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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:01am

The whole “ insurrection “ was a premeditated plan to finally portray Trump as untenable and prevent him from running again or fomenting trouble for the DNC from the sidelines. It was a regular protest with Trump explicitly calling for a lawful, peaceful March on the capital and that’s what happened until the Anti Trump trap was closed.

Here’s footage of the “ insurrection “ being allowed to walk into the building. Some even remark that they think they’ll get locked in.

False flag / Reichstag

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=20

Frankly, I think if you believe otherwise you’re a bit of a dumb fck. Look at those people. They’re not staging a coup, they’re ordinary average crew staging a casual protest and one planted agent provocateur with zip ties doesn’t lend a hint of credibility to the “ insurrection “ fantasy / political theatre.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:00am

There really is no depth too low for you is there. You got your Q gear on today?

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:04am

Christina is a host on OAN. Here’s some background,

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:06am

Did you watch the above video bloke ?

Bit hard to explain the police and security opening the doors and stepping aside as the crowd flows past in an orderly fashion isn’t it ?

Oh , wait....you’re one of the crew who suddenly believed that “ Wuhan virus “ was racist because you were told to by the MSM aren’t you ? Yet you haven’t found the same hate crime in labelling the South African Mutation despite South Africa actually being a place where racism occurs....

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:07am

In Blowins reality Ben, that's a reliable source - it reinforces his beliefs and attacks those he hates, thus meeting all his criteria.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:08am

You didn't seem to have any trouble explaining it though did you Blowin.

'The whole “ insurrection “ was a premeditated plan to finally portray Trump as untenable and prevent him from running again or fomenting trouble for the DNC from the sidelines.'

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:10am

Ben.....did you watch the video bloke ?

You think Christina knocked it up using actors in her basement bloke ?

I understand you would rather attack the source than have to reconsider the propaganda you swallow like M & Ms but I’d like you to at least try.

There’s a reason you won’t see it on CNN . If you can’t figure out what that read is I’ll tell you...they’re complicit in the propaganda.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:23am

JQ - Look at the motives , the actions of the key players and its pretty freakin obvious if you’re not wedded to their lies.

It’s never been enough to just depose Trump, they have to remove him from from society completely as he would be just as powerful a voice outside of office. Can you imagine how Pelosi feels about the idea of. Trump News channel.....lol.

They’ve got to whack him in prison and ruin his name like they do in other undemocratic countries. Facebook banning him is just the start. Not a shred of evidence needed to begin the cancel / censorship.

What these retards fail to realise is that Trump is only a symptom and not the problem. The problem is the disenfranchisement of the voice of millions of people who’s economic ruination is unpalatable and not conducive to the continuation of business as usual for globalisation. That’s what they can’t stand about Trump ....he’s as much of an unrepentant greedy capitalist as any of them but he’s not a globalist and so he must go.

Someone else will rise up fill the role of anti globalisation crusader and if he is not a rambunctious fruit like Trump it’s going to be harder for them to destroy him with character slurs and laughable accusations of white supremacy.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:11am

You're a stunning hypocrite Blowin.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:19am

You have no idea of 'obvious' Blowin, you've long since departed from reality and ensconced yourself in a comfy alternate version where every snippet of information only reinforces your preexisting hatreds and biases, anything that might challenge it is dismissed axiomatically by squealing 'MSM'.

You're a shameless, gutless, coward. Too afraid to even mildly to reappraise your positions, preferring to construct an alternate set of facts.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:22am

JQ.....did you watch the video bloke ?

Or too busy insulting the messenger ?

You can’t get anymore obvious than watching it with your own eyes.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:24am

Yes I watched it Blowin, whoop dee doo. Doesn't prove squat.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:25am

Telling that this is level of proof you require (when it affirms your biases and hatreds) to prove a 'premeditated plan'.

Compare that to the level of proof you'd require to concede that Trump did incite this. Which I imagine is essentially an insurmountable hill.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:34am

“ 750 billion put into national defense every year and people honestly believe the center of American politics fell in 2 hours to a bunch of people with trump flags?”

Only the fckn idiots !

Doesn’t prove anything JQ ? The footage of police and security opening the doors and escorting strolling punters into the building doesn’t contradict the narrative that it was overrun by a violent mob with blood and insurrection on their minds ?

The SMH headline breathlessly screamed that it was a siege . Ben just post a link claiming that they intended taking hostages and staging a coup....FFS.

How far are you willing to extend credulity to suit a narrative you are fed by a political outfit which hasn’t shown a hint of genuine integrity for half a century plus ?

Hollywood calls it the “ suspension of disbelief “ and if you don’t think that video should cause you to even begin reconsidering the narrative you’ve been fed then you must have a hard time reconciling that Harry Potter is make believe.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:27am

Well that proves it!

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adam12 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:28am

New York Times reporting FBI found no evidence of Antifa in mob that breached Capitol Building.
Trump permanently cancelled on twitter.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:28am

Yeah, I watched the video. Buut I have no idea of the context - what time, what part of the building (which I'm not familiar with the layout either), etc etc, so its impossible to deduce anything from my computer screen.

How about this video?

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:30am

Seems like fake news to me Ben.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:32am

Here's the guy sleuthing the identities too. Fascinating reading.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:41am

Oh I see what your problem is now Ben.

You don’t realise that two truths can coexist at the same time .

What if it was possible that there was a handful of retardulent crew who wanted to cause shift and that there was ALSO a decision/ plan to allow crew into the building and then claim the whole thing had been overrun by violent insurrectionists ?

Bloke , if you can’t see how this is exactly the Reichstag fire reshot at the Capital building then you’re lost.

What context do you need to see the police casually standing aside snd allowing a bunch of unarmed punters stroll into a building and then at the same time declare that it was a violent intrusion ?

One of the punters even had his arm around his missus as he walked up the steps and she took photos ....surely the stuff of berserker militia.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:42am

The question you should be asking yourself Ben , is how could those retard punters even get near that window to break it ?

Again , I refer you to this statement as your answer :

“ 750 billion put into national defense every year and people honestly believe the center of American politics fell in 2 hours to a bunch of people with trump flags?”

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:47am

Hey Adam ! How you been bloke ?

You were one of the Justice Warriors who was cyber lynching the racists calling the Coronavirus “ Wuhan Flu “ weren’t you ?

You must be just about to type up a vengeful storm now that the MSM is talking about the UK mutation and the South African strain aren’t you ?

The humanity !

Lolololol.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:49am

I'm confused. On Thursday you said it was just a bunch of peaceful flag wavers, now you're claiming it was a "premeditated false flag operation to finally portray Trump as untenable and prevent him from running again or fomenting trouble for the DNC".

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:50am

Ben - What’s so fascinating about a muppet who’s been spoon fed a lie and who then goes on to act in exactly the manner as the propaganda dictates he act ? He’s just the fastest rat in the maze.

Just another useful idiot.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:54am

Blowin,

'What’s so fascinating about a muppet who’s been spoon fed a lie and who then goes on to act in exactly the manner as the propaganda dictates he act ?'

You do realise you're describing yourself here mate.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:55am

Ben....it’s both bloke.

It’s a bunch of mostly guppy gutted punters being allowed into the building and then the media acts like it’s a violent insurrection.

A siege !

Almost ( but not actually at all ) a hostage crises !

A few aggro fuckers amongst the bloated and elderly MAGA crowd , a few agent provocateurs in the mix , a whole lot of hyperbole and exaggeration and outright lies by the pundits and bingo ......fake insurrection.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:56am

Blowin,

Are you even capable of recognising how absurd your differing standards of proof and evidence are based on how favourably you view a certain person or event?

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 11:57am

'It’s a bunch of mostly guppy gutted punters being allowed into the building and then the media acts like it’s a violent insurrection.'

Perhaps you'd like to communicate this opinion to the family of the policeman who died after being assaulted by the MAGA mob?

Hang on, let me guess - Antifa?

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:03pm

Remember this Ben ?

You were caught up in the media bullshit so hard . You accompanied this utterly nothing tweet with the call “ Far out . It’s getting ugly in the US now ! “

Watch the video which accompanies the headline : “The Capital is being broken into ! We are under siege ! “

The video itself shows a pair of doors with people on the other side. Sounds like something hits the doors ( lightly) then the camera feed stops. What was not mentioned was the police escorting the strolling protesters into the building. Also does not show building being broken into or a siege at all. It’s a staged lie.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:04pm

Erm, I stand by my comment "Far out. It’s getting ugly in the US now".

Kinda end up being an ugly day for the US. In fact, one of their darkest moments.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:08pm

Did you watch the video Ben linked earlier Blowin, you know, with the MAGA mob smashing their way through a window and climbing through. I guess that's a staged lie.

If you weren't such an abject coward you'd be capable of walking back your previous, clearly incorrect statements as more information becomes available.

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I focus Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:10pm

Blowin, bit early to be drinking? eh.

So Trump a narcissist, authoritarian populous politician along with his lawyer, sons and Republican sycophants tells a crowd of fringe fruit loops (I did like the bloke with the horns, face paint and track pants) to go wild.

All of this of course based on a fraud that the election was rigged.

And this was a setup?

Now Trump is calling for the arrest of the said crowd told to go wild.

A crowd of suckers are born every day it would seem.

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freeride76 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:14pm

5 people dead, including a cop.
Dumb cnuts everywhere filming themselves.
60 or more arrested.

A mountain of evidence, including weeks of tweets of Trump whipping up his rubes, promising a wild ride on the day.

It's gunna take a fair suspension of disbelief to believe this was some kind of false flag attack to make Trump look bad.

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JQ Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:17pm

That's being exceptionally generous freeride. It would take suspension of disbelief on delusional levels to believe this false flag conspiracy theory. You'd need to have comically differing standards of evidence based on how it fits your memetic frame. You'd also need to be almost completely devoid of morals and decency.

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adam12 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:26pm

Blowin said:

"Hey Adam ! How you been bloke ?

You were one of the Justice Warriors who was cyber lynching the racists calling the Coronavirus “ Wuhan Flu “ weren’t you ?

You must be just about to type up a vengeful storm now that the MSM is talking about the UK mutation and the South African strain aren’t you ?

The humanity !

Lolololol."
Blowin, I've been good, no waves but falling arse backwards into money this week so all good. Regarding the "Justice Warrior" comment, don't know what the fuck you are talking about, never posted on racists calling it the Wuhan Flu, you've got me confused with someone else. You are going well BTL today, good reading, keep it up.

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:28pm

Righto Freeride.

From the mountains of recorded evidence show me the bloodthirsty mob breaking their way into the building despite the determined response of heavily armed and well trained police and security who have a single job which they are prepared to complete and yet somehow, totally failed to repel a few dozen unarmed and slovenly protesters.

Loving how you mentioned the death toll without accounting for the fact that most of which were fat protesters having health complications or misadventures mounting stairs in their corpulent condition.

The violent death by shooting is there for all to see - It’s an unarmed and non aggressive woman being shot for no reason whatsoever and with no justification.

But yeah.....death toll.

You know why the cops didn’t shoot more people as they tend to do in the US every day of the week and for far less provocation......cause they were told not to . Why were they told not to ?

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etarip Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:31pm

Hahaha.
Swellnet’s gone all QAnon!

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Blowin Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:36pm

Says the bloke who opines that if the protesters had been Black it would have been “ a mass slaughter “.

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freeride76 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:41pm

This is the offical United States Capitol Police Force statement about the riot.
You can read it if you like.
I assume all these statements will be tested in a court of law.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/statement-steven-sund-c...

The chief resigned after the riot. Ostensibly due to the police failure to prevent the intrusion.

Even ultra right wing Breitbart site acknowledges violent entry via broken windows.

I'm prepared to withhold judgement until the evidence is tested in a court of law.

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etarip Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:43pm

And I stand by that statement

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adam12 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:49pm

From Bens mate, John Scott-Railtons twitter
"After reviewing a lot of footage there seem to be 2 types of ppl at the #capitolbreach.

Group 1: Selfies. Unsure what to do once inside #CapitolBuilding

Group 2: Purposeful. men who know each other & head for senate floor w/tactical gear & backpacks."
That is a really interesting read Ben, those guys in tactical gear looked prepared for a hostage siege to me. It could have been a lot worse than it was.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:51pm

Yeah it's amazing how crowd sourcing manages to identify little clues that would otherwise go undetected. Brands of gear, logos etc. really fascinating stuff to watch unfold in near real time.

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thermalben Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 12:51pm

Nothing to see here, move along etc.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 1:18pm

It's not at all far fetched.

With all the chaos Antifa have caused this year and how motivated and persistent they are you would think it would be the perfect opportunity to causes more chaos, would only need one Antifa member to go in as a Trump supporter and smash the first window or even just egg on a real Trump extremest, once that ball starts rolling mob mentality would take over. (brands and gear etc, obviously they would be smart enough to appear to be 100% trump supporters)

Remember Antifa are not just anti Trump they are just anti government they grew and became a modern day version under Obama and they also hate Biden, even if they are not involved they would be loving watching this happen.

Although that said it should be noted Andy Ngo doesn't seem to think Antifa are involved and if anyone knows Antifa it's him.

But on the flip side lets be real it just as likely to be exactly what it seems no shortage of complete pro Trump nutters out there and many very angry, again only takes one or two complete nutters to egg on others, once that mob mentality ball is rolling it's hard to stop.

Either way wouldn't surprise me, could even be a mix.

Edit: BTW. Just reading through the above comments Blowin does make some fair points.

Looking at some of the footage from Bens links, why do security guards just let people wander in, and they literally do just wander in quite orderly like?

Doesn't seem to be any type of resistance at that stage, but then why does it go from that type of situation to an unarmed women being shot dead from about 2 metres away?

Not saying this supports any theory either way, but it is a bit confusing.

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fitzroy-21 Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 1:14pm

Of the 5 people dead, 1 was the unarmed woman shot in udo's vid, 1 bloke had a stroke, 1 had a heart attack, 1 was trampled by the crowd, and not sure on the 5th. it's hardly a bunch of "well organised malitia"

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Craig Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 1:16pm

Just a random little tidbit.

When visiting Alaska back in March 2017, my mates and I were in the supermarket grabbing food for a trip and this older man approached us, as we stood out like dogballs from not being from the area. Asked what we were up to etc, said fine young fit fellows etc.

All nice and then he started talking about Trump etc and going into a sort of rant/dribble, saying when the day comes he's ready to head down state, armed, to fight for the revolution when Trump signalled. Seeing as he could have been carrying right then we stayed polite then let him go on his way.

It was a little unnerving, but these are the people that are easily influenced and ready to fight and go whenever called upon.

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etarip Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 1:34pm

Indo, you reckon there were ‘agents provocateurs’ from the Left / Antifa at the Capitol? I can’t remember your stance on the alleged role of certain RW groups during the BLM riots (yes, they were riots). In particular there was ‘umbrella guy’. In this case it’s a plausible scenario, but tbh I don’t think it was needed. Sections of the crowd seemed intentioned to do what they did regardless.

Going back to the woman shot in the Capitol - notice how no one else went through that window after that? Seemed to meet the objective of keeping people out of that section of the building. My guess is, as I’ve said above, that that was a ‘no go’ zone as far as security were concerned, at least for a period - likely while they were moving people to safety.

A more robust response to the initial attempts to breach the barricades, climb the walls and break in would have prevented a lot of this. I think the reason for this is more cockup than conspiracy.

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tubeshooter Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 2:00pm

I can't see 'unity' happening in the US anytime soon. The Babylon Bee thinks there might be a chance though..

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philosurphizing... Saturday, 9 Jan 2021 at 2:13pm

Begs the question, how was John Sullivan (aka JadenX)able to waltz into the Capitol Building and film Ashli Babbits murder.
Footage of him shows he made no attempt to cover his face.
So surely all the FBI agents watching all the real time surveillance camera footage would have spotted him, and you would of thought immediately detained him.
But no he was only detained and questioned after the unrest.
Kinda suss if you ask me.
Here is his back story.
Check another vid of his in the story.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/blm-activist-documented-capitol-...