COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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truebluebasher Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 12:50pm

40 wealthiest Vaxed VIP nations (vs) 40 poorest Vaxed Mutant Nations
Omicron Variant Peaks > Cases/day + Deaths/day
Top 40 (74%- 98%) vs Poor 40 Vax (0-22%)

VIPs accuse hesitants for conjuring up Mutant Variants & spreading virus & ban them entry or travel.
They mandate Vax and ban own unvaxed from entry / travel / work / education / media / society.
Expert's unfold & quote 2 year old mouldy lab notes but #1 Best mega Vax data says otherwise.

Omicron - 40 Low Vaxed Nations > 155,890 cases/day (Avg 3,897/d) + 706 deaths/d (Avg 17.6/d)
24 / 40 Nation's Omicron peak infections were kept beneath previous variant peaks.
38 / 40 Nation's Omicron peak Deaths were kept beneath previous variant peaks
These 2 being Islands Madagasgar & Solomon Is > near last in line for WHO Health supplies.
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Omicron -40 highest Vaxed Nations > 3,671,700 cases/day ( 94,043/d) + 23,771 deaths/d (Avg 187.4/d)
3 / 40 Boosted nations fought off Omicron to lesser peak than previous Variants (Mass Big Pharma fail!)
3 are also Islands UAE + Cuba / Taiwan > WHO rate Top 10-40 Health + Not Big Pharma fans!
UAE mix in Russian/Chinese Vax + Cuba (May) & Taiwan (July) Brew their own Vax.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cuba/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/

37 / 40 Highest "Big Pharma Vax" Spiked endless record infectious Omicron Peaks.
11 / 40 of these Big Pharma Nations sadly spiked new WR Peak Death rates thru Omicron
8 of Top 17 ( Around 50% ) Highest boosted Vaxed Nations suffer greatest rate of Covid deaths

Wealthier Nations greed ensures their Vax Pop / Density is much higher as to deprived Unvaxed.
tbb included a World Pop/Dense chart...to compare Nation like Nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_densi...

To compensate pop/density... tbb will add Nations ranked by progressive > cases / 1m + deaths / 1m
Theoretically give even now higher Vaxed nations a chance to present efficacy in a better light. (cough!)
Click Countries > [ Columns ] tbb excluded Tax territories not included in Top 40 Nations
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Lowest 40 Vaxed Nations current cases + deaths / 1m
0/40 > No high cases spreaders > Solomon Is (Rank 63) + Burundi (Rank 97)
0/40 > There are 4 Low vaxed Nations in Deaths Ranked 50's-80's

Lowest 40 Cases (Around half feature but many don't currently register under .1/1m)
Lowest 40 Nations Deaths don't register under .01/m
Just sayin' that no vax = no covid is bread'n'butter for Low vaxed...knock yerselves out...
Can list as many as ya like...more ya look, the more ya find ... wotz the point!
These guys don't go to that extreme...nor will we!
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Highest 40 Vaxed Nations cases & deaths / 1m
23 /40 rank in Highest current cases / 1m > (5 in Top 10) or (17 in Top 28) The most infectious on Earth.
All the other Top 40 spots are taken by next highest vaxed & high vaxed + sister Island Tax Havens.

Lowest 40 case rank > Home brew Nations > China + Taiwan sneak into the 40 with next being Cuba .
Can review that above...

19 / 40 rank in highest deaths ( 5 in Top 10 ) or (11 in Top 20 ) 20 Vaxed nations have a stench of Death.
Lowest 40 deaths don't register under .1/m

National > State
3 Top 40 Nations shared DATA revealing Highest Vaxed are currently infecting above Pandemic rates
UK + NZ are opening up to invite unvaxed to mop up their Artificially Vax ramped pandemic rate .
NZ Mass Vax twin spikes > months later...coming back to haunt them...Wot 2 do?
Experts > Panic > paratroop unvaxed into Hot Spots to cool the Pandemic back to normal unvaxed rate.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
Australia took the censorship approach by discontinuing the last revealing Data (Problem is Sorted!)

Clearly by International / National / State comparison...Vax is recycling the Pandemic to sell more Vax!
Data screams only Vaxed Nations suffered higher Omicron wave...unvaxed lowered their infection rate.
Note UK / NZ / NSW / SA any / all Full National Data recorded Unvaxed lowering Covid mid Omicron.

Home brews also slowed Covid > Meaning the current Pandemic can only be a construct of Big Pharma.
Say wot ya like...it's all out there on the table & pretty much only Big Pharma is dinning out.

Unvaxed & home brews cured Covid a long way back...now just mop heads for Big Pharma's new wave.
Govt Vax Experts peddlin' lower infection lies are putting lives at risk & must come clean, then resign.
Experts prolonging the Pandemic to profiteer off the sick are enemies of the state...Sack them All!

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sypkan Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 1:21pm
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I wonder if burleigh has noticed he is the last clown standing...the lone anti vax moron left. Just an irrelevant voice no one takes any notice of. lol

annnnnnnnnnd...

in the other corner...

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zenagain Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 1:25pm

Ha ha!

Zing!

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Roadkill Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 1:41pm
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Roadkill wrote:

I wonder if burleigh has noticed he is the last clown standing...the lone anti vax moron left. Just an irrelevant voice no one takes any notice of. lol

annnnnnnnnnd...

in the other corner...

ya back Sypkan...lay some conspiracy on us? lol

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burleigh Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 2:06pm
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:
Roadkill wrote:

I wonder if burleigh has noticed he is the last clown standing...the lone anti vax moron left. Just an irrelevant voice no one takes any notice of. lol

annnnnnnnnnd...

in the other corner...

ya back Sypkan...lay some conspiracy on us? lol

What do you think is a conspiracy Toady?

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Supafreak Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 6:03pm

Australia’s Biosecurity Emergency Determination to end

25 March 2022

The Australian Government has announced the Biosecurity Emergency Determination relating to COVID-19 will not be renewed when it expires on 17 April 2022.

From 18 April, you won’t need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test to enter Australia, prior boarding your flight.

Restrictions on the entry of cruise vessels into and within Australian territory will also lapse.

When leaving, or travelling to, Australia you’ll still be required to

provide proof of double vaccination against COVID-19
wear a mask in airports and on board international flights.
These measures will be implemented under non-emergency provisions of the Biosecurity Act.

Foreign governments, airlines and Australian states and territories may have different vaccination and testing requirements to Australia. Before you travel

check the state and territory requirements for inbound travellers
contact your airline to confirm their policies on vaccination and testing
read the travel advice for your destination and transit locations.
Read the full statement on the Department of Health website. https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/news-and-updates/biosecurity-emergency-...

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Supafreak Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 6:22pm

Clive Palmer refused ICU treatment while battling COVID-19 in favour of taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/clive-palmer-refus...

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truebluebasher Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 6:42pm

UK BA.2 Breakthru Rates Thru to 20th March...(Released Yesterday)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
13th March BA.2 - Week 1 (Infection Rate increases)
Unvaxed = 0.78%
1/2 Dose = No infection rate rise. (Last week tbb was keen to check this week's 2nd Dose rate )
Boosters = 13.64%

20th March BA.2 Week 2 (Infection Rate Increase)
Unvaxed = 15.97%
1 Dose = No rise
2nd Dose = 12.57% (First rise in 9 weeks)
Boosters = 27.91% (Note Qld CHO is citing 54% in 2 weeks)
(Again...we share this because if Unvaxed / 2nd Dose double their weekly rise > Buy bog rolls!)
We'd have to consider that No / 2 dose / Boosters will infect 27% wk rise equally by Peak.

Note Booster breakthrus are the current Hot Group & waning peak hits April/May.
How Big? Mass 2nd dose Peak 235k (Dark green) > Mass Booster Peak 265k (Purple Peak) Huge!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine...

Take care & we'll know better next week if No / 2nd dose can hold out.
tbb is not pointing bones...this be an olive branch ...happy to share ... mind how ya go!
Here is the upcoming Overall risk level as we know it...but this too will change soon.

Adult UK Infection Break Down...highlights just how Hot Boosters are!
No Vax 30.5% > 7.01% infections
1 Dose > .05% infections
Partial > 1.97% infections
2 Dose 65.2% > 11.78% infections
Boosters 50.8% > 79.17% infections (Warning!) > 28.37% above their Vax Rate.
tbb alerted to this (above) Experts must stop pouring premium VIP Fuel to ignite Pandemic.
Crew all know this deadly Mass Panic Vax policy is gonna blow us all sky high...again & again!

Salute UK Health for uncensored Commonwealth Public Covid Vax Data Service.

Bonus NZ Data (Today) highlights current record Vax Peaks from (Lowest > Highest)
Unvaxed > Boosters > Partial > 2nd Dose ( Best to keep an eye on Partial & uprising 2nd Dose )
From Peak down > 2nd Dose (Fastest Drop) then > Partial > Boosters > No Vax levels downward.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/covid-19/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-...

Cheers Cuz for the Ditch Data...sweet!

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tylerdurden Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 7:01pm

Love him or hate him, the Clive Palmer case is fascinating Supafreak.
Hopefully Blindboy and VicLocal etc can see the unique set of circumstances here and assess them with an open mind.

By all definitions, he is high risk of death from Covid.
Unvaccinated, obese, over 60.

The missing details are the key.
If he did indeed discharge against medical advice then the exact details of his medical condition at the time of discharge is critical.
If he indeed was at the crossroads whereby the treating doctors were recommending intubation and then at this point he self discharged and ultimately survived, well that is frankly extraordinary and very rare.
Additionally, what treatment he had had previously and was sent home with is critical.
I'm guessing he had monoclonal antibodies, plus dexamethasone, budesonide and maybe remdesivir. But the key info is what treatment he had, whether he responded to that treatment and whether he then subsequently deteriorated, thus necessitating the recommendation for intubation.
If he was indeed deteriorating at the time of self discharge then managed to survive, well in my opinion that is incredibly rare.
The subsequent treatment he had after he left hospital is hopefully well documented and really his case should be written up in the medical literature.
Again, forget the guy, I don't agree with a lot of his politics.

But if he truly was recommended to be intubated, chose to self discharge then took alternative treatment then the world needs to know about it because obviously there may be some valuable learning to be had there, which in turn may save some lives

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Supafreak Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 7:12pm

@tylerdurden , yes it would be good to read a factual report on everything that happened before during and after. Unfortunately I doubt we will ever get the full truth of exactly what happened and everything that was administered. He is definitely a prime candidate to not survive . Haven’t heard anything from Professor Borody lately and no further news on his submission to the TGA . I see Professor Petrovsky is in trouble again and has been fined $13000+ for advertising a unapproved vaccine ? I read the other day that the Oxford trials for ivermectin may not have results published until 2023 and the same for the Active 6 trials. It’s a pity we never did our own trials.

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tylerdurden Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 7:57pm

Yes Supa, it’s fuel for the fire for a conspiracy theorist. However, all the points you make are true and well documented of course.
Hopefully Borody or others involved wrote up the Palmer case and publish it.

Re the Oxford trial, that one has got me flummoxed. Ran out of Ivermectin in January???
Not enough case numbers between June and Dec?? Able to be enrolled 14 days post onset of symptoms when most cases are fully resolved (even Delta) in less than 14 days??
Oxford are also producing their own AZ vaccine, why would they want to show a treatment reduces the need for their own vaccine??
Crazy stuff but I’ll bet a dollar that the Principle trial will show a trend towards Ivermectin benefit but not reach statistical significance.
What the hell, it’s only a dollar
All legit questions

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burleigh Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 8:18pm
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Australia’s Biosecurity Emergency Determination to end

25 March 2022

The Australian Government has announced the Biosecurity Emergency Determination relating to COVID-19 will not be renewed when it expires on 17 April 2022.

From 18 April, you won’t need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test to enter Australia, prior boarding your flight.

Restrictions on the entry of cruise vessels into and within Australian territory will also lapse.

When leaving, or travelling to, Australia you’ll still be required to

provide proof of double vaccination against COVID-19
wear a mask in airports and on board international flights.
These measures will be implemented under non-emergency provisions of the Biosecurity Act.

Foreign governments, airlines and Australian states and territories may have different vaccination and testing requirements to Australia. Before you travel

check the state and territory requirements for inbound travellers
contact your airline to confirm their policies on vaccination and testing
read the travel advice for your destination and transit locations.
Read the full statement on the Department of Health website. https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/news-and-updates/biosecurity-emergency-...

Still discriminating against the people who chose not to be vaccinated.
Why the fuck can you leave Australia having 2 whacks 6 months ago with zero protection?

But an unwhacked can’t?

Say or think what you want about the personal choice of someone to not get it, but surely EVERYONE can see this is wrong or a number of levels

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udo Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 8:22pm

Zero protection ??

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truebluebasher Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 8:23pm

Thanx for excellent updates crew...see if we can suss out an Emergency Plan.
There is a bit of power play at hand...possibly about Emergency election process.

Vic > Dan's Call "We'll phone you!"
WA every 14 days
SA Monthly

Wotz New! Some States seem to be downsizing 90 days for Monthly Gigs!

26th March NSW (Tomorrow) Tip! Sign for 1 month extension to cover Easter
11th April Tasmania ( Maybe 1 month extension thru Easter )
17th April Feds come to an end Easter Sunday (Possible Election Period Rule?) Vax Mandate stays!
22nd April NT re-signed yesterday for 1 extra month (Note: From 90 days > 1 month for Easter!)
13th May ACT (Are on 90 Days)
24th June Qld (Are on 90 days)
NT / NSW / Tas are maybe reducing 90 days > Similar to monthly SA Emergency Powers
Feds/ Natcab look to be Teaming up for Phase D winding Covid down...
Emergency covers Easter Peak Covid & not much more...

Note: Emergency Powers may be curtailed & / or exploited during Caretaker Mode.
We might yet see new Emergency kick off with BA.2 Peak - New term Govt...not ruling that out!

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tylerdurden Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 8:38pm

TBB, I predict chaos over the next 6 months.
On the one hand, the government need to use all those vaccines they’ve purchased.
On the other, a quandary in that the disease is now mainly mild and self limiting...and someone high risk like Clive Palmer survives delta without being vaccinated and apparently self discharging from a hospital that recommends he be intubated

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burleigh Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 8:41pm
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Zero protection ??

Yes mate, that’s why we’re onto our 4th or 5th dose. Because it’s “effectiveness” wains VERY quickly. I use effective very loosely.

Prove me otherwise

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Rabbits68 Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 9:47pm

“Unfortunately I doubt we will ever get the full truth of exactly what happened and everything that was administered.”

Exactly supa & that’s the problem. Trust Clive Palmer? Yeah, nah….

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Rabbits68 Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 10:11pm
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Zero protection ??

Yes mate, that’s why we’re onto our 4th or 5th dose. Because it’s “effectiveness” wains VERY quickly. I use effective very loosely.

Prove me otherwise

Contradicted yourself there Burls. Not for first time though. Zero is zero eh?

Anyway, the current recommendation is a 4th dose/second booster/winter dose, call it what you like, for the MOST VULNERABLE in our communities. Do you actually give a fuck about this group? Are you suggesting they should avoid having it? If so, why? If not, why?

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burleigh Friday, 25 Mar 2022 at 11:32pm
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udo wrote:

Zero protection ??

Yes mate, that’s why we’re onto our 4th or 5th dose. Because it’s “effectiveness” wains VERY quickly. I use effective very loosely.

Prove me otherwise

Contradicted yourself there Burls. Not for first time though. Zero is zero eh?

Anyway, the current recommendation is a 4th dose/second booster/winter dose, call it what you like, for the MOST VULNERABLE in our communities. Do you actually give a fuck about this group? Are you suggesting they should avoid having it? If so, why? If not, why?

Sound familiar? That’s what they said about the 3rd/booster and now it’s a must to be “protected” for everyone apparently, yet you still have all your freedoms from 2.

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Michael Adam Saturday, 26 Mar 2022 at 6:26pm

Maybe take it easy on the “vaccine” hesitants ay.
Remember when the US gov told all the kids and their parents in Pakistan to get vaccinated for their safety?
Turns out they just wanted their DNA..
For the greater good of course!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osam...

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udo Saturday, 26 Mar 2022 at 6:35pm

Get Vaxxed Cap the Syringe and take it with home you .

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Maybe take it easy on the “vaccine” hesitants ay.
Remember when the US gov told all the kids and their parents in Pakistan to get vaccinated for their safety?
Turns out they just wanted their DNA..
For the greater good of course!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osam...

That’s not why I’m hesitant, but that sure is a new reason to not trust any government organisation with your health.

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AndyM Saturday, 26 Mar 2022 at 7:27pm

Sounds like no-one cares about the anti-vax movement anymore, it's done.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/25/australias-anti-vaccine-movement-is...

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 26 Mar 2022 at 7:46pm
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Sounds like no-one cares about the anti-vax movement anymore, it's done.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/25/australias-anti-vaccine-movement-is...

Funny how even now some call it an Anti Vax movement it stopped being that about a year or more ago, and morphed into being a much broader movement and more a freedom movement, freedom to choose if people want to be vaxed or not, freedom from lockdowns, freedom from mandates, freedom to participate in society without the need to prove if they are vaxed or not.

But obviously with lockdowns now lifted, borders open and it being extremely rare for a business to ask for proof of being vaccinated and even mask mandates lifted.

Well off course the movement would die down, thats just common sense, but Crikey journalist dont have much common sense i guess.

If next week, it all went back to how things were last year with lockdowns, borders shut, and vax mandates etc you can bet the movement would be bigger than ever.

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AndyM wrote:

Sounds like no-one cares about the anti-vax movement anymore, it's done.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/25/australias-anti-vaccine-movement-is...

The con is over. The scam has come to an end.
For many it was simply a money making opportunity. These pricks will wander off and do nothing until the next opportunity comes around.

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truebluebasher Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 3:12am

Ok! We all know that Europe is on the rise but there is some motion in our own ocean.
Something in the Air ~ Western Pacific Omicron Tsunami rises up...
Shh! (Don't wake our right neighbourly Experts!) Had to poach the EU map...23/03/2022 (Salute!)
Crew might check out our gnarly Pacific Wave...every bit as scary.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/im...

Alert! Pacific Wave is actually reverberating & won't let up...warrants further, detailed inspection.

Mid Jan - Philippines (Record Peak > Death rate stays high & rising end of March)
Early Feb - Timor-Leste (Equal 2nd highest Peak > death is constant)
Early Feb - Japan (Record cases / Death spike > Both spiking again at end of March)
Mid Feb - Indonesia (Record Peak + early March death wave nervously settles)
Mid Feb - PNG (high Peak / high deaths)
End Feb - Cambodia (2nd High peak + Low deaths) *Only Oceanic neighbour to avoid the shockwave!
End Feb - Singapore ( Record Peak cases / Deaths drop & now both rising end of March)

Early March - Solomon Islands (Record cases continue > (Feb) Record Deaths)
Early March - Hong Kong (Record case Peak > Deaths remain at record high at end of March)
Early March - New Zealand (Record Peak is hanging high > record deaths are spiking!)
Early March - Malaysia (Record peak holds high > 2nd highest deaths are still a concern!)
Mid March - Vietnam (Record case Spike still holds high at end of March)
Mid March - South Korea (Record cases Spiking again > Record deaths are skyrocketing end of March)

End March - Taiwan (2nd Highest wave rising end of March)
End March - Thailand ( Record cases & 2nd highest death spike rising )
End March - Australia (2nd highest peak rising + Deaths on the rise )

If it kinda seems our wave is Rising Up...that's coz it is!

Deadly reverberating wave decides when to backwash & on it's own terms.
Notes : *Cambodia stands alone in having a noticeably smaller & less exposed Coastal Climate!
(Well worth considering Weather's role in Tides > Temp > Winds > Rains)

Anyhow! There ya have it...a beast that goes undetected to all but us oceanic minded crew.
Cop a little spray in yer face, did ya! Huey's wake up call to wax up yer Guns for WOTD.

WHO has the Western Pacific Report...help ya choose the right escape pod!
Weekly change 20% or 1m/wk or 6m cases just steamrolled current EU 5.5m boosted cases.
Locked in a Mass Paddle Battle for America's silver 8.5m > Gold Standard EU VIP Vax spike 12m.
https://covid19.who.int/?adgroupsurvey={adgroupsurvey}&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyvCY87SW9AIVY5VLBR3ZqwifEAAYASABEgK5IfD_BwE

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 7:09am
Roadkill wrote:
AndyM wrote:

Sounds like no-one cares about the anti-vax movement anymore, it's done.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/25/australias-anti-vaccine-movement-is...

The con is over. The scam has come to an end.
For many it was simply a money making opportunity. These pricks will wander off and do nothing until the next opportunity comes around.

Yep as you can see by the social media metrics graph no one apart from the hard-core are interested any more.
The graph shows that this disinterest started to occur before the last wave of Covid subsided.
The casual dabbler dipped their toe in, saw it was bullshit and bailed out.

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tylerdurden Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 7:36am

Booster rates are stalling despite cases surging in the last few weeks.
Given the recent strains are so mild maybe punters are deciding the risk benefit analysis is in favour of getting the disease as opposed to getting the booster?
Dunno, will see what happens in the next few weeks

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 8:22am

I’m pro vaccination - I see virtually no risk in getting vaccinations or boosters.
However I have no intention of getting a booster primarily because, at least with omicron, the necessity just doesn’t seem to be there.

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Roadkill Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 8:37am

I have decided not to get a 4th shot at this stage. I am immunocompromised but have decided with Omicron the benefits of a 4th shot don’t warrant getting it. I might get a 4th shot in the future depending on any new variants that may emerge. I am also pro vax.

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Roadkill Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 8:46am
AndyM wrote:

I’m pro vaccination - I see virtually no risk in getting vaccinations or boosters.
However I have no intention of getting a booster primarily because, at least with omicron, the necessity just doesn’t seem to be there.

100% agree.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 9:42am

As you can see from my post above from yesterday, i think the freedom movement had/has some very real concerns and points and while id never join them in the streets, i appreciate the effort they put in to voice these concerns and push back against things.

That said im getting the booster just for that added protection, i dont fear being hospitalised or anything but nobody knows how they will react to Covid until they have it (which i havent yet) so id rather just be bosted to help ensure i dont get sick or min sickness.

My concern isn't so much in Australia but in Indonesia where i think it will always be more of a risk to get especially traveling in airports, planes and on ferries, buses etc and the last thing i want is to ruin my holiday being sick even if for a few days.

I was actually suppose to get the booster during the week, but had the flue real bad so had to reschedule.

And after getting the flue again, im just going to bite the bullet and get the flue jab for the first time too.

So there you go, you can be pro vax but also pro freedom, it's not us against them.

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Roadkill Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 9:47am
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As you can see from my post above from yesterday, i think the freedom movement had/has some very real concerns and points and while id never join them in the streets, i appreciate the effort they put in to voice these concerns and push back against things.

That said im getting the booster just for that added protection, i dont fear being hospitalised or anything but nobody knows how they will react to Covid until they have it (which i havent yet) so id rather just be bosted to help ensure i dont get sick or min sickness.

My concern isn't so much in Australia but in Indonesia where i think it will always be more of a risk to get especially traveling in airports, planes and on ferries, buses etc and the last thing i want is to ruin my holiday being sick even if for a few days.

I was actually suppose to get the booster during the week, but had the flue real bad so had to reschedule.

And after getting the flue again, im just going to bite the bullet and get the flue jab for the first time too.

So there you go, you can be pro vax but also pro freedom, it's not us against them.

You can also be…pro vax and pro freedom and still think the recent antivax/freedom movement was complete bs and the protestors were dickheads and the whole movement was a con job based off lies and uneducated woo woo science promoted via TikTok, instagram and facebook.

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 10:05am

You can definitely be pro vax and pro freedom but the anti-vaxxers took the pro freedom discussion and turned it up to 11 with their right wing American style paranoia and hysteria.

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burleigh Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 11:52am

Not sure this lady will agree with your assessment of the covid vaccine being safe boys

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Michael Adam Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 11:55am

Just a reminder: Long term effects of c19 “vaccines” are still unknown.

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burleigh Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 12:02pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

As you can see from my post above from yesterday, i think the freedom movement had/has some very real concerns and points and while id never join them in the streets, i appreciate the effort they put in to voice these concerns and push back against things.

That said im getting the booster just for that added protection, i dont fear being hospitalised or anything but nobody knows how they will react to Covid until they have it (which i havent yet) so id rather just be bosted to help ensure i dont get sick or min sickness.

My concern isn't so much in Australia but in Indonesia where i think it will always be more of a risk to get especially traveling in airports, planes and on ferries, buses etc and the last thing i want is to ruin my holiday being sick even if for a few days.

I was actually suppose to get the booster during the week, but had the flue real bad so had to reschedule.

And after getting the flue again, im just going to bite the bullet and get the flue jab for the first time too.

So there you go, you can be pro vax but also pro freedom, it's not us against them.

Indo, why would you get the flu jab if you’ve just had the flu?

Same reason I don’t understand people that have had covid will go get their covid boosters with the evidence of immunity.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 12:22pm
burleigh wrote:

Indo, why would you get the flu jab if you’ve just had the flu?

Same reason I don’t understand people that have had covid will go get their covid boosters with the evidence of immunity.

For years i never got the flue, but ever since ive had young kids 8 & 1 1/2 year olds, ive been getting hammered by the flu and im fairly healthy fairly fit, have a dad bod but not obese, but i just seem to get hammered by the flu while my wife who works in aged care has to get the flu jab regularly and she just shrugs it off.

She has been saying you should just get the flue jab for years, and I'm like nah don't need it, but now I'm thinking I'm going to give it a go as just so over getting hammered by the flu.

Maybe it will help for next time, maybe not but I'm willing to give it a go.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 12:28pm
Roadkill wrote:

You can also be…pro vax and pro freedom and still think the recent antivax/freedom movement was complete bs and the protestors were dickheads and the whole movement was a con job based off lies and uneducated woo woo science promoted via TikTok, instagram and facebook.

I think the whole Covid vax paranoia thing was/is pretty silly most of it based on misinformation.

But in regards to the push back against other aspects, like right to choose to be vaxed, mandates, mask wearing, lockdowns etc

I think the movement had some good points, with the beauty of hindsight i think many things went to far and a lot of it wasn't based on science but more pushed by politics.

But each to their own.

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 12:39pm

The thing is Indo, there are plenty of examples in society where each to their own just doesn’t cut the mustard.
Obviously that was pretty much the main factor we were wrangling with during Covid.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 1:20pm

So you don't think people had a right to voice their concerns over.

-The Vaccine?
-Mandates?
-Lockdowns?
- Loss of freedoms?
-Change in laws changing/shifting power?

Or whatever else I've missed.

I personally think the concerns in most cases were real and of value.

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 1:50pm

I think the political aspects were much more open to debate than the scientific and medical aspects.
At the least, when. It first kicked off and we didn’t really know what we were dealing with, I think the idea of each to their own wasn’t reasonable.
By the time of Omicron, it seemed pretty clear what the go was, hence my confidence in not opting for a booster.

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Roadkill Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 3:28pm
burleigh wrote:

Not sure this lady will agree with your assessment of the covid vaccine being safe boys

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CblFJPzh6Y_/?utm_medium=copy_link

Cause of death = Indeterminate.
Had asthma and that is probably the likely cause of death. As far as I can tell there is zero evidence the death was related to the vax. .
Pretty sad no matter what.

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udo Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 5:08pm

How many Anti vaxxers do you know or have seen that are Tattooed...?

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AndyM Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 6:09pm

Heaps of anti-vaxxers around here that will gobble any pill or trip you put in front of them.
Makes total sense.

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udo Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 6:47pm

Refuse a Needle of Lab made Vax but will put an Evil ink into there Body
https://www.savedtattoo.com/ink-poisoning/

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truebluebasher Sunday, 27 Mar 2022 at 7:19pm

Facts show that the Vax Expert's orchestrated the current rise in Vax Hesitancy.

C'mon! How is tbb's misinformation even remotely possible in our brave new world?

27th March 2022
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/covid-19-vaccine-rollou...

16% of eligible Unvaxed Aussies are only half as Hesitant to get their Vax
32.6 % of eligible Vaxed Aussies are more than twice as Hesitant to get their Vax.

Q: Why did having Covid Vaccinations make Aussies twice as unlikely to get a Vax.

Crew & Govts know that Vax hesitancy is on the rise...can't hide that obvious fact
Currently 48.6% hesitants....soon be the majority of Aussies hesitating to Vax...
How will Breaky TV solve the Vax Crisis!
Pretty much looking like most Aussies Hate Covid Vax...Shock! That reflects all pre Vax Polls!

Data clearly shows where any blame lies...doubt if MSM will out the truth...why start now!