Interesting stuff
This is a few days old, but addresses a lot of issues and questions. Kim Hill is a great interviewer, and Chris Smith a great communicator:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018736344/covi...
Pupkin.....I’m not going anywhere for a while. Time to rally around the loved ones. If you’ve got any anyone you care about it might be best to hang close . Particularly if they’re elderly or unhealthy.
Today’s summation of Italy’s situation :
“Of the 1577 people who have the virus in Italy, nearly 800 are in home isolation, 639 in a stable condition in hospital and a further 140 in intensive care.“
I’m assuming that there hundreds , possibly thousands who have the virus but have not admitted they’ve got it , haven’t been diagnosed as such or are asymptomatic . Still, look at those figures....more than a third of known cases hospitalised. Just under ten percent in intensive care. This isn’t “ just a flu “.
The authorities are trying not to panic the population whilst hinting at the steps people should be taking to prepare themselves. The media is being managed and is supporting the government’s approach.
I’d be preparing my family . Even if the supply chain doesn’t fail and the global manufacturing sector doesn’t splutter into nothing ( both of which I feel will happen ) , you won’t want to be out exposing to the virus yourself if you could avoid it and this means running to the shops.
Modern people seem so detached from reality that they struggle to contemplate any challenge to their normal lifestyle. Virtually every generation preceding us has had to face a mortal or civilisational threat in some form or another. This may be ours.
If things go pear shape it will be an interesting case study on which system is best at protecting a community, 'socialist' universal health care system or neoliberal user pays
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/could-covid-19-pandemic-collapse-us-hea...
Here’s a hint ....Xi Jinping has ORDERED the nation back to work. People threatened with persecution if they don’t expose themselves to the viral breeding grounds of their cloistered workshops , offices and factories.
I’d like to see Scomo try that on.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/devastating-data-china-reveals-j...
That the virus is showing reduced infection and mortality rates in children is, for me at least, and I suspect other parents too, some measure of relief. Majority of deaths so far have been elderly people and those with pre-existing conditions. Mean age is 56, with a gender skew towards men.
Take it however you will, but I intend no offence, yet despite what a statistician might say, not all deaths are equal.
Also, a friend is a dock worker and all his colleagues have had to split reduced shifts, with management warning of impending layoffs as sea trade out of China slows. You want an early warning sign of economic drag, then that's it.
And here’s something else I’ve read which may be utter bullshit ....perhaps a learned commenter can correct me ?
Races aren’t genetically identical, despite the modern delusion that race is nothing more than a social construct . Apparently- potential bullshit alert here - some races have a disproportionate prevalence of certain receptors in their lungs and are thus more prone to severe consequence to viral infections . And men are more vulnerable than women.
How true this is is beyond me. Interesting though.
"Races aren’t genetically identical, despite the modern delusion that race is nothing more than a social construct ."
Don't know if it's true or not, but they've been millions of death, attempted genocides, perhaps more heartache and tragedy then the human race has ever known, based on the equally dubious assumption that some races are more inferior than others.
Blowin talking biology.
Stunet talking morality.
Yeah, I’m not sure what you’re getting at Stu.
My point is that the virus might be more detrimental to some races than others. I don’t think the virus gives a rat’s about skin colour or the global history of anthropological conflict.
Far more First Nations people died from incidental exposure to new viral strains than were killed during any frontier war. This may either be a result of previously developed immunities or infinitesimally small physiological differences between races either way ...it matters. Does it matter in this context with this virus ?
Though not intended, the phrase "the modern delusion that race is nothing more than a social construct" has a whiff of value judgement. It's also the embarkation point for every white supremacist that wanted to justify their stance.
Anyway, carry on...
Oh bullshit .
Pinpoint the “ whiff of value judgment “.
And here’s a heads up .....racial judgement is not owned or dominated by any race . Particularly Caucasians.
That you used the word delusion as a pejorative.
The delusion is in regards to the science of genetics. It is fashionable to put forward the erroneous idea that race has no genetic markers or difference. This is incorrect.....it’s a delusion.
Well, a lot of scientists would disagree with you, especially in light of modern DNA sequencing/testing that shows 'race' to be vastly more mixed than first thought.
It's also been fashionable to use perceived genetic markers as proof of one races superiority over another - where biology bleeds over into morality - and as I mentioned above, history is littered with this justification and the atrocities that led from them.
Even if, hypothetically, the delusion is erroneous, I'd prefer that then yet another case of history repeating.
How can the mixing of races be determined unless race has a genetic marker ? Therefore race has genetic indicators due to differences.
I haven’t gone anywhere near saying a race is superior. Is it now impossible to discuss race and genetics without being accused of ulterior motives ? You are basically saying that this realm of science should be abandoned because of its misappropriation by some parts of humanity who would have found any justification for their beliefs.
If so it must be hell working all day in those white hoods at ancestry.com .
Work Christmas party at the Harvard University Genetics lab...
"How can the mixing of races be determined unless race has a genetic marker ? Therefore race has genetic indicators due to differences."
Ever seen results from those advertised genetic testers? Despite what 'race' a person appears as, has heritage traced from, the results invariably show a mix of races from elsewhere. So yes, there are genetic markers, but taking this into account, almost no-one is 'of a particular race'. They are a mix of many races.
So, how can that diversity of racial DNA square with our current understanding of race? i.e how can you call someone 'Caucasian' or 'Asian', when their DNA, the core of their being, includes a great many races.
You can't. It's a modern convenience, a social construct.
I think you might be making a generalisation of racial purity based on the genetic testing of western society.
I’m sure the testing of Japanese , for example, might show a much less ambiguous result.
Anyway , the point I initially made was in relation to the possible susceptibility and resulting increased mortality to the virus based on genetics and distinct racial physiology. If you want to hobble the discussion on the differences in racial physiology due to something the Nazis did in Germany 80 years ago then that’s your deal .
Must be hard when confronted with indisputable facts such as the predisposition of Asians to lactose intolerance or the susceptibility of First Nations to diabetes though.
Hobbled? It's a discussion, plenty of room for disgression, this book has unlimited pages.
Wow!
Just wow!
But not surprising.
Anyway, talking to a mate last night. He's got a boat in Indo. He's seriously freaking out as there are pull-outs daily.
Bargains though if you want to go for it. But remember, there's no insurance cover.
Also, the mail is the G-Land comp is gone.
Indeed it’s not surprising to see the local fake left wokester come buzzing in on the scent of potential infringements against PC non- permissible topics.
The same not-too-bright wokester who comes swooping down if he thinks that a discussion has transgressed PC imposed boundaries on what may constitute sexism , but who then loves letting everyone know that he’s a patron of sex tourism at Four Floors of Whores.....
“Nearly three quarters of immune traits are influenced by genes”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170105082755.htm
I thought this stuff was pretty well established, even to the point where “Your Childhood Experiences Can Permanently Change Your DNA”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/your-childhood-environment...
The “race” thing is something else and as shown in the above conversation is one of the real no-go discussion zones, and understandably so.
But surely we can accept, through historical exposure (or not) of certain groups of people to disease, that certain ethnicities or however you want to classify them, are more susceptible to disease than others.
The European conquest/ colonization of much of the world shows this clearly.
First documented case of Coronavirus in Bali and you’ll be looking at uncrowded outer island waves.
The locals in Bali won’t be leaving but there’ll be uncontested sets at other places I imagine.
why wow?
seriously?
shit sure is getting interesring...
with aussie ostricisation ....this time...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/violent-prot...
Micronesia has been shut down. Allois says there are no travelling surfers in Pohnpei, and no-one is surfing Palikir.
The only way to travel there is by spending 14 days quarantined in Guam or Hawaii.
Meanwhile, our model runs are showing some great activity 16 days out...
Andy....this is the real social construct:
“The “race” thing is something else and as shown in the above conversation is one of the real no-go discussion zones, and understandably so.”
Discussion of genetics and race should not be stymied just because it’s been misused by some throughout history. That’s ridiculous and it’s nothing more than an extension of the cancel culture promoted by neoliberal globalists in order to dampen any discussion pertaining to their plans for establishing a border less planet.
Rather than let any debate around multiculturalism be staged in any forthright or honest manner , this cancel culture refuses to allow any debate in case the outcomes aren’t conducive to the acceptance of their perspective .
Knives have been used for countless murders throughout history. Scientific discussion of knives is not restricted or undertaken in a perpetually apologetic or fragile environment due to the misuse of knives.
And nor should it with any discussion of genetics or race.
Innocent until proven guilty applies to intent of discussion too. Something the Cancel-cultists would have you forget.
they can keep up the cancel (cancer) all they want, because they've made themselves pretty much irrelevant ...even for minorities it seems...
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2665115153734156&id=15252562...
"This week, an extraordinary event took place and nobody noticed.
It happened in the middle of the national capital, in the middle of Parliament House, and still nobody noticed.
It was an event so bizarre and unprecedented that even that morning it would have been utterly unimaginable.
Indeed, 20 years ago it would have been front page news across the country.
And yet here it was happening right under the nose of our national leaders and the national press gallery and nobody noticed.
So for the benefit of history, what happened was this: A dozen Aboriginal women from rural Australia made the long and torturous journey to Canberra – many for the first time – in a desperate effort to tell our national leaders of the violence and dysfunction that was crippling their communities.
And to do so they reached out to the one politician they thought might actually listen to them: Pauline Hanson."
I'd say most people are yearning for some cold hard collisions with reality, after decades of la la land, I'd say it it's somewhat neccesary...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/joe-hildebrand-the-extraord...
Blowin, I love an open discussion and agree that this topic gets tip-toed around.
At the same time, you’ve veered off from the topic of susceptibility to illness to the topics of multiculturalism and immigration and I really don’t know what to make of that.
How containment of #coronavirus is going pic.twitter.com/BHefn4MdGd
— Ilan Schwartz MD PhD (@GermHunterMD) March 1, 2020
VJ, didn't get a chance to respond last week and yes Ben passed on the email, mate such a crazy and heavy journey but also coming through with a different approach and then being able to get fit and out in the water again and also surf with your children. Amazing stuff and I hope you're here for many more years to come. Thinking of you and the fam.
Reject potential immigrants on the basis of their genetic susceptibility to disease and hence potential drain on the health system?
What’s the connection, throw me a frickin bone for chrissakes.
Anyone fly K.L.- Bali then landing Melb on Fri morning with Malindo
You had an Iranian Positive corona passenger on board.
Andy ....nothing like that. Nothing to do with race and immigration beyond the idea that an open borders world is based on the premise that all people are the same . Any discussion which contradicts this - even objectively- cannot be tolerated.
And that’s why geneticists without an ounce of malicious intent have to tiptoe around discussion of the very science they are trained in. Have you no curiosity as to why this may be ?
It’s been near on a century since eugenics was weaponised in the name of racism and even that disgrace constituted only a tiny percentage of the science’s history.
#justaflubro
“Virus carriers in South Australia could be arrested under new laws
People at risk of spreading coronavirus could be arrested and detained by police under new laws to be introduced in South Australia.
The amendments come as governments across the world grapple to contain the spread of the virus, with three cases confirmed in the state.
Premier Steven Marshall said the change, to be introduced to parliament this week, will give health authorities the powers they need to protect South Australians.
"We know people are anxious, and I assure the people of South Australia that you are unquestionably our priority," he said.
Under the changes, patients can be ordered to remain at a hospital or quarantine facility or require that they undergo testing or counselling.
Health Minister Stephen Wade said the health system was prepared for any scenario, but authorities must plan for the worst.“
Indo just reported its first two cases of Coronavirus.
G Land to yourself !
And Tasmania..
In local news, I am informed that coastal supermarkets are being cleaned out of TP. You all know what that means. Yes, The Great Cornholio may at this very moment be on the coast!
& cheers Craig, thanks for the response! I read the reports (it's nice to be a subsciber at last) and will be thinking where, and when, now with a bit of a unique twist. Now I'm probably going to go further away from crowds than I currently do, and that puts a new set of spots into the sights. Sitting out there on the weekend, it was pretty big and for us a fair deal of closeouts between the good sets and I had a bit of a lightbulb moment - why be scared by a big wave any more? What's there to lose? I'll need longer boards.
It was crazy crowded in town on Sunday, the clubbies must have been running something as well as weekend crowds. Carparks at the beach were taken up all the way along the esplanade which I've only ever seen on a 40+ degree day, and all the grassed areas were parked in. Nobody had any concern about what's coming, no masks, nothing. That made me freak a bit, and I avoided the public as much as I could. (Girls seem more interested in you when you treat them as if they have a virus. Strange. But noted.)
So yeah, going all "Storm Boy" and retreating to nature could be a thing between the med appts...
I did line up for a semester of Atmospheric Science once (still have the textbook) and I've learned a great deal here on Swellnet. So thanks for all the articles that you guys do. It's a pretty unique site, the "Deep" of the surf net.
It's also pretty inspiring to follow your pics from travels Craig, and there's no jealousy as I got to do a version of these amazing adventures myself, if that makes any sense. Keep it up! Your snow camping is inspirational, and tbh something like that might just be our version of a snow season this year, rather than stay in the Corona lodge... Lots of walking back up... it'll get ya fit!
Well I’ve started stocking up, stuff like tinned foods, UHT milk, pasta, rice, all that stuff.
And self raising flour.
Might be time for a nice backyard damper in the next few months.
Pretty easy decision to make.
If you don’t need it you’ll still use it anyway.
Interesting stuff indeed...
not pushing any agenda - so don't shoot the messenger - I just think this article raises some interesting developments that quite often can be seen on this little forum here...
"Politicians across the Western world like to speak fondly of the “middle class” as if it is one large constituency with common interests and aspirations. But, as Karl Marx observed, the middle class has always been divided by sources of wealth and worldview. Today, it is split into two distinct, and often opposing, middle classes. First there is the yeomanry or the traditional middle class, which consists of small business owners, minor landowners, craftspeople, and artisans, or what we would define historically as the bourgeoisie, or the old French Third Estate, deeply embedded in the private economy. The other middle class, now in ascendency, is the clerisy, a group that makes its living largely in quasi-public institutions, notably universities, media, the non-profit world, and the upper bureaucracy."
"...In contrast, the clerisy has a far less adversarial relationship with the uber-rich, since they operate in large part outside the market system. Like the Catholic Church in Medieval times, this part of the middle class enjoys something of a symbiosis with the oligarchal elites, the main financiers of NGOs, and the universities, and dominates the media and culture industries that employ so many of them. They are often also beneficiaries of the regulatory state, either directly as high-level government employees, or as consultants, attorneys, or through non-profits."
"...These shifts are, if anything, more pronounced in Europe. In France, over 1.4 million lower skilled jobs have disappeared in the past quarter-century while technical jobs, often in the public sector, have sharply increased. Those working for state industries, universities, and in other clerisy-oriented positions, enjoy far better benefits, notably pensions, than those working in the purely private sector. To be sure, members of the clerisy have to suffer Europe’s high taxes on the middle class, but they also benefit far more than others from the state’s largesse.
At its apex, the clerisy today is made up largely of the well-educated offspring of the affluent....
...After one generation,” the American sociologist Daniel Bell predicted nearly half a century ago, “a meritocracy simply becomes an enclaved class.”3'
"...Like their Medieval counterparts in the old First Estate, members of the contemporary clerisy insist that they are motivated not by self-interest but rather by pursuit of the common good. They constitute “the privileged stratum,” in the words of French left-wing analyst Christophe Guilluy, operating from an assumption of “moral superiority” that justifies their right to instruct others.5 This power is greatly enhanced by their control of culture, most media, the education systems—eight in 10 British professors are on the Left—and throughout the bureaucracy."
"..The perspective of the traditional middle class generally differs from that of the clerisy, and constitutes what Piketty labels the “merchant Right.” These people make their living in the marketplace, and that often places them in conflict with both the oligarchs, who continually seek to crush or absorb their businesses, or with the clerisy, which hands down environmental and other regulations that inhibit their activities. Generally speaking, larger firms are far more adept at adjusting to these strictures than smaller firms."
"...However, the decades after the 1970s also saw the shift to a greater concentration of wealth accelerate and became inexorable after the financial crash in 2007 – 8. Although the financial institutions helped create the crisis, they ended up as the biggest winners from the largely asset-based prosperity that followed the Great Recession. Main Street businesses and ordinary homeowners, meanwhile, did poorly. As one conservative economist succinctly observed in 2018, “The economic legacy of the last decade is excessive corporate consolidation, a massive transfer of wealth to the top one percent from the middle class.
The yeomanry’s distress can be seen in everything from falling rates of business formation as well as declining homeownership, particularly among the young, most notably in the United States, Canada, and Australia..."
"...The struggle between the two middle classes is not just a matter of wealth and power, but also of retaining the social basis for democracy itself. Without a strong, independent middle class operating outside the control of large institutions, be they tech giants or governments, we may be heading towards a technocratic future, that as one Silicon Valley wag put it, resembles “feudalism with better marketing.
An independent and assertive property-owning middle class that can thrive remains the only force able to challenge ever-growing centralization. Without them, there is likely no way to prevent a new feudal order from emerging in the future. As the radical social theorist Barrington Moore suggested a half-century ago, “no bourgeoisie, no democracy.”"
Great article, Sypkan.
What I’ve been calling the managerial class.
Small business owners of the world, unite and take over!
As for sypkhan's Quillette, the publishing outfit of choice for the HBD gang, well, I think it's probably worth a Google there, blow in. HBD seems right up your alley.
still on the no platforming schtick factopupbum...
maybe if you and your kind were more open to a wider array of sources and perspectives you wouldn't appear so bubbled up and delusional...
you know what they say, ...if you cannot answer to and rebut your critics, ...well, ....then maybe your position is not so strong...
big problem for you and your mates, your worldview, and agenda, was developed in an echo chambing bubble, impervious to those pesky little influences of reality, because it was overly and overtly protected by....
....you know what....
anyway, carry on...
winning!
wow!
just wow!
on your advice factopupbum, I googled quillette, honestly had no idea who or what they were/are...
and what did I find...
well for a start, the guardian, wa-po, and a bunch of other bullshit peddlers don't like em... that's a tick from me...
they are supposedly connected to the 'intellectual dark web'... now there's a tick...
they are connected to the 'greviance studies affair'... now there's a big arse tick from me, ...a big big monster big arse tick actually...
and, steve pinker and richard dawkins are fans of the publication, ...some good company there, ...from my biased post-modernists perspective...
(don't you overtly passionate atheists love richard dawkins?)
what's your problem exactly?
you like to think your a bit of an intellectual... only certain intellectuals allowed?
the 'wrong thinking' intellectuals must be excluded and ignored? ...constantly ...conveniently...
a no platformer through and through is you, ...me thinks...
thanks for the advice to google, I'll be reading quillette a bit more I think...
Have it cunts