Australia - you're standing in it
Hopefully WokeA1 becomes available to these people soon, and they can edit things to their own tastes for themselves
Vote Dutton, Get Nuttin’! Vote Labor, Get Disappointed… ( Ross Leigh for the AIM Network)
If you look at politics over the past fifty years or so, certain patterns start to emerge both federally and in state elections. The pattern has consistently gone something like this:
The Coalition are in power because people have been convinced that they’re the more stable party who will govern soundly and be economically responsible.
Eventually people start to notice that this is not happening and get sick of the self-congratulations of the Coalition and think that Labor deserve a chance and that they seem less dangerous than previous Labor governments who were all communists hell-bent on destroying the country by thinking that unions had the right to push for better working conditions.
Once enough people agree with Point 2 and no longer believe what the papers are telling them, Labor wins enough seats to form government.
Some people will complain that Labor aren’t communists after all, and that they’re no better than the other mob, but most people are happy for a while because while they haven’t solved everything, there’s one or two glaring problems that have been fixed… such as the Liberal leader who was in charge is gone and the Labor leader who’s taken over hasn’t shown themselves to be a complete tosser.
The Coalition do a bit of rethink and stay out of the limelight and try to work out what they can do to regain power. This might mean saying something like, “Well, we really wanted to stick with Harold but once he didn’t come back from that swim, we made the mistake of picking the wrong guy and… Look, it isn’t about us, have a look at what Labor’s doing!”
With the Coalition only bobbing up whenever Labor make a mistake, people forget how bad they were and start to grow disappointed with Labor.
Eventually there’ll be some world-wide crisis (oil shocks, runaway inflation, GFC) and the media will give free rein to the Coalition’s argument that this is all Labor’s fault even though the rest of the world is going through the same problem. By this stage, Labor will have also actually made some bad decisions so when it’s all combined, a bright, shiny new Coalition will be elected and they’ll proceed to talk about needing time, core and non-core promises and tell us all that we must have misunderstood: no cuts didn’t mean that there wouldn’t be some adjustments to the funding, and that a promise not to axe something merely meant that they wouldn’t be using that wood-cutting tool when they got rid of it.
Labor have a period of soul-searching where they agree with the media that they got it wrong, while the new government will remind us that the Coalition never get anything wrong and that it’s only the electorate that make mistakes occasionally, which will start the whole process of Now We Remember Why We Voted These Guys Out…
Of course, if that last point about guys looks a little sexist, remember we are talking about the Coalition, so there’s a good chance it was mainly guys because they don’t believe in quotas for women, but quotas for National Party Ministers are just fine.
Anyway, I just thought that I’d remind people of the patterns as we approach a Budget which I’m sure will be disappointing for many. Ok, it may be more disappointing for Peter Dutton than most people but I’m keeping my options open.
The areas of trouble are the delicate balancing act that Labor have to walk between doing anything vaguely humane – which we all know it what’s called “socialism” on Sky After Dark – and keeping the financial markets happy… So you could say that they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Of course, I wouldn’t say that because I try to avoid meaningless cliches, but I’m certainly not going to stop you.
Labor are extremely fortunate for the first time in my lifetime. For once, the thing hit while the Coalition was in power so the billions of dollars in debt racked up during Covid can’t be blamed on Labor… All right, that won’t stop Rupert’s reactionaries from trying to, but no thinking person is going to say that all that JobKeeper money was all the fault of the Labor Opposition for not stopping Josh and Scott. Of course, it’s also true that no thinking person could have blamed Labor for the oil shocks of the seventies or the GFC, but that didn’t stop the media from somehow suggesting that the economic conditions were the result of something Labor had done, or not done.
Now, while it seems that in the upcoming Budget they’ll be damned whatever, it’s also true that – politically speaking – they’re in a great position. They can get close to delivering the surplus that Joe Hockey promised the Liberals would deliver “in their first year and every year after”. This will undoubtedly lead to complaints that they should have done more in terms of cost of living relief from both the left and the Coalition where Angus Taylor will assure us that, not only should there have been more help for struggling taxpayers, but that his party would have delivered an even bigger surplus.
Politically speaking, it gives them the chance to wait until the Reserve Bank has managed to achieve its aim of suppressing inflation. The nearest analogy I can give is to suggest that the attitude of the Reserve Bank at the moment is rather like asking a vet if they can stop your dog barking only to have them put the poor mutt down. It may be effective but it’s completely lacking in both understanding and compassion. Once the Reserve Bank has the economy in recession, not only will they pat themselves on the back and say job done, but there’ll be a great opportunity for Labor to step up and say, “You know what this pre-election budget needs? A really healthy stimulus in the form of all sorts of things that people wish we’d done when we first got elected…”
Politically speaking, Labor aren’t in a terrible position at all. But then, politically speaking, neither is the worst dictator. Yes, it would be nice if Labor spring a few surprises next Tuesday and actually do things to help the most disadvantaged but I suspect that – if they get the chance – they’ll prefer an “up yours” to the Liberals by having Chalmers announce a small surplus.
That's only half the story Westof.
Another major pattern that can't be ignore is this one.
This is happening regardless of location, length of incumbency, or popularity of leaders.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-two-party-system-is-cooked-a...
Westofthelake wrote:Vote Dutton, Get Nuttin’! Vote Labor, Get Disappointed… ( Ross Leigh for the AIM Network)
If you look at politics over the past fifty years or so, certain patterns start to emerge both federally and in state elections. The pattern has consistently gone something like this:
The Coalition are in power because people have been convinced that they’re the more stable party who will govern soundly and be economically responsible.
Eventually people start to notice that this is not happening and get sick of the self-congratulations of the Coalition and think that Labor deserve a chance and that they seem less dangerous than previous Labor governments who were all communists hell-bent on destroying the country by thinking that unions had the right to push for better working conditions.
Once enough people agree with Point 2 and no longer believe what the papers are telling them, Labor wins enough seats to form government.
Some people will complain that Labor aren’t communists after all, and that they’re no better than the other mob, but most people are happy for a while because while they haven’t solved everything, there’s one or two glaring problems that have been fixed… such as the Liberal leader who was in charge is gone and the Labor leader who’s taken over hasn’t shown themselves to be a complete tosser.
The Coalition do a bit of rethink and stay out of the limelight and try to work out what they can do to regain power. This might mean saying something like, “Well, we really wanted to stick with Harold but once he didn’t come back from that swim, we made the mistake of picking the wrong guy and… Look, it isn’t about us, have a look at what Labor’s doing!”
With the Coalition only bobbing up whenever Labor make a mistake, people forget how bad they were and start to grow disappointed with Labor.
Eventually there’ll be some world-wide crisis (oil shocks, runaway inflation, GFC) and the media will give free rein to the Coalition’s argument that this is all Labor’s fault even though the rest of the world is going through the same problem. By this stage, Labor will have also actually made some bad decisions so when it’s all combined, a bright, shiny new Coalition will be elected and they’ll proceed to talk about needing time, core and non-core promises and tell us all that we must have misunderstood: no cuts didn’t mean that there wouldn’t be some adjustments to the funding, and that a promise not to axe something merely meant that they wouldn’t be using that wood-cutting tool when they got rid of it.
Labor have a period of soul-searching where they agree with the media that they got it wrong, while the new government will remind us that the Coalition never get anything wrong and that it’s only the electorate that make mistakes occasionally, which will start the whole process of Now We Remember Why We Voted These Guys Out…
Of course, if that last point about guys looks a little sexist, remember we are talking about the Coalition, so there’s a good chance it was mainly guys because they don’t believe in quotas for women, but quotas for National Party Ministers are just fine.
Anyway, I just thought that I’d remind people of the patterns as we approach a Budget which I’m sure will be disappointing for many. Ok, it may be more disappointing for Peter Dutton than most people but I’m keeping my options open.
The areas of trouble are the delicate balancing act that Labor have to walk between doing anything vaguely humane – which we all know it what’s called “socialism” on Sky After Dark – and keeping the financial markets happy… So you could say that they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Of course, I wouldn’t say that because I try to avoid meaningless cliches, but I’m certainly not going to stop you.
Labor are extremely fortunate for the first time in my lifetime. For once, the thing hit while the Coalition was in power so the billions of dollars in debt racked up during Covid can’t be blamed on Labor… All right, that won’t stop Rupert’s reactionaries from trying to, but no thinking person is going to say that all that JobKeeper money was all the fault of the Labor Opposition for not stopping Josh and Scott. Of course, it’s also true that no thinking person could have blamed Labor for the oil shocks of the seventies or the GFC, but that didn’t stop the media from somehow suggesting that the economic conditions were the result of something Labor had done, or not done.
Now, while it seems that in the upcoming Budget they’ll be damned whatever, it’s also true that – politically speaking – they’re in a great position. They can get close to delivering the surplus that Joe Hockey promised the Liberals would deliver “in their first year and every year after”. This will undoubtedly lead to complaints that they should have done more in terms of cost of living relief from both the left and the Coalition where Angus Taylor will assure us that, not only should there have been more help for struggling taxpayers, but that his party would have delivered an even bigger surplus.
Politically speaking, it gives them the chance to wait until the Reserve Bank has managed to achieve its aim of suppressing inflation. The nearest analogy I can give is to suggest that the attitude of the Reserve Bank at the moment is rather like asking a vet if they can stop your dog barking only to have them put the poor mutt down. It may be effective but it’s completely lacking in both understanding and compassion. Once the Reserve Bank has the economy in recession, not only will they pat themselves on the back and say job done, but there’ll be a great opportunity for Labor to step up and say, “You know what this pre-election budget needs? A really healthy stimulus in the form of all sorts of things that people wish we’d done when we first got elected…”
Politically speaking, Labor aren’t in a terrible position at all. But then, politically speaking, neither is the worst dictator. Yes, it would be nice if Labor spring a few surprises next Tuesday and actually do things to help the most disadvantaged but I suspect that – if they get the chance – they’ll prefer an “up yours” to the Liberals by having Chalmers announce a small surplus.
A+ Sir!
A glowing response from sky news in regards to the liar from shire and his supposedly new position……https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-prime-minister... ……Why say this now , why not speak up when it was happening .
AndyM wrote:That's only half the story Westof.
Another major pattern that can't be ignore is this one.
This is happening regardless of location, length of incumbency, or popularity of leaders.https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-two-party-system-is-cooked-a...
I hear ya Andy, I'm all for the 'Others total'
Another one bites the dust . https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/liberal-mp-stuart-robert-retires-tr... ……Liberal MP Stuart Robert retires, triggers by-election
I just realised that Albo had an interview with Piers Morgan. I will need to watch it when I get the chance, looks like lgbtq are already taking guns out over something he said https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/anthony-albanese-criticised-for-tran...
If I was to judge it from what was said in this smh article then I think Albo did pretty good. The commentary about appealing to the centre are spot on. This is one of the reasons I like Albo and his government.
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/when-anthony-albanese-met-piers-...
Supafreak wrote:A glowing response from sky news in regards to the liar from shire and his supposedly new position……https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-prime-minister... morrison-joins-advisory-board-of-center-for-new-american-security-to-provide-insights-and-expertise/news-story/b45f0f32ac09f4b7bdc371e8d4c3a719 ……Why say this now , why not speak up when it was happening . https://youtu.be/pZYAkXSPzMk
Privileged white men in ivory towers-both on lifetime parlimentary perks. Halfway through a banner appears asking to donate to John Anderson.
Supafreak wrote:A glowing response from sky news in regards to the liar from shire and his supposedly new position……https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-prime-minister... ……Why say this now , why not speak up when it was happening . https://youtu.be/pZYAkXSPzMk
covid was just another massive US government-media-thinktank-corporate-academia/research/"science" scam and lie all aimed at the wealthy getting wealthier - at concentrating wealth in fewer and fewer hands.
The scam currently taking place is Ukraine.
Then next on the list is going to war with China.
The problem is the whole US capitalist system is completely conflicted and compromised in terms of financial incentives, particularly due to the financial system funding model, and only significantly benefits a small number of people (the already wealthy):
Did you know that stock markets were invented in Western Europe and the UK in order to fund the colonial conquests of the West? The various East India Companies raised the required capital for their operations from the public and governments etc via issuing shares in these newly created stock markets, which were created for this very purpose. These companies had the full military, political, industrial, financial, etc, backing of their respective governments and wealthy elite, due to their share ownership. Share markets were basically the greatest invention of all time: they align the incentives of the wealthy elite who are able to own shares, industry, governments, etc, of entire countries to the particular ends/objectives of the companies they own shares in.
This share/financial market funded model is still in operation today. Well it's basically the whole capitalist model in a nutshell. covid is a perfect example of its operation. Not only are:
- both sides of US politics completely compromised in terms of donations and funding from medical and pharmaceutical companies,
- thinktanks and university research departments also compromised in the exact same way via their funding, and they are even (the) major advisors to governments, and
- governments, companies, thinktanks, universities, the wealthy elite, etc, all able to make relentless effective used of the media in order to convince the population to their cause via their media sophistication and deep pockets,
but "everyone involved" owns shares in the medical and pharmaceutical companies and hence win financially from their profitability, particularly the already wealthy who are able to own shares. The capitalist share market funding model aligns all these players' incentives to the profitability of the companies in which they own shares, and the whole ecosystem all works together in a coordinated way with the same objectives: to ensure this profitability and hence their own personal wealth.
Add to that the fact that the media makes its money from the public relations and advertising of governments, thinktanks, corporates, wealthy elite, etc, then you also have the media's interests also aligned to the same cause.
(Even we Australian citizens via our superannuation funds holding shares in global ETFs have the same aligned financial incentives.)
Next on the list is going to war with China, and of course we see all around us all day the whole government-media-military/defence industry-thinktank-academia-wealthy elite ecosystem in overdrive, all with their incentives aligned via the complex web of financial/funding/donation relationships within this ecosystem as well as to the profitability of the military and defence companies in which they own shares.
This is the main problem with capitalist liberal democracies with captured media. They don't provide the people with what they want via some kind of democratic process - this is a fairytale that you teach gullible 1st year uni students, and we all complain about it all day every day in these forums. Instead, they enable to formation of complex webs or ecosystems of wealthy and powerful players, all with their financial and wealth incentives aligned, who are able to use the "democratic" process, capitalist financial markets, and captured media, to their advantage in getting rich. Too bad for the ordinary person being left behind, which is the main problem Australia is facing today: we're going further and further down this capitalist model aimed at concentrating wealth in few and fewer hands. We used to be a country which values fairness and egalitarianism.
This is also the main problem the West has with China (and Russia) and why the West wants to go to war with China to prevent it getting any more powerful. As for instance we just observed with what the Chinese government recently did to the big tech companies and surrounding wealthy elite ecosystem emerging in China, a single political party state can just break apart and basically level these ecosystems, preventing them from accumulating and concentrating huge wealth in fewer and fewer hands, and instead distributing that wealth more fairly and evenly to the population. The wealthy elite of the West do not want to have a bar of this idea of equality and fairness; they don't want the Chinese to have any influence and power that may threaten their elite wealth and standing on the planet.
GSCO, what you write is all very true. BUT, at least in the west , you are allowed to write about it.
GSCO as usual only engages in one sided arguments. So poetic, sounds like one party system is the way to go.
Flollo, a one party system can be great , IF it's MY party lol
On most major issues that really matter, and the list is endless, our “democracy” behaves like a one party state via bipartisan support. The people aren’t given the opportunity to choose.
And actually if the democrats got their way, the US would be a one party state. The last time I looked they had infiltrated social media (eg twitter files) and they’re also trying to persecute and jail their political opposition (eg donald). They’re behaving more and more like a junta by the day.
I agree with you regarding Democrats gsco. I actually can’t believe what I’m witnessing.
… ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’… ;)
- sounds about as legit as ‘government’ and ‘media’ ;)
… by the people… for the people ;);)
Of course.
Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story tho ;)
Sheepdog wrote:GSCO, what you write is all very true. BUT, at least in the west , you are allowed to write about it.
totally,
a great post from gsco, all very true...
but also, a great one line rebuttal from sheepdog
(sadly, that''s all it takes)
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flollo wrote:I agree with you regarding Democrats gsco. I actually can’t believe what I’m witnessing.
I think a lot of people literally cannot believe what they are seeing
anyone that's paying attention anyway...
if you are paying attention... and you are not a little concerned, creeped out, and/or that little chestnut... outraged...
there's no hope for you
Editorial
The lobbyist prime minister It is almost too perfect. Scott Morrison will leave parliament to become a lobbyist, an oily little stain trailing him out of the office. The irony is that this will be the first time he has represented somebody other than himself. He will finally go to Canberra with a purpose.
Looked at another way, AUKUS was a $368 billion pitch to get Scott Morrison a job. It is reported that he will soon take a role at a British defence company. He will not resign until the contract is signed. It is a continuous, unbroken grift.
Morrison is not “going to the other side”. He was always a shill for corporate interests. His approach to defence was always about his fortunes, not the country’s. This year, as he called for an enormous increase in military spending, he was shopping himself to the very companies that would profit most. There is no shame. There is not even self-respect. There is just Scott. Lobbying is a grub in the political system. It exists to distort democracy. It is grotesque that someone who was once prime minister would hang out his shingle. It is appalling how common it has become for ministers and their staffers to take up work touting for industry.
This week it was reported that nearly 1800 lobbyists have orange passes that give them full access to Parliament House. There is no register for who has these passes or of which politicians sponsored them.
The lobbying code and register are not enforceable. As The Centre for Public Integrity notes, they need to be legislated and breaches need to carry criminal penalties. Ministerial diaries should be published and meetings with lobbyists noted. In a report released this week, the centre points to a string of recent ministers now working as lobbyists: former Defence minister Joel Fitzgibbon; former Foreign minister Julie Bishop; former Trade minister Andrew Robb; former Defence minister Christopher Pyne, who days earlier had to register himself as a representative of a foreign government.
It notes that one of Anne Ruston’s staff took up as a lobbyist for Airbus nine days after leaving her office. One of Mathias Cormann’s staff began lobbying for Ampol a fortnight after their employment ended. On it goes, like a child pouring bath water from one cup into another.
Morrison the greaseball prime minister will soon be Morrison the greaseball lobbyist. It’s a smaller change than it should be, a final tarnish on the office, a sad expression of a failed politics, unable to attract real talent, bobbing back and forth through the sluiceway of venality and self-interest.
His pass will change colour, perhaps his shoes will get better, but he will remain the spiv he always has been, a travelling salesman driving a caravan of cant and opportunism and now guns and probably submarines. It is terribly sad in the way that realising the country was run for four years by a solipsistic thug is terribly sad. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2023/05/06/the-lob...
Better economic managers
Bahahaha, vandalism more than it
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/05/morrison-governme...
haha "..solipsistic thug..." what an accurate description!
Consulting and outsourcing, partnered with defence company lobbying … $
- all for a good cause ;)
https://m.
Hahahaha Angus not being taken seriously .
Just got home, put the TV on for the first time and see this from @JEChalmers “Angus Taylor is not a serious person. He’s not making a serious contribution, and that’s why nobody takes him seriously” - BOOM 👏🔥#budget #auspol pic.twitter.com/L76zl16JiE
— The Sage (@SarkySage) May 9, 2023
Wonder if the LNP have any left over black mugs they could sell cheaply to Labor??
Trust the health experts modelling?!
Never before witnessed’: WA auditor rips government over nearly $600 million RAT spend
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/never-before-...
Spreadsheets and exponential curves without commonsense are expensive things.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93kbm7/customers-are-feeling-the-strain-.... 'Customers Are Feeling the Strain,' Say Australia's Big Four Banks After Reporting Record Profit
frog wrote:Trust the health experts modelling?!
Never before witnessed’: WA auditor rips government over nearly $600 million RAT spend
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/never-before-...
Spreadsheets and exponential curves without commonsense are expensive things.
But they were seen as heroes? What about that quarantine facility in QLD that the state was planning to build? What's the status of that one? These are nice little contributors to inflation. Inflation is going nowhere over the next 2-3 years at least.
#DuttonGovernment
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/05/magnificent-dutton-enrages-woke...
Plan for the lodge has just been outlined.
velocityjohnno wrote:#DuttonGovernment
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/05/magnificent-dutton-enrages-woke...
Plan for the lodge has just been outlined.
The author of this article is dreaming if he believes spud will get elected next election if he follows this strategy . Spud will never be PM of Australia, ever , but long may he remain as opposition leader .
velocityjohnno wrote:#DuttonGovernment
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/05/magnificent-dutton-enrages-woke...
Plan for the lodge has just been outlined.
Tell Dutton he's dreaming......
Meat for his base, but they are shrinking.
He and his party may have some other distractions come July.
https://www.ag.gov.au/integrity/national-anti-corruption-commission#:~:t....
He'll actually get it, if he keeps on point phrasing it in terms everyday people are experiencing, it's not being pitched to the shrinking base, it's being pitched to everyone who is being affected, especially poorer/renting/homeless/those who the inflation is hurting Australians:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/labors-big-australia-...
listen to his words
(doesn't mean I support his party after what they've done, it's just that it's a massive economic issue felt by everyday people, and current gov will make housing, renting and inflation way worse with their policies)
Words are one thing , action is what’s needed. LNP have always been big on words but fail to deliver . The public is awake to spud and his new image , young voters will never get behind spud and eventually the LNP will realise it . There will be more tax reform before the next election. People don’t believe spud when his lips move , he’s known as Mr 17% for a reason .
He is just playing games.
"To be blunt, there is no evidence the last government had a different plan during its nine years in power. Dutton cut the number of permanent migrants, but this was not the same as cutting total migration or stopping population growth – because people came in on short-term visas and created a permanent underclass of temporary migrants."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/desperate-dutton-s-attack-lines-...
.@latingle is joined by the @FinancialReview's @jacobgreber for his analysis of Opposition Leader @PeterDutton_MP's budget reply. #abc730 #auspol pic.twitter.com/k01U3qUaXb
— abc730 (@abc730) May 11, 2023
The ratings are in: Dutton’s a dud – a dangerous dud. https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/05/13/michael-pascoe-the-ratings.... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-13/peter-dutton-budget-reply-stickin...
No farewell sermon from brother stewie , this bloke needs serious investigation for his time in parliament . https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stuart-robert-to-skip-biden-s-vi...
Supafreak wrote:No farewell sermon from brother stewie , this bloke needs serious investigation for his time in parliament . https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stuart-robert-to-skip-biden-s-vi...
Yep....
If he doesn't make an appearance along with Well Done Angus and Scomo (plus quite a few more retired and serving LNP stooges) then think it could safely be said that this anti-corruption is a weak lettuce leaf.
https://www.ag.gov.au/integrity/national-anti-corruption-commission
Supafreak wrote:No farewell sermon from brother stewie , this bloke needs serious investigation for his time in parliament . https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/stuart-robert-to-skip-biden-s-vi...
Notice the similarities. The animated one is probably more useful though.
Brother stewie is bit of a highly paid dole bludger . He hasn’t formally resigned yet but still draws a salary . Surely not turning up for work are grounds for dismissal ? As for Scumo, well we might be stuck with him a bit longer.
https://t.co/DHgoijLmAD
— Mari R (@randlight) May 15, 2023
Love this story:The Australian, Scott Morrison has been searching for a post-politics job but was disappointed when PwC, of all people, rebuffed his approach, saying that he would have brought an unacceptable level of reputational risk to the firm. 😄
Brother stewie hanging on to squeeze Australians for every cent he can get . If you don’t show up for Centerlink appointments or work for the dole , Im pretty sure your payment gets canceled . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-17/athony-albanese-stuart-robert-res...
The Grifter in chief's son is touring AU to whip up the anti-wokesters
GuySmiley wrote:The Grifter in chief's son is touring AU to whip up the anti-wokesters
I wonder if anyone has told Don Jr that a "Landmark Australian Tour" would be something along the lines of Pink Floyd reforming and touring Australia. Might be worth spending some coin on the "Private Dinner" option just to be able to stir him up a bit and see how he handles himself in private. I think security would win that conversation.
GuySmiley wrote:The Grifter in chief's son is touring AU to whip up the anti-wokesters
Grifters gotta grift.
"Turning Point events are immersive, infinitely shareable, and brag-worthy at the highest level."
I wonder what is this 'level' they refer to? (actually, not really).
Yep press the delete button on it. Australia should be having a referendum on this kind of major national decision instead of The Voice. The money should be spent on improving the quality of life of the Australia people:
Labor, Greens & Defence Experts call for AUKUS Parliamentary Inquiry
A range of high-profile politicians, former military leaders & academic experts have signed an open letter calling for a Parliamentary Inquiry into the AUKUS nuclear-powered submarine deal, appearing in full-page ads in the AFR today.
— Australia Institute (@TheAusInstitute) May 17, 2023
"What can go wrong? Everything." pic.twitter.com/hcXMJsGoix
"These nuclear submarines are not called killer subs for nothing.
— Australia Institute (@TheAusInstitute) May 18, 2023
"Why would you want to develop technology that puts you in a position where you're seen as an aggressor in the Pacific?"@DougCameron51 signed our open letter calling for a Parliamentary Inquiry into AUKUS deal pic.twitter.com/Y6ucZRVuR2
And while they're at it, stop taking advice from this nasty outfit ASPI.
gsco wrote:Yep press the delete button on it. Australia should be having a referendum on this kind of major national decision instead of The Voice. The money should be spent on improving the quality of life of the Australia people:
Labor, Greens & Defence Experts call for AUKUS Parliamentary Inquiry
https://twitter.com/TheAusInstitute/status/1658984505271799809
https://twitter.com/TheAusInstitute/status/1659007557225283584
And while they're at it, stop taking advice from this nasty outfit ASPI.
Yep scrap the deal..... Next US prez probably will for us, but after we have paid lots of $$$$.
Hitching your wagon too closely to The Empire of Truth and Peace which has the following track record of misadventures is not without risk:
Vietnam
Haiti
Central America - multiple
Bosnia / Serbia etc
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Libya
Ukraine
Has anything ever gone well for the exceptionals since WWII ?
But Albo signed up to AUKUS within 24 hrs of getting the sales pitch. Either he is a Geopolitical and Military genius with remarkable prescience, or he got totally steamrolled.
frog wrote:Hitching your wagon too closely to The Empire of Truth and Peace which has the following track record of misadventures is not without risk:
Vietnam
Haiti
Central America - multiple
Bosnia / Serbia etc
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Libya
UkraineBut Albo signed up to AUKUS within 24 hrs of getting the sales pitch. Either he is a Geopolitical and Military genius with remarkable prescience, or he got totally steamrolled.
Frog, out of curiosity, what's the problem with Bosnia and Serbia?
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/may/08/nato-...
Balkansation (fragmentation) and fermenting internal divisions of countries in eastern Europe (and the ME) keeps them weak - easy to manipulate and dominate. Not so nice for residents:
"The test run for NATO as human rights superheroes was Yugoslavia in 1999. To everybody but NATO and its neocon handlers in DC and many European capitals, it was a horrific, unjustified disaster. Seventy-eight days of bombing a country that did not threaten NATO left many hundreds of civilians dead, the infrastructure destroyed, and a legacy of uranium-tipped ammunition to poison the landscape for generations to come.
Just last week tennis legend Novak Djokovic recalled what it felt like to flee his grandfather’s home in the middle of the night as NATO bombs fell and destroyed it. What a horror!"
A lot has been done under the seductive flags of promoting Democracy, Human Rights and Freedom that you would wish on no country with often the opposite results.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.