Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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Robwilliams Monday, 14 Feb 2022 at 6:46pm
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Robwilliams Monday, 14 Feb 2022 at 6:58pm

tim going for it

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Robwilliams Monday, 14 Feb 2022 at 7:45pm

limp wrist does your daddy know?

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bonza Friday, 18 Feb 2022 at 11:51am

Confronting State Capture by the Australian Democracy Network.
I haven't read this in full yet but its makes for some good reading so far. Co-authored by Scott Ludlum so many will pan it. mostly targets the defence and fossil fuel cronyism:

“Of the 38 current and former politicians with employment links to the fossil fuel industry, 20 are or were Liberal politicians, 13 were Labor politicians, and five are or were National politicians”.

heres a covid one purely for clickbait:

"In return, according to 350 Australia, the gas industry has been offered between $1.4 and $2 billion in
new public money from the Morrison Government’s ‘gas-led recovery’ from the pandemic, with even
more foreshadowed for new pipelines across the country."
https://350.org.au/exposing-the-covid-19-commission/

and remember this pearler from Tony Abbbott on Ian Macfarlane who went to on be CEO of the Queensland Resources Council. I remember vomiting in my mouth at the time

“This was the job-destroying, investment-killing tax which did not raise any revenue. It was a magnificent achievement by the member for Groom in his time as minister reborn, as it were. I hope this sector will acknowledge and demonstrate their gratitude to him in his years of retirement from this place.”

https://australiandemocracy.org.au/statecapture

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Blowin Friday, 25 Feb 2022 at 8:11pm

And this is why I no longer subscribe to these bastards. Too many lies.

Friendly Jordies is approaching living legend status

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Supafreak Saturday, 26 Feb 2022 at 6:09pm
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indo-dreaming Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 8:05am
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Abc news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-02/why-money-in-5-billion-disaster-f...

Interesting read, makes sense and smart way of doing things.

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blackers Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 6:42pm
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Abc news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-02/why-money-in-5-billion-disaster-f...

So it is not really for disaster relief, more just like a savings account. Useful for when those car parks need to be built. Why limit the expenditure, surely it is needed when it's needed? And then not to have spent any of it? For f sake.

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frog Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 6:49pm

Scomo is praying hard (again) for those affected.

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batfink Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 8:41pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
Robwilliams wrote:

Abc news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-02/why-money-in-5-billion-disaster-f...

Interesting read, makes sense and smart way of doing things.

Oh FFS Indo, you'll make any excuse for these numpties.

That 'disaster fund' was supposed to help out people from the fires in July 19 through to February 20. Do you remember those? I do, because ScoMo sold this as his government's response to the bushfires. Since then we've had a once in a billion year fire, three once in a trillion year floods, and all you can say is 'makes sense and a smart way of doing things'.

Really? Really! At what point would you actually release the funds (other than just before the next election). Honestly mate, make an effort to not appear like a total brain dead LNP droog, just so we can give your comments some benefit of the doubt.

Fark me! You have to be kidding, right. Surely. Tell me that was a post just to wind me up.

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Supafreak Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 8:52pm

Hows dutton’s “ go fund me “ going for the Qld flood victims ? Has the Red Cross and other orgs started passing the hat around again yet ? They raised a fair quid last time, pity it didn’t get passed on to the bushfire victims, think they were saving it for a rainy day , well , it’s raining.

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batfink Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 9:25pm

Dutton copped quite a serve, apparently, from the Twitterati, pointing out the fact that 'hey, aren't you in the government. why aren't you sorting this out.'

Now, I'm not a member of the twitterati, but they got this right. He is a fool's fool, the capo do tutti capi fool, the big cheese fool, the chief fool, the head honcho fool, the numero uno fool, the grand poobah fool. Hmmm, must be more.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 9:58pm

"Fark me! You have to be kidding, right. Surely. Tell me that was a post just to wind me up."

But, but...that would be 'trolling', wouldn't it, BF?

Surely not!

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 3 Mar 2022 at 10:00pm

And isn't Duttz the LNPs PM-in-waiting?

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indo-dreaming Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 10:31am
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indo-dreaming wrote:
Robwilliams wrote:

Abc news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-02/why-money-in-5-billion-disaster-f...

Interesting read, makes sense and smart way of doing things.

Oh FFS Indo, you'll make any excuse for these numpties.

That 'disaster fund' was supposed to help out people from the fires in July 19 through to February 20. Do you remember those? I do, because ScoMo sold this as his government's response to the bushfires. Since then we've had a once in a billion year fire, three once in a trillion year floods, and all you can say is 'makes sense and a smart way of doing things'.

Really? Really! At what point would you actually release the funds (other than just before the next election). Honestly mate, make an effort to not appear like a total brain dead LNP droog, just so we can give your comments some benefit of the doubt.

Fark me! You have to be kidding, right. Surely. Tell me that was a post just to wind me up.

Look Batfink, im not going to argue with you, you have shown time and time again to have a marxist/socialist/communist view point, one that lacks common sense.

This is common sense:

"That's why about four years ago the federal government set aside roughly $4 billion for the Emergency Response Fund (ERF).

All that money would be invested, and the returns used to provide tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars a year to both respond to disasters and mitigate future ones.

At the end of last year, that investment had returned the best part of a billion dollars."

Instead of blowing all that money in one go, it's invested to provide a much better ongoing return to provide funds for a variety of natural disasters.

All that said people also need to move away from a view point of always thinking the government is going to bail them out, if you buy smack bang on the beach, expect erosion dont expect the government to build a big erosion control wall, if you buy in Cairns or Darwin etc expect to one day be hit by a cyclone, if you buy in an area near a river or flood plain expect to one day be flooded, if you buy in an area surrounded by bush expect to one day be hit by fire, same deal with having huge trees right next to your house if you dont cut them down expect one day a storm will topple it on your house.

If you want to roll the dice with these things, take out very expensive insurance for these things and be clever in how you build.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 20 Mar 2022 at 11:31am

Abc news
Is the profitable business of labour hire being questioned at its core?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-03-20/farm-worker-labour-hire-ded...

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 26 Mar 2022 at 5:55pm

Very concerning development:

https://twitter.com/AnnaPowles?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506845794728837120%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.9news.com.au%2Fworld%2Fchina-news-leaked-document-reveals-draft-security-deal-to-allow-chinese-military-on-solomon-islands%2Fdf32c7e8-1d67-41ec-8664-597ef9bd9a34

Now, who was last to try to break the sea-lane link USWestCoast/Pearl/Brisbane?

Tho, further from home, further extended, more risk for them...

Edit: move fits in line with authoritarian regimes expanding their influence where they can, Russia in Ukraine being the most overt example presently. It seems the democracies at some point are going to have to make a choice and confront this, feels like the ball is rolling now.

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Supafreak Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 8:38am

In 2013 oil was $110 USD a barrel and petrol in Australia was $1.50 AUD a litre , today oil is $107 USD a barrel and petrol is $2.29 AUD a litre . Can someone explain this to me please .

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oxrox Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 9:14am
Supafreak wrote:

In 2013 oil was $110 USD a barrel and petrol in Australia was $1.50 AUD a litre , today oil is $107 USD a barrel and petrol is $2.29 AUD a litre . Can someone explain this to me please .

Me too.

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oxrox Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 9:14am
Supafreak wrote:

In 2013 oil was $110 USD a barrel and petrol in Australia was $1.50 AUD a litre , today oil is $107 USD a barrel and petrol is $2.29 AUD a litre . Can someone explain this to me please .

Me too.

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garyg1412 Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 9:14am

Supafreak back in 2013 we were getting 25% more bang for our buck against the USD

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garyg1412 Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 9:17am

And one of the major oil suppliers back then hadn't embarked on their Ukrainian crusade yet as well.

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soggydog Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 9:32am
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And one of the major oil suppliers back then hadn't embarked on their Ukrainian crusade yet as well.

Russia is about 10% of the supply, rite? How is that going to cause a 35%-50% hike. Even with 25% reduced capacity of the dollar au. Disaster capitalism?

Ukraine being a marketing opportunity more so than a logistics problem.

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Supafreak Friday, 1 Apr 2022 at 10:40am
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Supafreak back in 2013 we were getting 25% more bang for our buck against the USD

Ok thanks GG I should have looked at exchange rate for 2013 first , 97 cents

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garyg1412 Friday, 8 Apr 2022 at 2:17pm
Supafreak wrote:
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Supafreak back in 2013 we were getting 25% more bang for our buck against the USD

Ok thanks GG I should have looked at exchange rate for 2013 first , 97 cents

Supafreak when it hits 97 cents again buy yourself an Isurus wetsuit :)

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Supafreak Friday, 8 Apr 2022 at 2:52pm
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Supafreak back in 2013 we were getting 25% more bang for our buck against the USD

Ok thanks GG I should have looked at exchange rate for 2013 first , 97 cents

Supafreak when it hits 97 cents again buy yourself an Isurus wetsuit :)

I will be living back in indo by the time it’s 97cents again, I’ve got a short sleeved hyperfreak 2mill , does the job , very impressed with how far wetsuits have come , didn’t need one for 12 years.

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batfink Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 4:57pm
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Look Batfink, im not going to argue with you, you have shown time and time again to have a marxist/socialist/communist view point, one that lacks common sense.

This is common sense:

"That's why about four years ago the federal government set aside roughly $4 billion for the Emergency Response Fund (ERF).

All that money would be invested, and the returns used to provide tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars a year to both respond to disasters and mitigate future ones.

At the end of last year, that investment had returned the best part of a billion dollars."

Instead of blowing all that money in one go, it's invested to provide a much better ongoing return to provide funds for a variety of natural disasters..

You’re not going to argue with me, and then you did. Well, you tried anyway, consistent at least.

Marxist/Socialist/Communist!! Little old me? You praise me unjustly there Indo. Worse still, you think those are terms of abuse rather than descriptions of a political philosophy. Worse again, you have no idea what the terms mean. Like ‘woke’, they just mean something in your head, something that nobody else understands or has insight to.

If we are going to be talking about politically closed minds, you are top of the tree. Numero uno, the big cheese, the top dog, the big kahuna.

As for this ‘investment’ that has made nearly a billion dollars (fudging there, but you’re a liberal, so outright exaggeration is quite ok). Are you aware that when Morrison put this forward as his ‘announceable’ (because that’s what he does, all announcement, no follow through, except at Engadine Maccas) he described it as a fund to meet emergencies and rebuild communities in the political heat of the moment. He didn’t announce a fund to go to investments that would one day make some money that might, or might not, ever be spent on said communities.

And what do you think of governments creating money to investment in private markets? You free market, no role for government guys should be off the hook about that, but consistency or analysis isn’t your game. Are you aware that the government borrowed the money to put it in this fund, and they are paying interest on that?

You’re a cheerleader Indo, pom-poms and all. There isn’t common sense, there isn’t analysis, there isn’t any real idea how governments work. You’re a shill, an empty suit. In that sense you have found your home in the liberal party.

As for my politics, I’m certainly not a communist (even in whatever sense of the word your mind interprets that).

There is no party that represents my political philosophy, but for what it’s worth, the period of greatest economic expansion was the post war years where govts in all western countries were hands-on market socialist economies.

Just the facts.

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batfink Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 5:00pm

Of course you’re not going to argue with me, because you can’t do it. You don’t debate, you don’t argue, you just spiel LNP talking points and say ‘these are the facts’, and tell everyone else that what they are doing ‘is not common sense’.

You’re an automaton, a wind-up LNP talking points repeater.

You were a young liberal at uni, weren’t you Indo.

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andy-mac Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 5:28pm
batfink wrote:
Indo-dreaming wrote:

Look Batfink, im not going to argue with you, you have shown time and time again to have a marxist/socialist/communist view point, one that lacks common sense.

This is common sense:

"That's why about four years ago the federal government set aside roughly $4 billion for the Emergency Response Fund (ERF).

All that money would be invested, and the returns used to provide tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars a year to both respond to disasters and mitigate future ones.

At the end of last year, that investment had returned the best part of a billion dollars."

Instead of blowing all that money in one go, it's invested to provide a much better ongoing return to provide funds for a variety of natural disasters..

You’re not going to argue with me, and then you did. Well, you tried anyway, consistent at least.

Marxist/Socialist/Communist!! Little old me? You praise me unjustly there Indo. Worse still, you think those are terms of abuse rather than descriptions of a political philosophy. Worse again, you have no idea what the terms mean. Like ‘woke’, they just mean something in your head, something that nobody else understands or has insight to.

If we are going to be talking about politically closed minds, you are top of the tree. Numero uno, the big cheese, the top dog, the big kahuna.

As for this ‘investment’ that has made nearly a billion dollars (fudging there, but you’re a liberal, so outright exaggeration is quite ok). Are you aware that when Morrison put this forward as his ‘announceable’ (because that’s what he does, all announcement, no follow through, except at Engadine Maccas) he described it as a fund to meet emergencies and rebuild communities in the political heat of the moment. He didn’t announce a fund to go to investments that would one day make some money that might, or might not, ever be spent on said communities.

And what do you think of governments creating money to investment in private markets? You free market, no role for government guys should be off the hook about that, but consistency or analysis isn’t your game. Are you aware that the government borrowed the money to put it in this fund, and they are paying interest on that?

You’re a cheerleader Indo, pom-poms and all. There isn’t common sense, there isn’t analysis, there isn’t any real idea how governments work. You’re a shill, an empty suit. In that sense you have found your home in the liberal party.

As for my politics, I’m certainly not a communist (even in whatever sense of the word your mind interprets that).

There is no party that represents my political philosophy, but for what it’s worth, the period of greatest economic expansion was the post war years where govts in all western countries were hands-on market socialist economies.

Just the facts.

+1
Good comment.

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Supafreak Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 5:45pm

WOW , I’ve butted heads with Batfink a few times but that was a pretty awesome summary.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 5:47pm
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You were a young liberal at uni, weren’t you Indo.

Ha ha are you just trying to wind me up, as if i went to Uni, i was a dole bulging surfer bum, barely anyone i knew went to uni and the few that did either dropped out or never used their arts degree.

Ive said it numerous times before my voting history, Greens-Labor-indepedents-this time will be the first time i vote LNP.

BTW. the very fact you think Marxism/Communism/Socialism are in anyway positive ideals is scary and a real problem these days generally among the young though that don't know the dark history of these ideologies..

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 5:52pm

Actually Batfink, can we do that one? Can we compare the rates of growth Western nations postwar, with that of the last peak of free-trade, hard-money globalism leading up to 1914. but more specifically 1905? Which datasets would do?

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blackers Sunday, 10 Apr 2022 at 9:30pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
batfink wrote:

You were a young liberal at uni, weren’t you Indo.

Ha ha are you just trying to wind me up, as if i went to Uni, i was a dole bulging surfer bum, barely anyone i knew went to uni and the few that did either dropped out or never used their arts degree.

Ive said it numerous times before my voting history, Greens-Labor-indepedents-this time will be the first time i vote LNP.

BTW. the very fact you think Marxism/Communism/Socialism are in anyway positive ideals is scary and a real problem these days generally among the young though that don't know the dark history of these ideologies..

Haha, the very thought of you going to uni, Indo. Nothing you have ever posted shows even the remotest evidence of that. You may be late to the LNP party but you have the full on zeal of the newly converted. Carry on.

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GuySmiley Monday, 11 Apr 2022 at 5:58pm

I reckon the learning curve was short and steep before stalling all together or to put it another way is that 15 years experience he has or 1 years experience experienced 15 times over?

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blackers Monday, 11 Apr 2022 at 7:28pm

Hardly matters Guy, same old same old. Could never understand why the crew of the Minnow and guests could never get off that island. That professor fellow was pretty sharp, and Thurston Howell was as rich as Croesus apparently. Perpetual groundhog day.

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seeds Sunday, 17 Apr 2022 at 5:06pm

ABC being a bit timid?

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garyg1412 Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 2:21pm
velocityjohnno wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/can-lake-pedder-be-restored/10103...

Bit of a Catch 22 when you look at the place nowadays and the raw beauty that is the South West Conservation Area.
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I suppose the question is if they drain it will it return to it's former beauty!! Probably should have been left alone in the first place.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 7:00pm

To drain it would leave a lot of lake bed currently. How it would re-vegetate? Dunno

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 7:01pm

Aussie consumer confidence:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2022/05/aussie-consumer-confidences-plu...

down, down under it's average since December 2021. Plumbing for the April 2020 low.

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blackers Wednesday, 25 May 2022 at 9:51pm

Nothing to be learned, just a hatchett job on Scotty.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/drive/liberal-mp-alan-tu...