2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:42am
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On the day of the 2019 election Sportsbet had Labor $1.15 and the LNP at $7.
I wouldn't predict anything.
I believe they may have knobbled the AEC like they have everything else.
Indo that post was hilarious."Couldn't have asked for a better run", could've got the fricken vaxxes a year earlier for a start!

There was plenty of AZ the vaccine that on paper always made the most sense to use being able to be manufacture in Australia and not being mRNA based so in theory being the vaccine most likely to have lowest vaccine hesitancy.

Not to mention to reduce vaccine hesitancy we were never going to rush things through, this was said early in the piece.

Obviously nobody could have predicated the blood clot issues, and obviously after that demand became higher for vaccines like Pfizer meaning supplies went to countries over run wth Covid not tp countries with no or very little Covid.

Hence why New Zealand also didnt get Pfizer until we did and were in exactly the same boat.

You know that, but it doesnt fit your narrative.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:42am

"even clocking up the worlds longest lockdown".
The blame for last three Victorian lockdowns doesn't lie with Dan Andrews. They never would have happened if Scumo didn't fuck up the Vaccine rollout. They never would have happened if Gladys didn't stuff up quarantine. They never would have happened if Gladys took the expert's advice and implemented a proper lockdown. And the other wave came from LNP controlled SA.
Vic's big lockdown in 2020 protected all the other states you stupid ass. We took an economic bullet for the country. In 2021, Gladys was so fucking arrogant that she believed in her "gold standard" BS, spread the virus all over the country and forced other states to lock down too.
There's a reason why the LNP are despised in Victoria. That last big lockdown is entirely their fault.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:51am

Ha ha put the crack pipe down.

I have to admit though i initially thought Gladys really fucked up with Delta, but it became obvious pretty quickly when Victoria locked down hard and cases still rose and got out of control, that it was irrelevant, delta was a different beast and was always going to get out and was almost impossible to control.

And now with hindsight thank fuck it got out and fast tracked things, otherwise the vaccine rollout would have dragged on like WA, NT & QLD and we would still be playing this stupid keep Covid out game.

Hopefully it looks like this new variant is here too so we dont go back to that game.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 10:35am

Wow ID,
So you're having a crack at Dan Andrews for his lockdowns, but excusing Gladys for her lockdown because it was Delta.
Same strain, two completely different standards depending on whether your beloved LNP is in charge, or whether Dan Andrews is the boss.
And apparently Gladys allowing it to spread across the country is a good thing according to you. I'm tipping you wouldn't be saying "well done Dan" if that strain started in Vic, and he ignored the medical advice, and let it spread across the country.
ID. Maybe you should put down the crack pipe.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 10:50am

Seriously why would anyone bother wasting time engaging @info who has demonstrated himself over a decade or more here to be the most rigid supporter of right wing politics, overlooking corruption the likes of which the country has ever seen, a cherry picker supreme master and outright bullshiter as demonstrated by this morning contributions. You can’t argue with stupid so why bother?

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 10:55am

You can’t argue with stupid so why bother?
GS, I was just procrastinating a couple of really disgusting household chores. Time to go and clean the sink s-bend and do a tip run with some truly foul smelling rubbish.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 1:51pm
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Seriously why would anyone bother wasting time engaging @info who has demonstrated himself over a decade or more here to be the most rigid supporter of right wing politics, overlooking corruption the likes of which the country has ever seen, a cherry picker supreme master and outright bullshiter as demonstrated by this morning contributions. You can’t argue with stupid so why bother?

Sorry dude but your memory is cooked and per normally you are full of shit.

I was still a leftie when i first started posting here, embarrassing as it is i even voted for Krudd mostly on the back of the NBN thing as i use to work in Fibre Optics, before that i voted Greens, the 2013 election i voted Sustainable population party, i even remember defending Peter Garret in an article here and bagging the shit out of Abbott, still don't like him though, last election was the first time i voted for a conservative party ever.

My outlook started to change about 2015 when those two from the Bali 9 got shot, then i remembering doing one of those who should you really vote for test online and realised all my social and economical ideologies had actually become conservative leaning, and then well the whole woke movement kind of added fuel to the fire.

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I focus Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 2:17pm

ID not sure about the other states but a big reason WA got caught behind because early in the stroll out our Pfizer supplies got diverted to NSW and you mob all the time Morrison / Gladys played politics with WA who actually controlled Delta outbreaks all be it with some luck.

You couldn't get Pfizer here unless front line health even then it was patchy, age care homes came much much later.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 2:30pm

When the Gladys outbreak started to kick in, vaccines were also diverted from Vic to NSW. At first it was consensual and then Scumo did it in secret.
Let's not forget this was a time when it was painfully obvious NSW was not locking down effectively.
When it was exposed that extra vaccines were being shipped to Sydney (at the expense of other states) Andrews said "we aren't giving up our vaccines so Sydneysiders can have picnics". Well the inevitable happened. The Gladys outbreak spread to Vic after we'd given them more than their fair share of vaccines.
And some people wonder why the LNP is trailing Labor by 20 points in Victoria. We paid a very high price for the arrogance and shitfuckery of Scumo and Gladys.

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Supafreak Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 2:34pm

Pfizer wasn’t just diverted from other states to Sydney, it was also diverted from regional nsw . I had friends who were booked in for Pfizer only to have their appointment canceled and year 12 students in Sydney became the priority.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 2:53pm
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Pfizer wasn’t just diverted from other states to Sydney, it was also diverted from regional nsw . I had friends who were booked in for Pfizer only to have their appointment canceled and year 12 students in Sydney became the priority.

All in a wasted attempt to let Sydneysiders go to cafes and pubs for an extra couple of weeks. What a farce. And here's the rub, Gladys fucked up massively, she was involved corruption, resigned in disgrace, and the LNP still lord her as an awesome politician. Geez they know how to protect their own rubbish.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 3:28pm
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Supafreak wrote:

Pfizer wasn’t just diverted from other states to Sydney, it was also diverted from regional nsw . I had friends who were booked in for Pfizer only to have their appointment canceled and year 12 students in Sydney became the priority.

All in a wasted attempt to let Sydneysiders go to cafes and pubs for an extra couple of weeks. What a farce. And here's the rub, Gladys fucked up massively, she was involved corruption, resigned in disgrace, and the LNP still lord her as an awesome politician. Geez they know how to protect their own rubbish.

.... and Morrison throws mud at ICAC for doing its job in defence of “ the hot mess” even before the investigation /hearing has concluded. The right defend the law and its pillars until it doesn’t suit them!!

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 3:36pm

It's really not a hard concept to understand that vaccines would always go to the areas in the most need first, either areas with outbreaks or risk of outbreaks Sydney, Melb and other large cities nearby.

Thats just common sense, in exactly the same way developed countries with Covid running rampant were always going to get priority over developed countries with no to little Covid.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 3:48pm
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It's really not a hard concept to understand that vaccines would always go to the areas in the most need first, either areas with outbreaks or risk of outbreaks Sydney, Melb and other large cities nearby.

Thats just common sense, in exactly the same way developed countries with Covid running rampant were always going to get priority over developed countries with no to little Covid.

And if a jurisdiction is getting vaccines from another state, there's a bloody obligation to do a proper lockdown so it doesn't spread. That's just common sense and common decency.
Gladys got vaccines from all other states, she was warned that her lockdown was not working by medical experts, she ignored them and spent two weeks bullshitting about gold standards, and then she finally shut the gate well after Delta had spread all across the country and to NZ.
She's corrupt and incompetent, and the LNP fucking love her. That says everything you need to know about that shitty political party.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 4:15pm

Scumo just got booed at the Bathurst 1000. Ouch. Looks like the motor heads have been paying attention.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 4:24pm

Yep it was Gladys' response, ignoring Chant, that let it spread and sank Vic for a final time. The sinking is still going on while NSW recovers, which is really sad and I wonder if Vic is just unusually cursed or unlucky after being the only place in the western world to put an outbreak down to zero.

You can see it here

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_VIC_2021.html

and honestly it looks like it could take off again just as easily. That's LNP decisions not to act that occurred midyear. Bring on the election.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 4:28pm

& extra, the sad thing about Dan's passing his legislation is now the CHO doesn't make the call, it's the Premier - so future pandemics are political in response and that just makes for a shitstorm as we are currently undergoing.

Australia's response was initially very good as the nation's CHO was in charge of pandemic response and could do it from a medical, not political, standpoint. All that has been pissed away now.

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etarip Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 4:36pm
Vic Local wrote:

Scumo just got booed at the Bathurst 1000. Ouch. Looks like the motor heads have been paying attention.

That’s a surprise. Concerning for the LNP strategists, especially as that’s the demographic he’s been courting hard. In NSW too, which has been considered safe (ish) for them.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 5:46pm
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Yep it was Gladys' response, ignoring Chant, that let it spread and sank Vic for a final time. The sinking is still going on while NSW recovers, which is really sad and I wonder if Vic is just unusually cursed or unlucky after being the only place in the western world to put an outbreak down to zero.

You can see it here

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_VIC_2021.html

and honestly it looks like it could take off again just as easily. That's LNP decisions not to act that occurred midyear. Bring on the election.

Your link clearly shows that lockdowns dont work for Delta despite Vic being under lockdown from Aug 15th even with curfews numbers still rose very fast all the way until almost October 15th.

It was only when vaccination rates hit a certain point that things became under control.

It's clear proof that its irrelevant what NSW would have done Delta was always going to blow up, the whole narrative VL is banging on about above is now outdated with the beauty of hindsight

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 5:49pm

Vic put down a smaller delta wave just before the removalists one. Perth put down a delta wave
NT too
etc

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Vic Local wrote:

Scumo just got booed at the Bathurst 1000. Ouch. Looks like the motor heads have been paying attention.

That’s a surprise. Concerning for the LNP strategists, especially as that’s the demographic he’s been courting hard. In NSW too, which has been considered safe (ish) for them.

Australia’s very own “Let’s go Brandon!” moment.

Scummocchio is a political dead man walking.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 6:15pm

Where do you start unpacking how truly unhinged the national party is? They are basically a pack of drunks, chancers, and conspiracy theorists holding the government to ransom on so many issues.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/05/nationals-senator...
The drunken violent Senator in this story is being replaced by someone even worse. Christ almighty they are awful.

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I focus Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 7:12pm
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velocityjohnno wrote:

Yep it was Gladys' response, ignoring Chant, that let it spread and sank Vic for a final time. The sinking is still going on while NSW recovers, which is really sad and I wonder if Vic is just unusually cursed or unlucky after being the only place in the western world to put an outbreak down to zero.

You can see it here

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_VIC_2021.html

and honestly it looks like it could take off again just as easily. That's LNP decisions not to act that occurred midyear. Bring on the election.

Your link clearly shows that lockdowns dont work for Delta despite Vic being under lockdown from Aug 15th even with curfews numbers still rose very fast all the way until almost October 15th.

It was only when vaccination rates hit a certain point that things became under control.

It's clear proof that its irrelevant what NSW would have done Delta was always going to blow up, the whole narrative VL is banging on about above is now outdated with the beauty of hindsight

From an outsiders view it looked more like the Vics had lockdown exhaustion and hence poor compliance leading to uncontrolled spread.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 8:26pm

Maybe it could be a bit of a factor as yeah people were over lockdowns and not giving a fuck, thats the problem when the measures implemented are over the top.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 8:45pm
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Maybe it could be a bit of a factor as yeah people were over lockdowns and not giving a fuck, thats the problem when the measures implemented are over the top.

So let me get this straight.
Victoria knocked a delta wave on the head, then a few months later the Gladys outbreak spread to Vic and it spread very quickly largely due to removalists being fuckwits. Victoria had woeful vaccination rates due to Scumo's fuck up, and somehow Gladys, Scumo, and the dickhead removalists aren't to blame. All along it was Andrews' fault because he introduced health measures that were successful in the past.
ID, your ability to shift blame is up their with Scumo's. In fact I think you actually out do him at blame shifting. That takes a special talent..

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:37pm

Yep lockdown exhaustion was a factor in Vic finally going under. Now Vic gets to have it every single day. It's an interesting point that Indo made that only when vaccination rates reached a level that it got under control. It could be said to be true that the vaccinations have greatly lessened chance of hospitalisation etc, but at the same time, look at the chart in the link, R(Eff) hovers around 1 and it could go either way, and in this respect it's not yet under control here. WA (bless their socks) rate Vic as extreme risk, their highest level in the nation. The vaccines have been said to be 'leaky' ie, you can still get it and transmit it in some cases - and this is why other countries are still going to use restrictions, even lockdowns, when yet more waves hit. Much better to have none of it on a big island in the first place, and stopping transmission stops it properly.

SA and QLD also put down outbreaks which were delta iirc.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:00am
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Yep lockdown exhaustion was a factor in Vic finally going under. Now Vic gets to have it every single day. It's an interesting point that Indo made that only when vaccination rates reached a level that it got under control. It could be said to be true that the vaccinations have greatly lessened chance of hospitalisation etc, but at the same time, look at the chart in the link, R(Eff) hovers around 1 and it could go either way, and in this respect it's not yet under control here. WA (bless their socks) rate Vic as extreme risk, their highest level in the nation. The vaccines have been said to be 'leaky' ie, you can still get it and transmit it in some cases - and this is why other countries are still going to use restrictions, even lockdowns, when yet more waves hit. Much better to have none of it on a big island in the first place, and stopping transmission stops it properly.

SA and QLD also put down outbreaks which were delta iirc.

" Now Vic gets to have it every single day"

And thank god for that, the best thing that ever happened during Covid was it getting out of control, and fast tracking everything.

You really think its realistic or a positive thing to live separated from the world like 2020-21 trying to keep some virus out???

Fuck that, especially with a crazy power hungry dictator like Dan in power.

I doubt we would have got such high vaccination rates without both the threat of the virus and the blackmailing of not being open up until 70-80% vaccination rates

The vaccines do seem to work for a period, but as we know the efficiency fades over time.

We have also seen in other countries like India and Indonesia, waves naturally burn out when large amounts of the population get infected, but yeah there is toll for this approach.

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GuySmiley Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:10am

This in the comments section of The Age this morning referencing Morrison’s photo op at Bathurst yesterday ...

” The PM wasn’t driving as per usual, he was being a passenger and someone else was carrying him”.

Or this

“Car racing a good analogy for this govt.
Lots of money spent, lots of noise made and they’re just gone around in circles”.

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andy-mac Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:43am
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Where do you start unpacking how truly unhinged the national party is? They are basically a pack of drunks, chancers, and conspiracy theorists holding the government to ransom on so many issues.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/05/nationals-senator...
The drunken violent Senator in this story is being replaced by someone even worse. Christ almighty they are awful.

Not quite here yet though... give it an election cycle or 2. :(

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/05/republican-thomas-massie...

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A Salty Dog Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:30am

Andy-mac,

The fuckwits have been here for a while:

The song was produced by Bill Chambers father of Kasey, I believe.

Lee's Wiki page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Lee_(hunter)

God help us.

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andy-mac Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:40am
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Andy-mac,

The fuckwits have been here for a while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

The song was produced by Bill Chambers father of Kasey, I believe.

Lee's Wiki page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Lee_(hunter)

God help us.

FFS,
Dangerous pathetic people....
Only gun needed in Oz is something over 7'2 in certain parts........

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andy-mac Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 3:55pm

Tell us what you really think Jordan.... :)

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happyppl Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 5:40pm
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@VL

We already know how useless Labor has been in Victoria during Covid with the highest infection and death rate in Australia and even clocking up the worlds longest lockdown (no easy feat), let's not even talk about the jobs and business destroyed.

Now imagine that on a national scale.

And you want to talk about reckless spending, as we know Australia is approaching one of the highest vaccination rates in the world.

But remember Albo wanting to pay people $300 each to get the Covid vaccine?

Imagine how pointless that money would have been

There is about 20 millions people in Australia over 18

Now 20 million X $300 = $6,000,000,000 (six billion)

We dont know how many would have got vaccinated but 4 to 5 billion wasted would have been realistic .

And that figure could have been bigger if they paid people under 18.

indo...if scomo did his job of takeing charge of our quaranteen laws allso gladys regarding the "ruby princess" 1 and 2 yes there were 2 cruises where ppl had covid that they were aware of and not let the hords disembark enmass to ALL states then vic would'nt of been in the situation it was.
stop victim blameing victoria for lnp gross incompetence.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 7:16pm
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@VL

We already know how useless Labor has been in Victoria during Covid with the highest infection and death rate in Australia and even clocking up the worlds longest lockdown (no easy feat), let's not even talk about the jobs and business destroyed.

Now imagine that on a national scale.

And you want to talk about reckless spending, as we know Australia is approaching one of the highest vaccination rates in the world.

But remember Albo wanting to pay people $300 each to get the Covid vaccine?

Imagine how pointless that money would have been

There is about 20 millions people in Australia over 18

Now 20 million X $300 = $6,000,000,000 (six billion)

We dont know how many would have got vaccinated but 4 to 5 billion wasted would have been realistic .

And that figure could have been bigger if they paid people under 18.

indo...if scomo did his job of takeing charge of our quaranteen laws allso gladys regarding the "ruby princess" 1 and 2 yes there were 2 cruises where ppl had covid that they were aware of and not let the hords disembark enmass to ALL states then vic would'nt of been in the situation it was.
stop victim blameing victoria for lnp gross incompetence.

Um dude you might want to put the crack pipe down.

Ruby princess dates back to mid March to early April had nothing at all to do with Victorias major wave that resulted in almost 800 deaths, for perspective Ruby Princess was right at the start of the pandemic most countries closed borders around the week of the 20th March, pretty much the same time Ruby princess docked.

Victoria's major wave from complete bungle of quarantine that resulted in close to 800 deaths, you know the one where even an enquiry couldn't find who made the major decision to hire some dodgy security firm happened in June, months latter.

Here is a graph for perspective

Ha ha victim blaming?

You cant be serious Dan is far far from sa victim quite the opposite, the people of Victoria are victims of his incompetence, almost 800 dead are victims as are people like my cousin who lost his business from the lockdowns.

Maybe you need to read this as your memory seems cooked.

"Victoria's disastrous hotel quarantine program responsible for 768 deaths, inquiry hears

It’s being blamed for 768 deaths, 18,000 infections and an entire state being sent into a devastating lockdown, so how did Victoria’s disastrous hotel quarantine program go so wrong?

The controversial program made international headlines when private security guards breached infection control, which allowed the virus to spread into the community, creating a devastating second wave.

Here’s a timeline of how it all played out."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victorias-disastrous-hot...

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stunet Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 7:16pm

Indo, how many times does that $6 billion (of unspent money) go into the actual $40 billion the LNP handed out to profitable companies with no clawback method?

#bettereconomicmanagers

#myarsehole

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 7:26pm
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Indo, how many times does that $6 billion go into the $40 billion the LNP handed out to profitable companies with no clawback method?

#bettereconomicmanagers

#myarsehole

All you Labor lovers would whinge whatever LNP did, it's not even worth arguing about, it's dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

End of the day though id much rather hear you guys whinge and people keep their jobs and companies not go bust and the economy keep ticking over and i still have work.

Than the LNP not spend money keeping business afloat and the economy going to shit and still having to listen to you guys whinge and not have work.

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Vic Local Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 7:30pm

You are such a clown ID.
You scream and carry on about the Victorian lockdown making Dan Andrews your public enemy number 1. Sure the lockdown was shit but it was effective. Vic took an economic hit to stop the virus spreading to other states. NSW on the other hand, ran a botched lockdown. Delta spread all over the country and to NZ, and you think Gladys is some kind of hero.
Gladys believed her own "gold standard" bullshit, and handed the rest of the country a giant economic shit sandwich. And you reckon she's a master chef.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 7:55pm

@VL

You can paint it how you want but the facts and stats DONT lie.

Reality is Gladys did a very good job until the last hurdle despite having much more incoming arrivals and a larger more dense population.

Dan on the other hand didnt even jump the first hurdle and mowed every hurdle down.

Deaths

Vic= 1,378
NSW= 630

Actually deaths in Victoria outnumber all other states combined, same deal with total case numbers there has been more cases in Victoria than all other states combined..

Victoria longest number of days locked down in the WORLD.

I mean FFS you cant get worse than that, not just Australia but the world.

The lockdown might have been effective, but it's like praising someone for putting out your burning house when it's burnt to the ground, after they light it on fire.

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indo-dreaming wrote:
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Indo, how many times does that $6 billion go into the $40 billion the LNP handed out to profitable companies with no clawback method? #bettereconomicmanagers #myarsehole

All you Labor lovers would whinge whatever LNP did, it's not even worth arguing about, it's dammed if you do dammed if you don't. End of the day though id much rather hear you guys whinge and people keep their jobs and companies not go bust and the economy keep ticking over and i still have work. Than the LNP not spend money keeping business afloat and the economy going to shit and still having to listen to you guys whinge and not have work.

It's odd the things I remember...

A while back, in your less dogged days, you researched Labor's and Liberal's economic credentials over the years and found that they were pretty much on par with each other. The notion cruelling the cliched line about Labor being profligate with money.

Ironically, the last few years have shown it's the LNP who are profligate with taxpayer money - to a degree far beyond anything seen in Oz history - yet like a Concrete Conservative you still say Labor are the wanton spenders.

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sypkan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:20pm
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You are such a clown ID.
You scream and carry on about the Victorian lockdown making Dan Andrews your public enemy number 1. Sure the lockdown was shit but it was effective. Vic took an economic hit to stop the virus spreading to other states. NSW on the other hand, ran a botched lockdown. Delta spread all over the country and to NZ, and you think Gladys is some kind of hero.
Gladys believed her own "gold standard" bullshit, and handed the rest of the country a giant economic shit sandwich. And you reckon she's a master chef.

geez you know how to spin it...

the point is dan fucked up with his extreme version of neoliberalism security solution.... (from a labor government no less!!) ...endangering other states.... ....but for you, your version... the lockdown was 'shit' but 'vicco was taking a hit for the other states'...

now that there is some gold standard...

spin and bullshit basically

as to gladys... what happened to your version... your prediction... of NSW desperately opening up despite cases going up and hospitals feeling pressure?

oh that's right, it didn't happen... because NSW got on top of it...

again...

meanwhile in vicco, with dan your hero... they opened up, despite cases booming, and hospitals feeling the pressure...

something only a liberal 'incompetent' NSW government would do apparently...

according to you, and your now legendary litany of nostradamus like anti predictions

you're a fucking clown

how you think your dan's minion version of events has any merit, and you have the right to shout it at everyone, every day, is just mind blowing

hilariously so

clown

king of clowns

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Vic Local Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:06pm

Here's the thing ID, you'd sook even harder if Andrews took the Gladys option and spread the virus all over the country. If Gladys took the Andres option and implemented a hard lockdown saving the other states, you'd say she was a hero.
There's literally no option that Andrews could take that would please you. you're just like the Vic LNP. Always crying, zero solutions.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:18pm

Anyway this phone poll from today is interesting, United Australia Party ahead of the Greens in Victoria state voting poll.


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sypkan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:26pm

"Anyway this phone poll from today is interesting, United Australia Party ahead of the Greens in Victoria state voting poll."

haha

in melbourne no less....

bahahahahaha

and ... oh gaaaawd... cue the outrage monger...

again...

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andy-mac Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:33pm

News Corp land line poll....
Mmmmm propaganda machine kicks into gear. Palmer, has he paid his Qld workers yet the fat prick? If he gets the Rona which is coming and he not vaxxed he might not make it til election.
Only one Poll counts .....

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sypkan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:32pm

and, look at those 2018 numbers!

that's where the real story is

despite dan's batter boy rattling on...

'10 points' ... 'vic liberals a cooked lobster' ... ' nazis' ... 'white supremacy' ... blah blah blah...

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GuySmiley Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:37pm

Yet more bullshit from @info.

You know because we have had this conversation many times over the last 2 years the deaths you refer to are mostly in aged care. You also know that aged care is a federal govt responsibility. You know that it is the federal govt that approves, regulates, accredits, funds/defunds and monitors aged care facilities principally via the federal govts legislated prescribed outcome standards including INFECTION CONTROL. You know infection control includes establishing polices, procedures and standards to guard residents against things like COVID.

Fuck, you slimy piece of sea-square you already know all this yet you persevere with your bullshit ...........

You already know that despite the early and tragic death of residents in NSW nursing homes the federal govt did nothing to instruct its age care accreditation agency to warn, prepare, instruct its aged care facilities about COVID. You also know the federal govt age care minister and his senior health minister did not know of any plans by anyone anywhere to prepare facilities against COVID.

Now you love blaming the state govts for these deaths you puss filled shithead. In fact it was the state govts that got left to clean up Morrison's mess in aged care facilities including a family member of mine who is a highly trained acute care nurse who worked in the worse of conditions for days (12+ hrs per day in full PPE) and who needed counselling to help her deal with what she saw - confused residents in shit and piss covered clothing locked in their rooms, not fed or hydrated for days, needing the fire bridge to smash open the doors because the last thing the federal govt staff did before deserting the ship was to lock people in their rooms.

The state govts and the highly trained / elite nursing staff that worked in these facilities need our praise not more bullshit from the likes of you. You're just a miserable lying piece of shit now FO>

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velocityjohnno Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:49pm

It's getting heated but I'll try to reply to Indo, above.

"And thank god for that, the best thing that ever happened during Covid was it getting out of control, and fast tracking everything.

You really think its realistic or a positive thing to live separated from the world like 2020-21 trying to keep some virus out???

Fuck that, especially with a crazy power hungry dictator like Dan in power.

I doubt we would have got such high vaccination rates without both the threat of the virus and the blackmailing of not being open up until 70-80% vaccination rates

The vaccines do seem to work for a period, but as we know the efficiency fades over time.

We have also seen in other countries like India and Indonesia, waves naturally burn out when large amounts of the population get infected, but yeah there is toll for this approach."

I can't say letting it get out of control was a good thing, I'm too close to the vulnerable to say that. But now it is, so I'll tread the best path I can.

I do think it's realistic to separate during a pandemic. From history, we know the 1919 flu was around for 3 years or so. If this is allegorical, then we've opened too early. I say this knowing that as a virus evolves it selects for greater infectiousness and less lethality, which is something we would want to see. I also say this assuming it's a real virus and not a giant hoax. Is it positive? To be separated from the world during a pandemic? Maybe; yes. There would be some positives.

Agree on power hungry - the legislation concentrates power in the hands of the politicians. Not good.

Agree also that the threat got vaccination rates higher, fast. Another kettle of worms opens on whether this is a good thing, as seen on these forums. Agree on vaccines working and seeming to have a limited time.

India/Indo, natural burn out and toll - yes, there is. The question is, if you could avoid it, would you? I'm an empath, so I will always select for preserving life; it's also in my training to do so and was in my professional and post-professional career to be this way. Not all people think this way and that's just how we are as people.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:54pm

@ Guy

Yes we have all heard your lame arse excuses, and they dont stack up, as we all know and ive told you 100 times, if Dan didn't screw up quarantine there would be no Covid running rampant in 2020.

You know kind of like how the other states managed things for the majority of the time.

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gragagan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 8:56pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

@ Guy

Yes we have all heard your lame arse excuses, and they dont stack up, as we all know and ive told you 100 times, if Dan didn't screw up quarantine there would be no Covid running rampant in 2020.

You know kind of like how the other states managed things for the majority of the time.

Bullshit ya goose
Gladys and scummo fucked up
Typical lnp stooge