2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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scott_scott Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 11:28pm

From the Guardian live feed:
"In his final speech Scott Morrison thanked: The Defence force, Police, His staff and Tradies.
He did not thank: Teachers, Health workers, Frontline workers in the pandemic, Aged care workers."
- what a despicable person.

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Paul McD Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 11:43pm

Fark yeah Penny Wong. Legend!

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Paul McD Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:08am

We have our country back again....all of us. You don't realise the trauma you've been living under until it's been eliminated. Congratulations to all that voted in the best interests of all of us in this great land. Happy days.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:22am

tbb elected to dedicate a few old school rocker's for the swellnet mop up crew!

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zenagain Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:23am

I haven't voted in years but always watch from afar. I'll also admit that while I'm pretty centrist in my views, I've tended to vote conservative.

But, I want to congratulate you all down there on your change of government. It was a long time coming and it is deserved. I cannot think of one thing that the Coalition has achieved in the last decade. Not one major nation building project, not one major reform that has benefited ALL Australians, no real improvement in the standard of living, nothing.

I hope with all my heart that the place of my birth, with this change of government can usher in meaningful change, especially for those who need it most. And I don't mean by dragging the top down- people need the incentive to achieve. I mean by rising people up and giving them the opportunities and the tools to do it.

Anyway rambling. Well done Australia, you've spoken and now hopefully been heard. Don't squander it.

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Paul McD Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:25am

Cheers Zen! Change is as good as a holiday :-)

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:29am

There was fibre to copper to home I believe Zen.

Overall very satisfying. Especially to hear Albo say that no one left behind, includes disabled. Going from what has been happening to that was cathartic.

A good speech by Albo, overshadowed by our son returning home from a night out, elated, and having had chicks all over him. He had to pay double for drinks though. We suspect it was the new Tommy Hilfiger jumper.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 12:40am
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Supafreak Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 6:09am

B483-B360-5-AD7-4-C2-E-B315-1-D0-EA96575-F0 How good is coal now dickhead ?

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Island Bay Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 6:29am

Dear Australia

I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.

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AndyM Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 6:44am

A sincere thumbs up to all those who’ve engaged in good faith on these threads.
Dunno if it’s made any wider difference but at least I think it’s enabled the clarification of a few points and theories, and it’s been a place for a vent :)

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simsurf Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 6:55am

Different names, same waste of oxygen politicians/leeches that do nothing except take huge salaries paid for with our money.

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thermalben Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:04am

Seems Dutton will probably become the new LNP leader. Obviously, Frydenberg was assumed next in line, but that opportunity is gone. Anyone know if Simon Birmingham will/won't put up his hand? Speaks really well, seems to be a nice bloke. Surely Dutton will only continue to be a divisive figure.

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Fliplid Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:21am
Island Bay wrote:

Dear Australia

I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.

Island Bay I agree with the sentiment, however the last mob we had have been the biggest bunch of ideologically driven zealots you could find and arguably even more damaging to the nation than anything Labor could come up with. It is hopefully time to get on a more even keel

As for Morrison, well I think there’s a preaching vacancy over at Hillsong

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Island Bay Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:27am

Fliplid, Scomo seems like a total pragmatist next to our Dear Leader. However much you loathe him, be careful what you ask for as a replacement.

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zenagain Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:47am

Ha ha! Ok VJ, copper to fibre and...?

Btw- anyone who wears a Tommy Hilfiger jumper should pay double for drinks.

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stunet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:48am

@IB,

A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, was proud of his coal stunt, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.

Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.

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sypkan Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:50am
Island Bay wrote:

Dear Australia

I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.

is it too early to bitch about how albo reckons he's not woke, yet he's not even sworn in, and his victory speech was all woke and shit?

game on...

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AndyM Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:54am
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@IB,

A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.

Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.

Stu, it was definitely a rejection of Morrison but it seemed like concern over climate change and also housing affordability were a big part of the mix.
Hopefully this will enable things to have longer legs into the future.

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Island Bay Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:56am
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@IB,

A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, was proud of his coal stunt, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.

Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.

I know, Stu. The man's no saint, that's for sure.

What I was trying to get at was that I hope - for Aussie's sake - that Labour turns out to be a more old school centre left govt, and not go full gonzo like ours has.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 7:58am
thermalben wrote:

Seems Dutton will probably become the new LNP leader. Obviously, Frydenberg was assumed next in line, but that opportunity is gone. Anyone know if Simon Birmingham will/won't put up his hand? Speaks really well, seems to be a nice bloke. Surely Dutton will only continue to be a divisive figure.

He’s a senator @Ben therefore no chance unless moves to the Reps somehow

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Roadkill Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:01am
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Albo…the saviour. Australia is not stupid enough to let that clown and his party govern. Still feeling pretty confident we won’t be subjected to an ALP win.

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Yep, I own that.

Democracy in action.

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stunet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:02am

Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.

Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.

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Fliplid Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:02am

Island Bay, I think we’re in agreement with that. The wacko lefties will be the where it all comes unstuck

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thermalben Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:03am

Ah of course.

Gotta say, watching things unfold on the ABC last night felt like I'd tuned into an AFL grand final. So many complex moving parts, with rapid developments happening all over the shop, I couldn't keep my eyes off the screen. I didn't intend to watch much of it, but ended staying up until about 11pm.

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simsurf Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:17am
stunet wrote:

Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.

Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.

An elected government that got 30% of the primary vote have exactly an resounding endorsement or mandate?

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stunet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:22am
simsurf wrote:
stunet wrote:

Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.

Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.

An elected government that got 30% of the primary vote have exactly an resounding endorsement or mandate?

An alarming stat, hey? Just another reason Albanese will have to pay close attention to last night. If he only speaks to the Labor faithful he'll be out the door in no time.

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batfink Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:27am
Island Bay wrote:

Dear Australia

I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.

How so IB? I haven’t heard much that Jacinta has done that didn’t seem quite reasonable and good policy. What ‘ideological bender’ has she been on?

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AndyM Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:29am

That’s one of my political fantasies - to overhaul the voting system in the lower house.

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Roadkill Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:32am
Island Bay wrote:

Dear Australia

I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.

Yep…

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batfink Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:33am
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A sincere thumbs up to all those who’ve engaged in good faith on these threads.
Dunno if it’s made any wider difference but at least I think it’s enabled the clarification of a few points and theories, and it’s been a place for a vent :)

Times two. Most of the crew are pretty switched on too. If I heard about some late breaking news it was often already brought up here.

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flollo Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:52am

Congratulations to Labor on winning the election. They have a good platform. One credit I must give to Albo is that he always empathised realistic policies that can be implemented. His vision to make child care universal and parental leave extended to 26 weeks over two terms is highly appreciated. It would be a huge win for many people in this country. Other policies also look good and realistic.

We saw in this campaign that there are complete lunatics out there, proposing insane things to get attention (like big Clive and co). This is maybe why Labor’s primary is low, people want something ’big’. But there is no need for big straight away, there’s plenty of realistic, straight forward policies that can take the country forward. And I’m really looking towards seeing these policies come to life.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:55am

NZ Labor :

“In the lead-up to the September 2017 election, Labour announced an excellent housing platform that promised to address both supply and demand distortions via negative gearing reform, banning foreign buyers of existing homes, tighter capital gains taxes, removal of urban growth boundaries, plus bond financing for infrastructure.

Labour also promised to reduce immigration by around a third, which would have helped to relieve chronic housing and infrastructure pressures (especially around Auckland), as well as promised to build 100,000 public houses over a decade (named ‘KiwiBuild’).

Sadly, on all almost key areas, Labour has either abandoned these reforms or failed miserably, proving that it is not serious about addressing housing affordability.

For instance, Labour’s promised ‘KiwiBuild’ program to build 100,000 public houses has descended into a farce, with the government abandoning its building target and instead announcing a bunch of demand-side measures that will inflate prices.

Labour abandoned capital gains tax reforms and has back-slid on its promise to abolish Auckland’s urban growth boundary and reform infrastructure financing.

Labour has also abandoned its promised immigration cuts, instead opening the visa sluice gates.

Accordingly, New Zealand house prices have surged to an all-time high and the home ownership rate has cratered to a 70-year low.

It seems politicians only care about housing affordability when they are in Opposition. But once they gain office, they maintain the status quo and act in the best interests of existing homeowners and the ‘growth lobby’, most notably the property industry.“

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Supafreak Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 8:58am

I hope a royal commission into media happens as something like 500,000 signatures were gathered supporting one . Be interesting to see if a few ABC reporters move over to sky , Fran Kelly must be a candidate. With ICAC hopefully starting up before the end of the year , some of the LNP are going to be kept busy for a few years.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:01am

Well there you go that's a clear book end on almost 30 years of prosperity (about 19 years under LNP), the end of a golden era, anyone who thinks things are going to get better in the future are nuts, only guarantee is things will get more woke.

We now have our very own Biden, well until one of his own party members rolls him.

Anyway it's time to focus on the positives the silver linings

1. It's not Shorten and it didn't happen before the pandemic, thank god for that we could have been in real shit, its just a pity many dont appreciate how well we have done during Covid economically and from a health perspective.

2. To get into government Labor had to get rid of their radical policy from last election and become Liberal lite, so it could be much worse.

3. LNP's historic record will be kept intact low interest rates and low unemployment, instead of being ruined by a future of interest rate rises. (and then lose next election)

4. Inflation will increase, interest rates will rise and there will be extremely hard times ahead, this is all going to work against Labor being re-elected in the future, its highly likely they will last 2 terms 3 max (even one if things go real pear shaped) and if you think LNP dont have the leaders ready take over, jus remember Abbott the most unlikeable PM got voted in after Labor's last mess.

5. Wage rises: I think a big reason for the win is Labor talking this up, wages will rise naturally or pushed, but barely anyone is ever going to satisfied, they will always believe they should have more, basically Labor are promising something that people will never be satisfied with and will possibly work against them next election.

6. Just like the media hounded Scomo when fires and floods trying to get gotcha moments and nick picked anything and everything, the same will happen to Albo, and he wont be able to handle it the same way Scomo did, it's going to be fun to watch.

7. China relations will improve, Albo will be kissing their arse like Krudd did, i guess in a strange way that's a positive, it will be sad to watch but it will keep us kind of safer.

Anyway I'm not even going to read the comments in here and try my best to take a break from political thread and let the dust settle, and I'm sure there will be lots of gloating and out there predictions on what this means for LNP.

But i just read that despite the hammering LNP have got Labor's primary vote is still down on 2019 election.

And lets get this in perspective the LNP run has been nine years something that has only been achieved twice by both parties in our history (and once by another coalition party way back) as I've said many times the longer you are in power the harder it is to hold onto power, a loss after nine years is very different to a loss after one or two terms, so dont get too excited, a few years ago Labor looked un electable, things can change very fast in politics.

LNP have also been in power for about 19 of the last 25+ years thats not a dying party, and while looking at stats since 1950 over 70 years Labor have only been in power about 22 years.

Basically enjoy it while it last because historically it's not something that happens that often.

Stats for Andy can be found here https://primeministers.moadoph.gov.au/prime-ministers

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AndyM Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:10am

Wow Indo, the stink of bitterness permeates right through that post of yours.

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Distracted Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:14am

Doesn’t really matter which party is in but after a couple terms of government they need to be voted out to break up the institutionalised corruption that sets in within the government and the upper levels of the public service.

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Supafreak Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:18am

Indo’s post was very predictable and repetitive of what’s written in all his posts on this thread. The reality is the LNP is well and truly broken now thanks mainly due to Scott Morrison.

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Roadkill Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:19am

Wong’s speech was like she won..she will knife Albo for her own benefit.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:20am

ALP takes office with 3 in every 10 Australians voting for them.

That’s getting to Steven Bradbury levels of accomplishment.

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Roadkill Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:27am
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ALP takes office with 3 in every 10 Australians voting for them.

That’s getting to Steven Bradbury levels of accomplishment.

Supporters are trying to ignore this fact.

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Supafreak Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:28am

Here you go indo , you can reminisce about the good times . https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:33am

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed that the ALP doesn’t actually have that many supporters on here. About in line with wider society at 30%.

It’d be a big mistake to imagine that everyone who voted ALP is a true supporter. I wonder what total support they can claim after deducting those uncaring/ uninvolved punters who just hated Scummo , people who recognise the brand without any knowledge of the politics and those who fall for the fraudulent claim that a vote for an independent is a wasted vote?

2 in 10?

1 in 10?

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burleigh Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:34am

Amazing 70% of people don’t vote for someone and they become the leaders.

Where is Big Clive? Hahaha

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old-dog Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:39am

The libs didn't even bother turning up where I voted , just Labor and the greens handing out how to vote cards. I'm still off Labor for raising the age pension age to 67, and they better not try to include the family home in the asset test as they would love to do, but I'm looking forward to double digit interest rates once the rot sets in. Also hope they don't make it compulsory to be LGBTQI. Cheers.

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lostdoggy Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:50am

Indo’s post has made my day already.

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blackers Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 9:56am
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Amazing 70% of people don’t vote for someone and they become the leaders.

Where is Big Clive? Hahaha

95% didn't vote for him burls, so he is probably scratching his arse while he gets his accountants to claim the tax write off's for his expenses.

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Roadkill Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 10:03am

How good is it not to be America…we vote, we change..the loser makes a speech conceding they lost and then the winner steps up…we know everything was above board and we accept the outcome.

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blackers Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 10:06am

True that Roady. Also great to see independents stepping up to keep them honest. Two party systems, as in the US, don't offer real choice.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 10:07am

Agree. Imagine if we had an entire Prime Ministership undermined and sabotaged by “resistance” and relentless, though ludicrous claims that they were a Russian agent!