Australia - you're standing in it
"Yesterday was International Womans Day. SCOMO VANISHED- not 1 word."
Did he not address IWD at all? if not, that is insane.
good question guysmiley...
though a better question might be...
who are the 'grubby subbies'?
when literally, about the only think I can think of, that 'the left' of oz politics has actually achieved over the last ten years or so - the NDIS - is a system full of... wait for it...
grubby subbies...
(and it's not necesarily a bad thing... it's just the way stuff is...)
#StrawDude
#Again
"...and it's not necesarily a bad thing... it's just the way stuff is..."
and a follow up question might be...
why are these 'grubby subbies' - even the 'socialist' social worker type ones - voting for that hollow twit above? rather than the 'labour' party?
no not a spelling mistake
and no, not the straw man
"...and it's not necesarily a bad thing... it's just the way stuff is..."
well, I can tell you from my own experience, it isn't necassarily a bad thing
well, not ALL bad... but geez there's questions to be asked...
...so many questions!!
and btw
your defensive i know everything these are all a bunch of dumb cunts i know whats good for em prickly personality persona is totally missing the point...
again...
so back to my question, who are the workers you're wanting to save?
seriously, you are so out of touch
such a nyt style liberal wokester...
such a try hard, no ideas, know nothing, but think I know it all dumb cunt...
guysmiley
the grubby subbies?
...of all descriptions...
the public servants?
the factory workers, the wage workers, the retail workers, the hospitality workers, tourism, road workers, traffic controllers, librarians, builders, truckies, secretaries, health workers nurses, miners, tree loppers...
all the people that should (did) vote labor...
but don't
thr real questions is...
why?
Your evidence they no longer vote Labor?
Many of the professions you list haven't had a real increase in wages for a decade or more and we have had a LNP govt for the last 8-9 years - Labor's fault?
Retail, tourism and hospitality workers have had their penalty rates removed by the LNP stacked Fair Work Commission and as supported by the LNP govt - Labor's fault?
Builders?? WTF are you thinking here???
Health care workers and nurses are one of the last unionised workforces and do get pay increases because of it but they vote LNP?? yeah nah
Miners? Gina or the Twiggy kind or FIFOs on large $$ what are you talking about??
Truckies - mix of sub contractors or slaves to big companies on minimum coin for the hours - presumably you're talking about the wage earner type and again remember the work place reforms the last Labor govt attempted to introduce but the LNP opposed, yeah those voter would be voting LNP wouldn't they.
Are we talking urban myth here or what?
Working class???? THEY GONNA TAKE YOUR UTES!!!!!!!!!
"Your evidence they no longer vote Labor?"
err, labor not getting in, or scratching their way in, despite several elections being 'unloseable'...
"Many of the professions you list haven't had a real increase in wages for a decade or more and we have had a LNP govt for the last 8-9 years - Labor's"
well, if one accepts ' the evidence' of having over the top immigration as being a key suppressor of wages.... then... yes!!!
"Retail, tourism and hospitality workers have had their penalty rates removed by the LNP stacked Fair Work Commission and as supported by the LNP govt - Labor's fault?"
see my question above... the question is... why?
"Builders?? WTF are you thinking here???"
Im thinking the once blf, ...'grubby subbies', ...and a heap of other crew, that ten years ago would have voted right 'over my dead body' clearly are now voting 'right', of sorts... well some are... thats a problem... grouping all these 'builders' together as a monolith of 'toxic masculinity', ...amongst other things..., may also be a problem... take it from me, many still vote left... but ya gotta wonder why...
"Health care workers and nurses are one of the last unionised workforces and do get pay increases because of it but they vote LNP?? yeah nah"
doesn't mean they'd walk over hot coals for the privelage of looking after imported chinese grandmothers... especially when they - and the system - is clearly under so much pressure...
'"Miners? Gina or the Twiggy kind or FIFOs on large $$ what are you talking about??"
the workers, a surprising number would have voted for a resources rent tax, and a huge number are still old school unionists... monolithing, stereotyping, and turning one's back on these voters, would have done labor no favours... but some of them would (still) never vote lnp, ever... for now...
(the modern fifo crew is actually a very 'diverse' bunch of grunts, the well trained, and academic types, ...but you wouldn't know it if you listened to 'the expert' on here, the dumb cunt don't know shit..)
yes wage earners, of all kinds
'the left's' contemporay agenda goes out of it's way to isolate everyone, in an attempt to be 'inclusive'...
it's broken
it's toxic
it's fake
it was was once well meaning and genuine, but the professionalisation and outright cynicism of the modern numbers game has been laid bare, and the only people who cannot see its toxicity and falseness are those that are on the inside
they're scratching their heads
wondering... 'what's wrong with all these people?'
saying... 'turkeys voting for christmas'
etc.
...couldn't possibly be the party could it it?
the agenda...
when we see pretty much exactly the same patterns across the whole developed world...
"Working class???? THEY GONNA TAKE YOUR UTES!!!!!!!!!"
totally false cynical information put out by one party, that has been clung to in its significance, in desperation to explain another party's incompetence
the impact of such rubbish statements would have been miniscule
Look at Sypkan, solid showing for swellnet 'lack of self reflection' award. It's a tough comp though. Keep it up chief.
"Look at Sypkan, solid showing for swellnet 'lack of self reflection' award. It's a tough comp though. Keep it up chief."
'the projection is strong with this one'
again...
Projection? You've just posted pages of solid evidence there big fella. You almost managed to string it into a coherent train of thought too, progress there I guess. If I had some stickers, you'd get a silver star.
self reflection mate...
it's you, and 'the allies', that are totally void of self reflection
even when other allies are spelling it out for you (not me, there's many... big important ones included!)
Ooo, cryptic!
Sigh.
Two fundamental rules of AU politics (1) voters prefer it in the middle (2) governments loose elections oppositions never win them.
Since 1996 the LNP has been in power for 19 years. Labor just under 6 years.
Keating "if you change a government you change the country".
If you add up all the money the LNP has thrown at its aspirational base in tax concessions, cuts and direct government programs including the amounts directed to tradies it would be unbelievably eye-watering. Eye-watering amounts spent on the base isn't necessarily good for the country, it just keeps you in government.
The LNP have constructed a two-tiered economy and society where the winners are its base and the losers are the traditional Labor supporters in manufacturing and blue collar (often unionised) industries. The LNP base is all aspirational and overlooks the government corruption and largesse so long as they get a tax handout and can buy blueberries for $2.50 a punnet picked by illegal workers or illegally paid workers. As my LNP voting neighbour says "don't criticise Scomo he gives me money".
........ and you want Labor to do what? How does it lift its primary vote from the mid 30s? Stop immigration? anything else?
The horse has bolted the country is irreversibly changed ............
Well said Guy.
I wonder if any of these political wunderkinds have ever paused to think what would happen if Labor were to introduce their pipe dream of stopping immigration. What happens when the economy tanks - which it will, immigration has been propping it up for decades - and the hostile press go after them, skipping over any and all nuance and just screaming Labor can't manage the economy.
Imagine being such a useful idiot that you took Howards dog-whistle on immigration so seriously that you ignored practically all the other issues, standing by slagging off Labor when they have actual policies that would help the working class voters and help bring the inequality down all because they won't (can't) take up their pet issue.
Useful idiots if there ever were any. But hey, they served their purpose, the dog whistle did exactly what it was intended to do.
most of that may well be true guysmiley, once.., but most would agree we're in different political times now, not just in oz, but but across the world, somewhat unchartered waters, where old rules no longer apply...
but if we take these two statements as still somewhat true...
"Two fundamental rules of AU politics (1) voters prefer it in the middle (2) governments loose elections oppositions never win them."
(1) do you think labor has played the middle re. ...immigration?
...the 'inevitability' of the offshoring of globalisation?
...the 'all in' nature of selling our country to the chinese over and above sharing it around?
I would argue labor have gone over and above the middle on all of these 'inevitabilities', well over and above the lnp in fact, and people are pissed...
(2) so what the hell have labor been doing for that 25 years?
because the lnp have been woeful, aside from a brief moment of turdball, and one statement from morrison, I disagree with pretty much everything they have done
but, wtf have labor achieved in that time?
there's been lots of suggestions and proposals, but they've achieved fuck all
not least, holding the lnp to account
19 years of woefulness, 6 years of wishy washy, and 25 years of being even more woeful than the woeful woefulness of the lnp...
what a record!
not many people are suggrsting 'stopping immigration', ...but asking a bit more from our leaders than selling the whole country to the highest bidder, no matter how unscrupulous that bidder may be...
and having a bit of a plan
a plan with a bit more 'diversity' than selling citizenship, resources, and the public's assetts...
a plan that they can actually share with the public, rather than selling the country from beneath us in the darkness of night
is that really too much to ask?
Since Howard’s time the political world has incrementally moved to the right from the traditional centre. Labor is now centre right LNP far right. You want Labor to return to the traditional centre left on the political spectrum where the greens currently sit. How do you think that would go down as a scare program and with Murdoch?
LNP are such a far right party that they passed same sex marriage and in the past year have spent more on social welfare than any government in Australian history.
If anything they have moved a little towards the left as have most of the world
"Since Howard’s time the political world has incrementally moved to the right from the traditional centre. Labor is now centre right LNP far right."
well yeh, but the whole western world has seen this same incremental shift, constantly blaming howard is just political point scoring. especially when it was labor that initiated this shift under hawke / keating, in answer to some pretty profound problems, and a changing world political landscape...
"You want Labor to return to the traditional centre left on the political spectrum where the greens currently sit."
geez, there's all sorts of wrongness there, so much so, I'm reluctant to go there...
but anyway, ...the greens went far far left on the wokeness scale, as they also accepted the 'inevitability' of neoliberalism / globalisation ie. high immigration. the greens purged their traditional 'far left', as wokeness and other 'agendas' took over. agendas that fed, lead, and became one and the same... the greens have made themselves pretty much a laughing stock, except for the diehards...
I want labor to go to the 'sensible centre' (far left) re. public ownership of various essential services. I'd also like labor to adopt some sensible centre environmentalism, rather than the all or nothing cc cultism that has gotten them absolutely nowhere...
"How do you think that would go down as a scare program and with Murdoch?"
I gotta say, and I really cannot emphasise this enough, 'the left' have got to get over this obsession with murdoch. he has his market, and the right / left political spectrum is a sliding scale, so therefore, he'll always have his market...
'the left' need to give up on this all encompassing go to excuse for having some shit ideas; some wacky supporters and agendas; and a general appearance of incompetence and all over the shop-ness
maybe if 'the left' got their shit together in some cohesive proposals that MOST people can get behind, rather than constantly focussing on what an irrelevant old man is saying about them, they might actually get somewhere...
some 'self reflection', focussing on what matters, and the cuttung loose of nutjobs and their whimsical obsessions would go a long long way to facilitating this
If they are spending “more on social welfare than any government in Australian history” kind of points out the fact that they are doing something wrong.
Meaning that if they were such great managers of the economy then there should be less need for welfare, at least according to their arguments every time they cut pay and conditions
#HiHoSypkan
#GishGallopingHorsePuckey
#Again
hohum
same old same old
same shit arse terminology, and same lame memes...
do you really not bore yourself?
because geez it's lame and tedious at this end
Ineffective government and leadership has become the new syphilis. How are we going to fix it?
Sypkan we’re never going to agree, as I said I think the horse has bolted and it isn’t coming back. What you’re after isn’t going to happen ever .... how good is Australia?
From 2020:
"Ho fucken hum.
No historical context + no basic ideological framework + media led and fed ideas and opinions = ??
Confused regurgitative nonsense.
Back to the source for those that think, say, the 'working class' are the supporters of One Nation and Trump, or that wearing hi viz, steel caps, and getting your hands dirty makes you 'working class', or if you don't fit that stereotype, you're excluded etc etc.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/09/working-class-peoples-guide-capitalis...
Read! (Especially the usual suspect non-readers)
It ain't long.
And take a minute or two to digest (you don't get kudos for barking shtuff back up after bolting it down too quickly)
Re: the article, personally I'd place a bit more emphasis on the importance of class consciousness too. Education and critical thinking is a winner. Seeing as the multi-faceted Humanities discipline is facing a 113% fee hike under this Fed Govts tertiary education 'plan', we may all come to understand its importance the hard way!"
Haha.
so so wrong facto
your 'solution' is half of the problem...
your 'solution' with a little focus... you may actually get somewhere...
and as to 'gishgalloping'... yeh nah, they're all connected and interrelated, the fact you cannot see that just shows your small mindedness, lack of critical thought, and self reflection...
ironically enough...
again...
and seriously facto, enough with the 'us and them' bullshit, ...if you cannot see that as half of the problem, well, ...you're the whole fucking problem!
robwilliams
by the cuttung of dead wood, and a much needed focus...
which means half of the labor party and their agenda have to go
(and 3/4 of the greens)
An easy read at how politics and law is entwined in Australia.
Law In Australian Society, An introduction to principles and process. By Keiran Hardy.
Highly recommended for those looking for an educational read relating to current and past developments.
we're actually not that far apart guysmiley
you yourself have called high immigration 'lazy economics'
you have also shown the balls to call out our reliance on the dogs that are the corrupt ccp (if only your wokester buddies had the gumption or ability of objectivity to do so...)
pretty sure you'd also be all in on government run / influenced renewables (bernie sanders style) and the need for at least some home based manufacturing capacity
How we going to get the focus, passion for change back? Communicate, educate, activate. We got to empower our selves, waiting for the other side or our side to act is divisive and stagnating our future prospects. Be part of the solution, act locally, be vocal, be aware, take responsibility for your area. Be positive change. Plant the seed. It starts with us.
The 'Big Swinging Dicks' were named by journalist Glenn Milne in...ahem...The Australian, back when Julie Bishop was Deputy Leader. They were named as Steve Ciobo, Greg Hunt, Mattias Cormann, Jamie Briggs, Michael Keenan, Michael Ronaldson, Christopher Pyne, Peter Dutton and Scott Morrison.
How big?
Anyone mentioned the "slave tradeing parasite labour hire companies"?
Little johnies biggest whinge was high wages, so they (libs) set up l.h. company paradise ("for u not for me"...devo).
Pay me $25/hr charge $75/hr to client.
Please explain the ideology, economics behind that great leap backwards?!.
#Clive'sACard
#HisAdsDon'tMakeALickOfDifference
#DoYouRememberTheTime?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/10/clive-palmer-vaccine-ads/
#WAStateElectionOrSomeShitThisWeekend
@happyppl , yes those labor hire companies are a disgrace , when I worked for McMahon on BHP site , part of the agreement was you got $1000 per month bonus (PIP) paid at the end of construction job . A friend was working along side me but was employed by Hays , same hourly rate however at the end of job no bonus was paid . It was a 18 month job so $18,000 they held which BHP had paid to them . He fought it and it took 12 months but finally got paid , then all the other blokes who did nothing put up their hand and got paid too . Labor hire companies are a license to print money.
Labour Hire companies are vultures.
@ Fliplid
I am talking about the extra support needed during Covid Job keeper payments alone is over 100 billion.
How good is the rule of law :P
PM Scovid declares Porter INNOCENT - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/10/scott-morrison-de...
No action taken against criminal acts by immigration minister - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/23/coalition-ministe...
No law broken by Aus post head Christine Holgate but PM Scovid declares her guitly, calls for her head. https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/politics/australia-post-...
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.