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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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I focus commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 10:01am

Optimist re pub on the hill at Noosa as a young bloke from WA visiting 77/76 I remember how friendly, hot the girls looked and more than 50% of the patrons plus they wouldn't sell Tequila.

That was coming from a cold and bleak SW.

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Blowin commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 10:52am

After years of the MSM gnashing their teeth about fake news and online disinformation, why are they now repeating the obvious lies and propaganda being presented by the CCP in the form of fictional Coronavirus statistics ?

More new cases on a single ship ( diamond princess ) than the entirety of China ? Come on !

The outbreaks in South Korea , Japan , Italy etc are illustrative.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-fake-coronavirus-numbers-e...

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Blowin commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 11:36am

Coronavirus will only shave 0.5 percent off China’s GDP !

https://tenor.com/view/jenga-collapse-kid-gif-4594310

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Blowin commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 2:47pm

Murdoch now reflecting the CCP- beholden governmental position that we should just open borders as to do otherwise would hinder recovery....WTF ?

Of course containment is an option. Prevention is the first stop on any safety matrix. The cases are very manageable in Australia at present. Our government and the MSM are working for a higher power than the people of Australia.

This is economics talking. We have the enviable benefit of being a naturally isolated nation. If we close our borders completely now we stand a chance to beat the Coronavirus. The economic consequences of allowing the virus to spread unchecked through our borders will dwarf the economic consequences of containing our society.

Murdoch news selling out Australians.

https://apple.news/ATMDlIE4NT4WA0L-hsoP_Uw

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Blowin commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 3:01pm

This is how the situation is being described in China:

"The current epidemic situation is still grim and complex," Xinhua cited Xi as saying. "Prevention and control are at the most critical stage."

And yet Scomo has declared that it’s all going well and now is the time to open our borders !

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Optimist commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 4:35pm

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A lot of those very beautiful girls lived around A bay in tents back in the day. It was a real Hip commune of Nude sunbathing chicks and they would hit the Reef pub of an evening, Dressed of course.
This is a pic of the girls from A bay these days.
https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/drag-queens-line-the-be...

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I focus commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 5:03pm

Looks like we got it at its best Optimist, I do remember it was a happy place, see through tops was a thing then too.

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Distracted commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 9:35pm

Four Corners episode on corona virus was pretty full on. Vision of authorities in China welding the doors of apartment blocks shut so people can’t get out.

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sypkan commented Monday, 24 Feb 2020 at 11:34pm

...that was pretty heavy, the people screaming for help, especially the woman in the high rise, locked in, probaly welded shut, mum dying, ...heavy...

qanda after. . wow!

that was like an intensive 60 min release of decades of frustrations

the embassy guy did alright, ....whilst lying through his teeth...

but how's stan grant!

so confronting, but so respectful, he killed it! ....and let the embassy dude have it...

about ten years too late, but about bloody time!

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 7:47am

parallels?

lessons for labor?

...that's labor labour, not labour labour...

"...Old definitions of right and left become increasingly meaningless when faced with such recklessness. The Tories are prepared to destroy the union and may well simulate the end of austerity for a while. Cummings may go the way of any overpromoted minion and get binned. What matters is that a radical coalition be built that can oppose the Tories. That coalition cannot disappear into arguments about identity politics that merely alienate voters.

It is as if the last four years had never happened. The radical victory of identity politics was the leave vote and the subsequent Tory majority. To mistake culture wars as being only about the prescribed subjects of race, gender and class is a fundamental error. There are other ways of identifying available. Have we not seen how Trump operates? If not playing by the rules can appear radical and exciting, why is Labour plodding along as if it has all the time in the world?"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/the-tories-have-tu...

...and the guardian bagging ip, ...now we are getting somewhere...

the journal of identity politics, the go to junkmag for those seeking a daily fix, ...it seems, possibbly, maybe, just getting an inkling of their role in the bigger picture of all this madness?

...finally...

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:15pm

If you ever want confirmation of the bias towards self hatred in Western societies then review these two instances and the reportage , spin and language used.

One is a white supremacist in Germany committing terrorism against muslims . Angela Merkel et at cannot attack German society heavily enough. Casting the nation as potentially guilty.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/shooting-in-german-city-leaves-at-le...

And here is a terror attack commited on a Christian celebration in Germany. Not a hint of accusation in the headline or article. The article is actually filed under “ Road safety “....no , I’m not joking.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/car-hits-crowd-at-carnival-in-german...

There is a deliberate and conscious push to racially smear Caucasians in the Western world. This is to promote divisions within our society. It is used to create a siege mentality amongst legacy citizens of Western nations so that the mass importation of foreign cultures creates friction and fractures communities so that workers are too busy fighting each other than their true oppressors .....Capital and Corporations. It is the same reason that ethnic communities in Western nations are continuously told they are victims and suffering from continuous attack from Caucasians. It is to create division.

Racism happens , yes. But it occurs in all societies and it swings in every direction. And it is nowhere near as common or as detrimental as the media would have you believe.

This gaslighting that Australian culture is inherently racist and evil is a form of racism and hate speech. How can it be permitted by a thinking society that it’s racist to deny negatively stereotyping one entire culture whilst encouraging it within another ?

Why is it permissible to state irrefutably that violent crime is not a rising and potential threat within Muslim culture but it is within Caucasian culture ?

Why is it permitted to label Australians as incurable racists , but it’s not permitted to label Indians as acid throwing rapists or label First Nations people as wife beating dole bludgers ?

Can you even imagine this comment getting permitted if it was discussing any culture except white Australians ( from today’s SMH . Quote from ABC’s Q and A )

“Despite his disagreements with Mr Wang, Mr Grant agreed there was an undercurrent of racism in how the ongoing coronavirus outbreak was viewed in Australia.

"A crisis reveals something very essential about the nature of your country, your culture, your history," Mr Grant said. "I don't think you can separate Australia's history from the knee-jerk racism you see."

Stan Grant unequivocally labelling Australian culture as racist. That’s nothing but hate speech.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:13pm

TBH I don't completely follow what you're arguing but if you're using that example to pursue a debate about nationalism I'd proceed very cautiously, and also be mindful of comparing our country to Germany.

Having known a few Germans and Austrians they are acutely aware of their place in world history, how national pride was distorted once before, but also how easily it can be again.

They're not, for instance, kept in the dark about their country's dark past, as the Japanese are.

They will respond differently to such events then you or I will because the guilt is still relatively fresh.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:20pm

Australian newspaper, Australian reporting.

It’s filed under “ road safety “ FFS.

And what about Stan a Grant getting a free pass to racially stereotype an entire culture on the Australian public broadcaster ?

Go on , say that it’s true cause it’s been borne out by history.

Stan takes the specious reasoning that Chinese restaurants ( in Chinese majority neighbourhoods ) are empty and therefore Australians are racist ! But they can’t help it because....they’re racist.

Get fucked Stan Grant. Take your hate speech and get back under your rock.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:20pm

"There is a deliberate and conscious push to racially smear Caucasians in the Western world. This is to promote divisions within our society. It is used to create a siege mentality amongst legacy citizens of Western nations so that the mass importation of foreign cultures creates friction and fractures communities so that workers are too busy fighting each other than their true oppressors .....Capital and Corporations."

Come off it. Way too quick to promote conspiracy theories. The world is more nuanced than any conspiracy theory can explain, more complex than one cohort can control.

Sometimes I think it's an inability to perceive this chaos that pushes people towards conspiracy theories. Like believers who perish at the thought of nihilism, can't accept meaningless, and put it all under the banner of God and his mysterious ways.

Nah...

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:21pm

You're shocked by a blackfella calling Australia racist?

Really...?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:26pm

So you think a simultaneous push in the entire Western sphere towards mass immigration and the demonisation of Western cultures is coincidental ?

Maybe I’m imagining the attacks on the legitimacy of Western cultures everywhere ?

https://youtu.be/ShfsBPrNcTI

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:22pm

I think Australia is too.

But I still love it. 

And I'm not self-hating or culture-hating or whatever.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:27pm

I think you’re deluded .

You reckon that Australia is more racist than who exactly ? Name one country or culture which is less racist .

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:28pm

"So you think a simultaneous push in the entire Western sphere towards mass immigration and the demonisation of Western cultures is coincidental ?"

If you put it like that, yes.

But for one, mass immigration began as economic and has achieved its own momentum with that end. It will slow soon.

No way on Dog's green earth is it systematic. Use FOI, show me the papers. If this is a systematic plot then lots of people are in on it, across all cabinets and governments. Show me the paperwork. Where is it?

Western demonisation is a bullshit front for the culture war. All these arguments you put forth, I happen to agree with many of the commentators but I don't hate Western culture or civilisation. That's just people putting words in other people's mouths.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:30pm

"You reckon that Australia is more racist than who exactly ? Name one country or culture which is less racist ."

See..?

I didn't say it was "more racist". You haven't understood your own question.

Australia is racist...

....but so are other countries.

But I don't give a fuck about them because I live in Australia.

And anyway, isn't moral equivalence supposed to be on the nose for right wingers?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:33pm

The plan is .....mix every one up through multiculturalism. Push down the powerful cultures , elevate the weak ones . Tell them their is no such thing as culture amongst the strong and then encourage cultural pride in the weak.

And then wait for them to start infighting.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:37pm

So you are cool with Stan Grant using a racist stereotype to insult all White Australians because you think it’s true ?

Isn’t that the justification for every stereotypical slur ever uttered ?

Are you saying that it’s cool to cargo on the ABC and say that Indians are inherently acid throwing rapists if I think it’s true ?

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:37pm

Bit far-fetched, but sounds like a good plot for a movie.

Fiction of course.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:38pm

I'm white, you're white.

Why are you insulted by what Stan said and I'm not?

It's a question worth considering.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:39pm

You’re only saying that because you’re from English stock and you people have a lateral thinking ability which doesn’t extend beyond fingering the village Clydesdale .

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:41pm

Perhaps because subconsciously you believe that all Australians have something to feel guilty about . Each and every one of us should let Stan insult us because he is less white than we are.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:43pm

But he's not insulting each and every one of us.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:43pm

And I've never fingered the village Clydesdale...

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:49pm

You still haven’t defended his ability to insult everyone at large based on racial stereotyping. You’ve just said that you don’t care about it.

There’s probably many Indians who don’t care if I say their culture makes them inherent acid throwing rapists , doesn’t mean I can say it to a cheering crowd on Q and A.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:47pm

Couldn’t get past the Shetland ?

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:57pm

Isn't offence taken not given?

I don't strictly believe in that, but anyway....

For one, he's a blackfella who has written at length about the racism he's endured, so I reckon he's entitled to say what he did. Two, Whitey controls the power dynamic and the vast majority of the wealth in this country, so there's an imbalance and vulnerability when different groups are attacked. It's messy but impossible to deny it exists. Three, Western tradition - fucken marvellous thing that it is - promotes tolerance, fairness, justice, all those things about turning the other cheek, copping it and moving on, and those values, planted in our bedrock, are what's made our country great. If other people/countries want to play the victim that's their prerogative but why should we erode all the virtues that have shaped us...and for what? For some throwback notion of fairness? Nah, (collectively) suck it up and move on. We're better than that.

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Pops commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 3:59pm

Article in support of claims by Blowin and others re coronavirus non-detection worries: (apologies if it's behind a pay wall)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2234967-covid-19-our-chance-to-cont...

He who hesitates is lost

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Pops commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:10pm

Couldn't help but pick up on a passing comment Stu, and I'm curious: have you honestly stared down nihilism and all it implies (not least everything being permitted), and found yourself comfortable with that?
(Bit of a cheap shot suggesting theists are only such due to intellectual cowardice too... there's a number of live philosophical arguments for theism - it's a reasonably active field of study these days).

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:22pm

Stu...my entire point was that it’s not just victim hood from other cultures being indulged . That was a digression.

My point was that it’s the powerful and influential of society pushing this barrow . Why are they doing that ?

I can understand Stan Grant decrying Western culture due to his personal history, but why is the political/ media / academic classes of the Western sphere pushing it ? Why is it actively protested against considering a uni course on Western Civilisation whilst encouraged to pursue the studies of other cultures ?

There is an indisputable bias leaning towards blaming Western society for all of the world’s ills. It is becoming acceptable to discuss Western history as though it’s been responsible for every violent act ever perpetrated throughout humanity.

Why is it unacceptable to say you’re proud to be Australian in Australia but not unacceptable to say you’re proud to be any literally other race ? He same is applied in Sweden , Germany, England , Canada ....any western nation. Stating cultural pride = nationalism = Nazis. But it’s all good to say proud First Nations / Apache / Maori even though every one of those cultures had its share of bloodstained violence.

The reason of this sustained and coordinated attempt to delegitimise Western cultures is to remove their belief in dominant power and to elevate minority ethnicities to a belief in equality. This is not done in the spirit of harmony. It is done to,promote disharmony and division so that the population is distracted , divided and unable to mount a cohesive resistance to their oppression.

And if you think that’s a fanciful conspiracy because humanity can’t organise and conduct such overarching plans then you probably doubt the CIA intended African Americans to be hooked and persecuted based on their consumption of the opiates the CIA imported from Cambodia.

And you think it’s unlikely that a nation would ever organise an astroturfed community campaign in a foreign country in order to conduce the regime change they are plotting.

And you imagine that transnational oil interests wouldn’t convince nations to commence illegal wars on the other side of the globe which destabilise sovereign countries and create millions of deaths.

Cause that’d be , like , unimaginable and too far out , man.

Because

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:21pm

The irony being that I’m way more nihilistic than Stu.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:22pm

Completely, Pops. Was even paid Austudy for a few years to, amongst other things, explore those ideas. And yes, I'm comfortable with it.

Wasn't meant to be a cheap shot, and wasn't meant to imply intellectual cowardice either, more so the people I meet who explain away the unknown as a proxy of the divine.

What's wrong with the unknown?

Why can't people be comfortable with that?

Now, can we return to killer viruses and bloodthirsty racists?

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Optimist commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:24pm

My opinion is that Aussies are the least racist people around. Everyone seems to accept anyone from anywhere and treat them as good people until they prove otherwise...BUT THEN, if you stuff up, do the wrong thing and prove your an idiot ,Aussies will rebuke you according to your race etc...you will become a whinging pommy, an angry abo, a raghead terrorist, a phone scamming curry muncher etc etc....Nobody means anything by it, just the Aussie way. Aussies of all races do it to each other. Do the right thing again and everyone will forget about it and be best mates again and do anything for you. All Australians need to forget whats behind and move on into a great future together. Forget the past, be colour blind, seize the opportunities at hand as there are many and for everyone who wants them.
Your sincerely...A bloody Wog.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:25pm

I notice you didn’t suggest returning to discussing the Clydesdale.

Touchy ?

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Pops commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:28pm

Fair enough Stu - what's wrong with the unknown indeed!

He who hesitates is lost

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:30pm

What is wrong with the unknown ?

Is there something I should know ? What aren’t you telling me ?

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Pops commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:32pm

"My opinion is that Aussies are the least racist people around"
That was my opinion too, until I was going out with (now married to) a chinese-malaysian girl. Watching her be last served (often being ignored when at the front of the queue) in multiple bakeries, cafes and pubs up and down the coast was a real eye-opener. People would still smile and be friendly, but white folk oft got preferential treatment.

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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:37pm

does that still happen Pops?

worse in certain areas?

Don't mean to pry, just interested.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 5:00pm

Blowin I don’t see the whole white western self-flagellation thing as a conspiracy, simply a well intentioned but occasionally ham fisted effort to even up the playing field.

But when I hear “I’m just a white person with no culture”, which I’ve heard quite a few times at uni and is a mentality which is actively encouraged in certain areas, I don’t see it as being a positive step forward.

Personally, I agree with Stu’s ethos of “why should we erode all the virtues that have shaped us...and for what? For some throwback notion of fairness? Nah, (collectively) suck it up and move on. We're better than that.”

But I guarantee you that there’s a big chunk of the *woke* out there that would be happy to flay you for suggesting this. I’m not sure exactly what they want but they’re happy to wallow for the time being.

And of course, politicians and the media will play every angle of this for maximum effect.

But I don’t think it’s a conspiracy.

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Pops commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:48pm

Yes, still happens, mostly in coastal country towns. Have had worse experiences on the mid north coast than south for some reason - maybe just bad luck.
Don't really want to name and shame though.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 4:55pm

There’s bad energy running through some of those mid north coast towns.

It’s in the land itself. You can feel it. I reckon it’s existed before people and it’s influenced the history of the area.

Some places are good. Some places are bad.

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 5:16pm

Interesting thought's Blowin.

First time I've ever read anyone trying to tackle the answer on why we are negative on our own ethnicity, culture, history etc these days, while at the same time trying to encourage others to embrace theirs.

"There is an indisputable bias leaning towards blaming Western society for all of the world’s ills. It is becoming acceptable to discuss Western history as though it’s been responsible for every violent act ever perpetrated throughout humanity.

Why is it unacceptable to say you’re proud to be Australian in Australia but not unacceptable to say you’re proud to be any literally other race ? He same is applied in Sweden , Germany, England , Canada ....any western nation. Stating cultural pride = nationalism = Nazis. But it’s all good to say proud First Nations / Apache / Maori even though every one of those cultures had its share of bloodstained violence.

The reason of this sustained and coordinated attempt to delegitimise Western cultures is to remove their belief in dominant power and to elevate minority ethnicities to a belief in equality. This is not done in the spirit of harmony. It is done to,promote disharmony and division so that the population is distracted , divided and unable to mount a cohesive resistance to their oppression."

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 5:43pm

Very very interesting

https://youtu.be/QlF0LcQO9Tg

Best overview out there

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wally commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 5:52pm

As a side note, a friend of mine is from an Asian background and is a bit of a big wheel in one of Australia’s most ethnically diverse communities. She tells me that the multicultural term is being replaced by intercultural as the guiding concept.

“Multicultural refers to a society that contains several cultural or ethnic groups. People live alongside one another, but each cultural group does not necessarily have engaging interactions with each other. For example, in a multicultural neighborhood people may frequent ethnic grocery stores and restaurants without really interacting with their neighbors from other countries.

Intercultural describes communities in which there is a deep understanding and respect for all cultures. Intercultural communication focuses on the mutual exchange of ideas and cultural norms and the development of deep relationships. In an intercultural society, no one is left unchanged because everyone learns from one another and grows together.“

She was recently at a community meeting to represent diverse cultural views and concerns. She said to them, where are the white Australians? They have a culture and it is important they be represented. There was a general agreement she was right and this needed to be urgently remedied in future meetings.

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 5:59pm

Dont have much interest in this Coronavirus thing, but this is the best read ive read on it https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/...

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 25 Feb 2020 at 6:51pm

Blowin, the darkest hour is before the dawn. Much of what you are describing in the above page has trickled down from the Frankfurt School's influence on academia, ongoing since the 1920's or 1930s.

If you look at the achievements of Western Civilisation, they are absolutely phenomenal. Fortunately, the tide has begun to turn:

https://www.ramsaycentre.org/