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From that last link:
“Sullivan witnessed the death of protester Ashli Babbitt, who was shot and killed by a Capitol security officer after attempting to enter a wing of the building where numerous lawmakers were hiding.“

Subterfuge

https://mobile.twitter.com/barronjohn1946?s=09&fbclid=IwAR3fqAb2vLD6yhBt...

QAnon is a Fox Simpson Figurine from Tree House of Horror.
Most likely Rupert's Page 3 Topless Male Model (Revenge Porn on Trump.)

Here's the frames from the Simpson's episode / cue -[ 0:22 - 0:29 ]

Mighty Moose Uses his 3rd eye to travel thru dimensions fighting Pedos (His Words!)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13676847/qanon-shaman-jake-angeli-capitol/

Rep' pollies edited out his Q placards to set him up as a loon from [ ANTIFA ]
This upset #1 Republican fan Q.

QAnon is very good at social distancing...no one comes within a mile of Mr Shouty!

This is Q gang..(Ultra right Ultra right)
https://sites.imsa.edu/acronym/files/2020/09/102801077_q-777x437.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

I think in both cases BLM & Capitol it's plausible that there could be ‘agents provocateurs’ on both sides, but also agree that in both cases these situations would have most likely still happened.

Yeah for sure shooting that women i expect stopped others, but it was a crazy over the top response, why not just tasser her instead or tear gas the crowd or if they weren't prepared with tassers or tear gas, why not even just shoot her in the arm or leg? or some warning shots first? it's not like she is armed pointing a gun at him which is completely different scenario.

Noting there is even police/security behind her.

Found the full footage you can see how close he is maybe 2 metres max and how much time he has to make a decision and get a good shot and in the background in other doorways you can see more security with guns.

It will start at shooting scene automatically but this video is good has everything before and after.

BTW. Interesting there is even a crazy trump supporter of colour right there too.

Willie shot is photoshopped..

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/01/08/the-simpsons-willie-capitol/

I've been keeping out of this as I have my own thoughts but I was disgusted at the hatchet job news.com.au tried to do on that lady soon after her death. Bringing up her so called 'criminal' past which amounted to basically nothing and no charge ever stuck and she was never prosecuted over anything. I'd provide a link but it looks like they've pulled the article. Regardless of her political leaning she was an unarmed woman shot at point blank range. The body wasn't even cold and the media were trying to portray her as some kind of terrorist when truth be told, she was no more than a Trump zealot full of hot air, no different to the people she opposed. She didn't deserve to lose her life that way, especially for Trump but to see how her death was diminished and her character assassinated as some sort of moral justification plumbed a new low in journalism for me.

The gutless journalist didn't even have the courage to put their name to it.

Some remarkable things going on at present in the US.

Looks like they are trying to make the Capitol into a Reichstag fire: impeachment proceedings are being drafted. Even with only a few days left of his presidency.

Big tech is going full burning of the books:

reddit bans r/Donald Trump
Twitch bans Trump
Snapchat bans Trump
Shopify takes down two online stores related to Trump
FB & Insta banned Trump
Twitter bans Trump
FB removes 'Walk away' (from Democrats) page
Lehigh University revokes degree given to Trump in 1988
Twitter suspends Flynn and Powell
Apple threatens to remove Parler from its Ap store
Google suspends Parler from its store
Trump uses official POTUS twitter account:

"Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my accounts from their platform to silence me - and YOU, the 75,000,000 great patriots who voted for me."

Post deleted.
Trump tweets with TeamTrump account, account gets suspended.
Attempt made with campaign digital directors account - account suspended

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cancel-crusade-reignites-reddit-bans...

None of this is really consistent with a Republic founded on free speech. Many other conservative views are being deleted, too. It's more like a witch hunt done by a theocracy. Obviously the solution is to have separate platforms for free speech. If legislation allows them to exist, that is, and if not, what kind of nation does that infer? I can't but help think that they are something beyond the Republic, much as Rome was after Caesar crossed that river. We are wise to remember Rome was strong for a long time after it became an Empire, too.

For mine, I liked Trump. He pointed out the imbalanced trade environment that eviscerated local manufacturing and destroyed millions of well-paid jobs, creating great hurt within America. He was very against the drug importation of things like Fentanyl. He tried to reboot the US as a nation, but faced a lot of resistance. There were no new big wars launched, and he tried to draw down troops on foreign station - unsuccessfully, as some in those in the departments resisted him. There were some things he didn't do well - the increase in the national debt weakened America further, and it was a massive increase. He put allies offside, and it will be crucial for Joe to rebuild these links. Did the wall get built? Did manufacturing come back in large-scale, for I think some certainly did? As a strong-borders candidate, he failed to put up unambiguous strong borders when they needed it most, during a pandemic. Many lives have been lost as a result. What I see now is America beyond-Republic facing off against communist China and us somewhere down below on the map.

The next couple of weeks are going to be crazy over there I think.

Found a couple of clips of the moment they stormed the Capitol building:

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698

https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1347657507007827968

They sell anything in America, and they wonder why their world is unravelling. Kamala Harris is right behind this as well and was one of the prosecutors against the whistleblowers.. Now she is vice president.

Vj what happened to the supposedly secure building ,as the protestors casually stroll thru the doors past a few cops.......like it was a set up or complete BS about how secure the building is supposed to be.........

This whole thing is ridiculous, it seems like high satire.

Optimist , that was unbelievably disturbing

And some.

Apparently according to this website the Capitol Police have an annual budget of... US$464m!
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article248...

Blowin, spot on. It's a big production, very obvious if you have half a brain.

Yeah crew, I wonder if the Boston Tea Partiers were just let onto the boat back in 1773?

Nice one VJ

I don't know the veracity of this , but it was reported (sorry, I can't remember where in all the 'excitement' and breathless reporting) that the DOJ offered FBI assistance to the Capitol Police and it was rejected!?

ALL Congress Men & Woman laptops have been seized. They were left behind when they evacuated. Sounds like a giant rat trap... Take down of Congress....?

Which half have you got shorto?

This all plays into the hands of triggering of the Insurrection Act to get the Military involved.

Hang on, so which party is currently in power?

This is totally bringing out the Prequels fan in me.

Hey Indo, they don’t use non-lethal means in those situations and no one trains to ‘shoot to wound’.

What makes you think that the cop (shooter) knew than Ashli Babbit was unarmed and did not represent a threat to the people he was supposed to protect? There’s footage of protestors carrying rifles in the Capitol. That would have been over the radio. How would he know the intent of the crew that have just smashed a window and are climbing over a barricade?

Sanguine - DOD offered support and it was refused.

The military etarip. 'Please Disperse Peacefully' or something to that effect was aired by Trump... As I understand it, this is one of the protocols to trigger. There are a series of protocols, which need to happen but ultimately there has to be a legitimate threat, which then facilitate the Military to take control of their civil system. Surely, the POTUS of the US being banned from his main communication pathway(s) has to be a legitimate threat...

POTUS has plenty of communications channels Shorto. The world would be ‘all ears’ if he called a press conference and fronted the media. Not just a pre-recorded statement.

When the likes of Twitter & FB start banning POTUS communication because they don't agree, there is a HUGE issue etarip.

zen - I agree that it’s super interesting that Fox (news.com) has flipped so hard on Trump and Trumpers.
Watching that clip was disturbing. She was cooked the moment she hit the floor. You can see it in her eyes. I’ve seen it more times than I’d like to have. In a few different circumstances.
Almost everytime I’ve thought: why? Was it worth it?
She was sold a lie, a foot soldier of a desperate and flailing loser.

My view, again. It’s more prosaic than most of the hyperbole (on both sides) would suggest. More cockup than conspiracy.
The protestors were like the dog that finally caught the car when they got in. Few would have expected it. And no one actually had a plan when they got there.
Security were wrong footed. Some would have assumed that it was easier to let them in, until they realised the extent of the damage and infiltration. Some would have assumed that it had been authorised at some level. And some would have made an assessment based on their own feelings of preservation. Others would have let their political sympathies guide their actions.

Shorto, when the POTUS lacks the humility and decency to accept the outcome of an election and dogwhistles his supporters to engage in acts of political violence, whilst pushing unproven and fallacious claims about fraud there is a HUGE issue.

Who you kidding bloke ?

The trained professionals stood back as one and allowed the bemused / surprised MAGA guppies to enter. They did this as one without confusion or hesitation. No looking at each other to confirm if they we’re making the right decision. There was no decision....the security staff and police were obviously told to let the protesters in. They opened the freaking doors for them !

If you and I had tried to walk into that building against the wishes of security anytime before that day we’d have been shot and no one would express surprise that it’d happened when they found out about it . . They’d expect us to get shot .

You know this to be true.

Etarip - You do realise that Trump NEVER encouraged his supporters to commit violence of any kind don’t you ? Trump expressly, explicitly and emphatically told his supporters to be peaceful.

There is no ambiguity in this . No grey area . No nudge and a wink.

Yet here you are parroting the “ dog whistle blood cry “ lie told to you by the MSM . Do you even realise that you are peddling lies when you repeat their lies ?

Who am I kidding? Not sure mate.

I think you’re overestimating the level of training of the Capitol Police rank and file, as well as the coherence of the response. Clearly in some areas doors were opened and in others there was violence.
I’ve already said I think that many of the cops were out of their depth. Go look at the video of Ashli Babbitt again.
Your capacity for faith in the ability of government to carry out a conspiracy of that magnitude is inspiring. You ever worked in or with government at any level?

Jesus mate. You know what a dog whistle is don’t you?

Jesus mate , you know what explicit and unambiguous means don’t you ?

His actions and conduct pre, during and post election have been totally unbecoming of a President. He’s consistently stoked racial divides, consistently promoted baseless claims of fraud, and consistently encouraged non-acceptance of the outcomes of a democratic election. Encouraging people to march on the Capitol to contest the validation of the electoral college vote is an act of political sabotage. Setting the wheels in motion for violent political protest is enough for me.

Yes blowie, those tweets were an act of self-preservation. Post-facto.

For sure I’m overestimating the training of the most secure building in the most professionally militaristic nation in world history.

They obviously weren’t told to keep people out.....FFS.

Seriously bloke , you should be embarrassed by the injustice your doing to your own intelligence by indulging these fantasies the MSM would have you believe.

(I don’t want to summons the facto... I shall not say it three times.)

Facto
Facto
Ffff fuck it. Can’t do it.

This is a reasonably civilized conversation.

I’m embarrassed by plenty. Lived on this earth for long enough to have made some spectacular fuckups. But I’m not embarrassed by my assessment of this.
What about you?

Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

Those tweets were prior to and during the event.

Irrespective of timeline they utterly contradict your claim that Trump wanted his supporters to commit any acts of violence .

Re: democratic election, explain how the blue line goes vertically up at night (counting stopped)

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61890

look at the picture, have you ever seen anything like this in an election? To me, that's the craziest curve I've seen.

Probably time to say our system is way better. Across the board. Yay for Westminster in spite of itself.

Etarip - You and I are discussing this with respect for each other despite differences of opinion. You are trying to convince me and I’m trying to convince you. The person with the most facts and credibility in their accounting of the situation will prevail and hopefully we will both be more enlightened as a result.

I am only guessing at what’s going down and attempting to provide reasoning behind my opinion. I might be completely wrong. Just telling you how I see things.

Really blowie? They ‘utterly contradict’ ‘my claim’ that he ‘wanted’ his supporters to be violent.
Not really. They’re a face saving measure.

I agree with you. We don’t need facto memes. Was being facetious. I respect the tenor of the debate. I don’t think you’re right, but I’m not sure that we’re actually arguing the same point.

Nothing personal. I’m not going to cry into my beer if you call me names. Tell you what; if this is actually the best hidden and organized ‘stolen election’ ever and is proven to be so I’ll buy you a carton of Coopers Red. If this was the best false flag Operation by who the fuck knows who, to achieve who the fuck knows what, in support of fuck knows what cause then I’ll buy you a keg.

Or maybe Don just lost an election and he’s a bit pissed?

A keg of Coopers red ?

You may as well just strap me into a jihadi suicide vest and send me out into a live minefield.

You’ve seen through my plan...

Just leave the keg behind and we'll drink a toast to your untimely demise.

ahh , 'Coopers sparkling ale , with it's famous cloudy sediment , and it's distinctive balance of malt , hops and fruity characters' .. excellent choice sir..