Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:03pm

Craig- you are missing the point . I am not antivax . Have always had them . I am anti tyranny .

Mandating vaxes was previously not threatened and is now law . Some people are sick of governments overstepping their authority is so many ways and this might be the straw that breaks the camels back .

Many of my friends that are vaxed agree . I am going to get vaxed . Not because I want to but because I have to . That makes me angry and I will still be against mandatory vaccination .

You people don't seem to understand it is a "Freedom of Choice " issue . We have so much less say in what we can do today than 10 years ago . My business and yours will see regulators/governments telling us what we have to do to comply more and more .

It is getting close to the stage ( luckily I am near the end of my working life ) where I will say they can go and get f...ed . Its is not worth it and is not fun anymore . In 10 years you will agree with me if it continues .

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Craig Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:09pm

Just a passing comment Hutchy, not aimed at anyone in particular. Needed to get off my chest.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:15pm

Before you all say Covid is different I will say not it is NOT .

If we were told that next years flu strain was going to be more than three times deadly and more contagious they would mandate vaccines .

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bonza Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:20pm

"I am going to get vaxed"

wait. what? you r not vaxxed yet? you live in melbourne. over 60 and not vaxxed.
hurry the fuck up. we r doing this for you

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:22pm

Sorry Craig but I find that hard to believe you were not directing the comment at me . Not worried about it in the slightest .

You were just doing what happens regularly on this site . Pilling in on a dissenter . I am happy to be the centre of ridicule if I believe I am right . Always have believed in going against the crowd ( in the work I do it has proved to be a sound strategy ) .

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Supafreak Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:30pm

Is this thread ending soon as well ?

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bonza Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:31pm

hahah. i was just stirring supa.. I'll back down

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shoredump Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:36pm
Supafreak wrote:

Is this thread ending soon as well ?

Oops my bad
Here’s a proactive dog

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garyg1412 Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:38pm

Hutchy would you like me to organise a few violinists for you :):)

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Blowin Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:41pm
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Yeah very noisy, seeing as we're heading towards 90% first dose in vaccination in NSW but all I see on social media and here is the anti-vax crew.

99 percent of people who I know who’ve had the vaccine have done it because they’ve been coerced into it I literally know one person who’s had it out of genuine concern for the virus and themselves and another person who had it out of concern for their kids . A few I’m not sure about as I didn’t ask but pretty much everyone else has it because “I don’t really want it but they’ll force you to get it sooner or later “

So that 90% first vaccination rate is probably totally unrepresentative of the fear mongering. Don’t mistake threatening peoples livelihoods and freedoms with fear over the death plague. As said before ….if the virus was as hectic as claimed the government wouldn’t have to use blackmail and hostage diplomacy to get people vaccinated.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:45pm

@bonza , no worries mate , I’ve actually just posted a avi video on the vax or not page , it’s a protest from health workers in Melbourne who aren’t opposing vaccination , but are against mandatory vaccination . In queensland 10% of police force are refusing vaccination, government has said they can handle the extra workload , they stand to lose 1200 police and are hurrying up the graduation process . To keep this thread free I will post future stuff on the vax or not page .

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stunet Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 3:49pm

Wife and son just returned from Wollongong Hospital six hours later than expected. Second visit in three days, both times told he was booked in only to find he wasn't on the list and he'd have to wait. In total that's fourteen hours of being passed from one ward to another, with today my wife being told to have a COVID test, wait two hours for a result only to find out the boy needs it and wait another length of time. Established comm systems just aren't working.

All the while staff have to scatter waiting patients outside using hastily-applied (and little-understood) protocols when COVID patients are being shifted about - which happened enough to be unnerving.

Main reason for the bedlam is W/gong now taking more of Sydney's overflow patients and the hospital unable to cope.

The kid's booked in for surgery at 8am tomorrow and we're hoping the unit has its shit together as he's already freaking.

Not sure if this is a sign of the medical situation post re-opening but it doesn't bode well.

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Blowin Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 4:17pm

That’s heavy. Hospitals and surgery are bad enough. Poor bugger. Must be so draining and hard for your lady too. Stay strong mate.

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stunet Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 4:22pm

Cheers. He's consoled by getting pizza tonight.

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Craig Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 4:30pm

Ha, the best consolation!

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JQ Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 5:01pm

Clearly old mate spartacus' mental health is seriously compromised...

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sypkan Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 5:09pm

speaking of mental health, ...and compromised... not in the same sentence...

what a minefield...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-people-are-up-in-arms-about-the-l...

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wally Tuesday, 28 Sep 2021 at 5:12pm

The useful thing about the nebulous “silent majority” is that you can ascribe to them any opinion you like. They are very handy.

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Robwilliams Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 1:24pm

the silent majority must be content and comfortable with a new world fast approaching who ever they are.

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 1:51pm

So the dumb arse 'to vax or not to vax, that is the question?!' thread has been chucked down the dungeon/cellar!

Hah!

Anyways, here's one for the good ol' SN boys.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/09/conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-left-...

"I'm Spasticus!"

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Craig Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 3:09pm

Fascinating setup, there's a bit on!

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Blowin Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 4:10pm

This seems to reflect the demographics on here. Young hearts run free.

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freeride76 Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 4:11pm

sort of.

still 60%+ of GenZ kids who believe the law is more important than freedom.

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Blowin Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 4:45pm

Going by the 15 odd years between arbitrarily grouped generations, there should be a new generation commencing during the initial era of Covid.

You reckon they’ll be soft cock chicken shit (SCCS ) or burst out of the vag swinging for the fences?

What do we call the 2007-2021 kids? Generation House Arrest?

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freeride76 Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 4:56pm

hahahahah.

my boy will remember it differently.

been non stop surfing/skateboarding for him.

I think country kids have had it different to city kids, especially Melbourne groms.

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troppo dichotomy Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 5:00pm

Gen Vaxxed

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stunet Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 5:15pm

We live across the road from a big park where games of chasing / tip / whatever-you-call-it have been renamed 'COVID'. The kid that's in has COVID and has to catch the others etc.

Not too much in the way of dread there.

Aside from playing COVID and the odd spot of homeschooling, my kids have been up the bush or at the beach every day. The eldest got a taste of COVID fall out during his recent hospital visits but unless kids visit a hospital or have a parent that gets sick it's largely abstract.

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blindboy Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 5:22pm

Good stuff Stu, love the COVID game. You can't beat kids for creativity. Capable kids can get through the work of an average school day in a couple of hours. Schools waste huge amounts of time, though of course my lessons were models of educational efficiency.

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Blowin Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 5:38pm

Here’s another thing to consider when discussing the future of water scarcity in Australia, which has mass immigration almost entirely to blame. Growing inequality. No longer is the lie sustainable that Australian citizens don’t just suffer with lifestyle and environmental concerns, but also financially.

$120 / week water bills are expensive in anyone’s eyes.

Well…..maybe not Harry Triguboff, the bosses of transurban, Solomon Lew and the other few net beneficiaries of the population Ponzi. Most of whom will be dead and in the special place in hell reserved for people who destroy a society for personal gain.

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Vic Local Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 7:27pm

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BULLSHIT blowin,
Household water prices have absolutely nothing to do with scarcity, and while Aither says population growth plays a role in their predicted price increases, It's certainly not the only factor. "Mass immigration" is not "almost entirely to blame" for the projected price rises.
If you're going to put up graphs, at least read the reports they come from. It will stop you making an absolute fool of yourself.

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Craig Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 7:27pm

Haha, playing COVID Stu, had a laugh at that. It's great how imaginative kids are.

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 7:39pm

Stu - no wonder you are not a strong advocate against lock downs . You and your kids are having a ball .

Most of us are not so fortunate , especially the kids .

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stunet Wednesday, 29 Sep 2021 at 7:55pm

When did I say that?

Are you misrepresenting me again?

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Blowin Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 6:39am

“Household water prices have absolutely nothing to do with scarcity,”

Yeah, they’re not just based on scarcity from manufactured population growth, they’re also based on the construction, maintenance and profiteering of synthetic water generation - which is based on manufactured scarcity - which is based on population growth.

In an infuriating way, it’s interesting to listen to someone like Vic Local trying to defend the indefensible. Watching him trying to defend neoliberal artificial population growth through mass immigration against its obviously destructive effects on the environment and society, is like watching a Phillip Morris spokesperson defend the tobacco industry.

They know the gig is up but they just want to get as many people hooked, or in this case onshored, before the community kicks them to the kerb. There’s no level of lying, obfuscation and toddler tantrum ALL CAPS typing they won’t stoop to in their efforts to get their train just a bit further down the tracks before the oncoming derailment.

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 8:18am

I don't think I am misrepresenting you Stu ?"Stu - no wonder you are not a strong advocate against lock downs . You and your kids are having a ball ."

The definition of advocate " a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy ".

You said "When did I say that? " EXACTLEY !!! If you were a STRONG advocate for getting rid of lockdowns you would have said it MANY times .

Enjoy your day at the beach while we feel like we are being kept prisoners .

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stunet Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 8:23am

Not easy chewing on all these words you stuff in my mouth, Hutchy.

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blackers Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 8:27am

Just remember Stu,
16-AA923-F-EAE7-44-FA-8174-71-F8050-A2-B74

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Hutchy 19 Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 8:31am

I don't think I have put anything in your mouth or have misrepresented you Stu . Definitely not my intension .

I will give it a break . You do a fantastic job with your business and come across as a very decent human being and a great father .

I wish you nothing but the best ! Maybe I need to consider if I am jealous that you are surfing and I am not .

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ryder Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 8:41am

Hutch. Do you mind shutting the farking door on your way out please.

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udo Thursday, 30 Sep 2021 at 10:13pm

This is great....up the playback speed to 1.25

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Craig Friday, 1 Oct 2021 at 9:18am

What an insane story!

Two planes crashed into each other and old mate landed both of them!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/the-day-a-pilot-landed-two-planes...

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Blowin Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 11:22am

The News is America's New Religion, and We're in a Religious War
When political narrative replaces faith, truth becomes heresy
Matt Taibbi
Sep 30

We'll tell you anything you want to hear. We lie like hell! We'll tell you Kojak always gets the killer, and nobody ever gets cancer in Archie Bunker's house… We'll tell you any shit you want to hear! We deal in illusion, man! None of it's true! But you people… do whatever the tube tells you... This is mass madness, you maniacs!

— from Network, 1976

After a few days away from the news I watched Network, a movie about a mad prophet whose prophesies come true. Anchorman Howard Beale’s seminal speech described how America could commoditize anything, even the awful truth that its mass media had raised an illiterate populace that followed The Tube as the word of God. “Turn them off!” Beale screamed, just before collapsing in religious fervor, but one eye peeked out to see how his revelation was selling. True to form, even Network made a pile of money and won four Oscars.

Forty-five years later, the film’s predictions still look right, but too optimistic. Back then, a few networks dominated, and the trend was the One Big Lie: the Missile Gap, the Domino Theory, 4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident. What could be worse? Ambrose Bierce once said there were only two things more horrible than a clarinet — two clarinets. The only thing darker than Network’s dystopian future with television as the national religion is the world we’ve got: two religions.

The last week has been typical of life in the news-as-doctrinal-squabble era. On Sunday, September 19, a freelance photographer named Paul Ratje based in Las Cruces, New Mexico, shot pictures of U.S. Border Patrol Agents chasing Haitian migrants trying to cross the border. In several photos, the agents appeared to be carrying lengths of leather cord. The next day, a former aide to onetime presidential candidate Julian Castro named Sawyer Hackett tweeted, “Border patrol is mounted on horseback rounding up Haitian refugees with whips,” and “This is unfathomable cruelty towards people fleeing disaster and political ruin.”

In reality, as poor Ratje would later point out to local news interviewers, there were no whips, just reins, and “I’ve never seen them whip anyone.” But by then, the story was a viral sensation that had gone all the way to the top of American society.

On that same Monday, September 20th that Sawyer Hackett tweeted about “rounding up refugees with whips,” a reporter asked White House spokesperson Jen Psaki if the administration viewed “border agents on horseback using what appeared to be whips on Haitian migrants” as an “appropriate tactic.” Psaki said no, it was “obviously horrific,” but this apparently wasn’t a good enough answer for the faithful. MSNBC/NBC contributor and proud Moral Majoritarian Yamiche Alcindor demanded to know if action would be taken on a double-conditional: “if this is true,” if anyone would be disciplined for “using what seems to be whips on migrants.” When Psaki finally suggested waiting to comment until she actually knew something about the incident, Alcindor pressed: “Why won’t you say fired?”

In a flash, the word “whip” was in headlines across media and social media, and the idea that Border Patrol agents had hit Haitian refugees with actual whips was ubiquitous. (To my embarrassment, even I screwed this one up, making a joke about it on the Useful Idiots podcast).

Look, this happens in media, and the only thing you can do is a) try to avoid it, and b) own up to it when it happens. However, that’s where this story got weird. Well after it became clear there were no whips in the story, a parade of politicians lined up to double down, with Kamala Harris saying the pictures evoked images of “slavery,” Representative Maxine Waters saying the pictures were “worse than what we witnessed in slavery,” and even President Biden himself promising his own agents would “pay” for “strapping” refugees. An investigation was ordered and some employees were removed to administrative duties.

Even the New York Times, five days after the photograph was taken, reported that Border Agents were “in some cases using reins to strike at running migrants.” They almost immediately issued a correction, saying they’d “overstated what is known” about the Agents’ behavior. Meanwhile, the Fox/OAN wing of the press put out a string of stories about the “whips” mistake, going after everyone from Brian Stelter to CNN’s Victor Blackwell to Axios (which deleted a tweet using the word “whipping’) to Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler to a host of others.

Larger questions, like what happened to the 15,000 migrants who were removed from an encampment — some were flown back to Haiti right away, others will likely be flown back later, with the Biden administration essentially continuing Trump-era policy — faded into the coverage background. Most people following the news emerged knowing a tiny bit about the relevant border-tightening policies like Trump’s Title 42, and a lot about a single, apparently misinterpreted image that became the latest moronic proxy for a culture war debate.

A more significant media screwup was exposed via the release of a book called “The Bidens” by Politico correspondent Ben Schreckinger. Schreckinger showed the New York Post’s Hunter Biden expose was not, as widely reported last year, Russian disinformation, with many of the more controversial emails involving the president’s son now proved authentic. This too was also roundly ignored by a press corps more worried about a big picture message, i.e. that Biden is less awful than Trump. Even NPR kept mum about Schreckinger’s new information, despite having insisted cheekily at the time that it non-covered the story because it didn’t want to “waste its time” on things that are “not really stories.”

News in America used to be fun to talk about, fun to joke about, interesting to think about. Now it’s an interminable bummer, because the press business has taken on characteristics of that other institution where talking, joking, and thinking aren’t allowed: church. We have two denominations, both as fact-averse as real churches, as is shown in polls about, say, pandemic attitudes, where Americans across the board consistently show they know less than they think.

Surveys found a third of Republicans think the asymptomatic don’t transmit Covid-19, or that the disease kills fewer people than the flu or car crashes. But Democrats also test out atrociously, with 41% thinking Covid-19 patients end up hospitalized over half the time — the real number is 1%-5% — while also wildly overestimating dangers to children, the percentage of Covid deaths under the age of 65, the efficacy of masks, and other issues.

This is the result of narrative-driven coverage that focuses huge amounts of resources on the wrongness of the rival faith. Blue audiences love stories about the deathbed recantations of red-state Covid deniers, some of which are real, some more dubious. A typical Fox story, meanwhile, might involve a woman who passed out and crashed into a telephone pole while wearing a mask alone in her car. Tales of each other’s stupidity are the new national religion, and especially among erstwhile liberals, we take them more seriously than any religion has been taken in the smart set in a long, long time.

In the eighties we made celebrities out of televangelists like Jimmy Swaggart and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, but none were believable as religious authorities. They were too interesting: they dressed like Vegas club acts, humped everything that moved, and had the enormous balls to stare at cameras and ask for money so the minister and his wife could be driving the right fully-loaded Caddy when Christ returned. By the Reagan years no one believed in miracles or divine retribution anyway, not even Catholics, whose priests had all read Nietzsche and would quietly concede the church’s whole act was a well-meaning metaphor, if cornered by an adult. (Their rap to kids was obviously different; insert your own joke here).

By the time Trump arrived, there was only one route left for media companies, who’d lost ad revenue to Internet platforms, to make money: putting content behind a paywall. Essentially, news companies passed a hat and asked for donations, just like churches. Also like churches, they began to sell belief instead of fact. They turned viewers and readers into congregationalists, people who’d be less interested in news than calls to spiritual battle. Fox had already proven this revenue model could work. In the Trump years, led by the New York Times — which lost other forms of income but went from 1.2 million digital subscribers in 2016 to 7.5 million in 2020 — the rest of the commercial media followed suit.

This is how news people sounded before that switch:

For decades, TV news readers gave off that Ron Burgundy-esque vibe of, “This copy was literally just handed to me. I barely know what this shit says, and certainly don’t care enough to lie about it.”

By the Trump years, though, news readers started to sound like preachers. They used every traveling-revivalist trick in the book to pull in the faithful, from predicting the End was Nigh (or at least, the “Beginning of the End” was Nigh) to conferring Sainthood (Robert Mueller was depicted as Jesus, Batman and Superman in media profiles) to public deliverance of the gospel (remember when Annette Bening, John Lithgow, and Kevin Kline held solemn public readings of the Mueller report?) to dramatic altar calls to give “testimony” (e.g. Michael Avenatti coming on set to deliver an unvetted new rape accusation against Brett Kavanaugh live on the Rachel Maddow show), and even witchcraft (how about a former CIA chief predicting indictments of Trump on the “Ides of March” on MSNBC?).

America is a now a nation of warring media faiths, with Fox/OAN/Newsmax preaching a heretic Savanarola-style gospel of corrupt elites lying about everything from election results to vaccine efficacy, while the rival Church of the Mainstream, which describes itself as the (literally) true faith and exclusive arbiter of such things as “fact” and “science,” preaches a coming fascist apocalypse. Its pundits openly rejoice in Covid-19 as an instrument of vengeance against “denialism” and those who don’t “believe science,” and it’s not an accident that people who watch them too much do things like wear masks alone in cars.

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blindboy Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 11:27am

Very interesting...but slightly disturbing.
https://moondisaster.org

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blackers Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 1:38pm
Craig wrote:

https://twitter.com/RaphaelGrandin/status/1443487501218353153

That’s an amazing image Craig. Could be some potential there when things settle down.

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Blowin Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 2:54pm
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Some Gold here..

https://history.museumofsurf.com/

A few familiar faces in there!

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batfink Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 3:36pm

Matt Taibbi wrote “The Great American Bubble Machine”, I think it first appeared in ‘Rolling Stone’.

Boy did that make a splash. One of the great articles I’ve ever read.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-great-american-b...