2022 Election
indo-dreaming wrote:DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Australian’s quality of life is going backwards specifically due to the behaviour of the LNP. A vote for the LNP is a vote for a worsening future for yourself and your family. This isn’t a guess, it’s fact.
.It's not fact at all, my experience and everyone i knows quality of life has only increased over the last 20+ years.
If anyone's life is getting worse its their own fault, 19 of the last 22 years have been under LNP, its been a golden period of opportunity, the vehicle to achieving a quality of life is a job, we currently have an unemployment rate at historical lows
Even things that labor voters always try to scare people with saying LNP will destroy like medical care have increased greatly in this period, in the 90s even on the dole with a health care card there was times i had to pay to see a doctor, now even as a business owner i havent paid to see a doctor in years, and if i hurt myself or need medical services its super rare to pay anything, a medication i take for the last 20 years has gone from $30 down to $10.
It's all Labor lies, like that TV advert where Scomo is saying its not my job, last night i saw where the footage from this advert come from and its all completely taken out of context, Labor are full of lies.
We pay more for energy because it cost slightly more here to produce but also they can charge us more for energy because on average we generally earn more than many countries, its why we get charged more for anything online that cost exactly the same to produce, things like netflix or when iTunes was big or even things like Ripcurl wetsuits or Firewire boards, made in Asia for same cost but sold in Australia at a higher price than places like USA, because we can afford to pay more, that sucks but its the market.
BTW. Yes i put my prices up as i like, but my wife is a low paid hourly rate worker.
And collect a bit of welfare when you can
flollo wrote:@bonza
The goal was to lower the overall tax burden on everyone earning up to $200k. I agree with this as there is a lot of tax being paid by people in this bucket and by the time it kicks in (2024-25) the value of money will be much smaller due to inflation............. Hopefully, this clarifies my position.
I understand your position as you believe higher income workers are paying too much tax? But you haven't explained why you think so and thus why these tax cuts are justified?
The Stage 3 Tax cuts favour the wealthy disproportionately. Its another policy that helps to increase the inequality chasm. Those tax cuts on higher incomes could be used to help reduce the Covid crack induced deficit? Isn't that the better economic manager mantra ? Instead they'll now go to investment mortgages or wealthy bank accounts. Rising inflation is good timing. Not so good for the bottom feeders who just took on $600k mortgage in Mt Druit. Now the government will have to find other means to raise revenue. something like the GST should do it. Is that fair?
No mate, the amount of things you can buy with $100 today is less than the amount if things you could buy with $100 last year. Far less. This is the standard of living going backwards , getting worse .
There is a post about energy prices in Australia further back on this thread by a page or two. Everything you said is incorrect and provably incorrect.
I’ve got to ask whether you choose to lie to justify your LNP vote or whether you vote LNP because you believe these lies yourself?
It’s fine to just say that you prefer to vote for LNP based on the vibe. Saying things which are patently untrue is not necessary. It’s a democracy and diversity of thought is the bedrock of our culture and society amd is your right , contrary to what the the personal attacks towards you on here would have you believe.
I don’t get stoked on the whole telling fibs to justify a position though. You know I’m not a fan of the ALP or the Greens, I’m not promoting one or the other, just facts. Some of the things you are saying are not facts.
I think that's why lots of people get into disagreements with you on here Indo. What you've said just simply isn't true for lots and lots of people. Wages have barely moved but the cost of basic necessities like housing and food have gone through the roof. Listen to poor people, disabled people, or members of lots of minority groups are all saying life is harder than it was before. They're not making it up. Landlords and capitalists might be laughing with their increased wealth, but that's not a universal joy.
Indo said - “ We pay more for energy because it cost slightly more here to produce but also they can charge us more for energy because on average we generally earn more than many countries,”
The first part is factually incorrect, the second part contradicts your concern over minimum wage increases jeopardising business viability.
Read this short piece Indo :
Morrison’s gas cartel triggers huge east coast energy shock
This is what happens when a corrupt government sponsors a gas cartel to capture your energy reserves:
“A fourfold increase in gas prices has inflicted huge losses on a Riverina-based manufacturer in NSW and may force the company to temporarily close its doors within months if there is no relief.
Causmag International, which uses gas to make magnesium products, has already wound back operations over the past 12 months, cutting workers at two sites near Young from 38 to 29.
The company is one of many east coast manufacturers considering shutting down their plants as prices for natural gas surge due to coal power unit outages. These are sharpening the threat of the sort of broad crunch in energy that has hit economies overseas.
Wholesale gas prices in Victoria have tripled or quadrupled from typical levels to more than $30 a gigajoule, while prices in Sydney are north of $26/GJ even before colder winter weather drives up demand to peak levels.
…Causmag’s predicament comes as big industrial consumers are facing a “doubling or tripling” of electricity prices if they come off contract in the next few months, Energy Users Association of Australia chief executive Andrew Richards said.
…Prices are also being drawn higher by strong international prices for LNG, which soared last September and again after the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February. They have remained much higher than normal as energy importers seek to avoid Russian supplies.
…Gas buyers are partly blaming Queensland’s LNG exporters for the higher east coast domestic prices as they seek to capture more of the super-high overseas prices for gas.
“Netback” prices for LNG exported from Queensland, which signal the equivalent domestic price that exporters are receiving, are at $38.09/GJ for this month, according to the national competition watchdog.
That is higher than the spot prices in the four eastern states of between $26/GJ and $36/GJ. That signals that the three LNG exporters in Gladstone are still making more money from exporting gas than they would from selling it on the east coast spot market.
But analysis by consultancy EnergyQuest says the rise in domestic prices did not appear to be because of any increase in LNG export volumes. EnergyQuest linked the rise in gas prices more to greater call on gas for power generation because of the coal power outages.
This is a joke. In terms of Australian consumption volumes, the gas is basically unlimited. We’re only short because the exporters have left us that way. The local price is rising to parity with the global prices exporters have exposed us to.”
IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH COAL.
The Morrison Government has failed utterly to bring discipline to the gas export cartel via the Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism. It was supposed to strengthen it in 2019 after doing a deal with Senator Rex Patrick in exchange for $158bn in tax cuts. It outright lied and was captured by gas cartel bribes instead, which led to the perverse “gas-led” recovery.
The ADGSM must be triggered and the gas export cartel forced to supply locals at prices far below export net-back. It is the only solution, as has been amply demonstrated by WA for decades.
Morrison’s catastrophe is only complete when one understands that three-quarters of east coast gas is being shipped to China to strengthen its industry (including military). Yet, as Morrison makes an enemy of it, we are gutting the last of our industrial base to guarantee that we have no way to defend ourselves.
The cartel pays no tax, employs few, and spends a lot of money bribing the government. The final insult is that gas sets the marginal cost of electricity so everybody is about to be hammered on that bill, not to mention extra rate hikes.
This is a case of Dutch disease so virulent that it will kill the host.
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dandandan wrote:I think that's why lots of people get into disagreements with you on here Indo. What you've said just simply isn't true for lots and lots of people. Wages have barely moved but the cost of basic necessities like housing and food have gone through the roof. Listen to poor people, disabled people, or members of lots of minority groups are all saying life is harder than it was before. They're not making it up. Landlords and capitalists might be laughing with their increased wealth, but that's not a universal joy.
I think Indo is doing ok financially and so he’s of the opinion that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. His perspective and imperative is no less valid than those who are suffering under the LNP. I think his viewpoint is also coloured by experience with Indonesian politics and life where people are more visibly destitute if they’re hard up, unlike Australia where you can still have a roof over your head and get a feed in all but the most extreme circumstance.
There does seem to be a bit of empathy and overview missing from his worldview. I wonder how he would feel if he was injured and his minimum wage partner was forced to look after the whole family? Living standards would go South pretty quickly then and no amount of comparison with starving Indonesians is going to put a smile on your face when you are living under an overpass in Victorian winter in a broken down Datsun.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:.....
I think Indo is doing ok financially and so he’s of the opinion that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. His perspective and imperative is no less valid than those who are suffering under the LNP. I think his viewpoint is also coloured by experience with Indonesian politics and life where people are more visibly destitute if they’re hard up, unlike Australia where you can still have a roof over your head and get a feed in all but the most extreme circumstance.There does seem to be a bit of empathy and overview missing from his worldview. I wonder how he would feel if he was injured and his minimum wage partner was forced to look after the whole family? Living standards would go South pretty quickly then and no amount of comparison with starving Indonesians is going to put a smile on your face when you are living under an overpass in Victorian winter in a broken down Datsun.
Well said.
PM’s wages have soared
But it’s emerged that politicians have secured a 30 per cent wage rise over the last decade – taking their base pay from $140,000 a year to $211,250.
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/pm-slammed-as-desperat... @indo , slomo has said repeatedly that we have a ‘ strong ‘ economy and that his party are the better economic managers. When is the time to lift the minimum wage ? Is it when the economy is weak ? CEOs salaries have increased by 24% in recent times . https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/revealed-australia-s-50-hig...
For all his faults - and they were many and deep - Robert Menzies saw the Liberal Party as representing the broad mass of the Australian people. Howard purged the moderates and lunged to the right. Morrison has made it a cult for cranks and religious nutters. It may be the end… pic.twitter.com/1KiMHuPf7p
— Mike Carlton (@MikeCarlton01) May 11, 2022
indo-dreaming wrote:Regarding min wage
It's not about not wanting to see min wage increased as such, but even economist agree increasing it by the same rate as inflation, would only fuel inflation further, which then only increase pressure on RBA to increase interest rates.
This is what Abo is suggesting which is irresponsible and exactly what i said weeks ago Labor would try do if elected.
People just hear wage rises and are like me me me,,,,without considering the wider impact.
Australia already has the worlds highest min wage, the second highest is luxembourg almost $1USD less, this is already a problem for Australia in regard to being competitive in any manner for any manufacturing left in Australia.
The looming tax cuts will fuel inflation are you arguing against those as well?
blackers wrote:DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:.....
I think Indo is doing ok financially and so he’s of the opinion that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. His perspective and imperative is no less valid than those who are suffering under the LNP. I think his viewpoint is also coloured by experience with Indonesian politics and life where people are more visibly destitute if they’re hard up, unlike Australia where you can still have a roof over your head and get a feed in all but the most extreme circumstance.There does seem to be a bit of empathy and overview missing from his worldview. I wonder how he would feel if he was injured and his minimum wage partner was forced to look after the whole family? Living standards would go South pretty quickly then and no amount of comparison with starving Indonesians is going to put a smile on your face when you are living under an overpass in Victorian winter in a broken down Datsun.
Well said.
+1
Reminds me of some bloke called Blowin years ago.
How's this for an alternative version of democracy.
In Switzerland, citizens can call legislative and constitutional referenda.
To challenge a law, citizens must collect 50,000 signatures within 100 days of the official publication of a new law.
If they manage to do it, a nationwide referendum is held. And if the majority of the voters reject the law, it is canceled.
Christ almighty, wouldn't that give politicians something to think about.
And yes, there's at lease one Australian minor party who has citizen-initiated referenda and plebiscites as part of their platform.
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/mikecarlton01/status/1524503037766946816?s=21&t=pGhW...
X2 so very true
"Australian taxpayers forked out almost $20 million as an incentive for the Northern Territory to sell the Port of Darwin to a Chinese company, sparking Labor to claim that Prime Minister Scott Morrison actively encouraged the deal when he was treasurer.
Chinese company Landbridge secured a 99-year lease of the port in a $506 million deal with the NT government in 2015. The move unsettled national security figures and led to then-United States president Barack Obama expressing concern about the outcome later that year.
In Sunday night’s debate, Morrison said the federal government in 2015 did not have any authority to reject or approve the deal.
“The federal government had absolutely no authority over that sale whatsoever,” he said.
However, the federal government’s asset-recycling scheme offered millions of dollars to the NT government to sell the port. Under the scheme, states and territories were meant to receive 15 per cent of the price as an encouragement to privatise economically productive government assets.
The final schedule for payment, signed by federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and then-NT Treasurer Nicole Manison in 2019, shows the Commonwealth agreed to pay the territory $18.56 million for the sale.
The Foreign Investment Review Board in 2015 determined that it had no authority to examine the lease, but these laws were later changed to ensure a similar deal in the future could be reviewed.
Morrison was treasurer at the time the port was sold to Landbridge, which is owned by Chinese billionaire Ye Cheng.
Labor’s defence spokesman Brendan O’Connor said Morrison had “actively encouraged” the deal.
“Scott Morrison likes to say it wasn’t his job to stop the Port of Darwin being flogged to a company with ties to the Chinese Communist Party,” O’Connor said.
“His government had over a year to fix the foreign investment framework to deal with the sale. He also could have urged his Country Liberal Party colleagues in the Territory not to proceed.
“But not only did he not stop it, he actually encouraged it. He gave the Country Liberal Party government nearly $20 million in incentives to privatise the asset.”
The Coalition has been contacted for comment about the claim.
O’Connor said: “Even our American allies chided Australia for the decision”.
Michael Shoebridge, director of the defence program at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said both major parties should end the “war about what should have happened at the time” and instead focus on what to do about it now.
“If both the major parties admit the port in Chinese hands is a bad idea, which is going to be the first to change that?” he said.
Labor backs $1.5 billion plan for Darwin port in contest over NT seats
“We’ve got bipartisanship that it’s a problem, and bipartisanship that they’re not going to do anything about it. And while it persists, we have a national security own goal.
“Leaving that invaluable piece of harbour real estate in Chinese control means we can’t make the best use of it for ourselves, partners and allies at a time when that is a critical need.”
Shoebridge said a $1.5 billion plan to build new port facilities in Darwin, backed by both the Coalition and Labor, was a “work-around” and would not address the core problem.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-taxpayers-paid-almost...
Joshy and Scomo, what a team. Actions always speak louder than words.
Indo said: "We pay more for energy because it cost slightly more here to produce but also they can charge us more for energy because on average we generally earn more than many countries,"
Nope, completely wrong. Lack of government oversight has fucked over industry and households
https://www.industry.gov.au/sites/default/files/adc/public-record/009_ni...
Also GDP growth and the way the economy has been ticking over has very little to do with any specific LNP policies, the big three contributors are mining, the financial sector and population growth so things would have been much the same with Labor, probably better because the LNP have been dismantling many of the policies that have progressed us so far.
The lack of support and funding in some areas have actually held us back. I'll give that the unions have been reigned in and it's relatively easy to hire and fire workers due to LNP action but not sure what else they've specifically done to make the claim that they are the economic champions some claim.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parlia...
And just for the record, these two links are unbiased and from the Australian Parliament and Department of Industry records, so may not agree with some of the LNP doctored rhetoric and graphs thrown around.
Westofthelake wrote:"
Joshy and Scomo, what a team. Actions always speak louder than words.
don't forget Andrew Robb.
Westofthelake wrote:Joshy and Scomo, what a team. Actions always speak louder than words.
Not if you've got the Murdoch bull horn on your side
bonza wrote:Westofthelake wrote:"
Joshy and Scomo, what a team. Actions always speak louder than words.don't forget Andrew Robb.
Andrew Robb’s $800,000 pa job with the Chinese govt / business straight out from leaving parliament !!!!!!
https://m.
The thing about the Fair Work Commission, the Administrative Appeals Tribunal and other like so-called independent from government agencies, even the Reserve Bank Governor is the members get appointed by the government and is with most things associated with the Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison government/era the appointment process has been corrupted like never before .....
The Fair Work Commission
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/07/coalition-stackin...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/appointment-o...
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2019/01/21/coalition-fai...
The Administrative Appeals Tribunal
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/04/pru-goward-among-...
https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/09/24/aat-anatomy-of-a-scandal/
Even the Australian has had articles (paywalled) on this stacking ..........
So when Morrison is saying he has no control over the FWC he is fucking bullshitting again!
And from westofthelake’s link https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-taxpayers-paid-almost... Slomo caught lying yet again . Watching him front the press this morning, every time he speaks , lies come out and some people actually believe what he says and vote for him .
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/thestranger515/status/1524521390346436611?s=21&t=XmH...
Don't read this if you don't like China owning (investing ?) in Australia.
https://investinggreen.com.au/how-china-owns-australia-after-buying-infr...
Bit old but too lazy to find something more recent.
It would be O.K. if the 5% increase to the min. wage was only for those on say less than $28 p/h. Trouble is ( if I'm not mistaken) it flows on to those on much more and so the more you earn the bigger the increase. 5% of $20 is only $1 but 5% of $100 is $20. So the rich get richer and the poor get SFA.
In the past I have felt sorry for all the poor bastards with huge mortgages and been happy to get no return on my money in the bank but lately I'm starting to think fuck it I hope Labor get in and fuck up the economy so bad that interest rates go double digit and and I finally see some returns for all my hard work and sacrifices. Albo may mean well but is a clueless idiot when it comes to the economy.
Old dog, what sectors have award wages at $100 per hour?
Even architects are less than $34/hour.
And as for "fucking up the economy", I suppose the question there is, what is a healthy economy and what is its purpose.
GDP is a shit measure of a healthy economy, especially if GDP per capita is dropping.
If "the economy" doesn't keep surging ahead but health, education, equality of opportunity, the state of the environment and many other indicators of the quality of life improve, that seems like what we should call progress.
Voted today.
While my vote was legal and will count I know from previous experience working for the AEC on election days my derogatory comments* all over my ballot papers will add some light relief for the workers tediously tallying votes late into the night on election day.
Yeah, its childish but I love words like cockwomble and dick-cheese
* targeting the LNP, UAP and Divided Nation
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:dandandan wrote:I think that's why lots of people get into disagreements with you on here Indo. What you've said just simply isn't true for lots and lots of people. Wages have barely moved but the cost of basic necessities like housing and food have gone through the roof. Listen to poor people, disabled people, or members of lots of minority groups are all saying life is harder than it was before. They're not making it up. Landlords and capitalists might be laughing with their increased wealth, but that's not a universal joy.
I think Indo is doing ok financially and so he’s of the opinion that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. His perspective and imperative is no less valid than those who are suffering under the LNP. I think his viewpoint is also coloured by experience with Indonesian politics and life where people are more visibly destitute if they’re hard up, unlike Australia where you can still have a roof over your head and get a feed in all but the most extreme circumstance.
There does seem to be a bit of empathy and overview missing from his worldview. I wonder how he would feel if he was injured and his minimum wage partner was forced to look after the whole family? Living standards would go South pretty quickly then and no amount of comparison with starving Indonesians is going to put a smile on your face when you are living under an overpass in Victorian winter in a broken down Datsun.
@ Dan
People get in disagreement here with me, because im an opinionated conservative and 90% of people here lean left from moderate to extreme, as long as people are civil i don't have any issue with them disagreeing with me.
In regard to anyone doing it hard, if they are doing it hard now its very likely it will only get harder in the future, even with inflation which is being seen all around the world, we are still in a period that is pretty good but it does feel like a time of uncertainty.
Wait until we get into a recession with high interest rates and high unemployment, nobody knows when it will happen, but the chances of this happening are increasing.
Which is why it's of concern when a leader doesn't understand the possibly inflationary impact of a suggesting a min wage increase to match inflation.
@ Blowin
100% my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it.
Anyway 6 to 12 months from now you will be back alongside me whinging about Albo and Labor and nothing will be better.
But i do get being a carer you are probably better voting for Labor than LNP, even though i think socially you hold lots of conservative ideals and values (hence why we have even been pigeon holed as Blowindo or something silly)
In regard to your scenario, the reality is we would be fine, the whole welfare system is crazy generous, ive had friends that separate and end up with nothing on shitty low paid jobs, and the payments they get because they have kids and pay rent are crazy.
IMHO the real problem in Australia is we have had it so good for so long basically 30 years of a real golden era, and we get some inflation and people start whinging because they have to maybe cut back a little.
Add to that we have a culture where everyone want's everything for nothing and thrive's on being victims.
Ive seen my missus go from being blown away by how generous the system is to trying to milk it and even whinging about how others are getting payments during Covid and we aren't entitled to any, basically because we weren't the affected financially by Covid.
I don't know if my view is so coloured by Indo. i think its more coloured by coming out of school in the 90s in a recession and then just getting by on the dole for so long, its just really created an appreciation for what i have and just periods of prosperity and opportunity ect.
speaking of a cockwomble
old-dog wrote:It would be O.K. if the 5% increase to the min. wage was only for those on say less than $28 p/h. Trouble is ( if I'm not mistaken) it flows on to those on much more and so the more you earn the bigger the increase. 5% of $20 is only $1 but 5% of $100 is $20. So the rich get richer and the poor get SFA.
In the past I have felt sorry for all the poor bastards with huge mortgages and been happy to get no return on my money in the bank but lately I'm starting to think fuck it I hope Labor get in and fuck up the economy so bad that interest rates go double digit and and I finally see some returns for all my hard work and sacrifices. Albo may mean well but is a clueless idiot when it comes to the economy.
It's not just the $1 extra per hour, it means the employer is paying more in super too, probably other aspect's to.
The business owner then needs to pass on these cost to the consumer, hence prices go up.
Say a business owner with a coffee shop, price of coffee needs to go up again to cover these cost.
If it happens in enough areas, it creates a chain reaction adding wage push inflation on top of general inflation, giving RBA no choice but to lift interest rates higher.
And we get closer to a recession .
@indo , if we are in a ‘ strong ‘ economy that slomo and fraudenberg repeatedly tell us but can’t afford to increase the basic wage then when do you increase the basic wage to keep up with inflation ? Do you increase it when the economy is weak ? Some good manufacturing announcements today from Albo for WA and Qld . I’m sure that Labor will follow through on these announcements unlike the minister for big announcements but failing to deliver .
Supafreak wrote:
This is a short clip on ABC from a wages expert . In other posts I put up politicians salaries have increased 30 % in the last decade and CEOs on average in 2021 increased 24% and 67% in bonuses but try to increase the minimum wage and every RWNJ loses their shit .
Supafreak wrote:@Robwilliams , not only will the Scott Morrison Party get slaughtered, they will pull themselves apart and it’s going to take a decade at least of rebuilding. Slomo has done damage within the party and wait for the revenge ex party members will take once the election is over . Journalists will have a flood of stories that will make opti blush.
I hope they carve pentagrams in their foreheads.
Ben Harding wrote:Sprout wrote:Voted today. I feel like party hawkers lined up all the way to the building entrance should be banned, like fundo morons outside abortion clinics, just embarrassing.
Couldn't agree more. Where do they find those kooks from and how do they not feel the embarrassment I feel just being around them. Political junkies, almost cult like.
I will be heckling a few of them for sure. Might even bring a few eggs.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , if we are in a ‘ strong ‘ economy that slomo and fraudenberg repeatedly tell us but can’t afford to increase the basic wage then when do you increase the basic wage to keep up with inflation ? Do you increase it when the economy is weak ? Some good manufacturing announcements today from Albo for WA and Qld . I’m sure that Labor will follow through on these announcements unlike the minister for big announcements but failing to deliver .
Firstly that's false and nothing but more than Labor lies, they have never said such a thing, the basic wage and min wage increases regularly and as pointed out in below article "the minimum wage has risen higher than inflation and wage growth for the past decade"
Scomo has clearly said he is not against a min wage rise, but yes has said a rise in the min wage to match inflation 5% is reckless, which it would be because it risk adding wage push inflation on top of general inflation, causing interest rates to rise higher than needed, pushing us one step closer to a recession.
As mentioned Australia has the highest min wage in the world almost $1USD higher than any other country, add another $1AUD(70c USA) to that and it pushes out to over $1.50 USD difference.
There has been no talk about the possible implications of this aspect?
indo-dreaming wrote:Predicted this weeks ago
"The Morrison government has highlighted that the minimum wage has risen higher than inflation and wage growth for the past decade, potentially providing a strong fallback as employers seek to keep unions’ wage claim below a cost-of-living spike.
Economists say a more than 5 per cent pay rise, as backed by unions and Labor leader Anthony Albanese, risks further increasing inflation, even if it is below the projected mid-year Consumer Price Index of 5.5 per cent. But they are split on whether the economy can afford a large one-off pay rise to maintain demand."
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/real-minimum-wage-growth-...
@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."
Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.
Robwilliams wrote:Supafreak wrote:@Robwilliams , not only will the Scott Morrison Party get slaughtered, they will pull themselves apart and it’s going to take a decade at least of rebuilding. Slomo has done damage within the party and wait for the revenge ex party members will take once the election is over . Journalists will have a flood of stories that will make opti blush.
I hope they carve pentagrams in their foreheads.
Hahaha!
AndyM wrote:@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.
I honestly have trouble understanding people like you, again the last 30 years has been an amazing prosperous period for Australia where basically anyone could have gone from rags to riches if they put their mind to it..
Yeah Covid sucked especially lockdowns and not being able to travel but globally we have done amazingly from an economical and health perspective.
Ive had kids in the last 10 years used healthcare systems countless times, child care, public schooling etc all have exceeded my expectations and generally been free or very low cost.
I really don't understand what more you people want or desire???
But whatever it is, im sorry to break the news to you, but your not going too magically get it under Labor.
GuySmiley wrote:speaking of a cockwomble
Pretty apt Guy.
indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.
I honestly have trouble understanding people like you, again the last 30 years has been an amazing prosperous period for Australia where basically anyone could have gone from rags to riches if they put their mind to it..
Yeah Covid sucked especially lockdowns and not being able to travel but globally we have done amazingly from an economical and health perspective.
Ive had kids in the last 10 years used healthcare systems countless times, child care, public schooling etc all have exceeded my expectations and generally been free or very low cost.
I really don't understand what more you people want or desire???
But whatever it is, im sorry to break the news to you, but your not going too magically get it under Labor.
I’m happy for you indo that life’s good and your content with your lot . Do you understand that in Australia some people are struggling with the cost of living as in food , rent , power .?……. Australia is a signatory to the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals. The first of these goals is “No poverty”. However, Australia has the 16th highest poverty rate out of the 34 wealthiest countries in the OECD – higher than the average for the OECD; higher than the UK, Germany and New Zealand. People living in poverty in Australia often miss out on essentials such as food or a roof over their heads. Children living in poverty often miss out on items such as school excursions.
Our 2020 report Poverty in Australia 2020: Part 1, Overview found that there are 3.24 million people (13.6%) living below the poverty line of 50% of median income – including 774,000 children (17.7%) and 424,800 young people (13.9%). In dollar figures, this poverty line works out to $457 a week for a single adult living alone; or $960 a week for a couple with 2 children. https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/poverty/
indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.
I honestly have trouble understanding people like you, again the last 30 years has been an amazing prosperous period for Australia where basically anyone could have gone from rags to riches if they put their mind to it..
Yeah Covid sucked especially lockdowns and not being able to travel but globally we have done amazingly from an economical and health perspective.
Ive had kids in the last 10 years used healthcare systems countless times, child care, public schooling etc all have exceeded my expectations and generally been free or very low cost.
I really don't understand what more you people want or desire???
But whatever it is, im sorry to break the news to you, but your not going too magically get it under Labor.
Info.
You don't think about the wealth of the human spirit, or the riches (diminishing as they are) of this planet. All you think about is the economy, and how it works for you, or people better off than you. You show FUCK ALL empathy to those doing it tough, and you do it in a way that calling you a complete and utter dunce would be an understatement of the highest order.
You have children, yet are intent on fast-tracking them into idiocracy and dystopia.
You may think I'm just a troll, that's fine, but do you notice that the only person that I troll here is you, and occasionally blowin? At least he's intelligent, and I believe wants the best for this world and it's people as a whole. (I'm sure there's many individuals, including me, he'd rather see in a hole, and that's fine too).
@Hiccups
When i interacted with you years ago via a friends facebook post, i couldn't believe how much of a far left tosser you were, ive never come across someone via friends who is so extreme and misguided in their ideology, if Antifa were active in Australia i have absolutely no doubt you would be one of those clowns on the streets thinking you are fighting some imaginary fascist, so the care factor on your opinion is minus zero.
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:@Indo
"my opinion is if is not broke don't fix it."Jesus Fucking Christ son, you haven't been paying attention.
I honestly have trouble understanding people like you, again the last 30 years has been an amazing prosperous period for Australia where basically anyone could have gone from rags to riches if they put their mind to it..
Yeah Covid sucked especially lockdowns and not being able to travel but globally we have done amazingly from an economical and health perspective.
Ive had kids in the last 10 years used healthcare systems countless times, child care, public schooling etc all have exceeded my expectations and generally been free or very low cost.
I really don't understand what more you people want or desire???
But whatever it is, im sorry to break the news to you, but your not going too magically get it under Labor.
I’m happy for you indo that life’s good and your content with your lot . Do you understand that in Australia some people are struggling with the cost of living as in food , rent , power .?……. Australia is a signatory to the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals. The first of these goals is “No poverty”. However, Australia has the 16th highest poverty rate out of the 34 wealthiest countries in the OECD – higher than the average for the OECD; higher than the UK, Germany and New Zealand. People living in poverty in Australia often miss out on essentials such as food or a roof over their heads. Children living in poverty often miss out on items such as school excursions.
Our 2020 report Poverty in Australia 2020: Part 1, Overview found that there are 3.24 million people (13.6%) living below the poverty line of 50% of median income – including 774,000 children (17.7%) and 424,800 young people (13.9%). In dollar figures, this poverty line works out to $457 a week for a single adult living alone; or $960 a week for a couple with 2 children. https://povertyandinequality.acoss.org.au/poverty/
I thought Labor fixed the poverty thing way back in the 80s,
"No child will be living in poverty by 1990"????
Anyway " $960 a week for a couple with 2 children" ( $49,920 a year) being labeled as poverty is a complete joke, that is in no way poverty.
True poverty is the shit you see in Indo or even people living on the street or in cars or remote Indigenous communities.
Technically i lived in poverty on the dole for years, i even once had to go get food vouchers because we spent all our dole on the bond for a rent, so i know what its like to do it hard, yeah its challenging at times, but to describe it is as poverty is extremely misleading, being on the dole in a developed country aint poverty and raising a family on $50K sure aint either.
What do you guys think of Clive Palmer and united Australia party?
indo-dreaming wrote:@Hiccups
When i interacted with you years ago via a friends facebook post, i couldn't believe how much of a far left tosser you were, ive never come across someone via friends who is so extreme and misguided in their ideology, if Antifa were active in Australia i have absolutely no doubt you would be one of those clowns on the streets thinking you are fighting some imaginary fascist, so the care factor on your opinion is minus zero.
You've repeatedly shown that you don't even know what far left means, you absolute pillock.
truebluebasher wrote:Howard's GST decimated Australian Productivity!
Layered GST penalises High Tech assembly = No Australian made Nothing!
No amount of handouts ever halted Oz production slide into Oblivion.
Libs have a Question : "Wot'z Production?"
Making our own stuff instead of rewarding imports of useless crap and on selling it to us as shit!Made in Australia wasn't an election issue until this week! Kinda isn't, coz all ignored it!
{Key!} LP = Labour Production + MP = Multifactor Productivity (Bang for yer Buck or Value Add)1996 Howard inherited a shit hot Productivity rate from Labor of LP 4.4% + MP 2.4%
1999/00 Howard blew the lot LP 0.6% + MP 0.1%Howard instantly knew that he & Libs are pretty shit with the Economy! This becomes his signature!
Threatens to rollout biggest ever tax on Oz Productivity { GST } > The end of Oz Made everything!Ironically a Pre GST Boom on Housing & Everything > racing before end of Australian Made Era kicked in.
tbb attests: Local family firms pushing out 30 -40 homes / month in Local area.2001/02 Howard did Nothing but mandate fear > restoring LP 4.8% + MP 3.2% (Howard's Yo Yo era!)
Meaning he is a fucking idiot with zero control or ideas on what an Oz economy is & where to find one!
2002/03 Howard's GST failed miserably > LP 0.8% + MP 0.1%
tbb attests : Local Family firms now cutting prices fighting for 3 homes / month 1,000km from home!
Most of us were down at CES on regular Basis...(Howard has no idea how many families his GST destroyed)
tbb's family & school mates / neighbours / families all 20yrs long working men left to rot & lost Homes & kids!Oz dream was over > Forever! Howard offsets his [L] fuck up with (Middle Class Welfare) Handouts!
2003 Howard's laughable $21,000 Home rebate for $50-$100k GST real impost was a gift to developer donors!
Experts : It just rises the prices higher & higher to this day forever & ever! A Total Fuck Up from the biggest loser!
2003 Treasurer: Pimping wives in illegal DIY Brothels...$5,000 barcode babies for 2023 [L] War on China Army!
2003/04 Bricks'n'Mortar'n'Baby Bonus = LP 3.3% > MP 1.7% ( Yo-Yo mad they are! Do I press or pull Johnny! )
2004/05 GST had now killed Manufacturing it's dead (Johnny's Brother came begging for WR handout & got it!)It's dead you fuckwit! Your GST killed it...LP 0.2% + MP - 0.9% (Type O negative) Howard is an economic Disaster!
2005/06 Howard keeps throwing Handouts > Factories / Car Industry > LP 1.3% + 2006/07 MP -0.6%
2007/08 Howard's GST has decimated Oz productivity > LP 0.7% + MP -0.6%
Note every time he threw more at the GST the less it gives back! Gee! ( Coz that's how it works you fucking Moron! )
Oz was now owing more than it Produces ...now backpedalling!
From GST Oz Productivity slides more & more each & every day & has never been more dead than now. (Losers!)
Howard / Costello are the most Anti Oz Made pathetic treasurers in Oz history! Sure! They got the Sack! All Over!Dec 2007 Kevin 07 World Economic Crisis Recovery > School Builds
2009/10 Lifts Building > LP 3% + MP 1%
2010/11 Money dries up > LP 0.1% + MP - 0.6
(Yo-Yo due to Pink Bat Deaths ending programs > Note more deaths under Howard's Solar Rooftop Race) True!
June 2010 Gillard
2011/12 Blue Collar Job Pack $1.6b Oz Manufacture (Aero/Transit) > LP 3.6% + MP 1.4%
2012/13 Money dries up > LP 2.4% + MP 0.4%
2013/14 Kevin 2.0 > LP 2.7% + MP 1.1%Modern Lib era just gets more sad as Productivity dries up...Libs have no plan & no fuckin' Idea about economy!
No! Not just sayin' it...plot every line on the graph from GST to now...tbb is being ultra nice!
Sure! Watch Breaky TV Lib economic hero version...don't solve their fuck up that freezes Oz solid.
Here, have a go at this pathetic Lib lineup! Makes yer cry it does! Disappearing up our own arses!2013 Abbott > 2014/15 LP 2.1% +1% ( Note only Libs inherit +Productivity & Fuck it up! )
2015 Libs bludge > LP 1% + 0.8% So fuckin' Lazy & can't be trusted to run economy Ever!2016/17 Turnbull NBN & Again Oops! Try that Again! OMG just Stop already! LP 1.4% + MP 0.9%
2018/19 Nothin' Doing > 0% + 0.7%2019/20 Morrison LP 1.8% + MP 0% (Nothing to see but more Lazy Lib economics asleep at the wheel!)
2020/21 Covid Era LP 1.1% + 0.2%
2021/22 Covid recovery LP heading South + MP Flat liningLiberal's GST destroyed Oz economy & no amount of PM's Cash Splash or Hand outs can revive Oz!
GST balloon on Nation Building Mass Civil / Tech = 30% > 40% > 50% outlay...you can see it in the Graph!
GST forced Howard to abandon 50% / 50% state deals down to 10%-15% = State Toll Roads Boom! We pay!
Recall Telstra /Airports / Planes Sale was to build Fast Rail (Howard : Wot Fast Rail?) He fucked the Lot...it's over!Wotz Next! Albo's Nation Building Plan needs to cull GST Oz multi tiered Production creep before it begins!
Half or more will be blown on GST & will default to imports. ALP always promised a GST review...where is it!
Without it, this will turn to shit > Return to Howard's crazy person Yo Yo Productivity Spikes!
https://anthonyalbanese.com.au/my-plan/a-future-made-in-australia-2
Only by gutting & restructuring our penalising GST can Oz regain it's Productivity to compete on World scale.Hands up ! Any who foresee our Productivity Graph heading north!
Doubt if any of our grandchildren will ever live a full year of average Oz productivity in their lifetime!
That's a pretty low bar Election Promise...sadly not one Future Oz leader will ever soar so high.
All see the problem! Only the GST review can restore & reward Oz productivity...Our Future!https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/the-part-of-the-economy-making-woeful...
tbb - a couple of thought provoking posts.
First up, value adding: maybe Henry Ford's approach to make every component in-house is the way to go. thus avoiding the GST merry-go-round... and...make it all on a bus to avoid the crippling land price inputs... #vanmanufacturinglyfe
Post before, is it true Jewish parliamentarians are being targeted by C200? Would it be like some kind of teal environmental nuclear nazi U-Boat wolf in community concern sheep's clothing? That would be taller than fiction!
I've voted now. It was nice to do it postal, had time to actually research the parties with the form in front of me.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Read this short piece Indo :
Morrison’s gas cartel triggers huge east coast energy shock
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Morrison’s catastrophe is only complete when one understands that three-quarters of east coast gas is being shipped to China to strengthen its industry (including military). Yet, as Morrison makes an enemy of it, we are gutting the last of our industrial base to guarantee that we have no way to defend ourselves.
The cartel pays no tax, employs few, and spends a lot of money bribing the government. The final insult is that gas sets the marginal cost of electricity so everybody is about to be hammered on that bill, not to mention extra rate hikes.
This is a case of Dutch disease so virulent that it will kill the host.
This has to be close to the most important issue for the future of the country, crickets...
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