Australia - you're standing in it
Maybe get some tips from New Zealand about disrupting a few games. Maybe even rent a Cessna or two off Air Qatar.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/flour-bomb-test-ends-springbok-tour
The future is basically fucked for sport, more and more this shit will get mixed in with sport and it will become more of a shit fight.
The real problem is there no end to it, there's pretty much a reason to boycott any sponsor or country if your precious enough.
We can only hope this also gets into pro surfing and surfers find a reason to not be sponsored by brands or not surf in events in certain countries* and it destroys pro surfing.
But its probably wishful thinking as in individual sports if you have a hissy fit over a sponsor or event you just shoot yourself in the foot and everyone goes, yeah well see you latter better for me.
* Yeah i know Tom Carrol did this long ago with Souh Africa
garyg1412 wrote:Yeah but in this particular part of the Islamic Kingdom they found an extremely precious product some 80 years ago which sort of catapulted them and their archaic views 2000 years ahead into our modern world view. It’s not about dictating or imposing our views on anybody. It’s about being decent fucking human beings and treating all citizens of your country and visitors to your country with the respect they deserve.
But we in the Aus/US/UK/NZ/Can etc empire only catapulted into power by invading, raping, pillaging, plundering, exploiting, looting, and/or decimating and stealing the lands of, many indigenous populations of the planet, and indeed courtesy of the African slave trade.
Who has the cleanest history in their rise to their modern selves?
A proper, balanced, non Eurocentric reading of history reveals that the Islamic Kingdom is one of the truely great civilisations on this planet that made unbelievably and astonishingly valuable contributions to humanity via such things as science and mathematics, art, culture, political institutions, engineering, medicine, etc.
I'm confused about who has the moral high ground and authority on this planet to impose their worldview and belief system on other civilisations. We only currently have the ability to do so since the US currently has the largest military.
I don't really see any nation, civilisation or peoples on this planet that can claim to be "decent fucking human beings and treating all citizens of your country and visitors to your country with the respect they deserve." We certainly don't rate as one.
Should we list all the atrocities committed by us, all the wars we in the west have been in since WWII, etc? How are we in Australia going with our disadvantaged, marginalised outback Aboriginal communities? How is the US going with inequality, poverty, the disadvantaged, etc? Specifically regarding labour/working conditions and abuses, how is the track record of the west in terms of exploitation of foreign (slave) labour?
How are we any better than them?
We don't have a leg to stand on. No-one does.
The soccer team is really only demonstrating how hypocritical, and ignorant and blind to their own history and backyards, they are. They should shut the fuck up.
Letting people pursue consensual love between adults is pretty basic stuff. It’s a starting point for legitimate civilisation. The Western world has moved on from institutional persecuting of people on the basis of fundamental and irreducible aspects of their humanity. Whilst we may fail in other aspects at least we have made significant progress in the most essential areas. Qatar has not.
Putting people in prison because they’re same sex attracted is medieval shit. Sure it may only be recent history since we’ve evolved past that point ourselves but at least we got there.
We’re trying real hard, Ringo.
comparing current hardcore islamic regimes (e.g. Wahhabism ideology, taliban rule) to Australia or western democracies is non-sensical. Past or present. Not discounting the mass murder and mayhem inflicted on our indigenous nations.
rose tinted glasses with a dose of anti-west delusion if you think the arabs weren't murdering, enslaving africans, and killing everyone in their path in the name of allah.
I think gsco has a point
but for me, the issue is everyone knows the outrageous wealth in these countries. and everyome knows despite this, that these countries still use an extreme version of slave labour to build their megastructures - often using their supoosed muslim 'brothers' from places like bangladesh etc... full fucking rock ape behaviour...
but the world knows this, ...fifa knows this... they knew all too well how their stadiums would be built... but they put the cup there anyway... they are just as big a villians as anyone to me...
and that's where the players come across a bit weak and wishy washy... a bit virtue signally...
where the hell have they been the last few years since the announcement?
yes you can argue 'the west' still uses slave labour, with nike and the likes using forced uygher labor etc... but I am not really aware of any such damning aussie examples
and, the hypocrisy also burns because the woke corporation / clinton obama minion machine takes a very un-nuanced stance on what is and isn't ''islamaphobia' ...and what is and isn't 'homophobia' and 'transphobia' too....
all the while, knowing very well about the persecution of homosexuals etc. from their very own donors and partners in the region... saudi arabia giving millions and millions to the clinton foundation, and getting a lead role on the UN human rights commission... and they expect the plebs to just quietly suck it all up... yeh nah...
then there's the clinton machine essentially shoving transexual sex shows down the throats of primary school kids ... in some twisted effort to overcome 'transphobia' or some shit...
pretty sure the oil shieks are watching their much beloved cable fox news... and doing a bit of vehement 'yeh nah' themselves...
san Guine wrote:"I notice the soccer guys are doing nothing more than virtue signalling…they will still go and take the money."
So a better idea is to say nothing....like everybody else?
The better idea is to actually take a real stand..woke virtue signalling is doing nothing.
If they had balls and were serious they would refuse to play. But they won't do that because they like the benefits too much.
Ok, all these soccer experts judging the world cup in Qatar. A question; who is the World Cup played for? Only Western countries?
garyg1412 wrote:Maybe get some tips from New Zealand about disrupting a few games. Maybe even rent a Cessna or two off Air Qatar.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/flour-bomb-test-ends-springbok-tour
I was at this test match...amazing piece of history to have seen live.
flollo wrote:Ok, all these soccer experts judging the world cup in Qatar. A question; who is the World Cup played for? Only Western countries?
The world cup is played to fund the FIFA gravy train.
Ok, every other sport is played to fund the gravy train of the association governing it. What's your point?
flollo wrote:Ok, every other sport is played to fund the gravy train of the association governing it. What's your point?
I answered your question...you put a ? at the end.... not making a point.
bonza wrote:comparing current hardcore islamic regimes (e.g. Wahhabism ideology, taliban rule) to Australia or western democracies is non-sensical. Past or present. Not discounting the mass murder and mayhem inflicted on our indigenous nations.
rose tinted glasses with a dose of anti-west delusion if you think the arabs weren't murdering, enslaving africans, and killing everyone in their path in the name of allah.
Agree with you on this one, but i still like how gsco is willing to think outside the box and bring forward ideas that aren't popular opinions and make us think of things differently for a second or two.
sympathetic islamic anti-west sympathy is very popular with the woke. see what i did there gsco.
just taking the piss - settle down
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Martin Niemöller
Then they came for the surfers
And I did not speak out
Because that meant more waves for me.
...
An ultra cynic might suggest it’s to find a point of differentiation in the competition for sponsorship dollars. If everyone takes a knee then how does a knee-taker stand out?
“I can dribble a ball and I’m soooo sensitive to the cruelty of man!”
Sing it!
I never thought you'd be a Wokie because virtue signalling is so passe.
But today, if you think that I don't know about social media and how how it relates
You're insane, or you're a fool who hasn't paid attention to a word that I say.
In a way, I can't help but feel responsible, I always knew that you were insane
Cause you’re plain, but I never thought you'd be a Wokie because virtue signalling is so passe, hey.
Virtue signalling is so passe, hey.
Virtue signalling is so passe, hey, hey.
Aaaah
So passe nowadays.
You never thought you'd get addicted, just be cooler in an obvious way
I could say, shouldn't you have got a couple piercings and decided maybe that you were gay,
In a way, I can't help but feel responsible, I always knew that you were insane
Cause you’re plain , but I never thought you'd be a Wokie because virtue signalling is so passe, hey.
Virtue signalling is so passe, hey.
"“Protecting the health, safety, security, and dignity of every worker contributing to this World Cup is our priority.”
oh really?
"The Qatari committee highlighted reforms on construction site safety and labour conditions that have been carried out in the past five years amid reports at least 6,500 workers have died while building Qatar’s World Cup stadiums."
6,500 workers!
I think that's what you could call a pretty low range priority...
6,500... how ya like that score football fans?
(care factor low i suspect - but you go you socceroos and all that!)
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/qatars-subtle-australia-dig-in-re...
Is 6500 dead a lot for building a footy field?
not in qatar
not for fifa
they put reforms in place and improved health and safety so the death toll wouldn't be excessive
we should all be grateful for such forsight...
Socceroos can say whatever they want. It's always good to put things up for debate. Just remember one thing; when you are questioning the morality of a country whose values are based on Islam you are not just targeting that country itself, you are targeting the Muslim world. Those who have an understanding or direct experience of the Muslim world would know that many Muslims put their principles ahead of the boundaries they live within.
So don't expect any sympathy from some World Cup participants like Saudi Arabia or Iran. They should have a voice as well. And it will be very contrarian to whatever you are trying to do and no one gives you the right to bury it. And also, you probably gave extra fire to your direct opponents in the group stage - Tunisia.
And for those questioning the World Cup in Qatar - I am unhappy with it but not for the reasons mentioned here. I most definitely support a World Cup event for Maghreb/North Africa/Middle East region. They've given so much to the game and the soccer culture they have is unbelievable. I will never forget the low-tide soccer beach sessions with locals in Morocco. It was so competitive and relentless; games were played every single day. Was Qatar the best solution? I don't know. Many are saying that Socceroos have the right to protest now due to the profile of the event as more people will get the message. That is fine. But also, applying that logic, the Muslim world deserves a shot at organising the World Cup so they show the world what they are capable of.
6,500 workers dead during construction that's absolutely insane.
Although looking into it a bit deeper, its not just the stadium its workers for all kind of projects over ten years.
And
“Natural death” is the most commonly listed cause of death, including 80% of Indian deaths. Several reports have indicated most worker deaths are a result of extreme summer temperatures, which routinely hit 120 degrees and average 113 degrees for several months. Road accidents, workplace accidents and suicide are among the other most-cited causes of death."
But i dont expect that natural death figure would be accurate either.
not targeting the muslim world at all...
just a certain muslim world... made up of a few nations, that seem to have no moral compass whatsoever
I'd love to see the world cup in morroco, or indonesia, or any number of places...
places where the soccer culture is amazing and so so genuine, as you say, but it will never happen...
because in contemporary culture big shiney things trump everything...
especially for terminally corrupted people like those who run fifa
stunet wrote:Then they came for the surfers
And I did not speak out
Because that meant more waves for me.
Alternatively...
Then they came for the surfers
And I spoke about waves
I sent them in the wrong direction
Roadkill wrote:garyg1412 wrote:Maybe get some tips from New Zealand about disrupting a few games. Maybe even rent a Cessna or two off Air Qatar.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/flour-bomb-test-ends-springbok-tourNo way... that's amazing. Direct hit from a Cessna overflying a stadium on a moving player... never heard of that... that is excellence in aiming!
I was at this test match...amazing piece of history to have seen live.
Good old Victorian taxpayer to the rescue, @indo will love this!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/31/victorian-government-to-sp...
flollo wrote:Good old Victorian taxpayer to the rescue, @indo will love this!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/31/victorian-government-to-sp...
Dan Andrews has also said uncapped parental visas for immigrants are the right thing to do! Glad he can be so generous with tax payer money in his pursuit of the immigrant vote to shore up his personal career.
That promise will cost the state and nation billions upon billions of dollars whilst simultaneously crash loading his already failing health system. Looks like federal ALP plans to back him on it.
Good on you Dan….ya dickhead.
Not sure how that importing thousands of decrepit oldies ties in with the (fraudulent) line that immigration is necessary to prevent ageing of the population?
Who cares…..Death stare grannies for everyone!
I only saw that five minutes ago and seriously im still fuming, Victoria is in more debt than Tas, SA, WA, NT combined with a higher debt than even NSW, just had floods and he is throwing millions at some netball team.
It's seriously depressing and many Victorians (City crew) will see this as a good move, it like Dan to the rescue, there's people who even thought he did well during Covid.
I feel like we are in this cult or abusive relationship were we just get abused but somehow it makes people like him more.
And i honestly dont like Matthew Guy, but there comes a point sometimes where you just have to vote people out no matter the alternative.
One of Dan Andrews most endearing qualities is his ability to do just enough to trigger the right wing cookers.
indo-dreaming wrote:And i honestly dont like Matthew Guy, but there comes a point sometimes where you just have to vote people out no matter the alternative.
None of the after-preference winners are worth it, so the alternative is getting artistic.
adam12 wrote:One of Dan Andrews most endearing qualities is his ability to do just enough to trigger the right wing cookers.
Gold
indo-dreaming wrote:I only saw that five minutes ago and seriously im still fuming, Victoria is in more debt than Tas, SA, WA, NT combined with a higher debt than even NSW, just had floods and he is throwing millions at some netball team.
What's your take on surf event funding then? As well as being a major partner for Surfing Victoria, the state government has provided financial support to the Rip Curl Pro, Rip Curl Pro Trials , Phillip Island Pro, Australian Indigenous Surfing Titles, Victorian Longboard Titles, Victorian Indigenous Surfing Program and Victorian Master's Titles.
Is it netball you're against, or just funding of any sport? I can't be arsed looking back much further, however I can see that in 2011, Liberal leader Ted Baillieu - then in power - supported extending the government's support of the Rip Curl Pro by another three years.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/vic-govt-pledges-support-for-rip-curl-pr...
(for the record, SMH quoted him as saying: "This is an event that is going from strength to strength and with global television audiences of more than 200 million and an innovative webcast to more than a million eager fans, it really showcases the breathtaking Great Ocean Road region to the world.")
I'd be more worried about this than the pissy 15 mil. indod...
"Dan Andrews has also said uncapped parental visas for immigrants are the right thing to do! Glad he can be so generous with tax payer money in his pursuit of the immigrant vote to shore up his personal career."
fucken mindless... a blow out cost well well beyond $15 mil... and damaging for decades and decades to come....
the netball thingy is just sad and pathetic, someone else would have bailed em out eventually... shouldn't be the role of government...
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GuySmiley wrote:adam12 wrote:One of Dan Andrews most endearing qualities is his ability to do just enough to trigger the right wing cookers.
Gold
Hmmm…no offence Adam but your assessment of others as “right wing cookers” leaves as much to be desired as virtually every opinion of yours I’ve ever read.
Interested to know how you think importing decrepit foreigners at immense financial burden to Australians is in any way beneficial to anyone besides their immigrant offspring.
Billions and billions per year for what return?
It’s vote buying, nothing less. There is no gain for existing Australians to be found in this. It’s sports rorts times infinity as the cost to taxpayers never ends and extends far beyond purely financial expense.
Blowin. if you think I want to get into a debate about immigration policy with a qualified carpenter on a surfing website you got the wrong guy. Sorry you took offense at a comment made about no one in particular, for the record having read a lot of your work over a period of time on a range of issues I would describe you as beyond cooked, more like the sausage no one wants that gets left on the barby and you find it still on the grill the next morning but wouldn't even give it to the dog because it's just...soot.
thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:I only saw that five minutes ago and seriously im still fuming, Victoria is in more debt than Tas, SA, WA, NT combined with a higher debt than even NSW, just had floods and he is throwing millions at some netball team.
What's your take on surf event funding then? As well as being a major partner for Surfing Victoria, the state government has provided financial support to the Rip Curl Pro, Rip Curl Pro Trials , Phillip Island Pro, Australian Indigenous Surfing Titles, Victorian Longboard Titles, Victorian Indigenous Surfing Program and Victorian Master's Titles.
Is it netball you're against, or just funding of any sport? I can't be arsed looking back much further, however I can see that in 2011, Liberal leader Ted Baillieu - then in power - supported extending the government's support of the Rip Curl Pro by another three years.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/vic-govt-pledges-support-for-rip-curl-pr...
(for the record, SMH quoted him as saying: "This is an event that is going from strength to strength and with global television audiences of more than 200 million and an innovative webcast to more than a million eager fans, it really showcases the breathtaking Great Ocean Road region to the world.")
Government money going to fund any surfing comps at any level, I despise with a passion.
In a perfect world no government money would go to sport, but i get that there is reasons for doing so economical and to encourage people to get active ect.
Id limit it to help with sporting facilities and for funding of programs aimed at school aged kids like Oz kick.
This sponsorship move by Dan is obviously politically motivated before the election trying to be some saviour.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:GuySmiley wrote:adam12 wrote:One of Dan Andrews most endearing qualities is his ability to do just enough to trigger the right wing cookers.
Gold
Hmmm…no offence Adam but your assessment of others as “right wing cookers” leaves as much to be desired as virtually every opinion of yours I’ve ever read.
Interested to know how you think importing decrepit foreigners at immense financial burden to Australians is in any way beneficial to anyone besides their immigrant offspring.
Billions and billions per year for what return?
It’s vote buying, nothing less. There is no gain for existing Australians to be found in this. It’s sports rorts times infinity as the cost to taxpayers never ends and extends far beyond purely financial expense.
Yep the people that's I've met that despise him with a passion are just everyday people, young and old white and of colour.
…. white and of colour
WTFruitcake
Some reality dodging going on around here. The view on the latest polling.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/10/29/resolve-strategic-59-41-in-victoria/
GuySmiley wrote:…. white and of colour
WTFruitcake
The stereotype that people like you and Adam always throw out about views that you dont agree with, i assume to devalue their view somehow, like those strongly opposed to Dan Andrews or another good example was the whole freedom crowd, is "they are all right wing nutters, and all or mostly white men"
It's important to break down these stereotypes as they are almost always completely untrue, although even when evidence is provided for example footage of rallies showing the whole crowd streaming past showing a very diverse crowd of people at these rallies, you still couldn't accept reality and still stuck to your default stereotype.
So yeah thats why its important to mention these things.
"There's no need for the political divisiveness and sensationalism that Peter Dutton and Senator Jacinta Price are trying to lead here": Marcia Langton responds to Peter Dutton's calls for a royal commission into the sexual abuse of Indigenous children. #abc730 pic.twitter.com/XCQzagwJj4
— abc730 (@abc730) October 31, 2022
blackers wrote:Some reality dodging going on around here. The view on the latest polling.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/10/29/resolve-strategic-59-41-in-victoria/
Cant see where anyone mentioned he won't be voted back in????
We live in Victoria, just like North QLD is the conservative hotspot in Australia, Melbourne is the left/woke/latte drinking hot spot of Australia
And yeah it is crazy, despite the fact.
Dan completely dropped the ball time after time during covid, seeing us get the highest infection rate and deaths during covid.(by no small margin )
And longest lockdowns in the world....(THE WORLD, not just Australia)
Numerous corruption issues and investigations (oh i can't remember )
The highest debt of all Australian states, larger than Tas, SA, WA., NT combined
And and long list of screw ups.
Sadly many will re vote for him, it wouldn't happen in any other state, anywhere else he would be gone in a heart beat even possibly have gotten the boot during covid.
That said LNP need to take some responsibility, there basically is no opposition in Victoria and Mathew Guy is unlikable and a poor opposition leader, they have so much they could grill Dan on but just dont use it to their advantage as they should.
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1587009186398879749?s=46&t=1hLmTPgIPsN...
Peter Dutton is a nasty piece of work indeed.
Thankfully decent Australians realise this and he is un-electable. May he be opposition leader for a long time.
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1587009186398879749?s=46&t=1hLmTPgIPsN...
Si
Peter Dutton is a nasty piece of work indeed.
Thankfully decent Australians realise this and he is un-electable. May he be opposition leader for a long time.
Since when did spud become so concerned with the abuse of Indigenous Australians ? Is this the new spud that has compassion and empathy for children ?
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1587009186398879749?s=46&t=1hLmTPgIPsN...
Si
Peter Dutton is a nasty piece of work indeed.
Thankfully decent Australians realise this and he is un-electable. May he be opposition leader for a long time.Since when did spud become so concerned with the abuse of Indigenous Australians ? Is this the new spud that has compassion and empathy for children ?
Anything to create division, he will pursue.... Geez his budget reply was pathetic, going on about education and nuclear power. Again picking culture wars that most Australians have moved on from. His 7.30 interview was a train wreck.
On side note, wonder what the repercussions will be for Ministers that over looked the Robodebt tragedy? They knew it was illegal and knew people were taking their own lives as a result of illegal debt notifications.
Disgusting.
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/abc730/status/1587009186398879749?s=46&t=1hLmTPgIPsN...
Si
Peter Dutton is a nasty piece of work indeed.
Thankfully decent Australians realise this and he is un-electable. May he be opposition leader for a long time.Since when did spud become so concerned with the abuse of Indigenous Australians ? Is this the new spud that has compassion and empathy for children ?
Anything to create division, he will pursue.... Geez his budget reply was pathetic, going on about education and nuclear power. Again picking culture wars that most Australians have moved on from. His 7.30 interview was a train wreck.
On side note, wonder what the repercussions will be for Ministers that over looked the Robodebt tragedy? They knew it was illegal and knew people were taking their own lives as a result of illegal debt notifications.
Disgusting.
You reckon people won’t be taking their own lives under the ALP’s assault on Australian living standards? Families will be going to the wall under conditions controlled and imposed by the current government. This financial pressure will break up families, ruin lives and kill people.
Mate if Australia was a road train, the LNP drove it down a small one way narrow street, crashed into a tree at the end of street and took out a house, got out and threw the keys in a near by creek. Now you expect Labor to turn the road train around and get it back on open highway in less than a year???
Yeah let’s bring back the COALalition now, all is forgiven, bring back the #bettermoneymanagers
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.