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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Talking points worthy of further discussion without devolving into insult.

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sypkan commented Thursday, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:48pm

"..."It's about time the people in this place woke up to China's attempts to infiltrate our economy and our democracy," Senator Lambie declared in an impassioned speech to Parliament.

"Both sides of politics need to take a good hard look at themselves and make sure they're acting in our national interest, which quite obviously, over China, they are not."

"...Senator Lambie said warnings about the Chinese Communist Party's attempts to influence Australia's Parliament were "not some wacky conspiracy theory", and declared: "They're coming".

"Someone who was supposedly cultivated by the Chinese Government to run as a Liberal Party candidate in the Commonwealth Parliament has shown up dead," she said.

"Nothing's been proven but it's really concerning … I think we all know what's going on here.

"What is clear is that China is actively trying to reshape our democracy, and no-one seems to be talking about that seriously enough."

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-04/jacquie-lambie-speaks-out-on-c...

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factotum commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 1:52am

Yellow journalism.

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 5:45am

What are the chances of a Izzy themed float leading the 2020 gay and lesbian Mardi Gras?

A Izzy float and one for Margaret Count.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 7:26am

Izzy should be thanking Waleed(as should Scomo), when he comes out and predicts something in the media, it's like the kiss of death and the opposite happens..

"Waleed Aly suspects Israel Folau’s plan might backfire

Waleed Aly believes Israel Folau may have erred by dropping a new $14 million bomb on Rugby Australia that could blow up in his face."

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/waleed-aly-suspects-israel-folaus-pl...

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 7:38am

I know you love this sort of thing Indo but nothing has been proven on either side and that is why I wanted it to be tested in court, to let the facts in law decide. Was it a free speech issue? a freedom of religion issue? or just a simple breach of a contract issue? As it stands no-one can claim a victory and I’m guessing that’s why few are ever satisfied with these out of court deals.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 8:12am

I too would have preferred it go to court it would have been much better to set a proper precedent for the future.

But we wont because he had pretty much no chance of losing, hence why settlement out of court.

Two important reasons.

1. The fair work act states, that you cant be sacked or discriminate, over religious beliefs.

2. Code of conduct doesn't overrule the law, even if employee agree to terms of a contract.

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 8:19am

IYHO Indo

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Waldorf Salad commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 8:52am

Lenin: “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”

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vascectomy-blot... commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 10:13am

@indo But we wont because he had pretty much no chance of losing, hence why settlement out of court.

hahaha!!! if he had no chance of losing why TF would he settle?? He had over 2 million banked to roll it out as long as necessary and he didn't have to settle. He chose to. You don't settle if you have no chance of losing ya gumby you run with it and bleed the other side dry.

Honestly mate, I tuned back in here recently to see if my old friend rottmouth was around but you've taken his place giving your absolute certain fully knowledgeable opinion as facts. Did you go to Yale Law School too? That was always his bullshit line.

Might have to change my name to indo-deluding if this keeps up ;-)

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sypkan commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 11:10am

on a side note, and political leanings aside...

I reckon that fitsimmons guy is an A grade wanker, and has behaved as such throughout this whole saga

about time he lost that hankey of his head too

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 11:56am

@vascectomy-blot.

Why settle out of court?

I thought that would be pretty obvious, would any individual want to go through a long drawn out court case if they don't need too?

We have seen many times where these things ruin relationships and even if the person wins they often come out as damaged goods.

Seems like he got what he was after an apology from RA so basically admitting they were in the wrong which i think was Izzys main issue, and although we don't know the amount you can assume a fair compensation.

Although i think he is a bit of knob and says some silly things and maybe on principal he should have taken it all the way.

However IMHO he has shown some rare maturity in taking the deal, again he got his apology and got compensation, and walks away with his family by his side and a good proportion of the population supporting him, he is 30 so only had a few years of footy left in him, and he was already well off and now even better set up.

Taking the deal also looks good in the publics eyes as he doesnt look greedy trying to get every last cent, yeah you could say he looked greedy trying to get more money of late, but obviously that was just a tactic of negotiation,(possibly even using the media) which seems to have worked.

Now why would RA settle out of court if they thought they had a realistic chance of winning?

They have the money, the case isn't going to affect them personally and they have already made a big media storm about it so it's not like it's going to tarnish their brand anymore (unless they went hard and then lost)

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sypkan commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:35pm

maybe this is why RA rolled over so easily...

"...And another year of being reminded of its hopeless mishandling of this matter.

“And imagine the relief on Kate Eastman’s face on Wednesday afternoon. Folau’s team was set to argue that the Sydney barrister’s role in the original tribunal hearing that led to Folau’s sacking raised questions of bias, or perceptions of bias. Eastman, a human rights lawyer, has a long history of supporting LGBTI causes.

“Good on her, that is her business. But her inclusion on the tribunal to sit in judgment on a devout Christian was a silly stunt that backfired badly.”

It appears Castle may have stacked the panel, not real bright, big on righteousness, but not so much brighteousness

seems old hankey man's best days as a 'social commentator' may be behind him too...

"...Former Wallaby FitzSimons said he was disappointed to see Rugby Australia settle and deny the case going to a public court hearing — especially after Rugby Australia had seemed so resolute in its case.

His accepting of Rugby Australia’s rhetoric juxtaposed sharply with the reports of Folau’s multimillion-dollar compensation package.

“Everybody wants to know how much. I have no inside knowledge of the terms, not even a hint, but my bet is it will be about $200,000 to $300,000,” he wrote for Fairfax Media."

talk about out of touch, ....at both ends, and all places...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/australia-reacts-to-israel-fol...

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I focus commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:37pm

ID nice to have a black and white perspective but there was far more at stake other than Izzy using a book written long ago based on past rumours past down though generations to hide behind to express his homophobia.

Is your freedom of speech including the Koran there is some lovely bits about infidels, women etc ......eh.

Then there is the bit about how much control should an employer have over you, are your religious beliefs the only out everyone else gets screwed?

Can of worms and some

I think Izzy showed us he is possibly more about taking the money and running than fighting for principle as already stated he had the bank roll.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 12:44pm

You mean where do you draw the line?

As long as it's legal under the law.

BTW. Lets remember what the post was (homosexuals were only one group attacked)

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 3:41pm

Unfair dismissal involves "who" not "why".
Case: Folau argued progressive advocate Eastman was unfit to Judge a Polynesian.
Folau claims 'Apprehended Bias' influenced Eastman's Judgement.

If you advocate Equal rights for homosexuals then you can't judge a Christian.
Condemning gays to hell flipped into minority Polynesian Christian persecution!"

re: Stopping Gay-(Police / Boards / Courts / Juries) from persecuting poor Christians.
https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/in-folau-case-a-feminist-lawyer-s-re...

Folau's Trial was covered for $3m ...
Australian Rugby would have covered Eastman's career for $3m + some.
Total court costs alone were $7m without any payout figure.

Out of court settlement claim of $8m was dismissed.
Rugby Australia said it was cheaper than seeing a trial thru to end of Feb...($7m+)

Since then...plenty of unchallenged multi $million claims by media...(Silence!)
Nearing $6m must be getting close to the Target.!

As said this trial was way above any [YES] vs [NO] for clean Judge to Rule on!
You could argue Folau played the victim card for RDA victory for faith.

RDA final draft this month & fine tuned before Parliament next year.
tbb is only saying Morrison stamped GG + Israel + Oz day scam last Xmas holidays
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/government-will-protect-religious-freedoms-g...

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I focus commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 3:53pm

Out of that group guess which has the highest suicide rate?

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AndyM commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 4:06pm

As mentioned before, Israel’s an idolator so he’s going to hell too.

“Folau argued progressive advocate Eastman was unfit to Judge a Polynesian.
Folau claims 'Apprehended Bias' influenced Eastman's Judgement.”

Is that racist?

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 4:19pm

I think it's a bit harsh to be sent to purgatory for watching Australian Idol, but rules are rules.

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Pops commented Friday, 6 Dec 2019 at 4:33pm

As far as I understand, on Folau's view that's not true (@ AndyM). Regardless of any & all wrongdoing he has done he is saved by accepting Jesus' offer to be his proxy/substitution, and so be judged in his place; and the same offer is available to anyone who would accept it. Basically, salvation is available despite how bad people are; it is not earned by being good.

He who hesitates is lost

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 8 Dec 2019 at 9:16pm

OK here's some interesting stuff

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/banana-art-basel-performance-artist-eats-ba...

This doubly appeals to my absurdist sense of humour, once that someone paid 120KUSD for a banana duct-taped to a wall, and twice that someone ate it.

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AndyM commented Sunday, 8 Dec 2019 at 9:46pm

Yeah that seems to be the way the idolaters look at things Pops.

By the way, going to hell for watching Australian Idol seems completely fair and reasonable.

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Blowin commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 8:36am

Let’s take bets to guess how long before this happens in Australia .

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/new-delhi-fire-dozens-killed-in-extrem...

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Ralph commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 12:44pm

Hey Pops, were you in the Telos this year?

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Pops commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 12:58pm

Nah - getting over there is on the bucket list, but haven't ticked it off yet!

He who hesitates is lost

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 3:23pm

Anyone catch what Albanese said about coal exports today?

"If Australia stopped exporting today there would not be less demand for coal - the coal would come from a different place," Mr Albanese told Nine newspapers on Monday.

"So it would not reduce emissions - which has to be the objective. I don't see a contradiction between that and having a strong climate change policy."

“We’ve got to consider what the actual outcome is from any proposal, and the proposal that we immediately stop exporting coal would damage our economy and would not have any environmental benefit,” Mr Albanese said.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/anthony-albanese-backs-australian-coal-expor...

Was only saying the same the other week and i got written off as a listening to too much Sky news or something.

Good too actually see both leaders of Labor and Liberals agreeing on this.

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Craig commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 3:15pm

ID, I think that's just the lazy and non-forward thinking approach.. Pass the buck per-se.

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 3:36pm

I don't agree, it's just being realistic instead of idealistic.

He gets points from me today on everything he has said has show he has a much more balanced realistic mature mindset than Shorten did.

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Peter McMahon commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 3:43pm

Here's the problem with what Albo said: How can we go to China and say, 'stop building all these coal fired power stations, you're causing climate change' ?
China will just turn around and go 'you're just as bad, you're selling us the coal.'
We need to be the example and put pressure on them from that position.

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm

It's not our job or place to really tell China or anyone else what to do.

They know the deal they are signed up to Paris Agreement.

It would actually be wrong of us to force them to have to use lower quality coal and would be silly for us from an economical point of view.

I think people underestimate the importance of Coal exports to our economy.

Royalties on coal are worth about six billion or more alone then you have the jobs and payroll tax which is high because they are on high incomes about two hundred and fifty million a few years back, then you have the flow on effect to the economy.

Imagine if we did away with coal exports and did away with petroleum driven cars without replacing the income somehow, considering fuel excise tax is worth about 11 billion a year.

So you have at least 17 billion in revenue to show replace is we did away with coal exports and moved to electric cars.

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Blowin commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 3:50pm

Haha !

Put pressure on China.....that’ll stop ‘em .

You’re funny !

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 4:30pm

I went for a bike ride yesterday and lots of people were fishing, plenty caught, mostly Snapper not as easy to catch as flathead.

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 7:16pm

If you want real info on the renewables / coal mix now and forecasted out to 2030 in AU watch the last 30 minutes of tonight’s The Drum (ABC TV) on iview. Excellent discussion, surprisingly it shows the Morrison government’s own figures show a rapid increase in renewables and closure of coal power plants equivalent to two Hazelwoods!! So while Scomo is talking up coal his own department’s figures are showing the exact opposite!

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sypkan commented Monday, 9 Dec 2019 at 7:46pm

Another spanner for the works...

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/india-solar-power-electricity-...

adani could b the dumbest dumb decision ever

but Im sure we can still bend over for china

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velocityjohnno commented Wednesday, 11 Dec 2019 at 9:23am

Surf has gone to rubbish, so it's time to hurt the brain, here comes some "interesting stuff".

You might recall we followed the 'Repo crisis' some pages back. I've dug up a couple of articles which now explain what happened, and (given the predisposition toward 'the end is nigh' of the source - tho if I had $20 for every time that's been predicted over the last 12 years...) what might:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fed-was-suddenly-facing-multiple-ltcms...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/its-about-get-very-bad-repo-market-leg...

Multiple LTCMS - sounds like a fistful of those chocolate sweet museli bars, but no, they refer to Long Term Capital Management, which nearly crashed the global finance system in the late '90's. Subject of the book "When Genius Failed" - quite a compelling story.

Anyway, some really good financial reporting. If you put about 10 coffees into it (like Fry on Futurama) you may understand the shadow banking system. Not bad for a week with no surf.

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simba commented Thursday, 12 Dec 2019 at 4:49pm

Ben and Craig especially and anyone who loves nature will love this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oagszCmJLpU

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Blowin commented Thursday, 12 Dec 2019 at 5:21pm

Storm porn = excellent

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davetherave commented Thursday, 12 Dec 2019 at 5:38pm

wow. simba, wow.

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Craig commented Thursday, 12 Dec 2019 at 6:01pm

Pure porn!! Oh my. Love how you can see the storms bubbling away. Pure fluid dynamics. Thanks for sharing! And those lightning storms!

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philosurphizing... commented Thursday, 12 Dec 2019 at 6:01pm

Incredible.

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 2:12pm

"The buck always stops with the leadership. I knocked on 11,000 doors [in Edinburgh South] and he has been the problem, and we either acknowledge that and reflect on that and do something about it, or we don’t deserve to be in power. What we have delivered is a majority Tory government.

We either listen to the public or we lose. We didn’t listen and we’ve lost." - Ian Murray, who again may end up the only Labour MP in Scotland.

Sounds a lot like the last Labor bloke that was Leader here in Oz. It seems that it doesn't really matter what your policies are, if you're 'unliked' as a leader your party is destined for the opposition bench.

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factotum commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 2:36pm
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factotum commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 2:40pm

Glass half full regarding BoJo.

Scotland leaves the UK.

Ireland reunifies.

The Union Jack is redundant, so we have to change our flag to look a bit, y'know normal.

Though with Scotty from Marketing, who the fuck knows??

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loungelizard commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 2:41pm

official monster raving loony party nearly doubles vote of lord binface

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Westofthelake commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 2:58pm

Parallels indeed facto, but the sullied masses swallow the media fed BS like its the gospel.

"Ask someone in the UK if they support the NHS, or free education for children, and nine times out of ten they’ll say ‘of course’. Ask them if they agree with democratic socialism and you’d wonder if you had just insulted their mother. The two are the same thing."

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loungelizard commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 3:21pm

here go the usual swellnet crew... i was following the bbc coverage and its deja vu all over again. "right wing press" "people love our policies we just didnt get it across" cue the swellnet apologistas. maybe, just maybe people really just dont like corbynns marxist policies. closing private schools, taking 10% of all private companies etc etc the array of labor hacks making excuses mirrors the local experience. a great result for the brits! go brexit! another kick in the teeth for the short-lived sanders/corbynn/?shorten "democratic socialist" revolution. yee-ha! (i know triumphalism is pathetic and will come back to bite me but who cares..

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Blowin commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 3:35pm

It was a vote on Brexit .

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 3:44pm

Exit polls suggest biggest conservative majority since Thatcher.

Another labour party that completely neglected its core regional and working class constituents, replacing policy in their favour for policies that were globalist, were handing sovereignty to foreign unelected bodies, were very PC and au fait with the inner city intellectuals that comprised their politicians, as well as shipping productive industrial jobs (and thus people's futures) offshore. They just got pwned.

If only they'd stuck to their working classes...

Much soul searching to follow, like in Oz, and probably no change on the mad policies that don't represent their working class.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 3:55pm

"here go the usual swellnet crew... i was following the bbc coverage and its deja vu all over again. "right wing press" "people love our policies we just didnt get it across" cue the swellnet apologistas. maybe, just maybe people really just dont like corbynns marxist policies. closing private schools, taking 10% of all private companies etc etc the array of labor hacks making excuses mirrors the local experience. a great result for the brits! go brexit! another kick in the teeth for the short-lived sanders/corbynn/?shorten "democratic socialist" revolution. yee-ha! (i know triumphalism is pathetic and will come back to bite me but who cares.."

+1

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 4:00pm

Good explanation for Brexit and those that voted for it (and voted Conservative today):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMofYie4Lc

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Blowin commented Friday, 13 Dec 2019 at 4:52pm

Such a shame that the only crew dangling the carrot of sovereignty to nations are conservative parties who will screw the nation sideways whilst accelerating neoliberalist globalism anyway . They just know to pretend to keep a lid on it every now and again ie attacking refugees and announcing immigration reductions which never eventuate .

If only there was a party for the working class that wasn’t enabling neoliberalism and encouraging globalisation.....they’d get elected in US , Australia, New Zealand, Canada , France , UK , Denmark , Germany etc etc etc .....basically everywhere.