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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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flollo Thursday, 10 Mar 2022 at 12:40am
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I've been reading posts of communications problems for the Russians, and that senior officers had to be right where the action was to direct as a result.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500959074653024259

"played!!

"...Many people were surprised to learn that Europe produced more natural gas than Russia 15 years ago. Then, two things happened. First, Russia built nuclear plants so it could export its natural gas abroad, rather than use it at home to produce natural gas. Second, Europe reduced its natural gas production, including from fracking, under pressure from climate activists. It now turns out that some of those anti-fracking activists were funded by Putin..." "

Yep, if you want to beat an enemy easily you de-industrialise them.

It’s not a surprise to all, especially not to Poland and the Baltic states. If we are so keen in finding historical rationale to justify the war than Poland should wage a war against EVERYONE. What they lived through in the 20th century is enough to stay in war for the whole of 21st century. Below article clearly highlights some alarm bells coming from these countries in the last 15 years or so but no one bothered to listen.

Huge respect to the great country of Poland who took more than half of refugees already and the number is well into 7 figures. Also, supply chains coming from Poland are absolutely critical (and will prove even more critical in the future) to give Ukrainian any chance. If Russia is to seal the Poland/Ukraine boundary the war would effectively be over.

https://www.politico.eu/article/western-europe-listen-to-the-baltic-coun...

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etarip Thursday, 10 Mar 2022 at 6:31am

VJ, what sources are you following?

This guy is posting good threads with daily updates, outlining the dispositions and likely intentions across the three primary areas within Ukraine:

Pretty sober analysis. Balance is evenly poised.

Background reading: Kamil Galeev has what seems like some pretty compelling insights into Russian political, social and economic systems. His latest:

OPEC: UAE just announced that it will increase production to reduce impact on oil prices.

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etarip Thursday, 10 Mar 2022 at 7:39am

The machinations and permutations of cease-fires and peace deals, possible outcomes and why (or why not) they might work.

Freedman writes clearly, with little jargon, providing a welcome chunk of light in the density of sound bite news reporting.

https://samf.substack.com/p/giving-peace-a-chance?utm_campaign=post

A snippet:
“ Can a war launched on lies be stopped with the truth? The challenge from the start for those wondering how this war can best be concluded has been to identify a peace process that encourages Putin to walk away from his delusions. Even if the Russian military campaign had been far more successful there was never the capacity to install and sustain a puppet government. This leads to question about whether there are secondary objectives – such as territory in the Donbas or the neutralisation of Ukraine - that might satisfy Putin. But even here there are issues about the process itself. What will be required not only to get the two sides to agree but for them to be confident that any agreement would be honoured.”

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sypkan Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 12:14am

biolabs 'russian disinformation'

conspiracy 'theory'

maybe...

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r

for the non readers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-we-have-righ...

' classic russian technique to blame on the other guy what they are planning to do themselves'

classic indeed

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Optimist Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 4:59am

Wow Sypkan, as I thought …Biden’s biological weapons labs in Ukraine will be an obvious target for the Russians….who are the good guys and the bad guys?….as we all know deep down , everyone on earth is the same …some good people…some bad and the U.S. administration????

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groundswell Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 6:31am

Yes amazing post sypkan i had to share that on facebook.
heres a video i found about 7 years ago predicting this scenario.

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 7:20am

JFC: who places their ‘secret biological warfare development labs’ in such a precarious position? And why? And doesn’t dismantle them in advance of an invasion that the US has predicted for months?
There’s some long bows being drawn here. Very long. Maybe take it over to the COVID thread.

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:10am

More likely reason for the invasion is Putin’s realisation of an unintended consequence of his 2014-2022 actions in Ukraine. He needed to double down.

The Putin apologists seem love to talk up his strategic genius. This is increasingly being questioned, and he’s painting HIMSELF, into a corner. Not being forced. Consider this: by annexing Crimea, largely with a largely Russian speaking population with a more sympathetic pro-Russian foreign policy preference, Putin changed the political complexion of Ukraine. He literally made the country more pro-western from a political perspective by removing a significant chunk of the pro-Russia political influence from the voting population at both an individual and provincial level. If you add the ‘contested territories in the east, it reinforces this trend. That’s not even taking into account the impact of his threats, and employment of, military force against Ukraine. From that perspective he’s made ‘reunion’ of Ukraine with Russia a political and social impossibility.

The Russian campaign is largely cooked. It’s going to unravel from here. They’ll continue to make some minor gains in the south, but will come under increasing pressure there too.

Rather than seeking poorly constructed conspiracies for answers to the tragedy that’s unfolding, perhaps break things down to a more manageable and local level.

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frog Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:26am

The Mingles from Jingle vid above posted by VJ is well worth a listen.

. Not all about NATO expansion and security etc.
. securing the potentially massive oil and gas around the Crimea and fresh water for the Crimea and a land bridge to the region were major goals to secure the long term core of the Russian economy and oligarch wealth (oil and gas) and have been achieved.
. predicts that these regions will be hung on to no matter what - even if other parts of the Ukraine are let go in negotiations.

So maybe what appears to be all round a bad outcome for Russia with no exit is not so much in their eyes - long term.

Follow the money is often at the core of most geopolitics.

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:32am

I agree with that perspective that control and access to Azov / Black Sea resources was a part of Putin’s imperialistic (highest form of capitalism etc) aims. They could have achieved much of this without reverting to war. There’s many examples of states sharing oil and gas wealth that don’t need to resort to leveling cities.

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Distracted Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:40am

Unfortunately I think you are bang on Frog. Putin is looking long term in terms of economic resources such as gas, oil, water, coastal shipping ports and even agriculture.

This will benefit the Russian economy and simultaneously prevent the economic development of Ukraine. So there will be more war until that is secured and mass loss of innocent lives will continue.

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sypkan Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 12:19pm

"JFC: who places their ‘secret biological warfare development labs’ in such a precarious position?"

yeh, a bit like the china 'situation'...

or is that STILL regarded as conspiracy material?

(smart arsery not directed at you)

"And why?"

...is a good question, but I think we know the many reasons... unfortunately the 'why' didn't account for worst case scenarios.... in both cases... it didn't even account for a mild souring of relationships... unfortunately...

it was purely ideological and greed driven, based on some (now) broken post ww11 'model' that failed to account for a lot of things...

facillitated by some pretty reckless hubris filled leaders... where most are either well past their used by date, or so full of 'evidence' driven institutional dogma that they couldn't even make good decisions if they were half as smart as they believe themselves to be...

pure religious fervour, disguised as something superior to the the 'irrational' religious fervour they seek to replace

pig headed, hubristic, belief driven, 'us and them' thinking, with a touch of desperation and corruption thrown in

all done by a bunch of b graders at best it seems....

And doesn’t dismantle them in advance of an invasion that the US has predicted for months?
There’s some long bows being drawn here. Very long. Maybe take it over to the COVID

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sypkan Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 12:41pm

fwiw, Im not into this whole biden and establishment versus the russian apologist 'conspiracist' link wars that's developed... (not just here)

my position is putin is out of control, and a real danger. invading any country is not cool, and the way he has done it is just plain next level nasty ...evil if you will...

my links and position are what I find interesting, which is the now abject failure of the corrupted great globalists' position... a situation where the writing was on the wall a long time ago, well before trump, brexit, yellow vests etc.

watching ukraine is truly heartbreaking, as a news junky... it's also most exciting... but hearbreaking with a feeling of debillitating helplessness at a level I thought I was immune to...

but I do take great joy in watching the great globalists double down, time and time again, on their misguided adventures, and their wicked wixked ways of facillitating them

the 'conspiracy theorist' go to technique, of the last 5 years or more, is just plain embarrassing now, and just confirms either our leaders truly are b grade at best... or guided by a system wide already flawed model, that has only been corrupted more and more with the mindlessly dumb doubling down of the last ten years or so...

it's actually quite embarrassing watching such a flailing, misguided maelstrom, day after day, scandal after scandal...

that they (still) seem to think they're somehow 'winning'

in the information wars anyway...

it really is quite disheartening to watch

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 12:56pm

Biotech / bioscience / bio medicinal research does not equal biological warfare. That’s my point. The point about globalists accessing cheap labour costs and lax regulatory environments are valid. And risky.

Clearly, there’s dangers with any research in this area (hence the need for right regulation) but to equate every laboratory or facility with a military application is where conspiracy theory rabbit holes start.

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sypkan Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 1:40pm

"Biotech / bioscience / bio medicinal research does not equal biological warfare..."

no it doesn't, however, those in power are using some very careful language - some very very careful and contrived language... from a starting point of flat out denial...

again...

do you think wuhan lab was totally free of biological weapons research?

be it offensive, or for 'defense'...

i think we both know the MIC's across the world have been quite groundbreaking across the world in terms of 'research', where quite often sinister applications have actually found wider use for good

its not necessarily all black and white 'good and evil'... but the modern system requires such a perverse level of secrecy where the lines are so blurred and the risk levels so high...

it is evil

(for want of a better word)

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truebluebasher Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 4:28pm

Theatre of War (B grade Movie Matinee)
Pretty sure the crew spotted the Atrocity of Fake Atrocities committed on the World Stage.
Daggy Dad milked these Acts to beef up his War Chest for his unlosable election on ChYnna!

1. Bombing a Kindergarten is an act of .........
World is shocked by such an inhumane breach of international law. (All sign here .....)
Russia's most horrific War crime in history of Modern Warfare....(Act 1)

Enemy missile was accused of turning corners then levelling out just metres from target? (Really!)
The UN were Later informed of Azov involvement. (See Video at bottom)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1494437868898426880.html
https://en.topwar.ru/192413-ucelevshie-steklopakety-i-plafony-kadry-posl...

2. Bombing the biggest Nuke Plant in Europe is an act of .........
World is shocked by such an inhumane breach of International Law. (All sign here ......)
Russia's most horrific War crime in history of Modern Warfare....(Act 2)

28th Feb Russia informed IAEA that they secured Zaporizhzhia Nuke Plant that they built & service.
4th March Ukraine Rebels retaliated by lopping in a projectile which torched the plant's training facility.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/west-says-russia-attacked-nuclear-plant-rus...

3. Bombing Babies in a Hospital is an act of .........
World is shocked by such an inhumane breach of International law. (All sign here .....)
Russia's most Horrific War crime in history of Modern Warfare...(Act 3)

Intro : Troops knock out Telco > Defence then base in Hospitals to secure communication lines!
Most Hospitals adapt default Frontline radio calls +Troops / leaders can run the show if injured!
Strategic elevation, built solid with 360" firing points. (A Castle stronghold with #1 communications!)
It's no mistake that Hospitals are targeted in War Zones as they are default Troop Bases...as Mariupol

Reports : Telco Towers being knocked down >
Ukraine Troops are based in Hospitals. (Now Targets)
7th March Russia informed UN security Council of long non operational Mariupol Hospital > Troop Base
Citing the Neo Nazi Azov Battalion of also Blocking Safe Passages & destroying the Kindergarten.
President arms Azov Nazi kids & Grans to pardoned prisoners to seek revenge on Whoever they like...
Read here > War between Ukraine own Army (vs) Azov (Bombings & Killings in Mariupol)
https://tass.com/world/1416593

Are we to believe that Ukraine uses Pregnant Women as Shields for Soldiers! (Well then, it's bullshit!)
What army sets up base in an active maternity ward...waving here we are! (Never happened people!)
See as camera pans, all else is bullet free + intact....all apart from Bullet Ridden Combat Base...Kaboom!
Yet we see pregnant women emerge from same Bullet ridden Defence Base...with all around spared.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-invasion-mariupol-hospital-evacuations/3...

Russia's most Horrific Crime in the history of Modern Warfare...
Russia claim in this case the "Actress is a pregnant beauty Blogger M.P. " plays several lead roles...
Filmed by "Famous Propagandist E.M. (These comments were censored by twitter.)
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-says-claim-it-bombed-child...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/russia-says-mariupol-maternity-hospit...
https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/10/russia-denies-ukraine-hospital-bomb-and-s...

Staging War Crimes is equally abhorrent & must be denounced by UN rather than fuel more of them.
In real life if you falsely sound the Alarm 3x then you're an enemy of the people... (Then call them out!)
International Atomic Energy Agency & United Nations were informed of takeovers well before incidents.

Respectfully the Ukraine Puppet Leader is fast losing cred by staging someone else's war.
This UN / Western Popcorn Propaganda is deceitful & fast undermining Ukraine.
Endless fuel for growing number of online Trolls laughing at this pathetically sad mock up Game show!
Run for cover as The Prez releases another Stink Bomb...World has had enough of this shit! ... Peace out!

8 billion likes for #1 Hollywood heartstrings propaganda (vs) 577 views for the boring Russian Version

The War & Peace paperback.
https://russiaun.ru/en/news/070322n

The War & Peace Blockbuster

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 7:41pm

You’re quoting tass?

Riiiiiiigggghhhhht

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:26pm

So tbb. Straight up. Are you saying that the Ukrainians are staging false flag attacks against nuclear facilities in their own country? Are you saying that the attack on civilian infrastructure is a. staged or b. justified?

Spare me the long rambling posts with links to less than credible ‘news’ sources, yes or no?

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etarip Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 8:52pm

Syppo: ref Wuhan. I don’t know. And neither do you.
But, i find it hard to believe that any nation would use a multi-national lab to develop bio weapons. Too much sovereign risk.

There’s a shitload of protocol around biological facilities. Rightfully. Have you been to any? There’s some seriously scary stuff in the ones we have in Australia. Look at the link, they admit messing with some serious shit:
https://www.csiro.au/en/about/facilities-collections/acdp

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sypkan Friday, 11 Mar 2022 at 9:05pm
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You’re quoting tass?

Riiiiiiigggghhhhht

Im not quoting anyone, im asking you?

I dont even know who/what tass is...

but Ive read at enough reasonable sources that the chinese booted the french out of the lab - the french who built and funded the facility - when the chinese moved the military in

I also read a direct quote in a very well researched article that said '.... the military and the scientists are working side by side for fucks sake...' ...or words to that effect...

so Im asking you... who knows, as I said, there's so much secrecy, disinformation, and outright lies floating around it's impossible to know...

but as I also said, the powers are not very forthcoming with good info. and the lines of 'research' are terribly blurred...

the scientists (from all sides) are complicit in something at a minimum at wuhan, the cover up reeks, even if its just science

and now we are seeing quite the pattern....

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"Syppo: ref Wuhan. I don’t know. And neither do you.
But, i find it hard to believe that any nation would use a multi-national lab to develop bio weapons. Too much sovereign risk."

well, as pointed out above, it seems the chinese may have taken the ball and ran with it

it seems the scientists, like that peter daszak cunt, are just so balls deep and excited about the funding of their frankenprojects, they'd say and do anything

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Supafreak Saturday, 12 Mar 2022 at 9:43pm

I’m wondering how many other Democrats feel the same as Tulsi .

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sypkan Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 1:25am

watch some of the actual vids of her talking, its not very comforting knowing she is the main representative. its hard to even know what she is saying

very strange, I don't get it, she cannot possibly be that stupid, something doesn't add up, she looks like she's drunk

imagine being a translator trying to convey her message... its just plain scary thinking what they are being told and what they are thinking

no way they can make her pres.

but it may well happen regardless

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truebluebasher Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 4:59am

tbb don't even know what tass is or apps or telegram or mobile phones...seriously ?
This computer is half dead as well...see if tbb cares.

How about tbb bakes up a Hot Apple Pie....not saying to dumb it down...

Above 7th March UN > 8th March Vid [4:50] Russia informs the World (UN + YouTube)
"Locals said Asov Nazis forced out the staff of Maternity Clinic then put a firing site in that clinic."

This remark fits the damage done to that one particular site of the Hospital ( Rings True! )
As evidenced by Bullet Holes peppered only around this said firing site & no other Hospital wing.
All see that, as clear as day! see news links > Choose any of the Ukraine Videos...tass or bbc.

Pretty much by now...UN & YouTube should have alerted the Mums & Bubs to clear the rebel base.
In fact anyone seeing this vid should of warned & moved the Mums from 'known' targeted rebel base.
Known...because everyone in the UN was told days earlier.
Takes all of 5 minutes viewing of Russian UN Vid to work this out ...shh! Don't tell the Experts.

No Troops would set up a firing site amongst Mums & Bubs & if so, how is that not a bigger crime!
You know...need another baby as a cushion...as tbb said...it's insane & sadistic to even think such!

Early March both Russia & Ukraine bombed rebel Neo Nazis Azov's Mariupol bases & killed soldiers...
All here know that right now US & Social media are denouncing & banning Azov Neo Nazis.
US has them on/off terrorist list as it sees fit...& will not let them touch the US heavy Gear.

Dust settles 1 or 2 Mums/Bub venture out from said shelled bullet ridden rebel Azov firing base.
Ukrain Prez & World Leaders claim Genocide as 20 more babies are buried in the rubble...
Despite Broadcasting a clear & concise warning for alleged "Genocide" to UN & YouTubers days earlier.

Just wondering how the world missed Russia's Warning of The Maternity Clinic Firing / Bombing Range?
No brainer that Russia would take out a Neo Nazi Firing Base...fits their War Time job description!
First with 1,000's of bullets then shelled the exact same Firing Base as shown in any Ukraine Vids.

UN version has cred...If any other version can present as detailed as this, then world should share it.
Not seen any evidence of other claims...to come close in detail of "Actual UN records" & News Footage.

It's not what tbb thinks ...it's an actual timeline verified by UN witnesses & Ukraine News clips.
Ask! How & Why would tbb go to such lengths to even search what tass is or means...not an issue!
No! tbb is no Putin Fan nor has any Russian blood relatives...just sick of 2 years worth of Media Spin.

No one can say if babies are under the rubble...but why ignore UN World Broadcast days earlier..
Let's be honest...reckon my & your kids would be outta there...not wait days for the 2nd coming!

Don't know of many enemies that give tip offs! Be nice if Russia did that more often.
But what would it matter as World / Ukraine ignored the clear and present danger...as evidenced by all!
Sorry if it upsets, but these events played out as UN / world earlier debated & later exhibited!

About the Hollywood version ...well...what proof of that! Seriously! No timeline? No Discussion?

Why would the World stir up the Madman ... doesn't help! It only boosts his support in the Polls...(True!)
Very soon we'll see other Nations backing him up...all know so!

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etarip Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 8:21am

What a crock of Tripe tbb.

If you’re looking for signs of fascism there’s plenty of examples in this war, just the majority are on the Russian side. (Or are you still on the ‘special de-nazification operation’ crackpipe?). Azov is a former irregular unit with an unsavoury history of far-right sympathies and some documented human rights abuses from 2013-2015. One battalion sized unit, now formally in the Ukrainian army. I’m not justifying any of their historical actions and these should be investigated and crimes prosecuted if there are any.

My point about Tass is that you’re quoting Russian news sources then asking us to beware of the propaganda from the west.

The Russian UN address is NOT the UN. It’s a stage for Russia to provide justification for their actions. Like the Colin Powell address to the UN on WMDs in Iraq. Do you understand that?

So your latest prediction is that other nations are going to start backing Putin? When and on what grounds?

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 8:31am

aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 9:27am
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aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

He never loved him, but he respected him to some degree because Trump was bold and unpredictable, hence why he would never have invaded if Trump was in power.

Biden on the other hand is easy to predict and viewed as weak worldwide especially by leaders like Putin or Xi jinping.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 9:31am
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I’m wondering how many other Democrats feel the same as Tulsi . https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1502586598541586433?s=21

Unfortunately none, im not even sure why Tulsi was a Democrat, she just isn't cut with the same cloth.

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frog Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 9:49am

US suggest Poland send Mig fighter jets to Ukraine. Poland sees trap. Russia would see it as a hostile act.
Sacrificial pawn.

Poland suggests the jets go to US base first and US deliver them. US rapidly back tracks on idea and is much annoyed.

A friend indeed. Kamala cackles reassuringly.

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etarip Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 10:49am
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aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

He never loved him, but he respected him to some degree because Trump was bold and unpredictable, hence why he would never have invaded if Trump was in power.

Biden on the other hand is easy to predict and viewed as weak worldwide especially by leaders like Putin or Xi jinping.

I reckon you’re reading that 100% the wrong way round. Got it totally wrong.

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aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

He never loved him, but he respected him to some degree because Trump was bold and unpredictable, hence why he would never have invaded if Trump was in power.

Biden on the other hand is easy to predict and viewed as weak worldwide especially by leaders like Putin or Xi jinping.

I reckon you’re reading that 100% the wrong way round. Got it totally wrong.

It's not just my view its the view of others well versed in this issue and everything to date backs up the view.

Leaders like Putin and Xi jinping respect others that are similar to themselves, strong, fearless, cut throat and most importantly unpredictable.

It doesn't mean they liked Trump, im sure they thought he was a bit of nutcase, but these quality's still earn a type of mutual respect.

It might not always be the ideal way to approach things, but history has shown while we all thought Trump being elected would result in more wars, it actually had the opposite effect world wide.

I think this guy even mentions it in this discussion, i know the Russian host has a number of times.

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etarip Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 11:32am

I reckon they’re wrong too…

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Never knew Trust was a racist thing with set boundaries...Wow! tbb is nearing 60 & never knew that!
So VIP's doing the right thing are most or least trustworthy...coz tbb often gets that mucked up!
Oz PM recent Russian Vax approval was the right thing to do...(Shall we ask the Good Guys?)

EU / Nato policy is to restrict movement of Ukrainians thru Europe > Russia offers free passage.
EU could recognize & welcome Ukrainian People as citizens with or without a Nation...yet they refuse.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-eu-russia-refugees-asylum/
This would end persecution of Ukrainians in Europe...not sure if EU are that kind...(Just do it already!)

23/28 EU nations are indebted & beholden to Russia > re: Russia has more of a stake in EU than Europe.
*Ukraine / China / *Germany / *Poland / Turkey / *Italy / Egypt all up recent Russian investments.
Same nations equally invest with Ukraine...as if it still is one nation...understandable!
*These Nations struggle to cut ties with Russia.

Australia is likewise offshoring it's $8b debt to Russia (Govt likely hooked up Oz Super deal the same!)
Sanctioning a 3rd party to dodge sanctions!

Most of Ukraine's industry upgrades & incomes are anchored to Russian Oil subsidies.
Example : Oils price rise > Ukraine Builds more Rail Cars for Export...all cogs in one Big Machine.

Russia designs, supplies & subsidises both side's Defence : Jets / Tanks / Navy / Choppers / Launchers.
Nato supply Ukraine with Drone/Tech (Recently) + Ammunition + ever chasing more ex soviet gear!
Ukraine President made light of this humiliating fact that they kill the enemy with their own weapons.

Russia designs, supplies, services & subsidises all Power Grid / Rail Lines / Nuke Power Plants / Gas
Same day Ukraine unhooked from Russian Power Grid > Putin moved his troops in!
Rail network is not even gauge compliant to Euro-Rail...be a bit of a squeeze.
As well as designing & building ALL Ukraine Nuke Plants > Russia fuels & disposes of all Nuke waste.
Whoever blows up the Nuke Plants, it's still Russia that mops up the Nuke waste...ask Ukraine!

Ukraine designs & engineers new Industry...but rent & subsidies is comparably financed by Russia.
Mainly because most Utility / Factory leases are continuous from the Soviet Era until new agreements.
So whoever wins a war...these private leases are still tied to the state...War can't change that!

Say a Cruise arrives at Ukrainian Odessa & tourist buys a $200 'Russian Train' ticket to Moscow.
23hrs Russian train rolls thru Ukraine or venture over to Poland without waking any Guards in Ukraine.

tbb is not ridiculing this 2nd largest Nation in Europe...the sheer size warrants a motionless state.
How does EU refinance to completely rebuild the largest least compliant, least integrated Euro region.
Look above....when all are indebted to the caretaker neighbour.
Current plan is for World to freeze Russian Foreign Finances to pay for it!

World has already paid for previous Russian Meltdown & Buy Back ...resulting in ....
Ukraine's #1 & #2 Tourist attractions Soviet Cold War relics Chernobyl Ghost Town & Missile Fun Park.
Pray the Ukraine Freak Show doesn't expand.

Ukraine destroying it's own Power Grid, Rail, Navy, Rebels & giving repatriated towns a farewell blast.
Ukraine President bankrolls an Open Sky > Flight Ban > More EU Gas > Gas Ban - each within a week?

There are many nations that refuse to condemn Putin...as said they don't need much to cheer him on!
As Ukraine destroys it's rail grid the Eastern Block Nations are running Russian Rail Troops
Here's a list of 35 nations that abstained from voting against Russia & refuse to assist Ukraine!
There's actually a few more big players (Mediators) like Israel > being bullied by the Good Guys!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/russia-ukraine-nations-that-sit-o...

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etarip Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 1:07pm

You said:

“ Very soon we'll see other Nations backing him up...all know so!”

That’s not what you expanded on.

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Constance B Gibson Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 1:33pm

A little respite from the war propogandisin' on the frontlines here...

History!

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/cointelpro-exposed/?fbclid=IwAR3...

History...never repeats...
I tell myself
Before I go to sleep...

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 1:40pm
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aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

He never loved him, but he respected him to some degree because Trump was bold and unpredictable, hence why he would never have invaded if Trump was in power.

Biden on the other hand is easy to predict and viewed as weak worldwide especially by leaders like Putin or Xi jinping.

Wha? Putin knew Trump wouldnt interfere - America first - just two psychos sucking each other's dicks and looking the other way

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 1:53pm

Biden and Europe shoulda called Pootys bluff and helped Ukraine. Just get on with nuking each other and hit that other fascist PoohBear Jing while they're at it. Just gotta cut through all the tension and bullshit.
You know it's gonna happen anyway... one day. Psycho meglomaniacs, esp with little man syndromes or fascist dictatorship yearnings need disposing. We will know no peace otherwise. Hitleristory does repeat.
"The horror"

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 3:27pm
harrycoopr wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
harrycoopr wrote:

aaaand.... now we know why Pooty loved the the Trumpet.

He never loved him, but he respected him to some degree because Trump was bold and unpredictable, hence why he would never have invaded if Trump was in power.

Biden on the other hand is easy to predict and viewed as weak worldwide especially by leaders like Putin or Xi jinping.

Wha? Putin knew Trump wouldnt interfere - America first - just two psychos sucking each other's dicks and looking the other way

So why not invade when Trump was in power???

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 3:47pm

I guess little Pooty needed an actual adversary... Trump is SO narcissistic he couldn't bear actual fisticuffs. He's all blather and bravado... wouldn't last 2 secs in an actual personal confrontation. He'd piss himself and cry for mummy...
All bullies are like that

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 3:50pm

Anyway, there's so much behind-the-scenes stuff that us plebs don't know and realise... we're just pawns in their game. Human life is so cheap, so blatantly unimportant to these bozos.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 5:01pm
harrycoopr wrote:

I guess little Pooty needed an actual adversary... Trump is SO narcissistic he couldn't bear actual fisticuffs. He's all blather and bravado... wouldn't last 2 secs in an actual personal confrontation. He'd piss himself and cry for mummy...
All bullies are like that

It's more that as much as anyone might think they can predict how Trump would react, nobody actually really knows, Trump is extremely unpredictable he can never lose face he couldn't even admit defeat in an election, if he felt like he was being made to look like a fool or weak he would start world war 3 to prove he is not.

Putin knew this too and the scary thing is from everything ive read and heard it seems Putin is very similar, both are the kind of people that would rather go down in a blaze of fire even a nuclear one rather than come out looking like a loser, its unlikely Putin will give up unless he runs out of money.

Biden on the other hand despite his mind obviously suffering from old age he isn't loose and out of control, I'm sure he would rather be seen as weak and lose face than push things too far.

So i guess in a strange kind of way although i dont think this would happen under Trump, now that it has, it's a good thing that Biden is in instead of Trump.

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harrycoopr Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 6:41pm

Good points Indo

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wax24 Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 8:32pm

Takes months, years even, to build up a military to plan an invasion. Particularly if the campaign doesn't end when the first country is conquered. Seems to me that Putin shoulda waited longer, as his military does not seem ready. What if the timing has nothing to do with Biden or Trump? What if that is just one more thing for people to feed their mostly entrenched positions on the Oval Office? But, nah.... that couldn't be it.

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andy-mac Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 8:50pm

https://www.salon.com/2022/02/26/the-ukraine-and-how-we-got-here-chronic...

Have read a couple of books by Chris Hedges, I think he knows what he is talking about...

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Constance B Gibson Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 8:58pm
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wax24 Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 9:00pm

Thanx Andy. Hope you are well. Read it. It rings mostly true to me. One issue i have... it doesn't touch on any other factors, such as the history of Russia and Ukraine. If i have a piece of pie, i can tell you all about that pie. Just from the one piece. If i have a chocolate, just one, i couldn't really say what the rest of the box is like. This situation is not a pie. It's a box of chocolates. (Let the Gump puns begin.)

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andy-mac Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 9:26pm
wax24 wrote:

Thanx Andy. Hope you are well. Read it. It rings mostly true to me. One issue i have... it doesn't touch on any other factors, such as the history of Russia and Ukraine. If i have a piece of pie, i can tell you all about that pie. Just from the one piece. If i have a chocolate, just one, i couldn't really say what the rest of the box is like. This situation is not a pie. It's a box of chocolates. (Let the Gump puns begin.)

Cheers Wax, whole situation is incredibly sad and frightening... I guess everyone has their own take on it, and Europe has so many years of history, culture etc playing a part. Hope it resolves itself shortly and before more lives are destroyed.

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wax24 Sunday, 13 Mar 2022 at 10:05pm

Surfing keeps getting more critically important for me these last coupla years. I swear sometimes i feel like that is my only "safe place." Bobbing on a board in pointer filled soup. Lol. Now, with gas prices, and me living 40 mins from the coast, i might be doing less of it. But i'll take that burden on. Anyways, Andy, we seem agreed on the things of primary importance in all this. Sad, frightening, sickening to watch innocents suffer, hope it ends soon and as well as it can. But it's currently a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. (There. I supplied my own Gumpism.)

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Distracted Monday, 14 Mar 2022 at 6:21am

TBB, not sure what you’re on about.
Russia is offering “free passage” to Ukrainians so that they are out of the way and Russia i.e Putin, can take all of Ukraines resources.
Do you think that Ukraine shouldn’t exist? That it’s people should just submit to being a police state of Russia?

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Optimist Monday, 14 Mar 2022 at 7:51am

A Ukrainian leader who drags 18 year old kids out of fleeing cars to go back and kill Russians who also make up half the country’s population is just as bad as the Russian leader himself. This is a war between idiots and we should all stay out of it. Other country’s Instead of feeding arms into it should feed diplomacy and insist Ukraine stay neutral and grant Russia shared ocean access just like a friendly neighbour would. But then we have Biden, the worst of the war pigs whose family have been feeding the Ukrainians bullshit for money for years and the Democrats interfering in their politics as well. US bio labs and weapons building up in Ukraine and they all want bad Vlad to do nothing. Bad Vlad don’t think like that. A neutral, really really neutral Ukraine would do very well in trade and prosper and they should treat Russia as brothers instead of trying to join the EU and nato and listening to a demented American president. Imagine the US if Russia started setting up a defence system in Mexico or Cuba again and influencing leaders with flawed promises. Peace and diplomacy and everyone stay home in their own friggin independent country is what works best.