Climate Change
“All Fairfax ( Age and AFR ) all the TV stations , ABC and SBS radio and TV are way left imo .”
Geez . That’s a misread and a half.
Hiccup - I do read the Australian and imo it is in the middle with the editorial sometimes leaning right . One of the only mainstream papers that has journalists of the left and right . Of course I know who owns it pea brain .
As I said above -"The only media that is right leaning in Australia is Murdoch ( and he often picks the other side ) "
Maybe you should let the adults who consistently read discuss this to save you having to catch up ?
The AFR has been for 20 years strongly pro climate change reduction strategies . Is there another topic that is more right / left than this ? If you think of one and let me know and I will give an opinion on what side the AFR has been .
Hutchy 19 wrote:Hiccup - I do read the Australian and imo it is in the middle with the editorial sometimes leaning right . One of the only mainstream papers that has journalists of the left and right . Of course I know who owns it pea brain .
As I said above -"The only media that is right leaning in Australia is Murdoch ( and he often picks the other side ) "
Maybe you should let the adults who consistently read discuss this to save you having to catch up ?
d00d, you don't understand sarcasm, or what constitutes "way left", but sure, I'll catch up to you. You foolish, ignorant, boomer, fuckwit.
Hiccup - I just added to my post above . Please give me another topic other than climate change that shows a clear distinction between left and right .
Not sure how much you think I know but from all the posts you have written I assume not much . Will keep an eye out for your sarcasm in the future as it will save me time responding .
I subscribe to the SMH and it’s as Fake Left as it gets.
They can’t bleat hard enough about how Australia needs to open up for hundreds of thousands of highly skilled food service delivery drivers ASAP and how the only reason houses are so expensive is because of a lack of supply. That second one was today. Fairfax are the ultimate neoliberal shills.
Actually….Blindboy said the exact same thing as LNP member Jason Falinski
in today’s SMH.
Hutchy 19 wrote:Hiccup - I just added to my post above . Please give me another topic other than climate change that shows a clear distinction between left and right .
Not sure how much you think I know but from all the posts you have written I assume not much . Will keep an eye out for your sarcasm in the future as it will save me time responding .
What? You can't think of a topic that shows a distinction between the right and the left, or do you think I can't? Either way, wtf is wrong with you?
You IDIOT ! I have given you what I believe is the perfect example , Climate Change mitigation , that is divided left and right . I can't think of a better topic and invited you to suggest one .
"The AFR has been for 20 years strongly pro climate change reduction strategies . Is there another topic that is more right / left than this ? If you think of one and let me know and I will give an opinion on what side the AFR has been ."
I highlighted that I added this to my post .
What is wrong with you ? If you think that my topic is the best example the argument is settled as far as I am concerned .
The lunatics are trying to run the asylum today !
I was saying that if you wanna talk about another topic that shows the distinction, you go for your life. I'm not offering you shit. How strongly has the AFR advocated for climate change reduction strategies, really? Seeing as you don't know what far left or even centre is, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Hiccup - If you had read the AFR consistently you would know the answer immediately . I have and it has been only one sided for 20 years . I don't expect you to believe me as I have already told you this .
Your inability to offer anything ( which would be shit anyway ) is proportionate with what you know on this subject . As I also said , leave the discussion to adults that have an informed opinion . You are wasting my time !
haha. You've got half informed, at best, opinions on a lot of things, and opinions with no substance whatsoever on everything else you stupid old gronk. Pretty impressive that everyone on here, including people that loathe each other have all come to the same consensus about you, and it's not a flattering one.
Ive never read the AFR but media bias fact check says, it's right centre bias.
But on the visual rating it actually sits very close to the centre, I've never seen a media outlet rated that close to the centre.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-australian-financial-review/
For a comparison ABC news is rated left centre bias but a bit more off centre than AFR, SBS same but more left again, the Age little more left again, and something like Crikey is dead left bias.
Sky news is dead centre right bias, The Australian centre right bias (sits about the same spot SBS sits except right) Herald sun centre bias but more to the centre (but compared to ABC not as close to the centre)
I actually think this website is pretty accurate, so if you dont agree chances are it's your own perspective that is off.
"Ive never read the AFR but..."
Parp!
Next...
Different name but still the biggest wanker going round.
Info, your knowledge of left and right would be invaluable...in the circus.
Clown shoes on the wrong feet...stumbling around...melodramatically whinging that your feet hurt, whilst we laugh and laugh and laugh.
Captain Clownshoes. Step right up.
indo-dreaming wrote:Different name but still the biggest wanker going round.
Glad he's back. Might have to lurk more.
Ha ha Indo the "Yew" gave it away. Still gender bending is an innovation.
???... not sure what you are on about?...i dont believe in genders anyway or god both just beliefs in things that cant be proven to exist.
indo-dreaming wrote:Different name but still the biggest wanker going round.
Time to get back on your meds info
I hear there's wide spread shortages of that medicine though, so good luck getting ahold of any.
Indo - I think you are right about viewing the media is in the eye of the beholder .
I only read Vic and NSW publications and the same with watching TV .
The AFR is published by Fairfax . They also publish the AGE and SMH .
All are highly left leaning imo . Why would one be different to the others ?
The coverage of Climate Change is the same in all three .
AFR is "highly left leaning"
If you had any credibility left Hutchy, it's now completely disappeared.
VicLocal "If you had any credibility left Hutchy, it's now completely disappeared."
Coming from you Vic I view this as a huge compliment . Thanks again for your 98.8% figure . I see I was not the only one who missed you calculation .
You hassling and bullying Blowin over .7% has made my day . Keep up the good work . ha ha
You would bully someone who you said could have one of your hundred waves but took two . Dick head !
0.7% of 100k = 7-800 extra deaths. Go the callous bastards! We can win this one.
BB - "7-800 extra deaths. Go the callous bastards! We can win this one." You are a big DH !!!!!
You might think you can win this one . You have lost re the Fed shareholders and maybe your ego needs a boost .
To me this is not about winning or losing . I was pointing out that both a 98.8% and 99.5% survival rates from Covid were BOTH very good .
The costs of lockdowns are VERY high . Economically and socially with mental issues going through the roof .
I believe there are no winners . I hope we can work out the best way to minimalize the loses .
Mate people on this site have been arguing against the measures designed to minimise infections since day one of the pandemic. Callous bastards is a generous description. Watch them scurry out now from under their rocks with their usual crap about their precious freedoms and it's only old people anyway bullshit.
And you want to win an argument BB when tragedy is on both sides of deaths by covid and lockdowns negatives .
Time for you to check your numbers on another thread YOU callous bastard .
"you want to win an argument"
Well yeh....nah, I suppose I could ignore the endless streams of ignorant assertion that constantly attempt to undermine the public health policies of our democratically elected government......but probably not,.
Deliberately LYING again BB . You have really pissed me off today !!!!!!!!
Well that's a pity Hutchy, I was quite enjoying our little exchange. Hint: Never get angry at people on the internet, it's a waste of energy and damaging to your health.
blindboy wrote:Well that's a pity Hutchy, I was quite enjoying our little exchange. Hint: Never get angry at people on the internet, it's a waste of energy and damaging to your health.
Speaking from experience bb
Ha ha the best place to give advice from!
I don't know why studies like this are allowed to happen . No one wants to know the "Inconvenient Truth ".
A handful of US states and countries around the world are set to ban the sale of new gas-powered cars as soon as 2030, but a new study finds holding onto your 'gas guzzler' is better than switching to the green technology.
Researchers at Kyushu University in Japan found using cars with good fuel efficiency longer could reduce carbon dioxide emissions significantly more than an accelerated transition to alternative fuel vehicles.
This was found after the team conducted a case study of newly registered and used cars in Japan between 1990 and 2016, which allowed them to model how 'replacement behavior' impacts the nation's carbon footprint.
Results of the study showed that if an car is kept 10 percent longer, the average ownership of a car is seven years, the overall carbon footprint of cars would decrease by 30.7 million tons.
No link, no credibility.
https://climate200.com.au/
Interesting to see how this pans out. Independents into Lib held seats such as Frydenberg, Sharma etc. Wentworth previously fell and Warringah now independent. Current federal government needs to be held to account on so many issues this being just one.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/climate-200-gove...
Interview on RN re climate 200
"Researchers at Kyushu University in Japan found using cars with good fuel efficiency longer could reduce carbon dioxide emissions significantly more than an accelerated transition to alternative fuel vehicles."
There has been a bit of research on this issue with variable results. I suppose if you had never been to Japan or didn't know much about it you could easily think that this data could apply just as well in Australia. But it doesn't for a number of reasons:
1. Car replacement is especially rapid in Japan with new vehicles being sold, on average after 7 years. In Australia that figure is closer to 11 years. This is important because on selling new vehicles can remove older vehicles from the road before there is any emission advantage.
2. Cars in Japan travel on average 9800 km/year. In Australia that figure is over 13000 km/year. this means that as well as being sold on more rapidly the vehicles are likely to be in better condition. So once again older vehicles are reduced before there is any emission advantage.
Until we have Australian research on the issue it will be hard to put exact figures on how long a car should be kept to actually reduce emissions, but it is likely any remaining advantage drops off pretty rapidly after it is 10 years old, though even this is dependent on the type of vehicle and how well it has been maintained. The fuel efficiency of the vehicle is also a key factor. The research refers only to petrol driven vehicles so converting from diesel to a similar sized hybrid or full electric, at a much younger age, would almost certainly reduce emissions almost immediately.
Read the research here:
https://www.kyushu-u.ac.jp/en/researches/view/218
BB - Thanks for proving your own statement about my posts credibility wrong . I don't expect you to change you views about me even when you prove your statement wrong .
In one sentence to say the statement has no credibility and a moment later you say "There has been a bit of research on this issue with variable results. "
You couldn't lie straight in bed you bullshitter . Try and make it less obvious .
It would go against your poor character flaws . Thanks again though .
Ask yourself is there any shit that hutchy has shat that info hasn’t already shat here many times before? Coincidence????
What I say about BB must be true then . I am no persona figmatata (whatever) .
No coincidence just fact .
Hutchy the point is to provide the link to your source. If you do not, then your statement has no credibility. This is not a personal slight just a fundamental of these kinds of discussions. And you should try and find the original source not a news site. In this case it took me about 30s to do so. A secondary point is when you summarise something briefly, it can be misleading or be so incomplete the meaning is not clear. Climate change is a scientific issue, you need to abide by reasonable standards if you expect to be taken seriously by any one other than those seeking to confirm their pre-existing views.
Piss off BB . The Uni was named . It took you one second to find the study . The news site summarised it . I posted the summary .
Were credibility was lost ( you have none now in my eyes after yesterday ) was when you said my post had no credibility and then said -""There has been a bit of research on this issue with variable results. "
You are a total pretender know it all .
Has the environmental movement held us back for too long? Is it time for the nuclear barbarians?
A solid polemic:
https://nuclearbarians.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-beginning?r=tcjlv&u...
Bonza - Are you there ?
Back onto my suggestion that we dam the Mitchell River in Vic .
A quick summary . I say yes as it will stop the violent floods that destroy infrastructure , farmers fences etc . It will stop the hatcheries at the mouth of the river being decimated . It will be a good source of water and stop fresh water flowing out to sea and the desal sal plant sucking in salt water 40km down the beach . Less CO2 .
You say no as it will decimate the local river system and its flora and fauna . It will stop valuable silt replenishing the soil . Probably other things I cannot recall .
I spoke to a farmer in Swan Hill today and he said the Murray was almost overflowing which is great . Also the the Hume Weir is full which surprised me as it was almost empty 18 months ago .
I asked him if , when the Murray floods , does it , like the Nile , replenish the soil ? He said no . Although the river is muddy there is little silt . He said it causes major problems with "Black Water " .
Due to the build up of leaf litter the flooded water quickly turns Black and looses its oxygen .
This then kills all the fish .
You could not name one plant species that would be negatively effected by a dam on the Mitchell ( not where the dam is of course ) .
Does the Black Water effect change your views ? I already know the answer .
" I already know the answer"
well that was easy. Almond farmer was he? makes sense. best thing that ever happened to the southern Basin - a expanding monoculture of perennial water intensive trees. tell him we all say thanks.
good chat hutchy. glad i'm still keeping you up at night. xx
Yeah, it would be a great idea to turn the Mitchell River into our version of the Colorado, which is providing good evidence that West Coast America is Ground Zero for the effects of global warming.
The Colorado River, after two decades of drought (that sounds like climate as opposed to weather to me) is running at less than forty percent capacity. Some forty million Americans rely on the Colorado for water and power. Not to mention the meat and produce that gets shipped across the whole country.
Not helping is the way the water extraction operates. It’s dependent on an antiquated 1922 agreement that overestimated the river’s capacity, and operates on a who was there first has first dibs basis. It hasn’t adequately adapted for the growth of cities in the interim. Users must use their full allowance to keep their allowance. So upstream ranchers take their whole share out even when they don’t need it all.
Lake Mead, fed by The Colorado, is at dangerously low levels. In a few years water won’t be able to get past the Hoover Dam. Vegas will be okay as they’ve dug a really low drainage tunnel into the lake, but the other cities might be screwed.
One solution could be as simple as California adopting a No Meat Monday, which would save enough water to get the river back to decent health.
However, lots of water gets lost to leakage through ageing infrastructure. And think about all the old lead water pipes that are crumbling away throughout the US - and their ageing infrastructure in general.
It’s easy to conclude that the lack of spending on infrastructure over the last two decades must be related to the trillions spent on the Forever Wars. Only now are they starting to act. And to think the US budget was in good shape prior to 9/11.
Looking at some photos of The Colorado taken over the course of its 1450 miles one can appreciate how Americans can get so teary eyed patriotic. Such an epic landscape.
As it enters and stutters through Mexico however, The Colorado, which way upstream near its source in the Rockies is still a wild and abundant river, is reduced to little more than a trickle.
A much different picture was described in 1746 by Father Ferdinand Konščak. The Croatian missionary marvelled at the phenomenon of a major springtime tidal bore in the delta and estuary of the lower Colorado.
Baja has enough waves as it is. I guess they aren’t missing this one. But it seems the Barra de la Cruz local govt. didn’t learn the lesson. Don’t mess with the river!
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/what-next-tbd-can-this-river-be-sa...
No Bonza - wrong again . Doesn't grow Almonds but he said the irrigated crops are doing well .
I haven't thought about you in weeks and sleeping well thanks .
Since you didn't mention Black water I assume you don't know what I am talking about . And you said you were a river expert . I knew that was BS as well .
I will not bother with you and dams again .
I will not bother with you and dams again .
is that a promise?
Hutchy, proving he's the dumbest prick on here time and time again.
The mouth of the Mitchell is 200km as the crow flies from the desal plant, and until this year has been in severe drought. Any functional dam would need to be up in the high country and limit water supply to the Lindenow valley, one of Australia's largest food producing areas. As well as further limit flow into what used to be significant freshwater lakes systems.
The generation location would be a bloody long way from any existing HV infrastructure and cost a bomb.
Dams will be a component of future energy storage but as closed loop systems and not on river.
Spot on carpetman.
Telling everyone that we should damn the Mitchell, while having no clue where the river actually is, is bloody embarrassing Hutchy.
Not even the environmentally destructive LNP are proposing this damn stupid idea.
The last time I heard anyone run the "Damn the Mitchell" plan was Andrew Bolt about 10 years ago. How stupid would you have to be to be 10 years behind Andrew bolt?
Ok I was out by 100 miles . Makes no difference to anything I said . I hate the idea we are letting the fresh water from the Mitchell flow into the sea and are sucking in salt water into the de sal plant which is only 100 miles away .
The Mitchell River was low , like every other river , VicLocal . Same with all the other dams and weirs . Someone mentioned to me today that the Thompson Dam ( our most important ) is 80% full .
Sounds you are like all the other thick people who said that there is no point damming the Mitchell because the river is not flowing . Over the last 10-15 years it has probably flooded 3-5 times .
A good idea 10 years ago , especially water related , can STILL be a good idea today .
Carpetman -you say " Dams will be a component of future energy storage but as closed loop systems and not on river. "
It might take a while to fill a dam that's not on a river or some other water carriage way . How long and which dam in Vic is fed this way ?
The Mitchell has flooded approx every three years .
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