Climate Change
Young fella.....
Thanks for the anatomy of hair pluckin' and the origins of their roots...
I've been around for a while......
That's why I shower when I do it because, "you can't cry underwater"
Anyway AndyM.......i'm looking sharp
Some one should measure climate change tonight because it's heating up here bro......[ probably the candles ]
Hope you're getting a few waves AndyM
haha AndyM, good one
True story, swear to god.
AndyM and slug, I was Talking about a beautiful night with my wife.......happily married to an absolute stunner for many years so I try to tidy myself up every now and then......on a scale she is a glorious 9.5
and I am a rugged and rough 6 ish.....plus I was making jest in darkish times with my last posts....
I said eyebrows not eyelashes andyM so your little gay inclined response was piss weak........but it did wake me up to the invisible Facebook angle you blokes hide in.
I have been looking for a reason to finally log out and here it is.
But take comfort in knowing you and slug boy are not the only twits on this site.
Anyway.... to Stu,Blowin,superfreak,zen spykan, shortisim , Tbb, udo , freeride , VJ and the rest of the very solid true surfing Stalwarts, total, complete and utter respect. X 1000
Vic local,roadkill , hutchy and more recently Connie and the rest of the twit club.......man never walked on the moon, 911 was an inside job, COVID is a draconian trap you are falling into and climate change is a hoax and part of an elite agenda.......stick that in ya billy and smoke it.......wake up.....and arguing or debating these things with you crew is pointless.
What the fuck happened to real surfers.....we should be proud of our unique lifestyle and knowledge but some of the crew on here are mere puppets with surfboards.....the surfing soul is now in the hands of fools...... or it is becoming extinct.
After a couple of peaceful wines with my beautiful soul partner she suggested I tell you how I feel and there it is.......posting on a never ending cycle of tripe topics is a waste of time and actually any meaningful or wise contribution disappears like words in a howling southerly.
Kind regards
Megzee
I am disappointed in myself that I have made you feel this way Megzee .
Will take it on the chin and will try and change the way I communicate .
Your wife sounds very cool and you sound lucky .
Jeez megzee, that took an unexpected turn.
I just wrote this on another thread . Always willing to have a hard look/question myself and my views .
Thanks Craig . Also thanks for posting that audio re the IPCC models . I learnt a lot ( have also done some additional research ) and now question my previous view re CO2 having no influence . I will do more work .
Saw a video on the huge warming period 55-60 million years ago . Went into detail of Ice Ages cycles and warm periods ie the big influences . It showed that smaller cycles could happen ( this one was 300000 years ) and their theory was CO2 changes . They were not sure what caused it though .
AndyM wrote:Jeez megzee, that took an unexpected turn.
Not speaking for megzee , but he did day he’d had a few wines , he may be a bit stressed with being away from his parents for so long now .
megzee wrote:..man never walked on the moon, 911 was an inside job, COVID is a draconian trap you are falling into and climate change is a hoax and part of an elite agenda......
Megzee
Trying not to be judgmental here, but wow.
Re the mine rehabilitation. Standard procedure for many years was once a big mining company had made its millions then it would sell off the mine, and it’s rehab requirements, to a junior explorer which invariably goes went bust and the mine wasn’t cleaned up.
Also happens with oil and gas. Supafreak or Megzee you were up in the north west and might have heard of Woodside selling the North Endeavour platform off once the reserves were almost gone to a junior company who have no cash. So it’s now going to be us, the taxpayers, spending $200M! To fix it all up, while Woodside and it’s profits walks away.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/taxpayers-on-hook-for-oil-policy-fa...
Government is now trying to change the policy though and I think it is currently in the senate.
@Indo, cleaning up big open cut mines is a bit more complex than pushing the sides in and letting it fill up with water. Whether it’s minerals or coal, the surrounding rock is typically also enriched in heavy metals or sulphides so there are nasty leachates coming out of the rock into the water. Let alone the tailings dams full of metals, cyanide, acid etc etc which need to be some how contained.
Thanks for that distracted , good scam selling off to a company that’s got no money and goes bust .
This is cool, all-electric flight, toward carbon-zero, the Rolls-Royce Spirit of Innovation:
Particularly stoked here as it's styling evokes the famous racing monoplanes of the 1930s. Once more shining aluminium is the way of the future.
Surprised it still quite noisy.
Never going to be realistic for commercial flights though, problem is battery weight and batteries dont get lighter during flights like fuel does, Green hydrogen will be the future for commercial planes.
Don't be so sure Indo, there's a lot of work going on in this field.
For example : https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/723119
Very interesting stuff for sure.
Wouldn't be surprised if the green hydrogen supplants batteries in some uses, or if battery tech jumps a paradigm eg graphene or other. Presently, if lithium at current densities replaced every car, I think I read the vehicle fleet of the UK alone would take all the lithium, never mind other countries. But the genie is out of the bottle, and hopefully some very clever battery or fuel-cell tech wins the day.
I can see heavy industry and transport using hydrogen like shipping, aviation, earthworks, larger trucks, railways unless electrified.
And batteries focussed more on domestic type things or lighter industry, cars, motor bikes, light trucks, recreational boating, smaller things like fork lifts, bob cats, small excavators etc
Indo, batteries have already made into smaller ferries..
"Records continued to tumble on Australia’s main electricity grid on Monday, with the share of renewable energy smashing through 60 per cent for the first time, just a day after it had set a new record of 59.8 per cent."
From same article "It is also predicting that rooftop solar could meet up to 75 per cent of demand on the entire main grid at certain times over the next five years, and is preparing the national grid to accommodate times of up to 100 per cent wind and solar by 2025."
https://reneweconomy.com.au/records-smashed-as-renewables-break-through-...
Old Twiggy knows how to make a buck , this looks huge . https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/24/sun-cables-huge-sola...
Indo, saw the stats the other day….seems like we are going to blitz the field without signing up to stupid agreements and controls by foreign powers. If we stay on track for our billion trees program as well , we will certainly be a good example to others. It’s the beauty of action instead of all talk and it’s the people that change the world not governments signing papers in foreign lands.
Optimist wrote:Indo, saw the stats the other day….seems like we are going to blitz the field without signing up to stupid agreements and controls by foreign powers. If we stay on track for our billion trees program as well , we will certainly be a good example to others. It’s the beauty of action instead of all talk and it’s the people that change the world not governments signing papers in foreign lands.
Kinda energy makes up 50% of emissions, next biggest is transport 15% & agriculture 15%
And still a long way to go overcome the intermicity issues the times when wind doesn't blow and its dark, but yeah we are well ahead of where most Aussies think we are, im not sure why the media paints things as they do, it's weird.
The good thing is its natural growth driven by good economics thats the kind of thing you want rather than spinning some artificial tangled web trying to proper things up.
BTW. came across something unexpected in regard to electric cars this week.
In Vic Labor state government as most would know are putting a electric vehicle tax based on odometer readings.
While in NSW a LNP state government they are putting any type of electric car user tax on hold for 6 years and actually giving buyers $3,000 and scrapping stamp duty on electric cars purchased to encourage take up.
It's weird the policies of both parties are the exact opposite of what you might expect.
@Craig , have you heard much about this potential solar storm ? Sure would cause kaos globally if it does happen . https://www.livescience.com/solar-storm-internet-apocalypse. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/could-a-solar-storm-cause-most-massive-int...
Indo, the answer to night time generation has always been there. As I’ve talked about before, all current petrol or diesel cars can be fitted with a second battery and when you get home at night you simply plug your car into the wall and through a small inverter transfer the excess power to the grid from that battery. Millions of cars charging the grid every night and day and getting a few cents per KW hour as well is a no brainer.
Optimist wrote:Indo, the answer to night time generation has always been there. As I’ve talked about before, all current petrol or diesel cars can be fitted with a second battery and when you get home at night you simply plug your car into the wall and through a small inverter transfer the excess power to the grid from that battery. Millions of cars charging the grid every night and day and getting a few cents per KW hour as well is a no brainer.
-Except the big problem is in the future there will be no petrol cars.
-Plus why would anyone invest big money in a battery in a petrol driven car? (off course you need a battery to hold much more energy than just a standard car battery)
-Where do you fit these much larger batteries in these cars?
-The energy needed to charge a home at night is much larger than the energy you can produce from just a drive to work, the energy generated for a car battery is very different its small, its only to start a car.
-Whats the point of burning petrol to create energy?...defies the whole point.
In regard to electric cars and using battery to power the grid at night, yeah sure some people will have access to charge their car during the day and will be able to plug in and use that energy, but its a bit silly last thing you want to do is wake up in the morning to go to work and your battery is low.
Plus most people wont have access to energy to recharge during the day or have long commutes to work, so need a full battery on the way to work and way home, hence will charge overnight.
My friends have a Telsla and when they come home they plug it in to recharge at night, not the other way around.
There is heaps of other more realistic systems of storage but currently the incentive is not there to invest in storage compared to just investing in producing solar energy because panels are cheap compared to batteries and energy prices high during peak periods so better returns all round.
On the flip side the cost of storage is far far greater and the rewards for most of the night is low. (off peak prices)
Only when we hit close to 100% renewables during the day and prices companies get paid drop or more realistically dont increase will we see big investment in storage logically in the future night time prices will actually be higher than day time prices, not due to demand but due to supply, further helping investment in storage.
Also the car won't start in the morning when wanting to head to the beach or work .
A few weeks ago i turned up at my friends place pretty early in the morning and his wife went to go to work jumped in the tesla and the battery was close to empty as they forgot to plug it in to recharge overnight, so she had to take his petrol driven car instead and he had to recharge her tesla for and hour or so before he could go anywhere, so it does happen.
Indo, My idea is for the “now”…petrol and diesel cars will be around for many years to come. The power stored in a second battery in the boot or under the bonnet only collects excess energy as your car always generates more than it needs in just your daily running around. The second battery is a few hundred bucks and has a blocking diode to stop it being discharged. Ask any off-roader …most already have the set up in. An inexpensive lead and approved inverter on the wall and your getting paid to discharge that second battery into the grid…similar to any motor home which has the same 240v inverter set up. It would pay for itself in no time and solve the night storage issue.
Some interesting insights into hydrogen power in this video. If what he is proposing comes to fruition it will be a game changer
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=twiggy+forrest+boye...
The constant decline of Arctic sea ice in the Laptev Sea, 2021 was a record low for August,.
The dramatic decline of #Arctic sea ice in the Laptev Sea over the satellite-era... 2021 was a record low for August 📉
— Zack Labe (@ZLabe) September 27, 2021
[Map of the Laptev Sea region (near Siberia): https://t.co/QJzA0sLzfs). Data from @NSIDC.] pic.twitter.com/F2PIASfCfH
try this one 2030....https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/greenland-ice-shee...
rather ironic as I have just been asked to do a questionnaire for our local problem here on Sea Level rise and the affects on Bells.......
Fort Denison in Sydney harbour has shown that the rise in sea levels have been stable . No change since the reversal in the last Ice Age .
3 to 4 inches every 100 years for the last few thousand years .
"The mean sea level trend is 0.65 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.10 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from 1886 to 2010 which is equivalent to a change of 0.21 feet in 100 years."
Brutus - just copy and paste the same responses from 100 years ago and you should be right .
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.shtml...
"3 to 4 inches every 100 years for the last few thousand years ."
Hutchy, maybe you would like to post the data missing from your claim. The data in your link starts at 1890 and is extrapolated back along the trend line a bit further but that still leaves you well short of a few thousand years.
Thanks Indo, nothing much seems to have changed.
We are now onto the fourth wave of a conservative attack on the credibility of science that started around 50 years ago. The first wave was the use of the advertising industry to cast doubt on the findings about smoking and cancer. The second wave was the efforts by fundamentalist Christian groups to discredit evolution by falsifying evidence. The third, and biggest, wave has been the huge propaganda effort to discredit climate change. The fourth wave is the present campaign against the evidence for vaccination. The cumulative effects of these efforts will enable further disruptions in the future and push the culture further along its regression to superstition.
If the vaccination science was so strong they wouldn’t have to muzzle any dissenting voices within the medical community.
https://www.ahpra.gov.au/documents/default.aspx?record=WD21/30750&dbid=A...
“Any promotion of anti-vaccination statements or health advice which contradicts the best available scientific evidence or seeks to actively undermine the national immunisation campaign (including via social media) is not supported by National Boards and may be in breach of the codes of conduct and subject to investigation and possible regulatory action.“
Don’t question the authority!
And the relevance of that to climate change is....?
Oh wait, I get it. Grievance.
JQ wrote:And the relevance of that to climate change is....?
Oh wait, I get it. Grievance.
Says the fella that literally posts nothing but grievances and has nothing to say beyond criticising other posters.
How about you try contributing something more than bile, bloke?
The above comment was in reference to the preceding comment. Completely relevant. Today I’ve posted about birds, surf clips and fuck knows what else. What’ve you ever contributed beyond snark?
Don’t be that bloke, bloke.
Sore spot eh! I'm just amused really.
Don't put it up if you don't want criticism.
Morrison’s net zero plan: how the media will react
By Bernard Keane and Crikey [Satire alert]
"How will a mainstream media characterised by obsession with personalities, a lack of policy substance and a focus on surface issues respond to Morrison's coming climate policy? We think we have a good idea.
Not merely have we found Scott Morrison’s net zero plan wafting back from a short time in the future, but we’ve also caught a glimpse of how the media covered it.
The Australian:
“Scott Morrison has fundamentally changed Australia’s economic trajectory and singlehandedly ended Australia’s climate wars, which have contributed to the defeat of five prime ministers before him, including the mighty John Howard.
“His ZERO plan is at once a political masterstroke and work of policy genius that will prevent growing international hysteria over climate from affecting our exports, while preserving regional and blue-collar jobs. There is no doubt that Morrison will go down as one of Australia’s greatest prime ministers for this achievement alone.”
Nine's The Sydney Morning Herald/The Age:
“Scott Morrison has been happy to let the impression of him struggling to deal with the Nationals on climate continue. Insiders have explained that it served as cover while he and his team did the hard work of assembling a package that would get the Nationals over the line.
“Far from being an impediment to a deal that many left-wing critics maintained, the return of Barnaby Joyce to the deputy prime ministership was, according to sources close to Morrison, crucial for the prime minister — if he could deliver Joyce, he could be sure even the most aggressive Nats would fall into line. While the headlines focused on clashes between ministers, Morrison’s top advisers identified what would deliver Joyce and set about getting it.
“And far from being the bumbling, incoherent buffoon he presents as in the media, Joyce proved a sharp negotiator who played his cards well — but knew when he’d got the best deal he could. It’s a triumph of coalition politics.
“Scott Morrison has brilliantly wedged Labor and set himself up for a clear run to the election with his net zero deal, which at a stroke removes a major source of tension within the Coalition and puts the spotlight on Labor’s climate policy, which has torn that party apart.
“Voters now know what Morrison will do on climate and how he will do it — in direct contrast to Labor, which continues to bicker among itself over both the goals and mechanisms for achieving them. Nor can Labor object to the essentials of Morrison’s ZERO plan — it was Kevin Rudd, after all, who hailed carbon capture and storage as an important answer to climate change; it is Labor that has constantly called for a ‘just transition’ for regional workers and Labor has backed both inland rail and its extension to Gladstone.”
The Australian Financial Review:
“While the Australian Financial Review has long advocated the market mechanism of a carbon price to achieve the important task of emissions reduction — albeit not the flawed models previously advanced by Labor governments — the need for a resolution to Australia’s longstanding, politically paralysing climate wars has become of increasing urgency. Scott Morrison’s commitment to net zero by 2050 brings those climate wars to an end in a definitive fashion — albeit at a high cost to the budget.
“Nonetheless, the plan deserves a guarded welcome given it will remove climate change from the political agenda in favour of more important issues such as corporate tax cuts, labour market deregulation and greater incentives to invest in Australia. It will also ensure that Australia is not punished by protectionist measures such as the carbon tariffs under consideration by the European Union. It has taken too long and cost too much, but Scott Morrison has finally caught up with the rest of the world on climate.”
Nine/Seven/Ten News:
“Scott Morrison will take centre stage with other world leaders at the Glasgow climate conference later this month after finalising a deal that will see Australia producing zero greenhouse emissions in 2050. The package, negotiated with National leader Barnaby Joyce, will see $19 billion in new investment for regional Australia, and sets Australia up to lead the world in the fight against climate change. We cross live now to…”
ABC TV news:
“Regional Australia is set for a windfall of investment and jobs as a result of the Morrison government’s $19 billion Zero Emission Renewables Opportunities plan, which will see Australia reach net zero emissions by 2050 via new technologies. Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the plan is good for jobs, good for the environment and will contribute to the global effort to reduce emissions — and he’s backed by Nationals Leader Barnaby Joyce.”
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/09/29/morrisons-net-zero-plan-how-the-med...
Connie - you cut and paste others views on all topics . Do you have of your own ?
Nice of you to provide a summary of the mainly left leaning media ( will say the Australian is middle ) .
Seems like a generally positive response . Has lead with a new way to tackle this issue which was a previous negative for his party . Found a common ground which Labor will not be able to do within their own party or the Greens .
Even Pelosi was singing his praises on his recent trip to the US .
Has sent the agenda for an election and seems to have built a solid foundation .
Hutchy, just looking at your little comment above - from the "mainly left leaning media/The Australian is middle" (and no, I don't want to know what your - no doubt - idiosyncratic definitions of what left & right entail. Maybe someone does?? Knock yourself out!) to your "generally positive response" (that doesn't exist, as yet, in reality. That's the point of Keane's whole exercise!) - it's obvious we're not sharing any recognisable geography, or even speaking the same language.
Love your work on here though, Hutchy. Always the intent - the 'why' - rather than the content - the 'what'.
Keep up the sterling 'holding a mirror up to our society' work (on here as well as the wider non-Swellnet community), cobber.
Someone on here will always have the time to pay you the requisite attention you seek. 24/7. Remember, you're not alone!
Yew!
Constance, sounds like Morrison has done a backroom deal to kick the can down the road and piss money up against the wall on unproven technologies like carbon capture. The palaeoconservatives of the National Party are unlikely to have supported any actual effort to reduce emissions. And if he takes centre stage at the Climate Conference it will only be to provide an opportunity for the delegates to pelt him with rotten fruit. He might fool the local journos and that section of the population suffering from terminal complacency. He might even fool Boris and Biden, but he won't fool the majority of the delegates.
Most of the worlds media is left leaning Connie ( maybe an obscure country like Singapore is not ) . Especially the global media .
Same as most of the institutions . Schools /Uni/ Government service/Courts etc . The military not so much .
You said -" to your "generally positive response" (that doesn't exist, as yet, in reality. " . Der Fred . I was talking about the articles views .
Reality will be disclosed at the next election and not before . Although the losers won't recognise the reality like our last election .The Greens said it was the Climate Change election and Qld told them to F..k Off . They hate being told what to do .
Your smart with words . What is a person that seeks negative "pay you the requisite attention you seek. 24/7." I think I am antimacassar person but could be deluding myself .
Hutchy 19 wrote:Most of the worlds media is left leaning Connie ( maybe an obscure country like Singapore is not ) . Especially the global media .
It is?
Maybe you'd consider it cultural left, or progressive left, or as the subscriber to the fantastic Macrobusiness website calls it, the fake left.
Very little media, particularly here in Oz, is economic left. In fact, none of the high circ mastheads are.
carbon capture... what a disaster...
the media excerpts above... how nauseating...
labor... cooked...
cooked beyond done...
morrison just picked em at the post... totally... as labor turned around to run the other way...
bahahahahahaha
as they say... you couldn't make this stuff up...
i really really do not intend to be so mean to labor... but seriously... they literally cannot win a trick... they are a rudderless tanker with a blind albatros at the wheel...
what a sad sad state of affairs for australia
Hutchy 19 wrote:Most of the worlds media is left leaning Connie ( maybe an obscure country like Singapore is not ) . Especially the global media .
Same as most of the institutions . Schools /Uni/ Government service/Courts etc . The military not so much .
You said -" to your "generally positive response" (that doesn't exist, as yet, in reality. " . Der Fred . I was talking about the articles views .
Reality will be disclosed at the next election and not before . Although the losers won't recognise the reality like our last election .The Greens said it was the Climate Change election and Qld told them to F..k Off . They hate being told what to do .
Your smart with words . What is a person that seeks negative "pay you the requisite attention you seek. 24/7." I think I am antimacassar person but could be deluding myself .
True in a big part for the developed world (maybe not governments though), but not developing world, most developing world media, governments and people are conservatives.
But yeah in the last 20 years especially the last ten there has been a big shift especially in media and social media, how Trump was treated by media and social media giants is a great example. (Hunter Biden banning on social media, cancelling of Trump from social media, Trump would have had a much stringer chance if he hasn't been canceled from Twitter etc)
I listened to this the other day by Podcast but i remember much of it was along these lines, all their podcast/videos are excellent.
Just skimming through it at least listen to about 5:00
Stu- "Very little media, particularly here in Oz, is economic left. In fact, none of the high circ mastheads are."
The only media that is right leaning in Australia is Murdoch ( and he often picks the other side ) and Sky ( of the ones I watch or read ).
All Fairfax ( Age and AFR ) all the TV stations , ABC and SBS radio and TV are way left imo .
I have read the AFR for 30 years and just because it is finance related doesn't mean it is right .
Hutchy 19 wrote:Stu- "Very little media, particularly here in Oz, is economic left. In fact, none of the high circ mastheads are."
The only media that is right leaning in Australia is Murdoch ( and he often picks the other side ) and Sky ( of the ones I watch or read ).
All Fairfax ( Age and AFR ) all the TV stations , ABC and SBS radio and TV are way left imo .
I have read the AFR for 30 years and just because it is finance related doesn't mean it is right .
You just said The Australian is in the middle. Do you know who owns that rag mate?
As for the ones you mentioned being "way left", yeah, not even close.
stunet wrote:Hutchy 19 wrote:Most of the worlds media is left leaning Connie ( maybe an obscure country like Singapore is not ) . Especially the global media .
It is?
Maybe you'd consider it cultural left, or progressive left, or as the subscriber to the fantastic Macrobusiness website calls it, the fake left.
Very little media, particularly here in Oz, is economic left. In fact, none of the high circ mastheads are.
Majestic Macrobusiness?
Too strong?
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