2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:01pm

@Hiccups

When i interacted with you years ago via a friends facebook post, i couldn't believe how much of a far left tosser you were, ive never come across someone via friends who is so extreme and misguided in their ideology, if Antifa were active in Australia i have absolutely no doubt you would be one of those clowns on the streets thinking you are fighting some imaginary fascist, so the care factor on your opinion is minus zero.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:24pm
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indo-dreaming wrote:
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@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."

Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.

I honestly have trouble understanding people like you, again the last 30 years has been an amazing prosperous period for Australia where basically anyone could have gone from rags to riches if they put their mind to it..

Yeah Covid sucked especially lockdowns and not being able to travel but globally we have done amazingly from an economical and health perspective.

Ive had kids in the last 10 years used healthcare systems countless times, child care, public schooling etc all have exceeded my expectations and generally been free or very low cost.

I really don't understand what more you people want or desire???

But whatever it is, im sorry to break the news to you, but your not going too magically get it under Labor.

I’m happy for you indo that life’s good and your content with your lot . Do you understand that in Australia some people are struggling with the cost of living as in food , rent , power .?……. Australia is a signatory to the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals. The first of these goals is “No poverty”. However, Australia has the 16th highest poverty rate out of the 34 wealthiest countries in the OECD – higher than the average for the OECD; higher than the UK, Germany and New Zealand. People living in poverty in Australia often miss out on essentials such as food or a roof over their heads. Children living in poverty often miss out on items such as school excursions.
Our 2020 report Poverty in Australia 2020: Part 1, Overview found that there are 3.24 million people (13.6%) living below the poverty line of 50% of median income – including 774,000 children (17.7%) and 424,800 young people (13.9%). In dollar figures, this poverty line works out to $457 a week for a single adult living alone; or $960 a week for a couple with 2 children. https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/poverty/

I thought Labor fixed the poverty thing way back in the 80s,

"No child will be living in poverty by 1990"????

Anyway " $960 a week for a couple with 2 children" ( $49,920 a year) being labeled as poverty is a complete joke, that is in no way poverty.

True poverty is the shit you see in Indo or even people living on the street or in cars or remote Indigenous communities.

Technically i lived in poverty on the dole for years, i even once had to go get food vouchers because we spent all our dole on the bond for a rent, so i know what its like to do it hard, yeah its challenging at times, but to describe it is as poverty is extremely misleading, being on the dole in a developed country aint poverty and raising a family on $50K sure aint either.

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groundswell Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:10pm

What do you guys think of Clive Palmer and united Australia party?

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Hiccups Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:19pm
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@Hiccups

When i interacted with you years ago via a friends facebook post, i couldn't believe how much of a far left tosser you were, ive never come across someone via friends who is so extreme and misguided in their ideology, if Antifa were active in Australia i have absolutely no doubt you would be one of those clowns on the streets thinking you are fighting some imaginary fascist, so the care factor on your opinion is minus zero.

You've repeatedly shown that you don't even know what far left means, you absolute pillock.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:23pm
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Howard's GST decimated Australian Productivity!
Layered GST penalises High Tech assembly = No Australian made Nothing!
No amount of handouts ever halted Oz production slide into Oblivion.
Libs have a Question : "Wot'z Production?"
Making our own stuff instead of rewarding imports of useless crap and on selling it to us as shit!

Made in Australia wasn't an election issue until this week! Kinda isn't, coz all ignored it!
{Key!} LP = Labour Production + MP = Multifactor Productivity (Bang for yer Buck or Value Add)

1996 Howard inherited a shit hot Productivity rate from Labor of LP 4.4% + MP 2.4%
1999/00 Howard blew the lot LP 0.6% + MP 0.1%

Howard instantly knew that he & Libs are pretty shit with the Economy! This becomes his signature!
Threatens to rollout biggest ever tax on Oz Productivity { GST } > The end of Oz Made everything!

Ironically a Pre GST Boom on Housing & Everything > racing before end of Australian Made Era kicked in.
tbb attests: Local family firms pushing out 30 -40 homes / month in Local area.

2001/02 Howard did Nothing but mandate fear > restoring LP 4.8% + MP 3.2% (Howard's Yo Yo era!)
Meaning he is a fucking idiot with zero control or ideas on what an Oz economy is & where to find one!
2002/03 Howard's GST failed miserably > LP 0.8% + MP 0.1%
tbb attests : Local Family firms now cutting prices fighting for 3 homes / month 1,000km from home!
Most of us were down at CES on regular Basis...(Howard has no idea how many families his GST destroyed)
tbb's family & school mates / neighbours / families all 20yrs long working men left to rot & lost Homes & kids!

Oz dream was over > Forever! Howard offsets his [L] fuck up with (Middle Class Welfare) Handouts!
2003 Howard's laughable $21,000 Home rebate for $50-$100k GST real impost was a gift to developer donors!
Experts : It just rises the prices higher & higher to this day forever & ever! A Total Fuck Up from the biggest loser!
2003 Treasurer: Pimping wives in illegal DIY Brothels...$5,000 barcode babies for 2023 [L] War on China Army!
2003/04 Bricks'n'Mortar'n'Baby Bonus = LP 3.3% > MP 1.7% ( Yo-Yo mad they are! Do I press or pull Johnny! )
2004/05 GST had now killed Manufacturing it's dead (Johnny's Brother came begging for WR handout & got it!)

It's dead you fuckwit! Your GST killed it...LP 0.2% + MP - 0.9% (Type O negative) Howard is an economic Disaster!
2005/06 Howard keeps throwing Handouts > Factories / Car Industry > LP 1.3% + 2006/07 MP -0.6%
2007/08 Howard's GST has decimated Oz productivity > LP 0.7% + MP -0.6%
Note every time he threw more at the GST the less it gives back! Gee! ( Coz that's how it works you fucking Moron! )
Oz was now owing more than it Produces ...now backpedalling!
From GST Oz Productivity slides more & more each & every day & has never been more dead than now. (Losers!)
Howard / Costello are the most Anti Oz Made pathetic treasurers in Oz history! Sure! They got the Sack! All Over!

Dec 2007 Kevin 07 World Economic Crisis Recovery > School Builds
2009/10 Lifts Building > LP 3% + MP 1%
2010/11 Money dries up > LP 0.1% + MP - 0.6
(Yo-Yo due to Pink Bat Deaths ending programs > Note more deaths under Howard's Solar Rooftop Race) True!
June 2010 Gillard
2011/12 Blue Collar Job Pack $1.6b Oz Manufacture (Aero/Transit) > LP 3.6% + MP 1.4%
2012/13 Money dries up > LP 2.4% + MP 0.4%
2013/14 Kevin 2.0 > LP 2.7% + MP 1.1%

Modern Lib era just gets more sad as Productivity dries up...Libs have no plan & no fuckin' Idea about economy!
No! Not just sayin' it...plot every line on the graph from GST to now...tbb is being ultra nice!
Sure! Watch Breaky TV Lib economic hero version...don't solve their fuck up that freezes Oz solid.
Here, have a go at this pathetic Lib lineup! Makes yer cry it does! Disappearing up our own arses!

2013 Abbott > 2014/15 LP 2.1% +1% ( Note only Libs inherit +Productivity & Fuck it up! )
2015 Libs bludge > LP 1% + 0.8% So fuckin' Lazy & can't be trusted to run economy Ever!

2016/17 Turnbull NBN & Again Oops! Try that Again! OMG just Stop already! LP 1.4% + MP 0.9%
2018/19 Nothin' Doing > 0% + 0.7%

2019/20 Morrison LP 1.8% + MP 0% (Nothing to see but more Lazy Lib economics asleep at the wheel!)
2020/21 Covid Era LP 1.1% + 0.2%
2021/22 Covid recovery LP heading South + MP Flat lining

Liberal's GST destroyed Oz economy & no amount of PM's Cash Splash or Hand outs can revive Oz!

GST balloon on Nation Building Mass Civil / Tech = 30% > 40% > 50% outlay...you can see it in the Graph!
GST forced Howard to abandon 50% / 50% state deals down to 10%-15% = State Toll Roads Boom! We pay!
Recall Telstra /Airports / Planes Sale was to build Fast Rail (Howard : Wot Fast Rail?) He fucked the Lot...it's over!

Wotz Next! Albo's Nation Building Plan needs to cull GST Oz multi tiered Production creep before it begins!
Half or more will be blown on GST & will default to imports. ALP always promised a GST review...where is it!
Without it, this will turn to shit > Return to Howard's crazy person Yo Yo Productivity Spikes!
https://anthonyalbanese.com.au/my-plan/a-future-made-in-australia-2
Only by gutting & restructuring our penalising GST can Oz regain it's Productivity to compete on World scale.

Hands up ! Any who foresee our Productivity Graph heading north!
Doubt if any of our grandchildren will ever live a full year of average Oz productivity in their lifetime!
That's a pretty low bar Election Promise...sadly not one Future Oz leader will ever soar so high.
All see the problem! Only the GST review can restore & reward Oz productivity...Our Future!

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/the-part-of-the-economy-making-woeful...

tbb - a couple of thought provoking posts.

First up, value adding: maybe Henry Ford's approach to make every component in-house is the way to go. thus avoiding the GST merry-go-round... and...make it all on a bus to avoid the crippling land price inputs... #vanmanufacturinglyfe

Post before, is it true Jewish parliamentarians are being targeted by C200? Would it be like some kind of teal environmental nuclear nazi U-Boat wolf in community concern sheep's clothing? That would be taller than fiction!

I've voted now. It was nice to do it postal, had time to actually research the parties with the form in front of me.

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velocityjohnno Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 7:35pm
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Read this short piece Indo :

Morrison’s gas cartel triggers huge east coast energy shock

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Morrison’s catastrophe is only complete when one understands that three-quarters of east coast gas is being shipped to China to strengthen its industry (including military). Yet, as Morrison makes an enemy of it, we are gutting the last of our industrial base to guarantee that we have no way to defend ourselves.

The cartel pays no tax, employs few, and spends a lot of money bribing the government. The final insult is that gas sets the marginal cost of electricity so everybody is about to be hammered on that bill, not to mention extra rate hikes.

This is a case of Dutch disease so virulent that it will kill the host.

This has to be close to the most important issue for the future of the country, crickets...

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GuySmiley Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:04pm

NEWS FLASH

@info who pulls harder than a V8 calls someone a tosser!

Bahahaha ...

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:08pm
Hiccups wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Hiccups

When i interacted with you years ago via a friends facebook post, i couldn't believe how much of a far left tosser you were, ive never come across someone via friends who is so extreme and misguided in their ideology, if Antifa were active in Australia i have absolutely no doubt you would be one of those clowns on the streets thinking you are fighting some imaginary fascist, so the care factor on your opinion is minus zero.

You've repeatedly shown that you don't even know what far left means, you absolute pillock.

Pillock

Etymology

In the 16th century, the meaning was "penis".[1] Probably from pillicock (“penis; boy, man”), presumably akin to the slang term dickhead (“inept fool”).[2] Alternatively, from the same basis as pillicock (compare regional Norwegian pill (“penis”)) + the diminutive suffix -ock.

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:11pm

“There does seem to be a bit of empathy and overview missing from his worldview.”

Not only 100% accurate but possibly also the greatest understatement in this thread. So why the continuous kit gloves for this heartless soul?

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:11pm

Or similarly, bell end.

Etymology

A bell end is slang for the head of a penis. It's used in the UK as an insult for a jerk or someone acting stupidly or contemptibly.
It's a bit similar to calling someone a dickhead.

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:18pm

Hence dickhead (noun)

dick·​head | \ ˈdik-ˌhed \
plural dickheads
Definition of dickhead
vulgar slang
: a stupid, contemptible, or annoying man

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:17pm

Maybe cockwomble

Cockwomble (noun)

A person, usually male, prone to making outrageously stupid statements and/or inappropriate behavior while generally having a very high opinion of his own wisdom and importance.

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:23pm

Or halfwit, buffoon, ignoramus, dunce, dolt or cretin.
Possibly nitwit, clod, tomfool or ninny.

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GuySmiley Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:31pm

Gormless Minger

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mattlock Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:36pm

Indiot?

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mattlock Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:38pm

Cockwomble seems most appropriate.

Cretinism is a disease AndyM.

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GuySmiley Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:41pm
mattlock wrote:

Indiot?

Idjit

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:43pm

Duly noted Mattlock.

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AndyM Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 8:44pm

ignoranus

(plural ignoranuses) (slang, vulgar, derogatory) A person who is both stupid and an arsehole.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 9:02pm

Zero interest in pointless insults, if you don't understand wage push inflation and its effect on the ecomomy, you can google it.

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Supafreak Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 9:37pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Zero interest in pointless insults, if you don't understand wage push inflation and its effect on the ecomomy, you can google it.

Indo you do realise we are talking about just under 200,000 people that are on the minimum wage ? Inflation is going to go up even if they don’t get a pay increase and it will be all labor’s fault so win win for you . Edit : my mistake its 235,000 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/12/anthony-albanese-... Scumo looks like a total fruit cake in all this . Do you believe giving 235, 000 workers an extra $1 an hour is going to send inflation out of control and businesses broke ? Scumo got played , well done Albo

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 9:28pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Zero interest in pointless insults, if you don't understand wage push inflation and its effect on the ecomomy, you can google it.

I’m glad you understand wage push inflation and its effects on the economy.

Perhaps you could try googling compassion & empathy & their relationship to being a worthy human being.

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Supafreak Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 9:47pm

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dandandan Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 9:53pm

I can't fathom how you can be a lifelong surfer and a self-confessed conservative. You need to do some soul searching Indo.

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soggydog Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 10:24pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Zero interest in pointless insults, if you don't understand wage push inflation and its effect on the ecomomy, you can google it.

Have gone one better and listened to analysis by economists. All support wage growth and support that there has been strong growth in productivity whilst wages have stagnated with business enjoying the benefits and while workers bear the burden of a situation they didn’t create. I could explain further but as stated numerous times before FreeMoney you are a complete shit cunt and instead can lick my balls.

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mattlock Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 10:34pm

The Jury has spoken Indo.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 10:48pm

swellnet Ballot Box...(Contents)

1 Interactive Electoral Seat Zoom Map
https://absstats.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=daa7d32...

Oz 2022 Poll Results Timeline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_Australian_fe...
2022 National Ballot minimum targets required to Govern.
Primary Vote 35%
ALP 35.53% (vs) Liberal 34.57% (14 polls avg thru the Election Period!)
2 Party Preferred 51.5%
ALP 53.42 (vs) Libs 45.57% (13 Polls avg thru the Election Period!)

Independents are Polling 29.99% (Preference Breakdown)
First Preferences flow > ALP 17.89% vs Libs 11% (Substantial Middle preference)
Indicates Libs can claw back the tightest of seats as preference count progresses!

Postal Vote!
2019 = 9.4% or 1.5m Voters (16% never returned Votes + 3% were invalid )
2022 = 14.1% or 2.4m voters

How do these percentages match the Seating Plans *Increased Vote
Seats 2019 > 2022 yougov poll (All Seats)
Liberal 77/76 > 63
Labor 69/68 > 80
Indy's *3 > 5
Centre 1 > 1
Green *1 > 1
KAP 1 > 1
One Nation *0
UAP *0

Major Parties Vote declined > *Minor Party Vote already rising > 2022 Election.
Current election is a continuation of rising Minor Party Votes...Not new to 2022!

Contested - Ruling Govt Liberal Seats that ALP are targeting to win.
As polled by many varied cross checked sources.

= Lib seat Under threat > Libs have lost this seat! (10 LNP *MP's are retiring)
2019% Lib Seat = / > 2022 Party # Big Scalp or Comment
.4% (Tas) Bass = ALP
.5% (Vic) Chisholm = ALP
1.4% (SA) *Boothby > ALP
3.1% (Tas) Braddon = ALP
3.2% (WA)*Swan > ALP
3.2% (nsw) Reid > ALP
3.3% (Qld) Longman = ALP
3.7% (Vic) Higgins = ALP
4.2% (Qld) Leichhardt > ALP # W. Entsch ( Rebel MP)
4.2% (nsw) Robertson > ALP
4.6% (Vic) *Casey = ALP
4.6% (Qld) Dickson (Green Ant's Wildcard) Dutto! Not even on the We Chat Radar!
4.7% (Vic) Deakin > (Green Ant reckons M. Sukkar might be undermined by ALP)
4.9% (Qld) Brisbane > ALP vs Greens
5% (nsw) Lindsay = ALP
5.2% (WA) *Pearce = ALP # C. Porter
5.6% (Vic) *Flinders > ALP / C 200 (Greg Hunt's old seat invites a threesome)
5.9% (WA) Hasluck = ALP # K. Wyatt
6% (Qld) Ryan = ALP
6.4% (Vic) Kooyong > C 200 # J. Frydenberg
6.9% (nsw) *Bennelong = ALP
6.9% (SA) Sturt = ALP
7.8% (Vic) Goldstein > C 200 # T. Wilson
8.7% (Qld) [nat'] *Flynn = ALP
9.3% (nsw) North Sydney > ALP vs C 200 # Trent Zimmerman
9.4% (nsw) [nat'] Page = ALP
9.5% (WA) Tangney ( Green Ant Wildcard ) # Ben Morton
9.8% (nsw) *Hughes > C 200 # C. Kelly (AUP) (Green Ant : Delay may cost Libs)
9.8% (nsw) Wentworth > C 200 # D. Sharma
13.2% (nsw) Mackellar > C 200 # J. Falinski
13.3% (SA) Grey > (Green Ant reckons it's open if High Roller backs indy candidate!)

Note : Libs Extra High "Middle Preferences" may clawback the closest of Seats!
This will unexpectedly halt and reverse the flow mid count, maybe a goose bump!

Pundits are writing off Libs...perhaps there is large reason for that as shown.
Just as 2019 the Libs are true fighters & may just have a Counter attack in place.
tbb put a lot of work into digging up this fight back...it's there for those who seek it!

No losers here > True Believers score a Pie in the Sky Lucky Dip.
tbb lends hope...scoured the Electorate to muster up a formidable [L] Dad's Army!
Daggy Dad owes tbb 1 free Ukulele Lesson...Dutto's Dracula Fangs will do nicely!
Compassionate offer! If it turns to shit...refocus on these seats only...you can dream!
Can tell ya now! This is not being offered by Libs outside of swellnet forum!

Libs deep cover counter attack Hit List. (7 ALP MPs are retiring...smile!)

0.6% (Qld) Lilley (Green Ant Wildcard!) Not on the Radar!
0.8% (nsw) Eden-Monaro (Green Ant's go to Switcheroo! Yo Yo could be spinnin'.)
0.9% (WA) Cowan ( Green Ant Wild Card!) Not on the Radar!
1% (Vic) Corangamite > Libs (Low hangin' fruit & has been called...Once...maybe?)
1.2% (Qld) Blair (Green Ant Wildcard) Not on the Radar! (Shadow Defence )
1.5% (nsw) Dobell (Green Ant says Libs blew this gig by Delaying Candidate!)....?
2.6% (nsw) Gilmore = Libs (Green Ant says Libs have a better candidate! It's on!)
2.7% (Vic) Dunkley = Libs
2.8% (nsw) Greenway-Green Ant: Better candidate to win back seat off ALP star.
2.9% (Qld) Griffith = Libs # Shadow Enviro' +Water
3% (nsw) *Hunter = Libs -Green Ant's huge call, Libs gaining off ALP Coal busters.
3.5% (nsw) *Parramatta = Libs will have a crack on a fresh upstart seat.
4.4% (nsw) Shortland (Green Ant says Libs are challenging Shadow o/s Pacific MP)
4.9% (Vic) Macnamara (Green Ant : Libs to back a Greens crack at Labor)
5% (nsw) Patterson (Green Ant pick?) Lib/ONP/IMOP/UAP = ALP/Greens ( War! )
Pause! tbb Salutes Green Ant... none would pick this 5% seat to fall, but it's in play!
5.2% (Tas) Lyons - Libs/LD/UAP/ONP/JLN (vs) ALP/Greens/AJP (JBS Livestock War)
5.3% (Vic) Mc Ewen = Lib gang have stacked another combo Preference Battle
5.5% (NT) *Lingiari = Libs- Kill for it! (Voter I.D rort was to bag Xmas Is Stronghold)
8.5% (Vic) Wills (Green Ant > ALP have a battle with Greens)
10.2% (Vic) Hawke = Libs mates have muscled in on a 'Low Green base' ALP seat
14.8% (Vic) Cooper (Green Ant's Biggest Bite!) Greens preference ALP [5] Huh?
17.5% (ACT) Canberra (Green Ant : Lib's multi Combo will bump up Greens!)
[Factcheck] Lib/ONP/UAP/Ind www blank How 2 Votes > Likely onsite Green [2]
Seems as if they're masking preference strategy from ALP for as long as possible.
Both Greens & ALP have their Canberra How to Votes numbered for all to see!

As crew can read > Libs can preference growing list of Green attacks on City Labor!
Not a small amount of seats...this could be a strategic cost free counter attack!
Should they also exempt new candidates from Federal Mess...they bag a few more!
Past measures include clean skin branding to morph as independents!

Sure! But they're are all counter defense...but any Party knows it's effective!
C 200 are spending $500k to knock off Front bench, so ya gotta shop on the cheap!
The fact that Ant is even considering Libs massaging 17.5% swings is so dirty!

ALP target 10% seats > C 200 target 13% seats > Libs target 17% seats!
All of that is so fucked up for Losables / New pastel set / On the nose!
Super audacious to say fuck it...Hey! Let's just rob a bank! Insane it is!

Power Base Shopping > That seat there & 2 of those thanks! Cheers Albo / Scomo!
C'mon! All see this shit goin' down with C 200 BDS Nuke freak's Show Bags!
Wentworth Chick says Climate change impacts on Defence & welcomes Nuke Subs!
Targeted C 200 seaside seats also lend to Hydrogen Power / Desal. (Choose any!)
All of these deals are in the News today & every Week by all our leaders!

Indy Seats
1.4% (Vic) Indi - Libs (Power Grid seat)
5.1% (SA) Mayo - Centre Alliance (Could be another 3 way!)

These are both massive energy / Stock seats attracting election bidders!
Election seats are being horse traded for Oz Defence / Energy / Food supply grid.
All other Candidates run Fast Rail ads that go nowhere fast...need to be on the gravy train!

2016/19 Senate
LNP 36 ALP 26 Greens 9 Others 5

2019 > 36 Continue > LNP 17 ALP 11 Greens 6 Others 2

2016/2022 Half Senate Election
40 Face re-election > LNP 19 ALP 15 Greens 3 Others 3

Enter the Green Ant Chamber here...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal-election-2022/

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 7:30am
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indo-dreaming wrote:

Zero interest in pointless insults, if you don't understand wage push inflation and its effect on the ecomomy, you can google it.

Indo you do realise we are talking about just under 200,000 people that are on the minimum wage ? Inflation is going to go up even if they don’t get a pay increase and it will be all labor’s fault so win win for you . Edit : my mistake its 235,000 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/12/anthony-albanese-... Scumo looks like a total fruit cake in all this . Do you believe giving 235, 000 workers an extra $1 an hour is going to send inflation out of control and businesses broke ? Scumo got played , well done Albo

No offence but I'm going to take the word of economist over your own opinion, but im sure you can also find economist that will down play things too, its just the nature of the internet and media these days

Anyway that other link was interesting.
https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/poverty/

Poverty declined during the majority of the Howard year's but then increased when the economy really boomed.

Howard 97-2007

"Poverty declined substantially from 13.1% in 1999
to 11.5% in 2003, then rose sharply during the boom years to 14.4% in 2007. "

You can assume this is because poverty (so called) is based on 50% of the median wage, so if people earn more overall the poverty level increases (possibly mining boom lifted median wage)

Then Labor lowered it in 2009 with a pension increase.

Labor Late 2007-Late 2013

"Following the Global Financial Crisis in 2007-08 and a pension increase in 2009, it fell to 12.6%, then rose modestly to 13.1% in 2017.12"

Noting that most people in poverty are on government/welfare benefits, so the easiest way to lift people out of poverty is to get people off benefits and into jobs.

BTW. You painting us as being behind UK and NZ in poverty rate is technically true but also a bit misleading, UK(11.9%) is almost equal to us(12.1%) and NZ (10.9%)

While many countries are much higher than us including USA (17.8%) Japan (15.7%)

Canada is same as us both 12.1%

BTW. We have the added disadvantage of having remote indigenous communities etc that will always add a little more to things (sadly their situation will never change, unless people move to where jobs are)

PS. Even if we totally disagree thanks for keeping it reasonable civil Super.

As im not interested in replying to people that are just out to abuse or not even read previous post correctly like Soggy dog (nobody me or Scomo etc are against reasonable measured pay increases)

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 7:47am
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I can't fathom how you can be a lifelong surfer and a self-confessed conservative. You need to do some soul searching Indo.

What a weird comment sure most surfers might lean left more than lean right but being a conservative and a surfer is not at all strange. (only on Swellnet)

As ive mentioned many times i use to share views like yours and be a Greens voter for most of my voting life, before making a transition to a more conservative view.

I've done my soul searching i use to be like you whinging about the government and system thinking i can fight it and it was everything else that needed to change not me, it got me nowhere, but my change has brought me the things i desire, family, property, business, life/work balance and even satisfaction with current government & the capitalist democratic system we live under, im more appreciative than I've even been of my life and my country.

But hey each to their own

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dandandan Friday, 13 May 2022 at 8:04am

All I'm hearing is that you changed to be part of the capitalist system and are happy with the Morrison LNP government, which just seems wildly outside of the surfing spirit as I feel and understand it.

I hope it's obvious that I am only part way serious. I've accepted that for decades that surfing is overflowing with people that would happily be conservative capitalists (albeit with a groovy aesthetic and a glowing tan) if it meant they personally benefited from it. For some people that seems fine and even something to celebrate, praising them as "lifestylists" when they're actually just landlords. For others it grinds up against something that seemed intrinsic to surfing, even if it's hard to put what exactly that means into words. It's at least interesting to think about, though Swellnet forums are potentially not the place to do it.

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old-dog Friday, 13 May 2022 at 8:14am

@ AndyM According to the money guru on ACA last night the 5% wages rise will flow on right up to the airline pilots on about 200k p/a, my point was it should only be for those who desperately need it, not so the elite can afford another investment property. A flat $20 p/w for two years for all would be fairer imho.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 8:42am

@Dan

Lets no forget Tony Abbott is a conservative and im pretty sure the only prime minster to surf, yeah im sure he is a bit of a kook, but isn't the real surfing spirit, the best surfer is the one having the most fun.

Id argue most surfers are capitalist even if they don't want to admit it, like most people most surfers main aims in life is to build capital like owning a nice house near the beach, im sure many here have share portfolio's invested in big business, or have business themselves and even investment properties, even Viclocal has a AirBnB

And just look at the success of these upmarket resorts in Maldives or Indo aimed at cashed up surfers, some of these places charge $500USD per night, which does my head in and is hard to comprehend, im not wise guys im the dude spending $5 to $50 a night

Of course there is also some huge surfing companies these days like Billabong, Quicksilver, Rip Curl etc

I mean even Swellnet is part of the capitalist landscape, the aim is to make money by providing surf reports and forecast, and a big part of it is live cameras, in many cases id expect they have exclusive rights to having cameras on a location like a surf club.

That to me is a different level of capitalism because it's not an area where others can freely compete, its like a toll road company on a toll road that can be the only ones to provide the product.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 13 May 2022 at 8:41am

Indo…we are no longer a capitalist society, we are a neoliberal society. The difference is stark.

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating “free” enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers’ rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say “an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone.” It’s like Reagan’s “supply-side” and “trickle-down” economics — but somehow the wealth didn’t trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply — again in the name of reducing government’s role. Of course, they don’t oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF “THE PUBLIC GOOD” or “COMMUNITY” and replacing it with “individual responsibility.” Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves — then blaming them, if they fail, as “lazy”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/scott-morrison-nt-government-darw...

We are in the midst of an extreme ideology which is being pushed as a normal situation by the media and both sides of politics.

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bonza Friday, 13 May 2022 at 8:50am

if it not ok to increase wages now because of inflationary pressure why is it ok to introduce stage 3 tax cuts which will add inflationary pressure?

I mean the real word policies being discussed now and introduced. Not the theory and ones ideal scenario.

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Supafreak Friday, 13 May 2022 at 9:21am

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 9:53am

@Blowin

We are both.

The problem with your post is most of those things are not happening(see below), this whole neo liberalism thing has been happening for about 40 years yeah.

Plus much of how you view these aspects is glass half empty or glass half full, even with your negative spin, i see many of these things as positives and would not want the alternative.

Anyway few things that stood out:

Reduce wages: I mean Australian wages are crazy high we have the highest min wage in the world and a family on 50K is said to be living in poverty which is just crazy.

Education and Health care, Aged Care funding has improved greatly over the years, funding of hospitals, schools close to doubled in less than ten years and aged care funding has more than doubled (Medicare care bulk billing rates have also gone up from 82% to almost 89% in less than ten years)

Privatisation has also been a positive in most cases, imagine if we only still had one phone company or energy company to choose from, yeah sure not everything should be privatised but in general i think its a good thing the government has enough to do without needing to run all these things.

And the thing that always does my head in, is those who think the government is always doing a bad job are those that want everything owned and controlled by the government, makes no sense at all.

As for individual responsibility, god it's at an all time low, nobody wants to take responsibly anymore we are in a age where everyone thinks they deserve everything for free or not willing to work from the bottom up for anything, or a flood or fire happens and everyone expects the government to bail them out.

Deregulation we can only dream, we are so over regulated its a joke

PS. Home today daughter got Covid

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:12am

Best and longest running PM since Howard :P

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:16am

Indo said- “ And the thing that always does my head in, is those who think the government is always doing a bad job are those that want everything owned and controlled by the government, makes no sense at all”

The government didn’t actually run those public institutions we sold. They were run by public servants. The neoliberal ideology is one in which the only role of government, public service and bureaucracy is to funnel public wealth into the hands of big businesses.

Nor sure how you can’t see the problem in those who are in charge actively acting against the best interests of the population at large? Perhaps you don’t even see it that way? I don’t believe you do. I’m not sure how you can even begin to come to that conclusion but there we are.

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Supafreak Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:26am

Happy birthday Scotty 93-BCD11-A-AE24-43-E4-8-A74-DB576-D9539-DF. @indo , hope your daughter gets over covid quickly without any lingering problems. We fly Bali in 2 weeks , I’m staying away from crowds as much as possible, there has been a few cases at school but overall pretty good .

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flollo Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:30am

Jeez, this is a dirty thread. It's as dirty as the political environment being discussed. I have very little time so I will share my views on several topics discussed in the last few pages.

@bonza

On stage 3 tax cuts. 2 things:

1) I think we might disagree on the definition of wealthy. I personally don't consider people earning up to $200k per year wealthy people. Many will probably disagree with me but we will need to leave it at that. Personal circumstances matter a lot. For example, living in Sydney, commuting to work, raising a family with 2-3 kids, and providing education and housing for them requires more funds than doing the same things in another location. My proposal is to add another tax bracket above $250k and tax it 55% or something like that.

2) Justification of the stage 3 tax cuts. My view is that brackets need to change dynamically, ideally yearly with inflation. They are happy to peg my HECS debt and accrue interest but they are not happy to do the same with my taxes? Not fair. Salaries have been growing at ~2% per year over the last decade. Inflation is around the same or a little bit more than that. For example; inflation and salaries are growing 1 for 1 at 2% a year for 10 years (simplistic scenario). In year 10 you are looking at a 21.9% higher nominal salary than in year 1. But your purchasing power is the same as in year 1 (as inflation rose on par with the salary increase). However, you are being taxed more in relation to your standard of living. And I think this is wrong. Happy for you to add other variables into this, like what will pay the debt off, etc which is fair enough but to be honest, it is unlikely we will reach an agreement on this topic.

Now, I believe it is criminal that the tax-free threshold of $18200 hasn't changed in such a long time. It is true that stage 3 tax cuts are skewing towards the higher end of the scale without anything for the lower one. I think this needs to be altered and the overall goal can still be achieved while skewing the distribution closer to a lower scale.

On minimum wage - yes, go for it. I strongly support it. @supa shared the link that says around 250,000 people are on a minimum wage. I thought it was way more than that. To argue it is silly, most businesses don't pay minimum wage anyway and inflation in many areas won't occur.

Bonus - I'm a big fan of free public transport. Whether you are on a high income or low your ticket is still $5 (or whatever it is). Not fair for lower-salaried people. Public transport is a natural monopoly. There is no point in privatising natural monopolies.

On being a surfer and a conservative. I think people need to ask a question about who the 'surfer' is. I love surfing and I will try to do it as much as I can but I would never identify as a 'surfer'. I'm way more than that, if anything I do running more than I do surfing + so many other things that I find it impossible to identify as anything, to be honest.

Finally, @indo mate, you are spending a huge amount of energy arguing around here. I get where you're coming from even though I don't agree with everything. Take some time off or spend more time in other locations. Do work around the house or something, no point repeating the same things with the same crowds and expecting different outcomes.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:27am

I think part of the problem stems from the fact that you’ve fallen for the Big Lie.

The Big Lie states that everything good about Australia is the result of decisions and actions taken by the current government and anything bad is the result of global macroeconomic circumstance.

This is almost completely arse about.

Australians are well off because of global macroeconomic circumstance ie the world needs the natural resources which Australia possess and this makes us a rich nation per capita.

The government of the day has done and continues to do everything in its power to divert this per capita wealth away from everyday citizens and into the hands of their donors / masters.

Australia would literally be better governed by someone flicking a coin on all decisions rather than letting Scott Morrison make the calls. At least with the coin you know there’s a fifty percent chance that some of the decisions will put the Australian people before corporate profit.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:29am

Flollo- You don’t identify as being a surfer?

Huh.

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flollo Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:33am
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

Flollo- You don’t identify as being a surfer?

Huh.

Haha, mate I don't really identify as anything. I mean, if doing surfing recreationally = being a surfer then yes, I'm a surfer. But is that enough to draw parallels into other areas like political views? I don't know, I'm not convinced. What do others think about this, let's discuss it.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 13 May 2022 at 10:53am

* (lost half my post, might leave it until latter)

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Supafreak Friday, 13 May 2022 at 11:55am

Scumo has just admitted to being a shit PM but says if you vote for him he will change. Really ? DC7-B00-A9-40-C3-40-F0-9274-A10685-BB6-AF4

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Optimist Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:19pm

I’ve got a funny feeling supa is going to vote Labor.

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Supafreak Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:32pm
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I’ve got a funny feeling supa is going to vote Labor.

What makes you say that opti ? Did you see a sign ? 194-A7709-09-DE-46-B3-80-C6-896-A1-DE150-C9
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Scotty saw a sign but it took him until today to fess up .

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bonza Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:31pm

Flollo - thanks for the reply. and yeah I do consider that an individual salary of $200k whether you are living in sydney or not, is wealthy. its the kind of coin that would allow you take on a larger mortgage or smaller one with one household wage to enter Sydney's highly profitable property market thus allowing you to generate rapidly rising capital. I disagree that living in sydney or any other city is more expensive than the regions. that may have held some weight pre-covid but certainly not now. dual cars, rego, insurance, fuel, entertainment, sport, food, materials, hospitals. can be very pricey living in the regions. my experience of bulk billing GPs in the regions differs to Indo. Though I'm not sure I'd call PI regional these days. More like a suburb

despite your hypotheticals the reality is the liberal party with labor support is introducing tax measures that overwhelming benefit the wealthy and will add inflationary pressure while also shouting down a wage increase suggestion citing inflationary pressure.

is this what they call trickle down economics?

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bonza Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:48pm
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@Blowin

As for individual responsibility, god it's at an all time low, nobody wants to take responsibly anymore we are in a age where everyone thinks they deserve everything for free or not willing to work from the bottom up for anything, or a flood or fire happens and everyone expects the government to bail them out.

That's the irony - Lib & nat voters who all want the government out of their lives until their property is hit by a flood, coastal inundation or fire.

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I focus Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:57pm
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Privatisation has also been a positive in most cases

PS. Home today daughter got Covid

Living in a bubble there, East Coast power grid is a mess and on the edge of failure regularly SA style (I know insiders) given its critical it should not be in private hands and the costs are well known to be higher WA being an example of remaining in Gov hands.

PS hope the daughter is OK