, She didn’t know the guy………. That’s some great journalism from Karen

Imagine if I shared something like this about Covid. I would have been torn to shreds.

Didn't realise your professional reputation was on the line every time you commented anonymously on Swellnet.

Haha Gold....

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Supafreak Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:44pm

The Sri Lankan boat story has slomo’s fingerprints all over it , I mean look how the boat was late for a start , it should have been here days ago .

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 5:51pm
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just curious - because this scotty in hawaii thing has become so bloody tedious...

but, wasn't he already in hawaii before the fires?

or at least, before they became significant...

I know he was super slow and reluctant to come back, but it's not like he left in the middle of a major disaster.

Can answer that Sypkan, if you’re interested. Fires started in August on mid north coast, hit places that had never burned before, fires continued unendingly, only the location changed, until February the year after until record rains thankfully put them all out.

So yes, fires rampant across the east coast the whole time, there wasn’t a minute when the fires weren’t frightening, somewhere.

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GuySmiley Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:07pm
thermalben wrote:

FWIW, I've been reading Karen's articles in The Saturday Paper for many years, and she's done some incredible work, and broken quite a few big stories. Karen doesn't appear to be the kind of person to potentially trash their reputation on a rumour. Especially seeing that this kind of eleventh-hour news story is likely to be too late to make a material difference to the election (LNP were apparently sending out SMS alerts at 2pm, but most people will have already voted by that time).

Highly plausible repayment of a favour.

Around the time Abbott became PM didn’t Australia give Sri Lanka a couple of old patrol boats under the excuse of “stopping the boats”. Abbott was also possibly the only ex Commonwealth PM/leader who refused to call for war crimes investigation again the then and current Sri Lankan government for murderous atrocities against their Tamil community.

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:27pm
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The Sri Lankan boat story has slomo’s fingerprints all over it , I mean look how the boat was late for a start , it should have been here days ago .

That is very good Supafreak. Apparently it was supposed to arrive on Wednesday. Ha ha ha.

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:33pm
Supafreak wrote:

The Sri Lankan boat story has slomo’s fingerprints all over it , I mean look how the boat was late for a start , it should have been here days ago .

Haha nice one Sir ...
Seriously though, if proven to be true what laws have been broken? Treason?
Surely this would be involving serious jail time for any involved???

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:40pm

Andy, I think the text message to everyone might be a problem, using a public carriage .. something or other.

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:41pm

Ok, serious business now, is anyone playing election night bingo?

What phrases are you looking for?

100-1 on that I’ll be drunk as a newt whatever the result. I’ll drink to that.

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:45pm
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Andy, I think the text message to everyone might be a problem, using a public carriage .. something or other.

Feel they would be opening a big can of worms...
Colluding with foreign govt to send boats full of refugees to Australia... Many would be involved, security services and pollies ..
Heavy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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sypkan Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 6:55pm
adam12 wrote:

ALP to win 80 plus seats, LNP less than 60, teals get 3 or 4
That's my call. 5pm.
Landslide.

fuck i hope not

don't want another scummo term

but a huge labor majority scares the shit out of me

literally

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flollo Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:04pm

On fires - they were burning from Sep but sadly, most people ignored it (here I’m generally referring to people from Sydney and Melbourne). It was in Dec and especially around Christmas holidays that Sydney and little bit later VIC areas got really bad. It was during this time that Scomo went on holidays and it was terrible timing because at that time everyone realised what was going on. If he went on holidays in Oct many wouldn’t even notice despite fires raging on the north coast. This is how I remember it because I was following coverage, might have been little bit different give or take. Anyway, who’s winning? Is Albo a PM yet?

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:12pm

Fair enough flollo if you think that. I’m from Sydney, I was engaged from the beginning, which I’m sure was August and maybe earlier. Just about every person I know was aghast, from Sydney, and we weren’t threatened at all.

The idea that people from Sydney have no connection or understanding of regional areas may be true for some, but it isn’t widespread, in my experience.

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batfink Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:14pm
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batfink wrote:

Andy, I think the text message to everyone might be a problem, using a public carriage .. something or other.

Feel they would be opening a big can of worms...
Colluding with foreign govt to send boats full of refugees to Australia... Many would be involved, security services and pollies ..
Heavy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seems like a good subject for a proper ICAC to investigate.

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blackers Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:18pm

And the same here in Melbourne.
Edit. Re Batfinks earlier post

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Tick Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:20pm
tubeshooter wrote:

ALP at $1.35 and LIB at $3.40 currently at Sportsbet.

But I doubt they'll be paying out early this time after their last effort.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-election-2019-sportsbet-expect...

Bit of movement...

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:49pm

The pretending to be independent independents are doing pretty well.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:53pm

evening folks, yes I am watching with an ale or two batfink

building hobby stuff as I go

results looking like mad dog's breakfast so far, entertainment level high

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:55pm

greens doing very well inner metro QLD

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:57pm

antony green : in Bris, swing to greens mimics swing to teals in Syd, melb

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freeride76 Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:58pm

looks like a hung parliament.

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:58pm

Watching also with a few, geez nearly as exciting as State of Origin!!! Haha.
Go Anthony Green,!

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:59pm
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greens doing very well inner metro QLD

They are beating ALP Butler in KRudd’s old seat.

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andy-mac Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 7:59pm

Bandt got his seat.... Google it mate..

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AndyM Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:01pm

Great to see what appears to be a continued rejection of the majors and solid swings to The Greens and independents.

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:01pm

The Teal vote to the pretend independents is staggering…a big wakeup to the 2 major parties.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:04pm

election popcorn entertainment:

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blackers Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:04pm

I think you mean a wake-up call for the LNP, but agree it’s a good thing.

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:07pm
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I think you mean a wake-up call for the LNP, but agree it’s a good thing.

No, ALP is also losing votes to independents…ALP also losing more votes to the greens. Both parties need to look at what they bring.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:08pm

so, who will the teals/greens rather form govt with to get the climate result their voters want?

a)lib
b)lab

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flollo Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:12pm

Independent leading in Fowler. Love it!

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truebluebasher Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:45pm

Real Life Corflute Galoots

Signs : Electors don't Vote for Uknowns + Smile buys 5% of yer Votes.
How to prevent Graffiti / Sign Damage.
Rollout less signs Later & for shorter Time
No Faces
On point full length worded Message (Denies add in letters or add on Quips)
Basically out smart yer dimwitted Sign Vandal...(F.U. "Give me somethin' to work with ya bastard!")
Blend into the scenery...
Bonus : Athletic Sign posting high up a tree will re-elect you for years to come! True!
All notice the sitting member still has signs on way to town for months > Years ...(Say : Bloody Typical!)

2022 Electoral Sign Review

Old School Sandwich Board still brings the boys to the booth
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSje6NBVUAEVM5-?format=jpg&name=small
The Modern Poll Booth is also a work of Art...tbb never said that!
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/be530e7/2147483647/stri...

Teal Chix are Nuking the Poll Booths with Magazine Cover Promos
There is no doubt Fashion Diva's Daughter's signs are light years ahead of Boring Pollies!
Showcases that the candidate has something more inviting in store! (vs) Same Old Shit.
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/jQ8ukby0e6FuEOt9kMoQDQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlna...

Sign Theft : Some Candidates lost 50% or 500 signs > Electorate up to 1,000 (Police Investigating)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-09/stolen-election-signs-a-growing-p...

Vandalism : Often (Asian) Racially Motivated Smashed Signs

(Defaced) Asian Faces cut out but also for Homophobes / Misogynists

[ Local Slogans ] The Sell Out Pollie : [ Can The Tram ] or [ Chem Trails ]
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/feabc808ec4e39b74be91107a3ac7270

Racial Slurs :
Jewish / Right Wing (but) All! Entry level Graffiti = #1 Swastika #2 Hitler Mo.
Largest most dominant Swastikas defaced young Alp women...it's more dumb arse than racial.
Asian = (Above) Defaced or Smashed or "Capital letters Racial Tag!"
Black = Black Face as in "Wiped Out"
Indian = [ Go Back ] eg : Most recent Migrant Group!

Playing the Sympathy Vote Corflute...#1 Oz Scribbled candidate is ever in the frame...
https://www.6newsau.com/post/we-looked-at-whether-josh-frydenberg-edited...

Obscenities
Spex & Blacked out Tooth / Teeth : Old School but still bugs the Candidates. (I'll kill whoever did this!)
Devil Horns : Creeping in as Quickie Texta job like Old School icons = Ciggie / Scar / Spex / Beard.
Bunny Ears / Masks : These are New Derogatory Attacks targeting Women
https://geelongindy.com.au/news/12-05-2022/police-asked-to-investigate-c...
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/b595a03ce64768d047b8814f0b9470fc
Dic Pics = Mostly Chick Candidates or yer everyday Local Right wing Dictators
Recent Dic Pics drawn as Graphic Sexual Acts are crossing the line.
Talking Shit : As in Shit coming out of Candidate's Mouth!

Vengeful...(Currently [L] Chix but Clive get's his share!)
$60 for Blow Job = As in Skank + Eggings on Campaign Office is also a thing!
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/34ebff22344fba1022d0f61e8e3f...
C_ _ _ word = Vengeful as in Candidate Payback for wrong doing.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3ea5d56f7781795b2178bd85637627e4
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FReYydLaQAApBVh.jpg
Vendetta (Becomes real personal!) 000 Police!
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/cad7cccaa60e4a07b8432a1361ad6048
https://timesnewsgroup.com.au/surfcoasttimes/news/ashers-signs-vandalised/

[L] Chix copped a harsh run ...so how can more [L] Chix get elected in high risk occupation.
tbb is calling it out! No blokes here tolerate this tirade on [L] Chix...leave them alone you creeps!

[Sold Out] = See 100% of Clive's Billboards
People can't resist the temptation & likely hire Cherry Pickers to do the Dirty!

Misrepresentation > Now Professional big end rapid printing > (Police rate this the highest of Crimes)
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/federal-ele...
Pro Gangs can knock up 100 fakes / night & have them on the hustings by Daybreak.
https://www.transcontinental.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/Emma.Ho...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/06/aec-investigates-...
Polls now do likewise...High bidders roll out Fakes to fool voters. (Yes! A few ruled out today even!)

Candidates Reply
Some actually offer rewards $500 to dob in the Vandal.
Some cop it sweet and mop up the mess...All feel for the little guy that can't replace them.

Comic Relief to regain sanity.
Imagine Candidate Art imitating Life to regain cred & votes...Huh!
Early example of yer typical De-Facing Attack getting a Face Lift
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/17/04/3561EF2300000578-3646035-i...

Face saving gestures (Seriously taking the piss to humiliate their graffiti Clowns) Salute!
https://www.northernbeachesreview.com.au/story/7657594/from-pollies-to-j...

Sign song...dedicated to 2022 Oz Candidates & Volunteers...Good Job guys!

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blackers Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:22pm
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I think you mean a wake-up call for the LNP, but agree it’s a good thing.

No, ALP is also losing votes to independents…ALP also losing more votes to the greens. Both parties need to look at what they bring.

Not to the teals tho. Otherwise I agree with all of the above.

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Roadkill Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:26pm

Capt’s call Deves….ciao. Should never have been a candidate.

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 8:28pm

Andy M you'd be loving the democracy in the results, I remember you explaining why a vote for smaller parties/independents was important